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Spoilers for the Week of September 4th
Topic Started: Aug 21 2017, 11:22 AM (24,670 Views)
lysie


MissLola
Aug 24 2017, 09:20 AM
Heatherlynn
Aug 24 2017, 09:05 AM
It wasn't murder nick the pycopath drove her too it and I say this as a non Gabi fan
Um... No. Picking up a gun and shooting an unarmed man is murder. It doesn't matter if he was a horrible person or not. :mellow:
It was murder, but I think a good soap lawyer could have gotten her off entirely.
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MissLola
Aug 24 2017, 09:20 AM
Heatherlynn
Aug 24 2017, 09:05 AM
It wasn't murder nick the pycopath drove her too it and I say this as a non Gabi fan
Um... No. Picking up a gun and shooting an unarmed man is murder. It doesn't matter if he was a horrible person or not. :mellow:

I thought Gabi was justified. I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but that's how I feel. And I'm generally a pacifist, so this is an an unusual opinion for me to have.

I give a bit of the blame to "Kami" (Kate and Sami).
To clarify, I'm *not* blaming Sami and Kate for Nick's death.

I blame Kami and the writers for the set-up, for the series of events ... that eventually led Gabi to feel she had no choice but to kill him.

But I was pissed at Kate and Sami for telling Gabi that she shouldn't report that she hit Nick with the rock in self-defense because he was trying to rape her. When they all made the false assumption that Nick was dead, Gabi wanted to report the entire incident to the police, but "Kami" wouldn't let her, and they convinced her to help them throw Nick's "assumed-dead" body into the river.

The whole thing that "Kami" set in motion, played into the whole OUTDATED societal idea that abused women shouldn't stand up unashamedly and out their abusers. When Nick later surfaced alive, he began blackmailing ... and he tried to convince Gabi to love him again, and Gabi felt she ought to try to make it work, and she did.

Then when Nick got more and more controlling, it didn't occur to Gabi that she could confide in anyone about it. She did, sort of, eventually. But she wasn't confident that society would support her.

It should have been written that she outed the whole scenario: Nick trying to rape her, her "Near-Killing" him with a rock in self-defense, him coming back and trying to control her. She should have been written as confident that her friends and community would support her in getting free of Nick.

But instead, the writers chose to write Gabi as sincerely feeling she had no other choice than to kill Nick "because he was never going to stop". (I think she said something like that).

I never watched Nick 1.0 that many of you watched and loved.

The only Nick I saw was Nick 2.0 who was vile and disgusting, and I was glad he was gone.

Let me rephrase my opening statement.
I said I felt Gabi was justified in killing Nick.
I didn't mean that literally but ... I meant it sort of indirectly.
I feel that the way that the show was written, it was written that Gabi sincerely felt that she had no options. So I understood what she did.
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lifewithrox


nananana7
Aug 24 2017, 09:42 AM
MissLola
Aug 24 2017, 09:20 AM
Heatherlynn
Aug 24 2017, 09:05 AM
It wasn't murder nick the pycopath drove her too it and I say this as a non Gabi fan
Um... No. Picking up a gun and shooting an unarmed man is murder. It doesn't matter if he was a horrible person or not. :mellow:

I thought Gabi was justified. I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but that's how I feel. And I'm generally a pacifist, so this is an an unusual opinion for me to have.

I give a bit of the blame to "Kami" (Kate and Sami).
To clarify, I'm *not* blaming Sami and Kate for Nick's death.

I blame Kami and the writers for the set-up, for the series of events ... that eventually led Gabi to feel she had no choice but to kill him.

But I was pissed at Kate and Sami for telling Gabi that she shouldn't report that she hit Nick with the rock in self-defense because he was trying to rape her. When they all made the false assumption that Nick was dead, Gabi wanted to report the entire incident to the police, but "Kami" wouldn't let her, and they convinced her to help them throw Nick's "assumed-dead" body into the river.

The whole thing that "Kami" set in motion, played into the whole OUTDATED societal idea that abused women shouldn't stand up unashamedly and out their abusers. When Nick later surfaced alive, he began blackmailing ... and he tried to convince Gabi to love him again, and Gabi felt she ought to try to make it work, and she did.

Then when Nick got more and more controlling, it didn't occur to Gabi that she could confide in anyone about it. She did, sort of, eventually. But she wasn't confident that society would support her.

It should have been written that she outed the whole scenario: Nick trying to rape her, her "Near-Killing" him with a rock in self-defense, him coming back and trying to control her. She should have been written as confident that her friends and community would support her in getting free of Nick.

But instead, the writers chose to write Gabi as sincerely feeling she had no other choice than to kill Nick "because he was never going to stop". (I think she said something like that).

I never watched Nick 1.0 that many of you watched and loved.

The only Nick I saw was Nick 2.0 who was vile and disgusting, and I was glad he was gone.

Let me rephrase my opening statement.
I said I felt Gabi was justified in killing Nick.
I didn't mean that literally but ... I meant it sort of indirectly.
I feel that the way that the show was written, it was written that Gabi sincerely felt that she had no options. So I understood what she did.
Nick 1.0 sacrificed at the altar of Jonas. #StillMad
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Gabi killed Nick because he was blackmailing her. She basically said that. If she had come forward..her life would have been ruined.
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lifewithrox


Wasn't new stuff supposed to start airing in September.

I'm waiting. Not so patiently.
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Heatherlynn


Yes she should have told about the attempted rape and the rock and river stuff . The fact is though Gabi was an abused woman and I hate how some in society blame the victim.nick was a homophobic child stealing abusive jerk he had it comming
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lifewithrox
Aug 24 2017, 11:55 AM
Wasn't new stuff supposed to start airing in September.

I'm waiting. Not so patiently.
I agree - my patience is being tested right now.

I want to see some BIG directional changes...and right now I am not seeing that.

I need NEW and I need exciting.
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Heatherlynn


It's not Sept yet though and dena's mess is still being closed out.things are a lot better thank God
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Mitchapalooza
Aug 24 2017, 12:13 PM
lifewithrox
Aug 24 2017, 11:55 AM
Wasn't new stuff supposed to start airing in September.

I'm waiting. Not so patiently.
I agree - my patience is being tested right now.

I want to see some BIG directional changes...and right now I am not seeing that.

I need NEW and I need exciting.
I feel like we knew that not much would happens until September so I'm not disappointed.

I'm hoping that the period between Labor Day and Thanksgiving is a lot better. If the show doesn't gain some momentum during those months, I will be very disappointed.
Edited by Hugo, Aug 24 2017, 12:43 PM.
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lifewithrox
Aug 24 2017, 09:49 AM
nananana7
Aug 24 2017, 09:42 AM
MissLola
Aug 24 2017, 09:20 AM

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I thought Gabi was justified. I know that's an unpopular opinion here, but that's how I feel. And I'm generally a pacifist, so this is an an unusual opinion for me to have.

I give a bit of the blame to "Kami" (Kate and Sami).
To clarify, I'm *not* blaming Sami and Kate for Nick's death.

I blame Kami and the writers for the set-up, for the series of events ... that eventually led Gabi to feel she had no choice but to kill him.

But I was pissed at Kate and Sami for telling Gabi that she shouldn't report that she hit Nick with the rock in self-defense because he was trying to rape her. When they all made the false assumption that Nick was dead, Gabi wanted to report the entire incident to the police, but "Kami" wouldn't let her, and they convinced her to help them throw Nick's "assumed-dead" body into the river.

The whole thing that "Kami" set in motion, played into the whole OUTDATED societal idea that abused women shouldn't stand up unashamedly and out their abusers. When Nick later surfaced alive, he began blackmailing ... and he tried to convince Gabi to love him again, and Gabi felt she ought to try to make it work, and she did.

Then when Nick got more and more controlling, it didn't occur to Gabi that she could confide in anyone about it. She did, sort of, eventually. But she wasn't confident that society would support her.

It should have been written that she outed the whole scenario: Nick trying to rape her, her "Near-Killing" him with a rock in self-defense, him coming back and trying to control her. She should have been written as confident that her friends and community would support her in getting free of Nick.

But instead, the writers chose to write Gabi as sincerely feeling she had no other choice than to kill Nick "because he was never going to stop". (I think she said something like that).

I never watched Nick 1.0 that many of you watched and loved.

The only Nick I saw was Nick 2.0 who was vile and disgusting, and I was glad he was gone.

Let me rephrase my opening statement.
I said I felt Gabi was justified in killing Nick.
I didn't mean that literally but ... I meant it sort of indirectly.
I feel that the way that the show was written, it was written that Gabi sincerely felt that she had no options. So I understood what she did.
Nick 1.0 sacrificed at the altar of Jonas. #StillMad
One of the most nuanced, unique, and multifaceted new characters created on this show in decades. Beautifully acted, offbeat without being a cartoon, easy to root for.

What a waste.
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I think we're used to big shifts right away. Ron's easing into it, for better or worse. I'm going to give him some more time. We all want instant gratification. Dena turned the show into a total mess, between her and Griffith characters became unlikeable and trashed. Don't forget we have Will, Sami, Kristen/etc., Eve coming back, Nicole FINALLY leaving ... I think things will shift in time.
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Mitchapalooza
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KMan101
Aug 24 2017, 01:03 PM
I think we're used to big shifts right away. Ron's easing into it, for better or worse. I'm going to give him some more time. We all want instant gratification. Dena turned the show into a total mess, between her and Griffith characters became unlikeable and trashed. Don't forget we have Will, Sami, Kristen/etc., Eve coming back, Nicole FINALLY leaving ... I think things will shift in time.
He has been here for a month and I am only seeing SLIGHT marginal improvement....I was expecting more TBH.

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Lovejm


Mitchapalooza
Aug 24 2017, 01:07 PM
KMan101
Aug 24 2017, 01:03 PM
I think we're used to big shifts right away. Ron's easing into it, for better or worse. I'm going to give him some more time. We all want instant gratification. Dena turned the show into a total mess, between her and Griffith characters became unlikeable and trashed. Don't forget we have Will, Sami, Kristen/etc., Eve coming back, Nicole FINALLY leaving ... I think things will shift in time.
He has been here for a month and I am only seeing SLIGHT marginal improvement....I was expecting more TBH.

I think it's way more than marginal improvement over Dena. People are having logical connections to others including family. People are getting to have their own POV's again. I think the problem lies in that some of these characters/couples just aren't good. But that's a bigger issue than the writing.
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Mitchapalooza
Aug 24 2017, 01:07 PM
KMan101
Aug 24 2017, 01:03 PM
I think we're used to big shifts right away. Ron's easing into it, for better or worse. I'm going to give him some more time. We all want instant gratification. Dena turned the show into a total mess, between her and Griffith characters became unlikeable and trashed. Don't forget we have Will, Sami, Kristen/etc., Eve coming back, Nicole FINALLY leaving ... I think things will shift in time.
He has been here for a month and I am only seeing SLIGHT marginal improvement....I was expecting more TBH.

I see a lot of improvement day to day. The canvas feels connected. He's done what he can to fix Nicole/Eric, Chad/Abby. He's given Deidre and Judi and Bryan things to do (whether I like it all or not is something else). The dialogue is better. The interactions are better. Characters who've lacked a POV are getting one.

I see lots of little things. Story-wise? No, the show really hasn't improved. But it's been a month. I'm willing to give that some time.

Can I ask what you expected to see?
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Lovejm


Here's the other thing about immediate resets. We've had a LOT of them. And they start like gangbusters and then wear off and a few months later we're back to crap. So maybe this approach is worth giving a shot

They also made it really clear the full transition was September.
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lysie


Heatherlynn
Aug 24 2017, 12:08 PM
Yes she should have told about the attempted rape and the rock and river stuff . The fact is though Gabi was an abused woman and I hate how some in society blame the victim.nick was a homophobic child stealing abusive jerk he had it comming
That's not victim blaming. Unless you mean how you just Blamed the murder victim for his own murder. Nick was the murder victim. Gabi was a victim of his manipulations. The victim blaming you're referring to would be blaming Gabi for how nick treated her. I think it'd have been easy to get Gabi off, but she still murdered him.
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lysie


Lovejm
Aug 24 2017, 02:04 PM
Here's the other thing about immediate resets. We've had a LOT of them. And they start like gangbusters and then wear off and a few months later we're back to crap. So maybe this approach is worth giving a shot

They also made it really clear the full transition was September.
This is how I felt before it started airing, but now I wish it were much more drastic.
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lifewithrox


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Aug 24 2017, 12:15 PM
It's not Sept yet though and dena's mess is still being closed out.things are a lot better thank God
These spoilers are for September. I know it's not September yet. I'm wanting some spoilers to reflect something new.
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Heatherlynn


lysie
Aug 24 2017, 02:05 PM
Heatherlynn
Aug 24 2017, 12:08 PM
Yes she should have told about the attempted rape and the rock and river stuff . The fact is though Gabi was an abused woman and I hate how some in society blame the victim.nick was a homophobic child stealing abusive jerk he had it comming
That's not victim blaming. Unless you mean how you just Blamed the murder victim for his own murder. Nick was the murder victim. Gabi was a victim of his manipulations. The victim blaming you're referring to would be blaming Gabi for how nick treated her. I think it'd have been easy to get Gabi off, but she still murdered him.
Had she told justin about all that happened he might have been able to prove self defense or a lesser charge at minimum .and I don't blame Gabi but yes I blame Nick .he was abusive manipulative to his family .treated his cousin will like dirt .had Julie actually done something to help him instead of all the ranting she does he could have maybe been helped but yes Nick's actions led to his death
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Monday Sept 4th
Days is preempted by the PGA Golf Deutsche Bank Finals
http://www.jason47.com/days/episodeguide2017.html
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