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Y&R: New Head Writer Sally Sussman Answers Burning Questions!
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I don't think SSM is new to reading message boards. Fans used to complain about Bill Bell's writing and the state of the show. Isn't the tone more "harsh" these days than it was back then?
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I don't think SSM is new to reading message boards. Fans used to complain about Bill Bell's writing and the state of the show.
Isn't the tone more "harsh" these days than it was back then? Just from my observation no. There used to be more message boards and more talk of soaps in general.
Sony used to have their YR board. CBS had their message boards. Now it's Facebook and Twitter and even though YR is the #1 soap. It's social media rankings are not #1. (Could be wrong it's been awhile).
Even the comment section on the tv insider is tame, imo.
I don't know if her ideas will work. That remains to be seen. I understand being upset at her comments.
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To thepadange, continuing our conversation from the Days social media thread.
I agree with you about the biased way Michael Logan was asking the questions. For instance, he didn't ask what was going to happen to the Billy & Phyllis relationship. He flat out said and I quote: "The Billy & Phyllis hookup left both characters highly unsympathetic. There's no reason to give a damn about either one", end of quote. Maybe it was purposely done to see/hear reactions from the viewers, I don't know...
Anyhow, this is SSM's first interview and I don't think that everything she said is necessarily set in stone. I also do not believe that she's the only one making the decisions(story-wise). If you recall awhile back, Angelica McDaniel(Head of CBS Daytime) sent a tweet(can't find it now) with a picture entitled "new writers first meeting". Sitting at that table were SSM, Kay Alden, Mal Young, Steve Kent(from Sony) and Angelica(CBS). Their top priority for now, is probably to restore some of the damage that was done to the show and give it back its original family feel and character-driven storylines and I'm OK with that. Maybe some of them even like the"Philly" dynamic, but it was put on hold for now...who knows? They'll probably have to re-adjust as they go along. I'm willing to give them that time.
Oh, I don't think, everything is set in stone. It never is. If I thought it was I wouldn't bother to tweet them lol. What bothers me right now is that they're trying to ignore a very important part of the story onscreen and I feel like they want to insult my inteligence, and I don't like it LOL. Even if Philly will be back down the road I still feel like they're destroying my favorite storyline. And for what - to show Phyllis using blackmail to be in Jack's orbit :shrug: . Not worth it. Not to insult your intelligence, but Phyllis using blackmail to be in Jack's orbit is STILL a Pratt's storyline. And yes, they might be destroying YOUR favorite storyline, but it's not necessarily everyone's favorite...
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^Exactly. Pratt is the one who has pulled the plug on Philly for whatever reason. He always does this shit! He's infamous for building a story all the way up and then chickening out at the last minute. Thats why I've hated this guy from the start. Nothing ever evolves, and yet he manages to do so much damage to so many characters... at least MAB allowed things to change on the show and the storylines had SOME kind of pay off. I literally think Pratt may have been the worst writer yet.
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Nov 14 2016, 11:45 PM
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Maybe I'm just super jaded by writer regime changes, but I read interviews like this and all I think is: "eh, we'll see."
She does talk a big game, though. I'm interested to see if she delivers, but I think it'll be hard to pull off a binge-watch worthy show with the cast that the show has now. I guess time will tell.
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Nov 15 2016, 02:34 AM
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To thepadange, continuing our conversation from the Days social media thread.
I agree with you about the biased way Michael Logan was asking the questions. For instance, he didn't ask what was going to happen to the Billy & Phyllis relationship. He flat out said and I quote: "The Billy & Phyllis hookup left both characters highly unsympathetic. There's no reason to give a damn about either one", end of quote. Maybe it was purposely done to see/hear reactions from the viewers, I don't know...
Anyhow, this is SSM's first interview and I don't think that everything she said is necessarily set in stone. I also do not believe that she's the only one making the decisions(story-wise). If you recall awhile back, Angelica McDaniel(Head of CBS Daytime) sent a tweet(can't find it now) with a picture entitled "new writers first meeting". Sitting at that table were SSM, Kay Alden, Mal Young, Steve Kent(from Sony) and Angelica(CBS). Their top priority for now, is probably to restore some of the damage that was done to the show and give it back its original family feel and character-driven storylines and I'm OK with that. Maybe some of them even like the"Philly" dynamic, but it was put on hold for now...who knows? They'll probably have to re-adjust as they go along. I'm willing to give them that time.
Oh, I don't think, everything is set in stone. It never is. If I thought it was I wouldn't bother to tweet them lol. What bothers me right now is that they're trying to ignore a very important part of the story onscreen and I feel like they want to insult my inteligence, and I don't like it LOL. Even if Philly will be back down the road I still feel like they're destroying my favorite storyline. And for what - to show Phyllis using blackmail to be in Jack's orbit :shrug: . Not worth it.
Not to insult your intelligence, but Phyllis using blackmail to be in Jack's orbit is STILL a Pratt's storyline. And yes, they might be destroying YOUR favorite storyline, but it's not necessarily everyone's favorite... I'm a little bit confused. Did I say or imply somewhere that it is everyone's favorite storyline or should be everyone's for that matter? For all I care I could be the only one who likes it and still be able to express my thoughts. I'm just stating my own opinion, like always. All of our posts are our opinions. Should I start every sentence with "I think"/"IMO"?
I know that Pratt is still writing the show. But as we know and you said it in your earlier post CBS, Sony, EP are involved too. So I am not sure Pratt is the only one to blame or even the one to blame for this particular change in direction. I tend to put at least some blame lol on the new regime. Why? Because of their statements. MY and his "writing is on the wall" tweet, now SS and her "it was wrong to have them be in love". This makes me feel that they were the ones responsible for it. (I know all of this was and is happening before the HW change but how can I be sure they (I mean Sony, CBS, SS, MY) didn't have meetings to share their visions before SS signed a contract? I think it's a normal practice. And this might have been what changed the storyline direction. And just to be clear, it's just my opinion.
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I loved the interview. I think many people are either not fans prior to LML starting the destruction of Y&R or have gotten so used to how bad the show is that mediocrity is okay.
I love that she was so bold and direct and not lying to viewers as many new writers or producers do. She is laying out a clear vision for the show and is confident enough in her work to say Logan could contact her in January, after only a few weeks of airtime to speak on the transformation of the show. I like that. Usually they play out the old regimes stories for months and the show just chugs along and once they start their own stuff it sucks. At least with her we know what we're getting and can judge from there.
She didn't mention every character, but she hit good marks. The core she listed IS a strong core that needs to be focused on. I've hated Amelia Heinle as Victoria, but I'm willing to give her a shot with better writing. I like that she mentioned repairing Heather. I like that she mentioned the show needs more leading men. I like that she mentioned actually chemistry testing various characters like Hilary, Nick and Billy to find that next big supercouple. Not mentioned here, but Mal Young and Camryn Grimes have said she has a huge new story which is good because they need to rebuild the younger characters.
I look forward to the show being character driven again and potentially good and written like Y&R should be. If Philly is your main concern you need to tune out. The show is so bad that I'm not concerned with any one character or couple, I want Bill Bell's show to simply be GOOD again. Before you could break Victor and Nikki up for ten years and give them multiple successful pairings. Life will go on even if flash in the pan Philly isn't a main focus. Adam has been recast twice in five years AND been killed off twice. Resting him (and therefore the Christian secret) isn't ignoring history, but makes perfect sense. Mind boggling anyone would complain about that. There is no story momentum built by doing yet another back from the dead or paternity story overnight. Think of how much good story you got out of waiting to learn Lily was Malcolm's daughter.
Another exciting thing for me is who might possibly come back. She knows the history well enough to bring characters back and utilize them properly. I also feel like she understands the purpose of a new character and will bring on people that the show actually needs and who will work well with the characters we actually care about. So often and especially with Pratt you have such plot driven reasons to bring new characters on.
I'm trying to get through these last weeks and just looking forward to her debut. The show couldn't be worse than it is now and I'm ready for the stories to have some momentum
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Nov 16 2016, 09:37 AM
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If Philly is your main concern you need to tune out.
Oh, I don't think I need to tune out (nor do I need anyone telling me what I need to do). Not yet. After the reaction to the interview that I've seen on social media I think it's 65/35, they'll revisit Philly. We'll just have to wait for 3-6 months (because it takes time till ideas make it to the script and air) and see.
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I think we'll see the first signs of how the new vision works around March-April. Holidays is a very specific period, family stuff etc., you can't deduce much.
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I loved the interview. I think many people are either not fans prior to LML starting the destruction of Y&R or have gotten so used to how bad the show is that mediocrity is okay.
I love that she was so bold and direct and not lying to viewers as many new writers or producers do. She is laying out a clear vision for the show and is confident enough in her work to say Logan could contact her in January, after only a few weeks of airtime to speak on the transformation of the show. I like that. Usually they play out the old regimes stories for months and the show just chugs along and once they start their own stuff it sucks. At least with her we know what we're getting and can judge from there.
She didn't mention every character, but she hit good marks. The core she listed IS a strong core that needs to be focused on. I've hated Amelia Heinle as Victoria, but I'm willing to give her a shot with better writing. I like that she mentioned repairing Heather. I like that she mentioned the show needs more leading men. I like that she mentioned actually chemistry testing various characters like Hilary, Nick and Billy to find that next big supercouple. Not mentioned here, but Mal Young and Camryn Grimes have said she has a huge new story which is good because they need to rebuild the younger characters.
I look forward to the show being character driven again and potentially good and written like Y&R should be. If Philly is your main concern you need to tune out. The show is so bad that I'm not concerned with any one character or couple, I want Bill Bell's show to simply be GOOD again. Before you could break Victor and Nikki up for ten years and give them multiple successful pairings. Life will go on even if flash in the pan Philly isn't a main focus. Adam has been recast twice in five years AND been killed off twice. Resting him (and therefore the Christian secret) isn't ignoring history, but makes perfect sense. Mind boggling anyone would complain about that. There is no story momentum built by doing yet another back from the dead or paternity story overnight. Think of how much good story you got out of waiting to learn Lily was Malcolm's daughter.
Another exciting thing for me is who might possibly come back. She knows the history well enough to bring characters back and utilize them properly. I also feel like she understands the purpose of a new character and will bring on people that the show actually needs and who will work well with the characters we actually care about. So often and especially with Pratt you have such plot driven reasons to bring new characters on.
I'm trying to get through these last weeks and just looking forward to her debut. The show couldn't be worse than it is now and I'm ready for the stories to have some momentum I couldn't agree more!!
Most of the complaints I see are about Philly, Adam not coming back and Christian staying Nick's kid. I'm thinking to myself "really?!" After all the great things she addressed that people have complained about this show for YEARS, people are going to focus on SSM not wanting to continue Pratts shitty stories? I just feel like there is so much better things to look forward to. Unless you just started watching Y&R like last year then maybe I could understand the frustration but long time viewers have wanted this for awhile now.
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I loved the interview. I think many people are either not fans prior to LML starting the destruction of Y&R or have gotten so used to how bad the show is that mediocrity is okay.
I love that she was so bold and direct and not lying to viewers as many new writers or producers do. She is laying out a clear vision for the show and is confident enough in her work to say Logan could contact her in January, after only a few weeks of airtime to speak on the transformation of the show. I like that. Usually they play out the old regimes stories for months and the show just chugs along and once they start their own stuff it sucks. At least with her we know what we're getting and can judge from there.
She didn't mention every character, but she hit good marks. The core she listed IS a strong core that needs to be focused on. I've hated Amelia Heinle as Victoria, but I'm willing to give her a shot with better writing. I like that she mentioned repairing Heather. I like that she mentioned the show needs more leading men. I like that she mentioned actually chemistry testing various characters like Hilary, Nick and Billy to find that next big supercouple. Not mentioned here, but Mal Young and Camryn Grimes have said she has a huge new story which is good because they need to rebuild the younger characters.
I look forward to the show being character driven again and potentially good and written like Y&R should be. If Philly is your main concern you need to tune out. The show is so bad that I'm not concerned with any one character or couple, I want Bill Bell's show to simply be GOOD again. Before you could break Victor and Nikki up for ten years and give them multiple successful pairings. Life will go on even if flash in the pan Philly isn't a main focus. Adam has been recast twice in five years AND been killed off twice. Resting him (and therefore the Christian secret) isn't ignoring history, but makes perfect sense. Mind boggling anyone would complain about that. There is no story momentum built by doing yet another back from the dead or paternity story overnight. Think of how much good story you got out of waiting to learn Lily was Malcolm's daughter.
Another exciting thing for me is who might possibly come back. She knows the history well enough to bring characters back and utilize them properly. I also feel like she understands the purpose of a new character and will bring on people that the show actually needs and who will work well with the characters we actually care about. So often and especially with Pratt you have such plot driven reasons to bring new characters on.
I'm trying to get through these last weeks and just looking forward to her debut. The show couldn't be worse than it is now and I'm ready for the stories to have some momentum
I couldn't agree more!! Most of the complaints I see are about Philly, Adam not coming back and Christian staying Nick's kid. I'm thinking to myself "really?!" After all the great things she addressed that people have complained about this show for YEARS, people are going to focus on SSM not wanting to continue Pratts shitty stories? I just feel like there is so much better things to look forward to. Unless you just started watching Y&R like last year then maybe I could understand the frustration but long time viewers have wanted this for awhile now. those are the stories that have been the forefront right now and some people would like to see them tied up.
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I loved the interview. I think many people are either not fans prior to LML starting the destruction of Y&R or have gotten so used to how bad the show is that mediocrity is okay.
I love that she was so bold and direct and not lying to viewers as many new writers or producers do. She is laying out a clear vision for the show and is confident enough in her work to say Logan could contact her in January, after only a few weeks of airtime to speak on the transformation of the show. I like that. Usually they play out the old regimes stories for months and the show just chugs along and once they start their own stuff it sucks. At least with her we know what we're getting and can judge from there.
She didn't mention every character, but she hit good marks. The core she listed IS a strong core that needs to be focused on. I've hated Amelia Heinle as Victoria, but I'm willing to give her a shot with better writing. I like that she mentioned repairing Heather. I like that she mentioned the show needs more leading men. I like that she mentioned actually chemistry testing various characters like Hilary, Nick and Billy to find that next big supercouple. Not mentioned here, but Mal Young and Camryn Grimes have said she has a huge new story which is good because they need to rebuild the younger characters.
I look forward to the show being character driven again and potentially good and written like Y&R should be. If Philly is your main concern you need to tune out. The show is so bad that I'm not concerned with any one character or couple, I want Bill Bell's show to simply be GOOD again. Before you could break Victor and Nikki up for ten years and give them multiple successful pairings. Life will go on even if flash in the pan Philly isn't a main focus. Adam has been recast twice in five years AND been killed off twice. Resting him (and therefore the Christian secret) isn't ignoring history, but makes perfect sense. Mind boggling anyone would complain about that. There is no story momentum built by doing yet another back from the dead or paternity story overnight. Think of how much good story you got out of waiting to learn Lily was Malcolm's daughter.
Another exciting thing for me is who might possibly come back. She knows the history well enough to bring characters back and utilize them properly. I also feel like she understands the purpose of a new character and will bring on people that the show actually needs and who will work well with the characters we actually care about. So often and especially with Pratt you have such plot driven reasons to bring new characters on.
I'm trying to get through these last weeks and just looking forward to her debut. The show couldn't be worse than it is now and I'm ready for the stories to have some momentum
I couldn't agree more!! Most of the complaints I see are about Philly, Adam not coming back and Christian staying Nick's kid. I'm thinking to myself "really?!" After all the great things she addressed that people have complained about this show for YEARS, people are going to focus on SSM not wanting to continue Pratts shitty stories? I just feel like there is so much better things to look forward to. Unless you just started watching Y&R like last year then maybe I could understand the frustration but long time viewers have wanted this for awhile now. The biggest problem of this interview was it's tone. You don't make fun of your own show or trash it publicly. It sounds arrogant, especially, as her material hasn't started airing yet. You can talk about your plans without saying how horrible were things other writers did (We may agree with her on that, but that's not the point), she is still talking about the same show she is now the headwriter and EP of. It's highly unprofessional. Write your show, skyrocket the ratings, and everyone will see that you are better than these other writers.
What fans' reaction to her Adam or Philly statements means, is actually that fans love and are protective of this show (storylines) more than TPTB are. It's such a paradox when viewers have to say the show "dear show, this character is needed, or we liked this couple, you did something right", and the show says "that was all bad now we'll destroy it and slowly create something new because new is always better than anything that the other writers did" LOL. It's like: the client "I want a x... soup I ate yesterday", the waiter: "Oh no, we've decided that soup was disgusting, we don't serve it anymore but we have classic sandwiches", the client: "I liked the soup, I want it :'( . Give me the soup!!!!!".
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And these statements:
And I’m the kind of person who, when I leave a show, it’s over for me. I never watch again.
Yes, there are certain plot developments I must take into account, but for the most part I am not influenced by what’s happened in recent years. I am definitely ignoring certain things that just seem absurd to me.
And what was this? I’d like to stay away from it because the problem with that is that Victor always wins.
as if it's someone else not the headwriter decides who wins :shrug:
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And these statements: And I’m the kind of person who, when I leave a show, it’s over for me. I never watch again.Yes, there are certain plot developments I must take into account, but for the most part I am not influenced by what’s happened in recent years. I am definitely ignoring certain things that just seem absurd to me.And what was this? I’d like to stay away from it because the problem with that is that Victor always wins.
as if it's someone else not the headwriter decides who wins :shrug: Who do you think it is that decides that? It's not EB, although that is a favorite rumor the haters like to sling around. Both he and previous writers have debunked that. Since his winning started way back with Bill Bell, I'm guessing he decided Victor would always win.
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I loved the interview. I think many people are either not fans prior to LML starting the destruction of Y&R or have gotten so used to how bad the show is that mediocrity is okay.
I love that she was so bold and direct and not lying to viewers as many new writers or producers do. She is laying out a clear vision for the show and is confident enough in her work to say Logan could contact her in January, after only a few weeks of airtime to speak on the transformation of the show. I like that. Usually they play out the old regimes stories for months and the show just chugs along and once they start their own stuff it sucks. At least with her we know what we're getting and can judge from there.
She didn't mention every character, but she hit good marks. The core she listed IS a strong core that needs to be focused on. I've hated Amelia Heinle as Victoria, but I'm willing to give her a shot with better writing. I like that she mentioned repairing Heather. I like that she mentioned the show needs more leading men. I like that she mentioned actually chemistry testing various characters like Hilary, Nick and Billy to find that next big supercouple. Not mentioned here, but Mal Young and Camryn Grimes have said she has a huge new story which is good because they need to rebuild the younger characters.
I look forward to the show being character driven again and potentially good and written like Y&R should be. If Philly is your main concern you need to tune out. The show is so bad that I'm not concerned with any one character or couple, I want Bill Bell's show to simply be GOOD again. Before you could break Victor and Nikki up for ten years and give them multiple successful pairings. Life will go on even if flash in the pan Philly isn't a main focus. Adam has been recast twice in five years AND been killed off twice. Resting him (and therefore the Christian secret) isn't ignoring history, but makes perfect sense. Mind boggling anyone would complain about that. There is no story momentum built by doing yet another back from the dead or paternity story overnight. Think of how much good story you got out of waiting to learn Lily was Malcolm's daughter.
Another exciting thing for me is who might possibly come back. She knows the history well enough to bring characters back and utilize them properly. I also feel like she understands the purpose of a new character and will bring on people that the show actually needs and who will work well with the characters we actually care about. So often and especially with Pratt you have such plot driven reasons to bring new characters on.
I'm trying to get through these last weeks and just looking forward to her debut. The show couldn't be worse than it is now and I'm ready for the stories to have some momentum
I couldn't agree more!! Most of the complaints I see are about Philly, Adam not coming back and Christian staying Nick's kid. I'm thinking to myself "really?!" After all the great things she addressed that people have complained about this show for YEARS, people are going to focus on SSM not wanting to continue Pratts shitty stories? I just feel like there is so much better things to look forward to. Unless you just started watching Y&R like last year then maybe I could understand the frustration but long time viewers have wanted this for awhile now.
The biggest problem of this interview was it's tone. You don't make fun of your own show or trash it publicly. It sounds arrogant, especially, as her material hasn't started airing yet. You can talk about your plans without saying how horrible were things other writers did (We may agree with her on that, but that's not the point), she is still talking about the same show she is now the headwriter and EP of. It's highly unprofessional. Write your show, skyrocket the ratings, and everyone will see that you are better than these other writers. What fans' reaction to her Adam or Philly statements means, is actually that fans love and are protective of this show (storylines) more than TPTB are. It's such a paradox when viewers have to say the show "dear show, this character is needed, or we liked this couple, you did something right", and the show says "that was all bad now we'll destroy it and slowly create something new because new is always better than anything that the other writers did" LOL. It's like: the client "I want a x... soup I ate yesterday", the waiter: "Oh no, we've decided that soup was disgusting, we don't serve it anymore but we have classic sandwiches", the client: "I liked the soup, I want it :'( . Give me the soup!!!!!". I disagree. IMO someone needed to admit it. Someone needed to admit that Y&R is absolute shit and had been for many years. I don't know about you but I get pretty sick and tired of those interview with Chuck Pratt and MAB bragging about how great the stories are going to be and then we get...this.. I'm glad someone at Y&R has stepped up and addressed the real issues. FINALLY.
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Nov 16 2016, 02:31 PM
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- Nov 16 2016, 01:28 PM
And these statements: And I’m the kind of person who, when I leave a show, it’s over for me. I never watch again.Yes, there are certain plot developments I must take into account, but for the most part I am not influenced by what’s happened in recent years. I am definitely ignoring certain things that just seem absurd to me.And what was this? I’d like to stay away from it because the problem with that is that Victor always wins.
as if it's someone else not the headwriter decides who wins :shrug: And I agree with all those statements and am happy she said them..
Also, are you not aware that EB has it in his contract that Victor always wins? It's something we've known for a long time. That's why SSM is saying she wants to stay away from it.
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thepadange
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Nov 16 2016, 02:37 PM
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Yeah, I know the rumor :biggrin: . Would be the weirdest thing ever in an actor's contract.
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Nov 17 2016, 06:27 PM
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The "Victor never loses" thing is standard once you become successful. On Knots Landing they weren't allowed to bring Lucy on because Joan Van Ark didn't want to have her charscter aged by having such an old child. None of Karen's kids could have kids because it would make Karen a grandma. Melody Thomas Scott had a clause she couldn't be called grandma, which she finally admitted she got rid of a couple of years ago. Eileen Fulton had something similar where she couldn't become a grandma. This is very common.
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Nov 17 2016, 06:34 PM
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How come PB didn't get a similar clause lol? I would be angry lol.
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Nov 17 2016, 06:59 PM
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- Nov 17 2016, 06:34 PM
How come PB didn't get a similar clause lol? I would be angry lol. I wonder what they will do with him now. He's spent so long chasing Victor, do we go back to kumbaya Jack of the last 2 yrs? One of many characters that need direction.
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