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Y&R: January Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 2 2017, 05:50 AM (14,160 Views)
DarleneNYC


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Jan 26 2017, 11:38 PM
This Dylan thing doesn't make sense to me. Fisk is arrested like he was supposed to be. So why is the situation any different from the one they planned. Fisk's organization would have known that Derek wasn't Derek either way. So they just now thought it is dangerous for Dylan??????
Yeah, it was kind of just slapped together, but SB needed an exit door. It wasn't much of a plan on Paul's part, but at least if was dramatic.
Poor Dylan had to "cheat" on Sharon with the leather pants lady, and he feels so guilty about it. I'm sure she'd understand, but I wonder if he'll fess up.
He wouldn't want to hurt her, and that's what Sharon did when she lost the baby. They really love each other.
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Jan 26 2017, 11:41 PM
thepadange
Jan 26 2017, 11:38 PM
This Dylan thing doesn't make sense to me. Fisk is arrested like he was supposed to be. So why is the situation any different from the one they planned. Fisk's organization would have known that Derek wasn't Derek either way. So they just now thought it is dangerous for Dylan??????
I guess that's one way of viewing it but I'm willing to suspend my belief on things like this because it's not like it's that outlandish *ahem* like believe Jack has an evil drug dealer with the exact same face as him walking around in another country.

Besides, that could easily be explained by saying that perhaps Paul and Christine weren't able to measure how big Fisks people were. Maybe they just didn't think he had that many people who would do his dirty work for him after her was caught. Hard to believe if we were talking about real life but since it's a soap, I can deal with believing such a minor thing.
Oh, of course, that's definitely not the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen on a soap.
I'm just wondering why they did it this way. If Fisk hadn't been arrested, all of this would have made sense. Why did they do that? To show that Dylan is a hero? I think it's ok if some operations aren't successful.
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Jan 27 2017, 01:39 AM
Queen B
Jan 26 2017, 11:41 PM
thepadange
Jan 26 2017, 11:38 PM
This Dylan thing doesn't make sense to me. Fisk is arrested like he was supposed to be. So why is the situation any different from the one they planned. Fisk's organization would have known that Derek wasn't Derek either way. So they just now thought it is dangerous for Dylan??????
I guess that's one way of viewing it but I'm willing to suspend my belief on things like this because it's not like it's that outlandish *ahem* like believe Jack has an evil drug dealer with the exact same face as him walking around in another country.

Besides, that could easily be explained by saying that perhaps Paul and Christine weren't able to measure how big Fisks people were. Maybe they just didn't think he had that many people who would do his dirty work for him after her was caught. Hard to believe if we were talking about real life but since it's a soap, I can deal with believing such a minor thing.
Oh, of course, that's definitely not the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen on a soap.
I'm just wondering why they did it this way. If Fisk hadn't been arrested, all of this would have made sense. Why did they do that? To show that Dylan is a hero? I think it's ok if some operations aren't successful.
Was Fisk even arrested because of Dylan??? He just showed up in cuffs from what I recall.
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Jan 27 2017, 01:50 AM
thepadange
Jan 27 2017, 01:39 AM
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Jan 26 2017, 11:41 PM

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Oh, of course, that's definitely not the most unbelievable thing I've ever seen on a soap.
I'm just wondering why they did it this way. If Fisk hadn't been arrested, all of this would have made sense. Why did they do that? To show that Dylan is a hero? I think it's ok if some operations aren't successful.
Was Fisk even arrested because of Dylan??? He just showed up in cuffs from what I recall.
I don't know. Maybe he showed up at that ship "Esmeralda" - or whatever was it's name - despite of knowing that Dylan is a cop :shrug: .
The guy must be dumb or he wanted to be arrested :laugh: .
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Dylan's recording or wire or whatever that was transmitted to Kevin ... about the ship Esmeralda, gave the cops the clue as to where to find the shipment. Paul and Christine already knew Fisk was in charge, they just wanted some physical evidence to arrest him on. I think because "Derek" (Dylan) had given Fisk the briefcase of cash in exchange for the goods, it was considered a drug sale by Fisk, and therefore something concrete to arrest Fisk for.

I think the plan had been to assume that if Fisk had trusted Derek/Dylan thus far, then Dylan would accept the shipment and then quietly sneak away before the arrests were made. Fisk wouldn't know that Dylan had turned him in. That was the plan.

However ...
The prosecutor still would have needed someone to testify in court that this shipment came from Fisk -- all they had so far was Dylan's voice saying where the shipment was. Dylan would still have needed to testify in court in order to get a conviction, right?

Did Kevin save a recording of Dylan's voice saying this? Would the GCPD be able to testify that one of their own operatives made the recording -- without Dylan having to appear in court? But even then, they would have to name Dylan in court -- or at least reveal that "Derek" was a cop. And it wouldn't have taken long for Fisk's organization to figure out that Derek was Dylan McAvoy from Genoa City.

I don't understand how Paul and Christine thought Dylan could get away without eventually revealing during the trial that he's a cop. Maybe they thought Fisk would assume that Dylan was an undercover federal agent, and never figure out that he was from Genoa City?

I don't think the writers thought this through ... because if they did, there would have been some explanation given on screen.

Hmmmmm ... there have been so many police drama shows on TV where there are cops going undercover. For characters on those shows ... how do the undercover cop characters go back to regular police work after they make the arrest? Wouldn't the criminals want revenge after the identity of the cop is revealed? Is this ever dealt with on cop shows? Hmmm.

Well I guess even *regular* cops who *don't* go undercover have to deal with criminals desiring revenge -- it's probably just a hazard of the job. A risk that cops take every day.

But as other posters have said in this thread ...
Why is the danger for Dylan such a surprise?
Shouldn't Paul and Christine have expected that there was a possibility that this might happen?

I guess that Paul and Christine figured that the biggest danger would be Dylan being identified as a cop -- and killed -- during the beginning phases of Dylan's operation ... but they hoped that Dylan was a trained military man and hopefully would have escaped if he suspected they were aware of him. They instructed Dylan to abandon the operation immediately if he thought there were any hints that the criminals might suspect he was a cop.

They didn't count on what happened -- the entire operation went smoothly and THEN Fisk's people realized Dylan's identity after the cops raided the Esmeralda. Why didn't Paul and Christine expect this? I guess because ... the plan was that Fisk's people would still believe that "Derek" was a real drug dealer even after the cops raided the ship?

Maybe Paul and Christine figured that Dylan would have escaped to safety long before the cops raided the ship? I don't know. Did they seriously believe that all of Fisk's people would be arrested and nobody left behind to chase down Dylan afterwards?

Lots of holes in the plot.

Oh well.
Edited by nananana7, Jan 27 2017, 08:51 AM.
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We haven't seen Steve Burton's final episode yet.

Dylan's last episode is early in the week of January 30th. (maybe Monday USA episode?)

Maybe we'll see a scene where Paul strategizes with Dylan about putting him in witness protection?
And/or maybe Dylan and Sharon having a final good-bye scene?
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thepadange
Jan 26 2017, 11:38 PM
This Dylan thing doesn't make sense to me. Fisk is arrested like he was supposed to be. So why is the situation any different from the one they planned. Fisk's organization would have known that Derek wasn't Derek either way. So they just now thought it is dangerous for Dylan??????
Because if they know who Derek really is they can attack his family.
I laughed when sharon said the ranch has security like a fort. LMAO Really? EVERYONE gets through Newman security.
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I'm glad Dylan called Paul to say goodbye to him. I thought Sharon and Nikki would be the only ones who knew the truth but I'm glad Paul knows too. That would be sad if Paul had to believe his son is dead.
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I hate when work get in the way of my daily guilty pleasure.
I think Lauren is making a grave mistake by partnering with Forester.
because Forester is in trouble as well.
Edited by metitle, Jan 27 2017, 01:07 PM.
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I see TPTB put EB's script in that fake magazine.
and he is not mumbling as much.
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why is Pathetic-Nikki getting emotional to Dylan?
he is not even her son........she was only and didn't give birth to Dullan
there is NO way Dullan is her son.
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so Y&R is leaving the Dullan role open for a recast.
hopefully its someone that can act.
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oh jeez.....the makeup people didn't do MTS any good today.
the foundation is caked on and her faux tan lines are showing.
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alizee


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Jan 26 2017, 11:34 PM
Today's episode was another really strong one. I wonder if these old/new script writers pre-LML are the reason for that?

Cane is being a total douche bag. I don't even really know what to say about that because it seems like his reason for not wanting Lily to model is a little selfish. I loved Lily's reasoning for wanting to model though, the fact that she just feels like a housewife and not actually seen or appreciated for herself alone. Cane should respect that.
ITA about the dialogue. Know Sara Bibel is back and it shows. I think the dialogue has been great and the characters have a bit of personality now. Maybe it was lame,but I thoroughly enjoyed when Victoria said she was a good teen and Nikki laughed. She literally laughed in her face and I loved it. This is the kind of reaction I want to see from characters. When someone says something we know not to be true, in the case of an adult child having selective memory of their youth,I want someone to call them out on it,lol.

And I thoroughly enjoyed Lily today. I love that she is back to modeling and having a personality. I always thought she was a young Cricket when she was a teenager. Then they saddled her with assby and she became window dressing on Winters Island

When she talked about Dru,and how connected she felt to her mother I was sold. I always thought it would make sense that Lily may feel inferior to her mother. Dru was written to be this larger than life character and her and Lily always butted heads,but we know deep down lily admired her mother more than anyone else in the world
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nuJack is a real chump.....he just fell for the most common bargaining tactic.
the first proposal on the table and he took it.
if he done a few clicks on his computer, he would have known that Forester was in NO position to partner with Fenmore.
nuJack didn't even send a text to his company lawyer to seek advice.
NuJack is NOT a smart CEO and he deserves to loose his monies.
what CEO in this day and age invest in a 'white elephant'?
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alizee


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Jan 26 2017, 07:22 PM

Because he's a dick. If they follow history, and lately Sally has, it may be because of Billy. Back when he came back on the show as billy miller,around 2008, he had a big old crush on lily and assby was jealous. He couldn't do anything because he was too busy pretending he didn't know he wasn't the father to Chloé's baby ,all so he could continue to be Phillip. See? I will never understand why anyone would want Lily with assby. Neil was right to never like him,I always assumed he's changed his tune ONLY because of the grandkids. [/quote]ITA! I never liked Cane and he's always been a liar, he's paranoid as hell about his job and Billy, and I think it would be just delicious for Billy & Lilly to hook up. LMAO
I don't normally advocate cheating, but Cane (and Jack) are two people who deserve to have their asses handed to them for their pompous, arrogant attitudes.

ASSBY! Love it! Suits him to a T. :roflol: :roflol: :roflol: [/quote]


Yes! I think there was some Chem testing going on and I don't believe assby is against her modeling because other men will be looking at her. If you ask me,he knows he's lucky to have trapped Lily into that marriage. Yeah she had an affair but he lied about his entire past multiple times, pretended to be Delia's father because his faux relationship with Jill and the chancellor money was more important and he pretended to be a freaking ghost and literally drove lily to Fairview. All because some grown as man wanted a family? Boy bye!

If memory serves me right, back when Kay was still on the showand LML was new they had lily acting as a young heroine on the show. I think I see the signs of that again.

Edited by alizee, Jan 27 2017, 01:15 PM.
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what I noticed with the writing team, they can write 15% accurate business story, and 85% rubbish business story.
seriously......what are thinking?
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well the show is interrupted by the Orange Man with his Orange hair.
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metitle
Jan 27 2017, 01:06 PM
so Y&R is leaving the Dullan role open for a recast.
hopefully its someone that can act.
I think they mostly didn't want to have another death on the show. Too many widowers otherwise. Months from now, a year from now it will be Dylan who?
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Jan 27 2017, 01:16 PM
well the show is interrupted by the Orange Man with his Orange hair.
The one show that was actually good in the last 3 weeks gets interrupted. What timing! :shame:
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