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Y&R: January Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 2 2017, 05:50 AM (14,165 Views)
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3WishGenie
Jan 24 2017, 03:10 PM
metitle
Jan 24 2017, 02:48 PM
thepadange
Jan 24 2017, 02:47 PM

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That's why is going to be a predictable story.
That's the name of the game now. Predictable and likeable.

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Yeah, it almost looks like they are avoiding any potential conflict/tension that would make their characters "unlikeable". I hope it changes soon because it's not soapy. And as far as I know "playing safe" wasn't Bill Bell's vision of a soap either.

Are they afraid of message board posters who complain that characters are unlikeable, bitchy, jerks, OOC etc? Because if that's the case they are in trouble.

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Jan 24 2017, 02:41 PM
Unfortunately, it sounds like she is going to be preggo with his baby and any fun we can have with single Bitchlary will go out the window.
Oh, crap, they'll be back together, with a baby yet...( if they let it go full term). Dimwit has to go broke for us to see if it's real love or not on her part. :glare: :yawnz:
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Jan 24 2017, 03:18 PM
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Jan 24 2017, 03:10 PM
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Jan 24 2017, 02:48 PM

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That's the name of the game now. Predictable and likeable.

:shrug:
Yeah, it almost looks like they are avoiding any potential conflict/tension that would make their characters "unlikeable". I hope it changes soon because it's not soapy. And as far as I know "playing safe" wasn't Bill Bell's vision of a soap either.

Are they afraid of message board posters who complain that characters are unlikeable, bitchy, jerks, OOC etc? Because if that's the case they are in trouble.

YES!!!
They are catering to a demographics that are looking "Little House & the Praire" or "Brady Bunch" or Hallmark Channel crap.
Edited by metitle, Jan 24 2017, 06:10 PM.
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It would be great if everyone would give the new writers and producer more than 5 minutes to get it all together. It took years to practically ruin the soap and half it's characters and it's not going to be fixed overnight and they're going to have to take some weird turns to do it..
It's kind of like a diet, it took time to put on 50 extra pounds and it's going to take even longer to get rid of them.
People are so impatient these days, and I don't just mean here, but everywhere, instant gratification is no fun, unless it's chocolate. lol
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Sammie Jo
Jan 24 2017, 06:47 PM
It would be great if everyone would give the new writers and producer more than 5 minutes to get it all together. It took years to practically ruin the soap and half it's characters and it's not going to be fixed overnight and they're going to have to take some weird turns to do it..
It's kind of like a diet, it took time to put on 50 extra pounds and it's going to take even longer to get rid of them.
People are so impatient these days, and I don't just mean here, but everywhere, instant gratification is no fun, unless it's chocolate. lol
I agree.
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I have no investment in Devon and Hilary and that's because of the writing in the past. Let's be honest here, Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans. His first relationship was offscreen for goodness sakes.
Hilary was brought on to disrupt the Winters for their once a week story,but aside from that never really got any development. Is she a vixen? Is she an antiheronline? Does she want to be on tv? Does she want to be in the corporate world? What? We don't know because the character doesn't and so how can I invest in the character or the pairing? I just feel with these two the regimen needs to start from scratch.
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I love the writing but the one complaint I would have is maybe add some intrigue and high stakes. I don't mean in the form of exploding buildings and plane crashes, but in the form of the relationships between the characters. The way I look at it, this is basically a brand new soap but with built in history. That really is how Sally has been writing and I think it's necessary. I think within the next few months we'll get more movement, we already are with the Lauren story, Miami vice, lily, hevon, and Sharon is acting normal. Her eyes aren't all bugged out 24/7.

Speaking of of Sharon, i think people need to take a chill pill eveytime they read a sharon spoiler. I mean my God, when there were spoilers for last week, people were acting like sharon was running around blowing Dylans' cover and got him shot dead in the street. All she did was answer a freaking phone and then right away had a nice conversation with Paul where they shared their fears and emotions. I loved that and those are the things that make me actually care about what's going on. I think we need to actually watch the show first and judge secondoms.

I noticed from reading the Canadian day ahead recap that what I see is very different from the way it is written. I have to remind even myself that these are only recaps, they can't always fully depict the picture. A good example was the convo between Jill and Billy. I loved that and she said what so many people have been complaining about for years: she was an absent mom, Billy being sent to NY as a kid, her acknowledgement that she wished she could have been a more active parent, and most importantly Billy was her chance to make up for what happened with Phillip. I was a kid,but even i knew Jill wanted Billy to make up for her mistakes with Philip.
Edited by alizee, Jan 25 2017, 03:29 AM.
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Jan 24 2017, 06:47 PM
It would be great if everyone would give the new writers and producer more than 5 minutes to get it all together. It took years to practically ruin the soap and half it's characters and it's not going to be fixed overnight and they're going to have to take some weird turns to do it..
It's kind of like a diet, it took time to put on 50 extra pounds and it's going to take even longer to get rid of them.
People are so impatient these days, and I don't just mean here, but everywhere, instant gratification is no fun, unless it's chocolate. lol
Accelerated world lol.

I don't think critique/complaints harm the show so much - it's not that we are Nielsen homes and are tuning out. We are still watching so it's not that we aren't giving them a chance.
I hear this "fixing" thing a lot these days. I just don't see it. What are they fixing? What exactly have they already fixed? Victor via showing him as a Grandpa with as many children/babies as possible? This isn't a real redemption in my book (and it's not a secret, I like EB). Billy via his endless scenes with Victoria and his pieces of advice to Reed? Hilary? Sharon? Relationships? What relationships?
And what I don't get in the first place is why they need to "fix" everything. Real life people aren't perfect, real life relationships aren't perfect, I don't need a soap where everyone is perfect. A bunch of goody two-shoes running around is not compelling as a daytime soap.
There has to be some drama in drama series. And to me it looks like they are trying to "play safe". Not sure why.
I'm kind of scared a little bit. Everyone thinks that CBS soaps are safe but they are not and they need more people watching, especially in the demos. I am pretty sure 80% or more of Nielsen homes don't read spoilers and have no idea about writing regimes, they just watch or decide not to watch. You can't say to these people "now you have to wait until the new regime gets it together" (that's if they get it together).
When MY joined the show in Summer, they started to show more children/family stuff. But they had to notice that lighter stuff doesn't go very well with the US audience. All those birthday parties didn't have high ratings. And they are continuing it.
Edited by thepadange, Jan 25 2017, 04:42 AM.
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Billy/Jill dialogue was great. (The whole script was very good).

Hilary/Devon conversation was funny. He thinks she is with him because of his money lol. So he was ok with her being a gold digger all this time they were together . :laugh:

LOL @Lily and Cane talking about Devon's marriage/potential divorce in details. It almost sounded like Devon is mentally disabled and can't make his own decisions.
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Jan 25 2017, 03:15 AM
I have no investment in Devon and Hilary and that's because of the writing in the past. Let's be honest here, Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans. His first relationship was offscreen for goodness sakes.
Hilary was brought on to disrupt the Winters for their once a week story,but aside from that never really got any development. Is she a vixen? Is she an antiheronline? Does she want to be on tv? Does she want to be in the corporate world? What? We don't know because the character doesn't and so how can I invest in the character or the pairing? I just feel with these two the regimen needs to start from scratch.
"Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans."
haha......that sentence gave me much laughter.

As for Bitchilary and her role on the show......no one knows.
yes she can be bitchy and that's good, but now the new writing regime seems like they want to soften her up to an Hallmark character.
of course they will start by having her preggers......then comes another kid on set that no one sees.
Bitchilary works better as a bitch. Besides the show NEEDS DRAMA and women like Bitchilary comes with drama.
I was never a fan of 40-Watt/Bitchilary pairing.
At first it didn't bother me much because the Winters were only featured "once a week" or "once every two week".
I can't understand why the writers for the show is afraid to write bitchy, vindictive characters.
the men are all wishy-washy and the women are written to be Carol Brady. Where is the entertainment in that?


Edited by metitle, Jan 25 2017, 09:41 AM.
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Jan 25 2017, 04:38 AM
Sammie Jo
Jan 24 2017, 06:47 PM
It would be great if everyone would give the new writers and producer more than 5 minutes to get it all together. It took years to practically ruin the soap and half it's characters and it's not going to be fixed overnight and they're going to have to take some weird turns to do it..
It's kind of like a diet, it took time to put on 50 extra pounds and it's going to take even longer to get rid of them.
People are so impatient these days, and I don't just mean here, but everywhere, instant gratification is no fun, unless it's chocolate. lol
Accelerated world lol.

I don't think critique/complaints harm the show so much - it's not that we are Nielsen homes and are tuning out. We are still watching so it's not that we aren't giving them a chance.
I hear this "fixing" thing a lot these days. I just don't see it. What are they fixing? What exactly have they already fixed? Victor via showing him as a Grandpa with as many children/babies as possible? This isn't a real redemption in my book (and it's not a secret, I like EB). Billy via his endless scenes with Victoria and his pieces of advice to Reed? Hilary? Sharon? Relationships? What relationships?
And what I don't get in the first place is why they need to "fix" everything. Real life people aren't perfect, real life relationships aren't perfect, I don't need a soap where everyone is perfect. A bunch of goody two-shoes running around is not compelling as a daytime soap.
There has to be some drama in drama series. And to me it looks like they are trying to "play safe". Not sure why.
I'm kind of scared a little bit. Everyone thinks that CBS soaps are safe but they are not and they need more people watching, especially in the demos. I am pretty sure 80% or more of Nielsen homes don't read spoilers and have no idea about writing regimes, they just watch or decide not to watch. You can't say to these people "now you have to wait until the new regime gets it together" (that's if they get it together).
When MY joined the show in Summer, they started to show more children/family stuff. But they had to notice that lighter stuff doesn't go very well with the US audience. All those birthday parties didn't have high ratings. And they are continuing it.
as bitchy Kenya Moore would say................
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Jan 25 2017, 04:38 AM
Sammie Jo
Jan 24 2017, 06:47 PM
It would be great if everyone would give the new writers and producer more than 5 minutes to get it all together. It took years to practically ruin the soap and half it's characters and it's not going to be fixed overnight and they're going to have to take some weird turns to do it..
It's kind of like a diet, it took time to put on 50 extra pounds and it's going to take even longer to get rid of them.
People are so impatient these days, and I don't just mean here, but everywhere, instant gratification is no fun, unless it's chocolate. lol
Accelerated world lol.

I don't think critique/complaints harm the show so much - it's not that we are Nielsen homes and are tuning out. We are still watching so it's not that we aren't giving them a chance.
I hear this "fixing" thing a lot these days. I just don't see it. What are they fixing? What exactly have they already fixed? Victor via showing him as a Grandpa with as many children/babies as possible? This isn't a real redemption in my book (and it's not a secret, I like EB). Billy via his endless scenes with Victoria and his pieces of advice to Reed? Hilary? Sharon? Relationships? What relationships?
And what I don't get in the first place is why they need to "fix" everything. Real life people aren't perfect, real life relationships aren't perfect, I don't need a soap where everyone is perfect. A bunch of goody two-shoes running around is not compelling as a daytime soap.
There has to be some drama in drama series. And to me it looks like they are trying to "play safe". Not sure why.
I'm kind of scared a little bit. Everyone thinks that CBS soaps are safe but they are not and they need more people watching, especially in the demos. I am pretty sure 80% or more of Nielsen homes don't read spoilers and have no idea about writing regimes, they just watch or decide not to watch. You can't say to these people "now you have to wait until the new regime gets it together" (that's if they get it together).
When MY joined the show in Summer, they started to show more children/family stuff. But they had to notice that lighter stuff doesn't go very well with the US audience. All those birthday parties didn't have high ratings. And they are continuing it.
If you weren't watching Y&R before 2005 then I could understand why the changes are going unnoticed by you, but the long time viewers see the changes. Their favourite characters acting like themselves and nods to history are important.
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Jan 25 2017, 09:39 AM
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Jan 25 2017, 03:15 AM
I have no investment in Devon and Hilary and that's because of the writing in the past. Let's be honest here, Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans. His first relationship was offscreen for goodness sakes.
Hilary was brought on to disrupt the Winters for their once a week story,but aside from that never really got any development. Is she a vixen? Is she an antiheronline? Does she want to be on tv? Does she want to be in the corporate world? What? We don't know because the character doesn't and so how can I invest in the character or the pairing? I just feel with these two the regimen needs to start from scratch.
"Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans."
haha......that sentence gave me much laughter.

As for Bitchilary and her role on the show......no one knows.
yes she can be bitchy and that's good, but now the new writing regime seems like they want to soften her up to an Hallmark character.
of course they will start by having her preggers......then comes another kid on set that no one sees.
Bitchilary works better as a bitch. Besides the show NEEDS DRAMA and women like Bitchilary comes with drama.
I was never a fan of 40-Watt/Bitchilary pairing.
At first it didn't bother me much because the Winters were only featured "once a week" or "once every two week".
I can't understand why the writers for the show is afraid to write bitchy, vindictive characters.
the men are all wishy-washy and the women are written to be Carol Brady. Where is the entertainment in that?


HIlary is not being softened up just because she is feeling some type of way over her break up with Devon. Is she supposed to not care? Lmfao. People would REALLY hate Hilary then.

You can't be a one note character and be a bitch all the time. There has to be layers.
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Jan 25 2017, 11:19 AM
thepadange
Jan 25 2017, 04:38 AM
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Jan 24 2017, 06:47 PM
It would be great if everyone would give the new writers and producer more than 5 minutes to get it all together. It took years to practically ruin the soap and half it's characters and it's not going to be fixed overnight and they're going to have to take some weird turns to do it..
It's kind of like a diet, it took time to put on 50 extra pounds and it's going to take even longer to get rid of them.
People are so impatient these days, and I don't just mean here, but everywhere, instant gratification is no fun, unless it's chocolate. lol
Accelerated world lol.

I don't think critique/complaints harm the show so much - it's not that we are Nielsen homes and are tuning out. We are still watching so it's not that we aren't giving them a chance.
I hear this "fixing" thing a lot these days. I just don't see it. What are they fixing? What exactly have they already fixed? Victor via showing him as a Grandpa with as many children/babies as possible? This isn't a real redemption in my book (and it's not a secret, I like EB). Billy via his endless scenes with Victoria and his pieces of advice to Reed? Hilary? Sharon? Relationships? What relationships?
And what I don't get in the first place is why they need to "fix" everything. Real life people aren't perfect, real life relationships aren't perfect, I don't need a soap where everyone is perfect. A bunch of goody two-shoes running around is not compelling as a daytime soap.
There has to be some drama in drama series. And to me it looks like they are trying to "play safe". Not sure why.
I'm kind of scared a little bit. Everyone thinks that CBS soaps are safe but they are not and they need more people watching, especially in the demos. I am pretty sure 80% or more of Nielsen homes don't read spoilers and have no idea about writing regimes, they just watch or decide not to watch. You can't say to these people "now you have to wait until the new regime gets it together" (that's if they get it together).
When MY joined the show in Summer, they started to show more children/family stuff. But they had to notice that lighter stuff doesn't go very well with the US audience. All those birthday parties didn't have high ratings. And they are continuing it.
If you weren't watching Y&R before 2005 then I could understand why the changes are going unnoticed by you, but the long time viewers see the changes. Their favourite characters acting like themselves and nods to history are important.
Nods to history are important and always interesting to watch (I love old flashbacks). Maybe there's more of them now but it's not that there weren't any in the last ten years.
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Jan 25 2017, 11:21 AM
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Jan 25 2017, 09:39 AM
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Jan 25 2017, 03:15 AM
I have no investment in Devon and Hilary and that's because of the writing in the past. Let's be honest here, Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans. His first relationship was offscreen for goodness sakes.
Hilary was brought on to disrupt the Winters for their once a week story,but aside from that never really got any development. Is she a vixen? Is she an antiheronline? Does she want to be on tv? Does she want to be in the corporate world? What? We don't know because the character doesn't and so how can I invest in the character or the pairing? I just feel with these two the regimen needs to start from scratch.
"Devon has been on this show for ten years but for 85% of that he was a glorified extra and was only there to watch lily's shenanigans."
haha......that sentence gave me much laughter.

As for Bitchilary and her role on the show......no one knows.
yes she can be bitchy and that's good, but now the new writing regime seems like they want to soften her up to an Hallmark character.
of course they will start by having her preggers......then comes another kid on set that no one sees.
Bitchilary works better as a bitch. Besides the show NEEDS DRAMA and women like Bitchilary comes with drama.
I was never a fan of 40-Watt/Bitchilary pairing.
At first it didn't bother me much because the Winters were only featured "once a week" or "once every two week".
I can't understand why the writers for the show is afraid to write bitchy, vindictive characters.
the men are all wishy-washy and the women are written to be Carol Brady. Where is the entertainment in that?


HIlary is not being softened up just because she is feeling some type of way over her break up with Devon. Is she supposed to not care? Lmfao. People would REALLY hate Hilary then.

You can't be a one note character and be a bitch all the time. There has to be layers.
not being softened.........well time will tell.
Yes, she is allowed to show some emotions.
But at the same time, strong women usually starts planning their next move when one plan fail.
BTW, I believe by May (if so long) she will be the next Carol Brady.
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shouldn't Lauren be working to find a way to save her company......why is she sitting at Newman's dark restaurant?
shouldn't she be crunching numbers and research potential investors?
well I guess the business world in GC in different from the real world.
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Sharon and Mariah have nice relationship.
Mariah is quite supportive of her mother.
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so Paul now have jurisdiction in Florida too?
as a popo.....in GC, Wisconsin.....he has no jurisdiction outside of his small town.
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hahaaaaa......
Gloria really have some chutzpah.
and her one-liner come back was hilarious.
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well nuJack is matching Red word for word.
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