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Y&R: New Head Writer Sally Sussman Answers Burning Questions!
Topic Started: Nov 11 2016, 05:37 PM (5,946 Views)
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Nov 11 2016, 09:16 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 09:07 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 09:03 PM

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I'm getting the impression that she hates the doppelganger storyline like we all did and that turned her off completely from the affair. I can admit that the writing was very lacking with Jack being so clueless but the performances by the actors sold it. I don't see why they cannot start over properly.
She said it was ok that they were drawn to each other but it was wrong that they "were in love". Which I don't think was a bad thing because this part of the story was pretty well developed, and, as you said, the actors sold it.
(In other words she would have preferred an affair without real feelings, I guess, and that's what they're trying to degrade Philly into).
Yet she's trying to tell us that she wants to bring emotion and heart break. Isn't that what Philly gave us? :shrug:
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She said it was ok that they were drawn to each other but it was wrong that they "were in love". Which I don't think was a bad thing because this part of the story was pretty well developed, and, as you said, the actors sold it.
(In other words she would have preferred an affair without real feelings, I guess, and that's what they're trying to degrade Philly into).
Yet she's trying to tell us that she wants to bring emotion and heart break. Isn't that what Philly gave us? :shrug:
To us, but, apparently, not to her or Logan (btw most of his questions were so negatively formulated) :shrug: .
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Nov 11 2016, 09:03 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 08:55 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 07:52 PM
The Billy and Phyllis hookup left both characters hugely unsympathetic. There’s no reason to give a damn about either one.

They’re unlikable. I agree 100 percent. That story was done at the expense of both characters. They will not be together anymore.
That ship has sailed. It’s one thing that they were drawn to each other. Phyllis certainly had motive for making emotional decisions.
What Victor did to her was absolutely disgusting. But it was wrong to have them be in love.
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I totally disagree with her statement! Billy & Phyllis were hot together and Gina Tognoni & Jason Thompson have great chemistry.
I think it's a huge mistake to ignore it.
Gina T and Jason T have way more chemistry than Amelie H (Boretoria) and Jason T (Billy)
she will soon realize that AH is a major dud.
She basically said she doesn't watch shows when she is not writing for them. So she probably didn't watch the story or doesn't care about chemistry. She didn't like the idea of Philly. Please, someone explain me (because I wasn't watching back then), how her idea of Phick was better and made the characters more sympathetic lol?
Phick was not necessarily better and certainly didn't make the characters more sympathetic, IMO.
Nick & Sharon(who were married at the time) were grieving Cassie's death and Nick's betrayal and
affair with Phyllis was shocking, to say the least. So for SSM saying it was wrong to have Philly be in
love, makes no sense to me when it was just as wrong for Phick.
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Nov 11 2016, 09:43 PM
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She basically said she doesn't watch shows when she is not writing for them. So she probably didn't watch the story or doesn't care about chemistry. She didn't like the idea of Philly. Please, someone explain me (because I wasn't watching back then), how her idea of Phick was better and made the characters more sympathetic lol?
Phick was not necessarily better and certainly didn't make the characters more sympathetic, IMO.
Nick & Sharon(who were married at the time) were grieving Cassie's death and Nick's betrayal and
affair with Phyllis was shocking, to say the least. So for SSM saying it was wrong to have Philly be in
love makes no sense to me, when it was just as wrong for Phick.
Thanks for the explanation. I completely agree. I've read about it but when you only read you can miss some important aspects.
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Honestly didn't like the interview. I know it's text, but I really didn't care for the tone of the interview and I hate how she flat out said she is simply going to ignore that some things even exist or happened - a good example is her being okay with sitting on the fact that Adam is really the Christian's father. Like, what the heck?? She talks about writers not respecting the history of the shows while freely admitting she hasn't watched the show in years and that she is planning to ignore the facts and write whatever she wants.

Hopefully the actual show plays out better than the way she describes her vision. Not at all sold based on this. She's going to have to prove me wrong. I loved her writing for DAYS and hope I will be able to say the same about her upcoming run on Y&R as well.
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She basically said she doesn't watch shows when she is not writing for them. So she probably didn't watch the story or doesn't care about chemistry. She didn't like the idea of Philly. Please, someone explain me (because I wasn't watching back then), how her idea of Phick was better and made the characters more sympathetic lol?
I'm getting the impression that she hates the doppelganger storyline like we all did and that turned her off completely from the affair. I can admit that the writing was very lacking with Jack being so clueless but the performances by the actors sold it. I don't see why they cannot start over properly.
Yes it could be that she, along with TPTB, want to wipe out any memory of the doppelgänger and Pratt's work.
Or maybe, that this pairing(Philly) was not "her" idea. But as much as I didn't like most of Pratt's storylines, his
Billy & Phyllis's affair was a successful one(his only one!).
But when SSM was on Y&R before, she has to remember that Michelle Stafford was in the role, totally different
from Gina Tognoni. So, she might have to re-assess and re-think about "Philly". Different actors, different acting
style and different chemistry.
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Nov 12 2016, 12:41 AM
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Nov 11 2016, 09:07 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 09:03 PM

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I'm getting the impression that she hates the doppelganger storyline like we all did and that turned her off completely from the affair. I can admit that the writing was very lacking with Jack being so clueless but the performances by the actors sold it. I don't see why they cannot start over properly.
Yes it could be that she, along with TPTB, want to wipe out any memory of the doppelgänger and Pratt's work.
Or maybe, that this pairing(Philly) was not "her" idea. But as much as I didn't like most of Pratt's storylines, his
Billy & Phyllis's affair was a successful one(his only one!).
But when SSM was on Y&R before, she has to remember that Michelle Stafford was in the role, totally different
from Gina Tognoni. So, she might have to re-assess and re-think about "Philly". Different actors, different acting
style and different chemistry.
You're probably right. She could be picturing the past actors and if I did that too, I would agree with her!! It would not have worked and I probably would have been repulsed. It sounded like she hasn't even bothered to watch JT and GT onscreen together. She's just going by what she's seeing on paper. As Justin pointed out, she said she quit watching the show ages ago lol. If she did, she would see that AH has chemistry with no one least of all JT. He had more chemistry with those day players than her.
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Well. I'm excited. I'm not the type of person who gets hung up on a particular couple and let it dictate whether I watch or not, so I don't really give a crap about Philly no longer being a thing. The actors had chemistry, sure but they were far from super couple material. I just want interesting storyline for my favourite characters. It has to be real and the romances have to stop being so damn quick. The way people fall in love on this show happens in the span of like 2 weeks, it's just ridiculous. SSM says she sees these problems and she is going to fix them so I have faith in her. I watched her writing before, and everyone knows I hated and still hate Phick but that storyline was HUGE. She has written some great stuff.
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3WishGenie
Nov 11 2016, 07:39 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 07:21 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 07:06 PM
Wow I am kind of 50/50 with this interview. I am thrilled about what's coming for Sharon and Shick!! Exactly what I have wanted for years.

However, the rest of it is rather iffy. The Newman/Abbott hour? Like that has really skyrocketed the ratings lately. No mention of the younger set instead lots of talk of the above 40 crowd. There is no wow couple that jumps off the screen currently? That was Billy & Phyllis imo. But apparently that is repulsive to her when she's the one who introduced Phick to us. Let's just go back to boring bland Villy SMDH. I guess I'll wait and see how this pans out.
She talked about putting Sharon with someone else other than Nick, don't buy that Bridesmaid dress yet. lol
Some one new doesn't mean a pairing. Just before that, she said she has plans for Shick. Might be that she will finally find out who her father is. I would love that.
" putting Sharon with someone else other than Nick,"
That intimates more than just a friend, they wouldn't have said, "other than Nick" if it was going to be just a friend.
Her plans for shick might mean they're done for the foreseeable future.
I can't see Nick getting past her deception once again. Not anytime soon anyway.
I'd like to know who her dad is too, no doubt it's someone who lives in GC! :tounge:
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HollyGolightly
Nov 11 2016, 09:43 PM
thepadange
Nov 11 2016, 09:03 PM
metitle
Nov 11 2016, 08:55 PM

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She basically said she doesn't watch shows when she is not writing for them. So she probably didn't watch the story or doesn't care about chemistry. She didn't like the idea of Philly. Please, someone explain me (because I wasn't watching back then), how her idea of Phick was better and made the characters more sympathetic lol?
Phick was not necessarily better and certainly didn't make the characters more sympathetic, IMO.
Nick & Sharon(who were married at the time) were grieving Cassie's death and Nick's betrayal and
affair with Phyllis was shocking, to say the least. So for SSM saying it was wrong to have Philly be in
love, makes no sense to me when it was just as wrong for Phick.
And Phyliss wasn't sharon's sister.
That was the part that really pissed me off, your husband's brother? Really?
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Nov 12 2016, 11:04 AM
HollyGolightly
Nov 11 2016, 09:43 PM
thepadange
Nov 11 2016, 09:03 PM

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Phick was not necessarily better and certainly didn't make the characters more sympathetic, IMO.
Nick & Sharon(who were married at the time) were grieving Cassie's death and Nick's betrayal and
affair with Phyllis was shocking, to say the least. So for SSM saying it was wrong to have Philly be in
love, makes no sense to me when it was just as wrong for Phick.
And Phyliss wasn't sharon's sister.
That was the part that really pissed me off, your husband's brother? Really?
It's so soapy :D . Great drama!
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Nov 11 2016, 06:28 PM
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What other problems need to be addressed?
I do believe it was a mistake to make Devon Katherine’s grandson and leave him with $2 billion. It has left him without drive, without a goal. What does he want? What does he strive for? I don’t think those questions were ever asked, so we need to fix that.
here is an other crapfest which basically have me lost interest in the new regime.
WTF...............no one believe 40-Watt should have inherited Kay's money.
Including the new regime. "I do believe it was a mistake to make Devon Katherine’s grandson"

I'm not getting the argument here.
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Nov 11 2016, 06:59 PM
If I go to a dentist and she/he starts talking crap about my previous dentists' work, I never go there again.
You're on a board where everyone talks crap about the previous dentist and you keep coming back.
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Nov 12 2016, 11:04 AM
HollyGolightly
Nov 11 2016, 09:43 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 09:03 PM

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Phick was not necessarily better and certainly didn't make the characters more sympathetic, IMO.
Nick & Sharon(who were married at the time) were grieving Cassie's death and Nick's betrayal and
affair with Phyllis was shocking, to say the least. So for SSM saying it was wrong to have Philly be in
love, makes no sense to me when it was just as wrong for Phick.
And Phyliss wasn't sharon's sister.
That was the part that really pissed me off, your husband's brother? Really?
Well, Billy is as much to blame for sleeping with his brother's wife. But then, Jack did the same thing to his own father,
years ago...sometimes karma is a bitch!
Anyhow, I'm not trying to defend or excuse their actions...but I find that "Philly" has much better chemistry than "Phack" or "Villy".
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There is literally so much here in that interview which she calls out as wrong that are what drove me away from the US soaps and into the UK ones. Those soaps are still thriving because they hire people with vision (usually it's good) and protect their brands.


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Well, for years there has been a template that must go away: Two characters meet. The first week they kiss. By the second week they’re in bed. And by week six one of them has turned crazy and become a stalker and then goes off to the crazy house.


Yes! And interchange crazy/stalker with rush to the aisle and third party. It's all the same rehashed shit at a far too accelerated pace. Literally everyone on the US soaps are getting married within 13 weeks these days. There's no build, there's no drama, there's no letting characters and couples become huge because it's all a hatchet rush job.



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That’s where daytime has missed the boat. It has failed to make the shows cultish and contemporary. Now Brad Bell certainly makes The Bold and the Beautiful contemporary. But the others have gone completely the opposite—it feels like you’re watching the 1980s again. That’s why people don’t talk about soaps much anymore, certainly not in the mainstream conversation. I have issue stories I want to tell,


Which I've been arguing for years on this board. So if she can actually deliver it then I'm back on board. Days, GH, B&B (I get not wanting to piss the other side of the studio off though, bless her :lol: ) are all stuck in the 80s and 90s. It's 2016, lets tell some new stories FFS.
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Nov 11 2016, 07:47 PM
There are parts I liked about the interview, and there were parts of the interview that made me go "f*ck me". For instance, more fuckin' Victoria? She's the core of Y&R? Puhlzee!
She only worked with the current one for about a year, pretty sure in her head when she's talking about Victoria being a tent pole Y&R character she has Heather Tom's face in her head.

Maybe they could do something about that since they don't seem to be using her much over on B&B ...
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I also think it would be a mistake for SSM to completely ignore major storylines of the previous regimes. You don't have to go in their direction, but you should address it. Most viewers don't know about the writing regime change, therefore, they will be confused about the sudden change in storyline.

Also, I am glad Chelsea was not listed as a core character! I like MCE and Chelsea is okay, but the obsession that Pratt has with this character is mind boggling.

I also with SSM agree that art/Nazi storyline with Victoria sucked.
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Nov 12 2016, 06:31 PM
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Nov 11 2016, 06:28 PM
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What other problems need to be addressed?
I do believe it was a mistake to make Devon Katherine’s grandson and leave him with $2 billion. It has left him without drive, without a goal. What does he want? What does he strive for? I don’t think those questions were ever asked, so we need to fix that.
here is an other crapfest which basically have me lost interest in the new regime.
WTF...............no one believe 40-Watt should have inherited Kay's money.
Including the new regime. "I do believe it was a mistake to make Devon Katherine’s grandson"

I'm not getting the argument here.
That whole SL was ridiculous, first Katherine had given birth to a girl, so that ends up being Jill, then along comes whatever his name was, and now HE'S the SON and Jill is out? Then somehow he has an illegitimate son by a groupie? Turns into a nice kid, but $2 Billion!!?? WHAAAAAAT?
Jill should have gotten a boatload of money, instead she gets 1/2 of a house and share it with her not so best friend, ESTHER!
Katherine could have given Devon 1/4 of that, and how about Katherine's other grandchild, MAC, did she or Brock get anything, I really don't remember.
Katherine being so business savvy would have, okay, I would have, lol put a billion or so into investments to go in trust for any more future grandchildren. Devon is going to blow it all and then it's gone. JMO
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Its such a slap in the face to Jill fans for Devon (a nobody) to receive all of Katherine's wealth. It made no sense. I'm glad SSM is going to fix this.
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Most of the disappointment I've seen in regards to this interview (on other boards as well as this one) are mostly Chelsea and Philly stans and no offence to them but we need a writer who's not going to cater to that bullshit anymore. It's just not how a soap should be written. Catering to those annoying fans are the very reason we've been stuck with fucking Lane for almost 10 years.
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