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Y&R: New Head Writer Sally Sussman Answers Burning Questions!
Topic Started: Nov 11 2016, 05:37 PM (5,941 Views)
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I don't think Dena Higley would make it through the door at Y&R. I hope.

It also truly pains me to type this, but... I think Pratt was the better overall HW. Sally has been a serious disappointment for me. The show feels directionless and pointless, a lot of the time now. There are occasional bright spots, but they're buried under mounds of boring bullshit.

The show has got to get better with cast balance and executing a variety of A/B/C storylines that last longer than 2 weeks. Otherwise, the ratings will stay low.
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Queen B
May 13 2017, 10:37 PM
Yeah I'm willing to admit I was wrong for putting so much faith into SS back then. I really thought she had what it takes based on her previous work in 2005 and beyond because I thought some of those ideas were GREAT but this time around her ideas have fallen flat. I think Kay Alden should be head writer with her.
Yea, same. I thought a lot of people were being too harsh on her in the first 2 months but they were right. SSM failed to deliver what she promised. Instead of Y&R becoming "must see tv" again it became more like "well, it's on. Might as well watch it" tv. She wanted to breathe life back into the show but ended up draining 90% of it away.

Pratt was a mess but at least his work was watchable most of the time. I really need SSM to go into overdrive and fix her pacing and her stories.
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I don't know if I'd go as far as to say that Pratt was better though. I still think SS is a better writer. She just didn't deliver on the level I was hoping or expecting.
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If you go by ratings (and they are not the perfect metric), Sally is worse. Literally, a few months after she took over, they dropped to all time lows. And this ratings decline has been a long-term trend with her. I just have a hard time accepting the argument Sally was a better writer than Pratt when almost all the indicators suggest otherwise.
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Also, Sally is stuck in the past and that not good. It's like she hasn't realized Y&R and soaps have changed in 20 years. For instance, this amazingly fucking slow pace may have worked in the 90's, but it doesn't work well in contemporary TV.

Also, this might be an unpopular opinion, but Dina won't help the ratings. She was on Y&R over 30 years ago. No one cares (and I'm using "no one" as a figure of speech). Sally needs to enter the 21st century and not ignore the changes that's occurred on Y&R. Also, it f Sally wanted Dina back, why didn't she do it like Patty's return (not necessarily crazy but more dramatic).
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under Chuckie, we didn't see AH/Boretoria everyday.
mind you, we did get a lot of Victurd, but in my opinion the airtime was still less than what AH/Boretoria is getting since December 7th. This character is trending at 75% to 80% airtime per month.
we had our complaints for example, the Plant (Sage), the Prattrosphe.....(i.e. silly plane crash, Jack's doppelganger, ridiculous Halloween fire, etc.), but Chuckie managed to hold onto the audience.
under Sussman, the bore-meter trended extremely high.
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LPS
May 14 2017, 07:03 PM
Also, Sally is stuck in the past and that not good. It's like she hasn't realized Y&R and soaps have changed in 20 years. For instance, this amazingly fucking slow pace may have worked in the 90's, but it doesn't work well in contemporary TV.
and when its not slow......the storyline starts and ends within 2-3 weeks. Those storylines hold no interest because they have no depth

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May 14 2017, 07:03 PM
Also, this might be an unpopular opinion, but Dina won't help the ratings. She was on Y&R over 30 years ago. No one cares (and I'm using "no one" as a figure of speech). Sally needs to enter the 21st century and not ignore the changes that's occurred on Y&R. Also, it f Sally wanted Dina back, why didn't she do it like Patty's return (not necessarily crazy but more dramatic).
you are not the only one who doesn't know that Dina wont do much for ratings.
Sally hasn't presented any balance at all in her storyline presentations.
Her main directions seems only to focus on the Newmans (especially Boretoria) while every other characters are basically supporting characters.

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You all are so interesting.

I love Sally Sussman's writing. Most of you disagree with me and that's fine.

But I still think the show is a thousand percent better than it was under Pratt.

I can't stand Cane's whining. And I can't stand Juliet.
And I dislike the past week (starting May 12, 2017) of Victoria plotting to get Billy.

But otherwise i *LOVE* the show.

I do NOT want SSM fired, I want her to continue!
Edited by nananana7, May 14 2017, 07:19 PM.
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May 14 2017, 12:22 PM
Pratt made a complete mess of some his storylines but at least he HAD storylines. I thought the show was relatively focused during his run and often rather compelling. He's definitely more plot driven and goes for shock a lot of the time, but at least the show was overall more entertaining and watchable during his run. At least it was for me. I have to FF thru SO much of Sussman's work.

I don't want him back, though. He ran out of steam during the last part of his run. I don't want Sussman to continue. I don't want another hack like Dena Higley or Josh Griffith to come on. My vote would be for Gary Tomlin. I know many probably consider him a hack as well, but I thought his work on DAYS the last time around was great.


NO NO NO to Tomlin!

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I don't want SSM fired either. I just want her to do better or at least get a co-writer.

Tomlin, and Whitesell for that matter, should never be allowed near Y&R. They weren't as good on Days as some like to remember. They had two really good storylines (Kristen/Nick) that were carried by two great actors (ED and Blake Berris) but even then the plotting, pacing and character dynamics were a mess. And in between those stories and after, there was just a long period of disjointed boring crap no one wanted to see. Much like how Y&R is now. So I'll take a hard pass on Tomlin becoming HW.
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I would be down with firing Sally. Some of her mistakes are just too stupid for words and were completely avoidable. This is a big one for me, but shoving Victoria down the viewers' throats is absurd. How could she not see that the amount of airtime Amelia has received is over the top? Also, why did she choose to do the Bella reveal that poorly? These were mistakes easy to side step, IMO.
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May 14 2017, 10:38 PM
I would be down with firing Sally. Some of her mistakes are just too stupid for words and were completely avoidable. This is a big one for me, but shoving Victoria down the viewers' throats is absurd. How could she not see that the amount of airtime Amelia has received is over the top? Also, why did she choose to do the Bella reveal that poorly? These were mistakes easy to side step, IMO.
I agree.....giving AH/Boretoria 75-80% airtime per month is rather upsetting.

Moreover instead of giving AH/Boretoria all that airtime, she could have some semblance of balance and work up to the Bella/Adam/Chloe reveal.
but no, she preferred not to interrupt AH airtime for other characters.

I for one would celebrate if she is fired.

Edited by metitle, May 15 2017, 12:58 PM.
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LPS
May 14 2017, 07:03 PM
Also, Sally is stuck in the past and that not good. It's like she hasn't realized Y&R and soaps have changed in 20 years. For instance, this amazingly fucking slow pace may have worked in the 90's, but it doesn't work well in contemporary TV.

Also, this might be an unpopular opinion, but Dina won't help the ratings. She was on Y&R over 30 years ago. No one cares (and I'm using "no one" as a figure of speech). Sally needs to enter the 21st century and not ignore the changes that's occurred on Y&R. Also, it f Sally wanted Dina back, why didn't she do it like Patty's return (not necessarily crazy but more dramatic).
You say she's stuck in the past, but when a writer ignores past history, people are all , oh, they're ignoring the history. :shrug:
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All I know is before SSM returned, I hadn't watched a full week's worth of episodes of Y&R since 2012. I don't give a damn what the ratings show. The characters are characters again. They're enjoyable. I can watch the show without feeling like it's a chore. And that's because I'm watching Victor Newman again. I'm watching Sharon Newman again. I'm watching Nikki Newman again. Jack and Ashley Abbott. Even Victoria is more tolerable. Yes, she might be on too much. I'm not exactly sure what the reasoning is for that. But everything else helps me ignore that.

The show was a complete clusterfuck under Pratt. Just a bunch of robot characters walking around Genoa City, doing things they would never do in a million years.
Edited by DrewHamilton, May 15 2017, 10:35 AM.
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I'll take a "boring" show that makes sense over a plot-driven show that destroys every last character on it any day.
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Of course our personal enjoyment of the show doesn't depend on ratings.
But they are very important in the sense that the show's existence depends on them, their budget, production values etc. I actually don't care which headwriter will write but I wish for this show to survive. So if it's not going well they need to do some changes.
Edited by thepadange, May 15 2017, 12:22 PM.
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May 15 2017, 11:21 AM
Of course our personal enjoyment of the show doesn't depend on ratings.
But they are very important in the sense that the show's existence depends on them, their budget, production values etc. I actually don't care which headwriter will write but I wish for this show to survive. So if it's not going well they need to do some changes.
Everyone has different taste and obviously there will be a group of people who love the show right now. But the ratings are indicating that there is a greater number of people who are no longer enjoying the show. I don't see the point of getting Sussman fired. There's no one else they could hire. They need a co-headwriter or at the very least get a different Story Consultant because Kay Alden doesn't seem to be cutting the mustard.
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May 15 2017, 12:53 PM
thepadange
May 15 2017, 11:21 AM
Of course our personal enjoyment of the show doesn't depend on ratings.
But they are very important in the sense that the show's existence depends on them, their budget, production values etc. I actually don't care which headwriter will write but I wish for this show to survive. So if it's not going well they need to do some changes.
Everyone has different taste and obviously there will be a group of people who love the show right now. But the ratings are indicating that there is a greater number of people who are no longer enjoying the show. I don't see the point of getting Sussman fired. There's no one else they could hire. They need a co-headwriter or at the very least get a different Story Consultant because Kay Alden doesn't seem to be cutting the mustard.
Exactly! Yeah, there will be some who enjoy Sally's writing, but the ratings suggest more are bored by it. In the business world, larger ratings are what matters.

And these aren't small dips in the ratings either.
Edited by LPS, May 15 2017, 04:52 PM.
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May 15 2017, 09:41 AM
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May 14 2017, 07:03 PM
Also, Sally is stuck in the past and that not good. It's like she hasn't realized Y&R and soaps have changed in 20 years. For instance, this amazingly fucking slow pace may have worked in the 90's, but it doesn't work well in contemporary TV.

Also, this might be an unpopular opinion, but Dina won't help the ratings. She was on Y&R over 30 years ago. No one cares (and I'm using "no one" as a figure of speech). Sally needs to enter the 21st century and not ignore the changes that's occurred on Y&R. Also, it f Sally wanted Dina back, why didn't she do it like Patty's return (not necessarily crazy but more dramatic).
You say she's stuck in the past, but when a writer ignores past history, people are all , oh, they're ignoring the history. :shrug:
If you noticed, I didn't say Y&R should ignore its history and I made it a point not to. It's called balance and Sally doesn't have it. She's the first to try going balls to the walls with the older characters and it ain't working. She needs to find a balance.
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