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Y&R: February Discussion
Topic Started: Jan 29 2017, 08:41 PM (16,866 Views)
Queen B
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Jan 31 2017, 06:30 PM
3WishGenie
Jan 31 2017, 03:50 PM
Queen B
Jan 31 2017, 03:32 PM
Neil and Ashley had tons of chemistry.

But the show pussyd out because god forbid they put a white woman with a black man. That would just be way too much for some Americans to take!
Yet we have Lane :shrug:
that's because its the other way around.
people are less tolerant to black men/white women......than black women/white men.
Exactly my point!
Edited by Miss Rhi, Feb 1 2017, 01:18 AM.
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Jan 31 2017, 05:25 PM
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As Glo said they are consenting unattached adults, so theoretically nobody should have a problem with it LOL. But as everyone is in everyone's business in GC, expect it to be a sensation.
Ordinarily I would agree, but it's not that they did "IT", but the history between them that makes it scandalous, and even though John is dead, this is still the second stepmother Jack has slept with. LOL
Yeah, they should do a triangle - two former stepmothers and a stepson. I'm all for it!
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Queen B
Jan 31 2017, 03:32 PM
Neil and Ashley had tons of chemistry.

But the show pussyd out because god forbid they put a white woman with a black man. That would just be way too much for some Americans to take!
Yet we have Lane :shrug:
That's why I said "white women with black men"

Black men are always being portrayed as "bad guys" in movies, TV shows in America. I know they tried it with Abby and Tyler but it's not like it's a common thing on soaps.
Edited by Miss Rhi, Feb 1 2017, 01:18 AM.
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Jan 31 2017, 06:59 PM
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Ordinarily I would agree, but it's not that they did "IT", but the history between them that makes it scandalous, and even though John is dead, this is still the second stepmother Jack has slept with. LOL
Philly need to find out and say screw Jack & his feelings and be together :cheer:
Now that they showed Jack and Gloria, I can't stop thinking that that's what Sally would have preferred for Philly - a drunken ONS. And Pratt&Co wrote a love story :biggrin: .
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Jan 31 2017, 07:16 PM
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Philly need to find out and say screw Jack & his feelings and be together :cheer:
Now that they showed Jack and Gloria, I can't stop thinking that that's what Sally would have preferred for Philly - a drunken ONS. And Pratt&Co wrote a love story :biggrin: .
And she can't erase it :cheers:

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Nick and Victor were only on 5 episodes for the month of January. LOL I love it. Let's keep that going Sally!

Chelsea had 3 episodes for the month of January. That's a big drop from always being in the top 10 every month under Pratt.
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Queen B
Jan 31 2017, 03:32 PM
Neil and Ashley had tons of chemistry.

But the show pussyd out because god forbid they put a white woman with a black man. That would just be way too much for some Americans to take!
Going back many years, John fell in love with Mamie, their non-white housekeeper, but it didn't sit well with some fans, and it ended. :shame:
And even back when Ashley and Neil were together, it was kind of an odd pairing, but it was never mentioned that they were from different races.
Edited by Miss Rhi, Feb 1 2017, 01:18 AM.
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Jan 31 2017, 07:15 PM
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Jan 31 2017, 03:50 PM
Queen B
Jan 31 2017, 03:32 PM
Neil and Ashley had tons of chemistry.

But the show pussyd out because god forbid they put a white woman with a black man. That would just be way too much for those redneck Americans to take!
Yet we have Lane :shrug:
That's why I said "white women with black men"

Black men are always being portrayed as "bad guys" in movies, TV shows in America. I know they tried it with Abby and Tyler but it's not like it's a common thing on soaps.
I can't think of any Black villains in soaps... except for Hilary Hamilton. :P
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Queen B
Jan 31 2017, 07:34 PM
Nick and Victor were only on 5 episodes for the month of January. LOL I love it. Let's keep that going Sally!

Chelsea had 3 episodes for the month of January. That's a big drop from always being in the top 10 every month under Pratt.
Victor makes me so sick, I'm very thankful he hasn't been on too much. I like Nick's new hair-do better than his last one, but that's the nicest thing I can say about that jerk.
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Jan 31 2017, 07:16 PM
Now that they showed Jack and Gloria, I can't stop thinking that that's what Sally would have preferred for Philly - a drunken ONS. And Pratt&Co wrote a love story :biggrin: .

Philly was a fun affair, yes.
Love story? No.

I don't think SSM would have made Philly into a one-night stand though. She wrote the original 2006 version of Phick.

The Phick affair started out as antagonistic, then friendship, then steamy hot attraction. It lasted quite a while. Then they fell in love, but I wasn't sure how I felt about that part.

I liked them best as friends with benefits.

I think it worked because of how it was written but mostly because Joshua Morrow genuinely enjoyed working with Michell Stafford, they became buddies.

But after a few years, the writing/directing/acting didn't work as well anymore.

Who knows how SSM would have written Philly?
Edited by nananana7, Jan 31 2017, 09:09 PM.
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Jan 31 2017, 10:32 AM
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Jan 31 2017, 04:43 AM
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Jan 31 2017, 12:47 AM

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Sigh, I wish she were on Days! But she won't jump the ship. Not voluntarily at least.
I don't want Eileen on Days. Kristian is played out. Don't get me wrong, I loved Kristian but those days are over. She's not the type of villain you can keep on the canvas forever. Ashley is a major part of Y&R and it's history. I don't wanna see her go. They just have to do more with her besides being in Jacks business.
The problem is that those hacks Tomsell squandered her return to Salem. They turned her into Andre 2.0 when they could have spent that time rebuilding her and giving her another chance to be the DiMera she could have been if she hadn't gone crazy.


I love love Ashley, but she hasn't had a good story since Faith was revealed to be Sharon's'. All this "It's hard to write for Eileen because she's such a powerhouse!" is B.S. too. ED is an actor, she'll portray whatever you want her to. Don't blame her because you can't figure out what to do with Ashley.
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Jan 31 2017, 09:08 PM
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Jan 31 2017, 07:16 PM
Now that they showed Jack and Gloria, I can't stop thinking that that's what Sally would have preferred for Philly - a drunken ONS. And Pratt&Co wrote a love story :biggrin: .

Philly was a fun affair, yes.
Love story? No.

I don't think SSM would have made Philly into a one-night stand though. She wrote the original 2006 version of Phick.

The Phick affair started out as antagonistic, then friendship, then steamy hot attraction. It lasted quite a while. Then they fell in love, but I wasn't sure how I felt about that part.

I liked them best as friends with benefits.

I think it worked because of how it was written but mostly because Joshua Morrow genuinely enjoyed working with Michell Stafford, they became buddies.

But after a few years, the writing/directing/acting didn't work as well anymore.

Who knows how SSM would have written Philly?
Yeah I definitely didn't see Philly as a "love story" either. Lol.
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Philly was hot and soapy. It could have led to more. I definitely didn't think of it as a love story. If I did, I would have definitely been rooting for them to "get together" again much more than I am. I wasn't that invested in them though. They were good drama for the moment.
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Jan 31 2017, 06:40 PM
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Jan 31 2017, 03:32 PM
Neil and Ashley had tons of chemistry.

But the show pussyd out because god forbid they put a white woman with a black man. That would just be way too much for some Americans to take!
I think they were engaged at one time. I seem to remember that Ashley was pregnant with someone's baby, and Neil was going to assume the daddy role, but she lost the baby. Then, their romance fell apart. I think John may've still been alive, it was a long time ago.
That was Victoria. Heather Tom was playing the part. 1998 I believe. And the writers ended the pairing because CBS got complaints about interracial romance.
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Jan 31 2017, 11:08 PM
Philly was hot and soapy. It could have led to more. I definitely didn't think of it as a love story. If I did, I would have definitely been rooting for them to "get together" again much more than I am. I wasn't that invested in them though. They were good drama for the moment.
The story got so messed up in the end it was like whiplash. It definitely could have been more and still could be. Could make this whole Fenmore's storyline a lot more interesting. Phyllis caught between Jabot and B&S for instance. There is still story possibilities for them.
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Philly would have turned into a great love story but like 2 weeks after they first had sex they were already proclaiming their love for each other. That's not how you build a good affair or love story, lol.

Also, the writers made Philly coming together more about this new "love" that the two shared rather than Phack's crumbling marriage. That's one of the reasons why Philly happened and then the writers just ignored it until they felt like bringing it up for the 2 therapy episodes.
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Jan 31 2017, 08:55 PM
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That's why I said "white women with black men"

Black men are always being portrayed as "bad guys" in movies, TV shows in America. I know they tried it with Abby and Tyler but it's not like it's a common thing on soaps.
I can't think of any Black villains in soaps... except for Hilary Hamilton. :P
Maya was a vixen on B&B.

Black soap opera characters are usually written as these boring goody-goodies.
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Jan 31 2017, 09:08 PM
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Jan 31 2017, 07:16 PM
Now that they showed Jack and Gloria, I can't stop thinking that that's what Sally would have preferred for Philly - a drunken ONS. And Pratt&Co wrote a love story :biggrin: .

Philly was a fun affair, yes.
Love story? No.

I don't think SSM would have made Philly into a one-night stand though. She wrote the original 2006 version of Phick.

The Phick affair started out as antagonistic, then friendship, then steamy hot attraction. It lasted quite a while. Then they fell in love, but I wasn't sure how I felt about that part.

I liked them best as friends with benefits.

I think it worked because of how it was written but mostly because Joshua Morrow genuinely enjoyed working with Michell Stafford, they became buddies.

But after a few years, the writing/directing/acting didn't work as well anymore.

Who knows how SSM would have written Philly?
Agreed. I never saw Philly as this great love as some protest. It was more of a scratch an itch and leave kind of arrangement. They both had issues with Jack and it was less about the other person.
Edited by LPS, Feb 1 2017, 12:53 AM.
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Jan 31 2017, 09:08 PM
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Jan 31 2017, 07:16 PM
Now that they showed Jack and Gloria, I can't stop thinking that that's what Sally would have preferred for Philly - a drunken ONS. And Pratt&Co wrote a love story :biggrin: .

Philly was a fun affair, yes.
Love story? No.

I don't think SSM would have made Philly into a one-night stand though. She wrote the original 2006 version of Phick.

The Phick affair started out as antagonistic, then friendship, then steamy hot attraction. It lasted quite a while. Then they fell in love, but I wasn't sure how I felt about that part.

I liked them best as friends with benefits.

I think it worked because of how it was written but mostly because Joshua Morrow genuinely enjoyed working with Michell Stafford, they became buddies.

But after a few years, the writing/directing/acting didn't work as well anymore.

Who knows how SSM would have written Philly?
Philly was WRITTEN as a LOVE story (until they did a weird 180 which still didn't explain that it wasn't one lol). Now, whether we buy/bought it as a love story or not is our personal opinion. We might like it or dislike it, think of it as great, mediocre or horrible - all of this is our opinion as well. All of us are entitled to our opinion but it doesn't change the fact that it was written as a love story (like Shylan, Nage, Chadam, Hevon, even Tricky etc whom we might have liked or hated, too).

Re: Phick. Did you check how much of the Phick affair/love story SSM had written? I'm asking it because someone replied to my comment on another site and said it was LML who wrote the Phick affair, not SSM. I tried to check it, and it really looked like the affair started a month or so after SSM had left Y&R. But SSM states on her own site that she wrote Phick, so she must know it lol. I can't check the exact credits because I don't have full episodes from that time frame. Either way it looks like she only had a possibility to write them for a very limited period of time (and she wasn't the HW when she did it).

Guessing from her interview, she wouldn't have written Philly at all lol.
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Jan 31 2017, 11:54 PM
Philly would have turned into a great love story but like 2 weeks after they first had sex they were already proclaiming their love for each other. That's not how you build a good affair or love story, lol.

Also, the writers made Philly coming together more about this new "love" that the two shared rather than Phack's crumbling marriage. That's one of the reasons why Philly happened and then the writers just ignored it until they felt like bringing it up for the 2 therapy episodes.
Well, I'm not saying the love story was perfect but what does it have to do with how much time has passed between first sex and love declarations? So what if it was 3 weeks for him? And a couple of months for her? Are there some requirements? I know a couple who had only known each other for several months and lived in different countries before they got married, and they are happy and still in love. I also know a couple who had lived together for almost 10 years, then they married and after 6 months one of them fell in love with someone else and left their spouse.
I know it might sound too old-fashioned lol but I also can tell someone I am in love with them and only then have sex. IMO it is possible to start falling for a person without dating, kissing or making out with that person, especially, if you spend a lot of time with them, eg. as your friend or your co-worker.

Now if Glo and Jack would proclaim their love in 3 weeks from now, I'd say, well maybe it's too soon lol. But Philly had a lot of bonding scenes before it even came to the physical affair. It started in 2015 before the recast. A lot of things have happened that could have made them develop feelings for each other. All this support, being there for each other, always having their backs.They even needed a month and a half from the 1st to the 2nd kiss (or from sexual phantasies to sex). That's not very fast in soap standards. Of course it could be slower, but that's just not how soaps operate these days. And maybe there's a reason why lol.
Now it is SSM's chance to write a great slow love story. If she will write a better story I'll be here to :cheer: it. But she hasn't even started yet (with new romances).
Edited by thepadange, Feb 1 2017, 05:58 AM.
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