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Y&R: January Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 2 2017, 05:50 AM (14,175 Views)
alizee


I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
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alizee


I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
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alizee
Jan 14 2017, 04:23 AM
I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
Being a fan for decades, it's 99% habit/tradition for me. After all these years, I'll always have it on, but I only pay attention to the juicy scenes.
Parts I find dull and boring, others enjoy, so it's hit and miss on how much actual attention I give the tv.
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alizee
Jan 14 2017, 04:24 AM
I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
I didn't notice any English things, but I'm gonna keep my eye out for them. Jack seems to have a new dapper look, I wish he'd play a guy with an English accent, it would be fun.
The measured way Jack Abbot speaks gets on my nerves sometimes, I gotta say. :blink:
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DarleneNYC
Jan 14 2017, 08:45 AM
alizee
Jan 14 2017, 04:23 AM
I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
Being a fan for decades, it's 99% habit/tradition for me. After all these years, I'll always have it on, but I only pay attention to the juicy scenes.
Parts I find dull and boring, others enjoy, so it's hit and miss on how much actual attention I give the tv.
I'll turn the show on, but whenever a storyline comes on I'm not interested in or annoys the hell out of me like another round of Billy and Victoria, I'll turn the sound down. I'm sick and tired of Lilly bitching on Hillary.....move on already. Judging y the previews they're going o finally give Lilly something else to do besides revolving around Hillary and Devon's orbit and I hope it's a storyline that I'll find interesting. And why on earth had Neil ever own and run his own corporation like Victor and Jack?
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alizee
Jan 14 2017, 04:23 AM
I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
I am a fan of the genre, I'll watch no matter what if I have a possibility to do that. I've never skipped an episode or FF parts of the episodes.
I've read a lot of complaints that previous regimes did everything bad, destroyed the show etc. I disagree, I think this show was always strong enough even though there always were things I didn't like. (My least favorite regime was SA/JP - the writing was boring as hell)

And Y&R is still a good soap. I can't say I enjoy the show right now much better than, let's say a year or so ago but I really see the efforts to improve the quality of the show.
However, right now it's like a good but somewhat bland food - it is qualitative and all but it lacks spice. It seems it must be easy to spice it up but maybe it isn't.

I think more drama would help them a lot. I don't mind longer conversations (I don't think the problem is that they are too long) but I wish those conversations had more depth and were not about nothing.
As for Mal Young's influence - I enjoy humor on this show, I wish we had more of it.

Edited by thepadange, Jan 15 2017, 11:47 AM.
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KarmicScales
Jan 13 2017, 09:21 PM
I got so excited when Reed didn't specify the gender he was interested in, but then disappointed when he added "girl" later on. Fingers crossed he's about to have an epic coming out story.
Reed being gay will he such a missed opportunity if they don't take it.
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alizee
Jan 14 2017, 04:23 AM
I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
I agree. Not every episode is great, and the plots aren't perfect but it IS way more character driven. I too love the longer conversations and longer scenes. One of my only few complaints is that they need to pull back a bit on the Gloria overload.
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Also I've watched every single episode since SS took over. Haven't missed one. I even watch the episodes that aren't as strong because I'm invested again. That's very telling. Sally is the best writer this show has had in years. However that doesn't mean I won't have my complaints about her as well because I do.

I don't particularly like that she focuses on one story each week and seems to abandon the other stories during that week or at least hardly follows up on it for days. For example: Devons accident.

Also... TOO MUCH GLORIA!! Pls keep this woman's scenes as minimal as possible. This character is so tacky. She should serve as comedic relief and only pop up once every couple weeks. I don't wanna be watching her every damn day.
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I can't say it is must see tv for me yet. If I don't watch an episode, I don't feel like I missed anything. The problem I am having is that the stakes are incredibly low or non existent and the way they blow it out of proportion makes it feel very manufactured. There have been improvements for sure like the quality of the scenes and the production but there's still a long way to go or maybe this is as good as it gets :shrug:
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3WishGenie
Jan 14 2017, 07:41 PM
I can't say it is must see tv for me yet. If I don't watch an episode, I don't feel like I missed anything. The problem I am having is that the stakes are incredibly low or non existent and the way they blow it out of proportion makes it feel very manufactured. There have been improvements for sure like the quality of the scenes and the production but there's still a long way to go or maybe this is as good as it gets :shrug:
I agree that they need to higher the stakes if they are going to make certain things a big deal. Like Devon losing his memory and not remembering what Hilary did to Mariah shouldn't be that big of a deal... it was wrong but come on. When he gets his memory back it's not going to be that big of a deal
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I am actually ok with Gloria. So far 😁.
What annoys me the most under SS is Nick. I just can't with his "troubles" anymore. The guy is rich and nannies or housekeepers shouldn't be the main problem for him. It's not believable. And there's too much of him onscreen.
Another problem for me is Villy. Victoria and Billy's "competition" is stupid. Victoria is forty something, why do they write her as if she were 14? Now she'll find out about porn and will blow it out of proportions too. I am dreading those scenes. Nothing very bad has happened yet. A forty year old woman should be able to understand that.

I think I don't mind other stories. But there's one more thing that bothers me. I like business stories in general but I think to use GT and ED twice a week and solely for these stories is a waste of two very strong actresses. From acting perspective the scenes aren't challenging.

While there isn't much that I don't like, there isn't much I like or things I am emotionally invested in either. The Dylan situation is a high stakes one but it is so predictable. It will end with Paul and Sharon feeling guilty for whatever happens to him.
I'd like for them to use interpersonal drama/conflict more. We probably have Lauren/Gloria drama coming (which I can't say I'm invested in). But it's not enough.
Edited by thepadange, Jan 15 2017, 08:58 AM.
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Oh, I see a lot of people saying they like longer scenes/conversations. I honestly haven't noticed that their scenes now are that much longer than they were before. IMO Y&R always had longer scenes and pretty well-written dialogues. The previous regimes weren't any different in this aspect. IMO some of Pratt's regime's dialogues/monologues/ scenes were even longer. Y&R was never a GH type of soap.
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Jan 14 2017, 01:11 PM
DarleneNYC
Jan 14 2017, 08:45 AM
alizee
Jan 14 2017, 04:23 AM
I actually enjoyed today. I know a lot of people find the show boring,but we all keep coming back to watch it so it can't be that boring,lol.
For years people said they wanted the old y&r, more character driven story, and now we're getting it. Are there stories I'm not as interested in? Yes. But I'm actually able to watch the whole episode, and that's something I haven't been able to do in YEARS. Even the storit's I'm not as interested in,I still enjoy. Heck, I've never been a huge shick fan and even I liked that little moment when they held each other yesterday.
I know some don't like the endless scenes of conversation, but that's how I remember y&r being before the merry-go-round of writers and producers these past number of years and all those conversations are what shows you the different points of view.

I also wanted to say I enjoy the touch of British influence Mal Young has sprinkled here and there.
Being a fan for decades, it's 99% habit/tradition for me. After all these years, I'll always have it on, but I only pay attention to the juicy scenes.
Parts I find dull and boring, others enjoy, so it's hit and miss on how much actual attention I give the tv.
I'll turn the show on, but whenever a storyline comes on I'm not interested in or annoys the hell out of me like another round of Billy and Victoria, I'll turn the sound down. I'm sick and tired of Lilly bitching on Hillary.....move on already. Judging y the previews they're going o finally give Lilly something else to do besides revolving around Hillary and Devon's orbit and I hope it's a storyline that I'll find interesting. And why on earth had Neil ever own and run his own corporation like Victor and Jack?
I don't think Neil wants all that responsibility. I think he likes to go to work and come home. Does he even work anymore?
He tried owning a jazz club for a while, but it didn't work out, I can't remember why, maybe he re-lapsed on his drinking.
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thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 01:00 AM
I am actually ok with Gloria. So far 😁.
What annoys me the most under SS is Nick. I just can't with his "troubles" anymore. The guy is rich and nannies or housekeepers shouldn't be the main problem for him. It's not believable. And there's too much of him onscreen.
Another problem for me is Villy. Victoria and Billy's "competition" is stupid. Victoria is forty something, why do they write her as if she were 14? Now she'll find out about porn and will blow it out of proportions too. I am dreading those scenes. Nothing very bad has happened yet. A forty year old woman should be able to understand that.

I think I don't mind other stories. But there's one more thing that bothers me. I like business stories in general but I think to use GT and ED twice a week and solely for these stories is a waste of two very strong actresses. From acting perspective the scenes aren't challenging.

While there isn't much that I don't like, there isn't much I like or things I am emotionally invested in either. The Dylan situation is a high stakes one but it is so predictable. It will end with Paul and Sharon feeling guilty for whatever happens to him.
I'd like for them to use interpersonal drama/conflict more. We probably have Lauren/Gloria drama coming (which I can't say I'm invested in). But it's not enough.
Lauren/Gloria will only be dramatic if Lauren does indeed lose Fenmore's to Jack. I'm kinda on the fence about it be cuz I dont want Jack/Gloria to win but that is the only way the story will generate any high stakes drama.
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thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 01:07 AM
Oh, I see a lot of people saying they like longer scenes/conversations. I honestly haven't noticed that their scenes now are that much longer than they were before. IMO Y&R always had longer scenes and pretty well-written dialogues. The previous regimes weren't any different in this aspect. IMO some of Pratt's regime's dialogues/monologues/ scenes were even longer. Y&R was never a GH type of soap.
The conversations were never in depth under Pratt and never acknowledged history. All I remember from his run are endless conversations about Marco and Victor vs. Jack, Sharon keeping secrets, the stupid Adam vs. Victor drama..

I wouldn't call those in depth conversations. The conversations always revolved around the stupid, contrived plots.
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Jan 15 2017, 03:59 PM
thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 01:07 AM
Oh, I see a lot of people saying they like longer scenes/conversations. I honestly haven't noticed that their scenes now are that much longer than they were before. IMO Y&R always had longer scenes and pretty well-written dialogues. The previous regimes weren't any different in this aspect. IMO some of Pratt's regime's dialogues/monologues/ scenes were even longer. Y&R was never a GH type of soap.
The conversations were never in depth under Pratt and never acknowledged history. All I remember from his run are endless conversations about Marco and Victor vs. Jack, Sharon keeping secrets, the stupid Adam vs. Victor drama..

I wouldn't call those in depth conversations. The conversations always revolved around the stupid, contrived plots.
I was talking about "longer scenes" in general.
But now that we started the discussion... Which scenes written by SSM would you call as in-depth conversations?

And speaking of stupid, contrived plots, I can't compare it for obvious reasons but was the Marco plot so much more contrived than the one about the evil twin Rick Bladeson written by Bill Bell?
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Jan 15 2017, 04:17 PM
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Jan 15 2017, 03:59 PM
thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 01:07 AM
Oh, I see a lot of people saying they like longer scenes/conversations. I honestly haven't noticed that their scenes now are that much longer than they were before. IMO Y&R always had longer scenes and pretty well-written dialogues. The previous regimes weren't any different in this aspect. IMO some of Pratt's regime's dialogues/monologues/ scenes were even longer. Y&R was never a GH type of soap.
The conversations were never in depth under Pratt and never acknowledged history. All I remember from his run are endless conversations about Marco and Victor vs. Jack, Sharon keeping secrets, the stupid Adam vs. Victor drama..

I wouldn't call those in depth conversations. The conversations always revolved around the stupid, contrived plots.
I was talking about "longer scenes" in general.
But now that we started the discussion... Which scenes written by SSM would you call as in-depth conversations?

And speaking of stupid, contrived plots, I can't compare it for obvious reasons but was the Marco plot so much more contrived than the one about the evil twin Rick Bladeson written by Bill Bell?
Pretty much the same to me except for the details. Evil twin, boinks wife of good twin, wife loves it. lol
Victor finding Marco in some prison was a little unbelievable. lol
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thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 04:17 PM
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Jan 15 2017, 03:59 PM
thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 01:07 AM
Oh, I see a lot of people saying they like longer scenes/conversations. I honestly haven't noticed that their scenes now are that much longer than they were before. IMO Y&R always had longer scenes and pretty well-written dialogues. The previous regimes weren't any different in this aspect. IMO some of Pratt's regime's dialogues/monologues/ scenes were even longer. Y&R was never a GH type of soap.
The conversations were never in depth under Pratt and never acknowledged history. All I remember from his run are endless conversations about Marco and Victor vs. Jack, Sharon keeping secrets, the stupid Adam vs. Victor drama..

I wouldn't call those in depth conversations. The conversations always revolved around the stupid, contrived plots.
I was talking about "longer scenes" in general.
But now that we started the discussion... Which scenes written by SSM would you call as in-depth conversations?

And speaking of stupid, contrived plots, I can't compare it for obvious reasons but was the Marco plot so much more contrived than the one about the evil twin Rick Bladeson written by Bill Bell?
Well for one I don't think he was a major character like Jack Abbott. Bill Bell was also an amazing writer.. something Chuck Pratt never has been and never will be. So any kind of campy stories that Bill Bell wrote was always done well.

Are you seriously saying that Pratt had long scenes with good dialogue? I mean I guess you're entitled to your opinion but I strongly disagree on that. I remember times when certain things seem to always happen off screen and we were supposed to just accept that it happened. A lot of shit was skipped over for the sake of the plot. It was ridiculous. He was an atrocious writer! Hopefully he doesn't come anywhere near a soap opera again.
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Jan 15 2017, 06:02 PM
thepadange
Jan 15 2017, 04:17 PM
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Jan 15 2017, 03:59 PM

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I was talking about "longer scenes" in general.
But now that we started the discussion... Which scenes written by SSM would you call as in-depth conversations?

And speaking of stupid, contrived plots, I can't compare it for obvious reasons but was the Marco plot so much more contrived than the one about the evil twin Rick Bladeson written by Bill Bell?
Well for one I don't think he was a major character like Jack Abbott. Bill Bell was also an amazing writer.. something Chuck Pratt never has been and never will be. So any kind of campy stories that Bill Bell wrote was always done well.

Are you seriously saying that Pratt had long scenes with good dialogue? I mean I guess you're entitled to your opinion but I strongly disagree on that. I remember times when certain things seem to always happen off screen and we were supposed to just accept that it happened. A lot of shit was skipped over for the sake of the plot. It was ridiculous. He was an atrocious writer! Hopefully he doesn't come anywhere near a soap opera again.
Yes, I think some of the scenes/dialogues were long and well-written under Pratt too. And you don't have to particularly credit Pratt for that :) . Headwriters don't write dialogue, they mostly work with breakdown writers on breakdowns. I imagine they check the scripts but that's it. I'm not sure if it's still the case but Y&R also has an "in-house historian" (senior script and story coordinator Elizabeth Hamrick LeBrun), so they have qualified personell who knows the history to help their writing team with it.

I don't exactly disagree because I am not sure what this is about but what do you mean when you say "I remember times when certain things seem to always happen off screen and we were supposed to just accept that it happened. A lot of shit was skipped over for the sake of the plot."

Speaking of Pratt and soap operas, I've seen a lot of Y&R fans on message boards, comment sections and Twitter complaining about Pratt and his writing, but from a more objective perspective (ratings) he didn't do anything bad to this show (maybe his writing hurt the other shows he was writing for but not Y&R). When we compare Y&R' ratings for the last 6 years - his are the best (I mean re: total viewers). They were especially high in Summer 2015 (in comparision to other years' ratings in Summer). We can like or dislike his plots but the general audience tuned it to watch his stuff:
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I'm not saying his writing is perfect and that I'm a die-hard fan of his but the situation is not black or white to me. All headwriters have their strengths and weaknesses. That's the reality.
Edited by thepadange, Jan 16 2017, 02:21 PM.
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