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Topic Started: Aug 28 2017, 07:15 PM (21,952 Views)
Partnersincrime
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sonny deserves the attitude from lucas sonny seem to care marlena feeling over he getting married again but he ignored lucas feeling
Sonny is raising will child so if he married paul it means paul will be part of arianna something will not want to since will had problem with paul
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

JTClassicSoaps
Aug 29 2017, 01:15 PM
It likely won't last but Lucas having issues with Paul would make me love him so much more.
I do hope it lasts at least a little bit, although it's sort of unfounded, because the one that was at fault with the entire affair thing was Will....but I like that Lucas even with Will dead is still in his corner
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Come on Ron, We are counting on YOU !!

laurondo
Aug 29 2017, 01:14 PM
LuvingLumi
Aug 29 2017, 12:38 PM
laurondo
Aug 29 2017, 01:49 AM
Gabi is only important because she's Arianna HORTON's mom. Otherwise lol, important my ass.

Lucas has a problem with Sonny moving on? Sonny has been dating Paul for how long now? He should've already had a problem if he was going to.

What exactly is a cops worst nightmare... (re: JJ)
I could see him having a problem with Sonny getting married, though.
It just seems ridiculous that he would have a problem with Sonny moving on NOW. Did he just assume Sonny would never marry again? That's not how this works lol
Maybe he just assumed Sonny would date Paul longer before making a solid commitment as a marriage is. I also wonder if raising Arianna would come into play as to why Lucas would be opposed to Sonny and Paul's marriage.
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LuvingLumi
Aug 29 2017, 12:33 PM
Cimz
Aug 28 2017, 07:35 PM
For me, that runs the whole spectrum.

There's absolutely dreadful: neither Hope nor Rafe has any business being commissioner, and Kate/Andre.

There's boring/not my thing: Gabi the paragon of virtue, road trip to Memphis.

There's neutral: Steve/Kayla/Tripp.

There's enjoying-it-in-the-wrong way: Bonnie can please make Maggie suffer.

There's cautiously interested: JJ shoots Theo, while knocking up Theo's sister.

There's unfortunately I'm a sucker for this: Eric/Nicole/Brady and anything Lucas.

but...but...but Sami.....you didn't say anything about her?

Hmmmmm
She's probably in both the Memphis thing and whatever Lucas is doing. She's probably in everything, so I automatically included her whether I wanted to or not. So I'll hate her Ejami and WilSon stuff because I hate Ejami and Wilson, and like it when she sticks her nose into her siblings' business because I love her family of origin.
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six
Aug 29 2017, 10:43 AM
JoeBucs32
Aug 29 2017, 08:42 AM
The minute that "Adrienne" starts making the moves on Victor, wouldn't Maggie and Justin immediately know it's not really her? So dumb!
Nobody seems to realize that Adrienne has a lookalike, so they probably won't think it's not her. They'll probably just think she's having some sort of breakdown as a result of the cancer, or experiencing side effects from the treatment.
Haha -- that's because Bonnie was never supposed to be a lookalike -- which makes this whole story completely stupid.

Not Ron's best moment by far....
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jwsel
Aug 29 2017, 01:33 AM
I'm very nervous about the JJ/Theo storyline. I can see Ron and KC thinking this is a good opportunity to write something socially relevant, but I just don't see how it can work in execution. There is no realistic way to deal with a police officer shooting a young black man without bringing race into the story, but how do they do that? I can't imagine JJ is going to be portrayed as shooting Theo because of his race. Even if they try to be more nuanced and tried to attribute JJ's actions to unconscious racial bias, it still tarnishes the character. But if they don't do that, how do they avoid making JJ the victim of unfounded accusations of racism and trivializing/dismissing the very real-world concerns about police abuse toward minority communities? I suspect the storyline would work better if the shooter was a short-term character.
I don't think Days is going to do much with the racial aspect; it's just not that kind of show. However, I do think that JJ could survive as a character if they said he shot Theo due to unconscious racial bias if they also had him do a lot of soul searching, take responsibility and work to overcome his bias. It could be the sort of storyline that soaps used to embrace.
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Partnersincrime
Aug 29 2017, 02:00 PM
sonny deserves the attitude from lucas sonny seem to care marlena feeling over he getting married again but he ignored lucas feeling
Sonny is raising will child so if he married paul it means paul will be part of arianna something will not want to since will had problem with paul
So Sonny has to consider everyone's feeling about his love life but not his own feelings!? How is that even fair lol
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DiMera87
Aug 29 2017, 07:53 AM
Lovejm
Aug 29 2017, 07:51 AM
DiMera87
Aug 29 2017, 07:47 AM
I'm all-in. Ron can write great soap so I don't even really care who is the "focus." He will use the cast as an ensemble and that's why he got fired from GH! I mostly like the people getting focus anyway here.

I think the show is going to be totally balls to the walls in October and beyond. I definitely have people that I would prefer to get story, but they'll get their turn around January/February. We'll see how this all goes but I'm willing to bet that I'm personally going to love the show come October.
LOL the nerve of an ensemble at GH!
Don't worry. No one will ever try that again.
The hilarious part is that despite one year (gasp!) Mo was still at the top of the episode count yearly. It was just massively reduced from Guza years.
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The preview sounds decent! I'm excited for most of these stuff.
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Goldielox
Aug 29 2017, 11:42 AM
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Aug 29 2017, 02:41 AM
jwsel
Aug 29 2017, 01:33 AM
I'm very nervous about the JJ/Theo storyline. I can see Ron and KC thinking this is a good opportunity to write something socially relevant, but I just don't see how it can work in execution. There is no realistic way to deal with a police officer shooting a young black man without bringing race into the story, but how do they do that? I can't imagine JJ is going to be portrayed as shooting Theo because of his race. Even if they try to be more nuanced and tried to attribute JJ's actions to unconscious racial bias, it still tarnishes the character. But if they don't do that, how do they avoid making JJ the victim of unfounded accusations of racism and trivializing/dismissing the very real-world concerns about police abuse toward minority communities? I suspect the storyline would work better if the shooter was a short-term character.
I think that if Ron is willing to go there, that must mean he's passionate about this issue and won't trivialize it. I think the fact that the audience knows and loves both characters is a good start.
JJ accidentally shoots Theo, who he's known since childhood (Abby babysat him), but because it's a white police/black man situation, people who don't know JJ jump to the wrong conclusion about him. There's a story there about a good man being perceived in a bad way and struggling to restore his reputation because of people's biases and assumptions. The same goes for Theo. Even though it was a misunderstanding (or he was caught in a crossfire, etc), a lot of people could assume he's a criminal because of the color of his skin. It happens every day.
I swear if they write this story as JJ(!!!) fighting people's bias' against him I will scream. This is so not the climate for that.
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Naya
Aug 29 2017, 03:00 PM
Partnersincrime
Aug 29 2017, 02:00 PM
sonny deserves the attitude from lucas sonny seem to care marlena feeling over he getting married again but he ignored lucas feeling
Sonny is raising will child so if he married paul it means paul will be part of arianna something will not want to since will had problem with paul
So Sonny has to consider everyone's feeling about his love life but not his own feelings!? How is that even fair lol
If arianna was not in the middle he should not consider anyone feeling but since arianna is not his biological child and lucas is only consistent in her since sonny was year in Europe and gabi was year in jail and how sonny can consider marlena feeling of telling he getting married and ignored lucas feeling either consider both or ignored both
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Goldielox
Aug 29 2017, 11:42 AM
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Aug 29 2017, 02:41 AM
jwsel
Aug 29 2017, 01:33 AM
I'm very nervous about the JJ/Theo storyline. I can see Ron and KC thinking this is a good opportunity to write something socially relevant, but I just don't see how it can work in execution. There is no realistic way to deal with a police officer shooting a young black man without bringing race into the story, but how do they do that? I can't imagine JJ is going to be portrayed as shooting Theo because of his race. Even if they try to be more nuanced and tried to attribute JJ's actions to unconscious racial bias, it still tarnishes the character. But if they don't do that, how do they avoid making JJ the victim of unfounded accusations of racism and trivializing/dismissing the very real-world concerns about police abuse toward minority communities? I suspect the storyline would work better if the shooter was a short-term character.
I think that if Ron is willing to go there, that must mean he's passionate about this issue and won't trivialize it. I think the fact that the audience knows and loves both characters is a good start.
JJ accidentally shoots Theo, who he's known since childhood (Abby babysat him), but because it's a white police/black man situation, people who don't know JJ jump to the wrong conclusion about him. There's a story there about a good man being perceived in a bad way and struggling to restore his reputation because of people's biases and assumptions. The same goes for Theo. Even though it was a misunderstanding (or he was caught in a crossfire, etc), a lot of people could assume he's a criminal because of the color of his skin. It happens every day.
That is exactly my concern. If it's an accident on JJ's part, any accusations of racism would be dismissed as unfair and overreactions. The story becomes JJ is a victim. That sends a simplistic message about police shootings and race. But the point of BLM is that race cannot be dismissed. Even in an unfortunate accident, race can infect the police officer's perception. Does he see a black man as more of a threat than he would a white man? Does he unconsciously assume he is in danger because of the wrongly perceived threats? Those are very valid questions to ask of any shooting.

If the show does what esp13 does, and addresses unconscious bias and how it affects perceptions, this storyline could accomplish a lot. But if it is just JJ made a mistake and is being unfairly attacked by those who would accuse the Salem PD of racism, the show could get a lot of backlash and be accused of white-washing police abuse.
Edited by jwsel, Aug 29 2017, 03:33 PM.
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Partnersincrime
Aug 29 2017, 03:17 PM
Naya
Aug 29 2017, 03:00 PM
Partnersincrime
Aug 29 2017, 02:00 PM
sonny deserves the attitude from lucas sonny seem to care marlena feeling over he getting married again but he ignored lucas feeling
Sonny is raising will child so if he married paul it means paul will be part of arianna something will not want to since will had problem with paul
So Sonny has to consider everyone's feeling about his love life but not his own feelings!? How is that even fair lol
If arianna was not in the middle he should not consider anyone feeling but since arianna is not his biological child and lucas is only consistent in her since sonny was year in Europe and gabi was year in jail and how sonny can consider marlena feeling of telling he getting married and ignored lucas feeling either consider both or ignored both


We don't know Sonny doesn't plan to talk to Lucas, though. Sonny mentioned Marlena to Paul, because that's Paul's stepmother, whom he's fairly close to, and it was reasonable to assume that he planned to talk to her. Either way, while it's polite for him to talk to Lucas (and Marlena), he's not obligated to shape his life around their feelings. The majority of Will's issues with Paul stemmed from Will being a petulant child. There's no reason to think Paul would harm Arianna in any way.
Edited by six, Aug 29 2017, 03:40 PM.
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Aug 29 2017, 03:07 PM
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Aug 29 2017, 11:42 AM
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Aug 29 2017, 02:41 AM

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JJ accidentally shoots Theo, who he's known since childhood (Abby babysat him), but because it's a white police/black man situation, people who don't know JJ jump to the wrong conclusion about him. There's a story there about a good man being perceived in a bad way and struggling to restore his reputation because of people's biases and assumptions. The same goes for Theo. Even though it was a misunderstanding (or he was caught in a crossfire, etc), a lot of people could assume he's a criminal because of the color of his skin. It happens every day.
I swear if they write this story as JJ(!!!) fighting people's bias' against him I will scream. This is so not the climate for that.
You're right, it's not. We're all jumping to conclusions anyway based on KPs leak of his last scenes. We've also seen footage of MA on set and JJ appeared to be in the hospital too, speculating that he may have been near death or hallucinating. Maybe he gets shot and Theo saves him or gets caught in the crossfire.
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Hannah Scorpio
Aug 29 2017, 03:07 PM
Goldielox
Aug 29 2017, 11:42 AM
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Aug 29 2017, 02:41 AM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
JJ accidentally shoots Theo, who he's known since childhood (Abby babysat him), but because it's a white police/black man situation, people who don't know JJ jump to the wrong conclusion about him. There's a story there about a good man being perceived in a bad way and struggling to restore his reputation because of people's biases and assumptions. The same goes for Theo. Even though it was a misunderstanding (or he was caught in a crossfire, etc), a lot of people could assume he's a criminal because of the color of his skin. It happens every day.
I swear if they write this story as JJ(!!!) fighting people's bias' against him I will scream. This is so not the climate for that.
I have faith in RC, but I'd just be prepared. This is the same show that recently built a love story around one cop murdering an innocent* man and another one covering it up. And now the one cop who had enough integrity to have an issue with it is going to jail so that one of the dirty cops can have his job. I still don't understand how multiple people thought any of this was a good idea in the current climate.


*Innocent of the crime Hope suspected him of.
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I like JJ and I want relevant stories but tackling this issues without the right sensitivities is,,,, not smart. Does Days even have ONE black writer? No matter the right intentions, I don't think the story could be done justice without someone who's experience various forms of discrimination from law enforcement.

Besides, JJ and Theo have known each other forever. How would this even go down? And the Salem PD has always been portrayed pretty progressively in the past.

*** Hope and Rafe's Stefano plot not included
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Bellarke <3

Can JJ be considered racist when he's dating an AA detective? Especially, since his gf is the victim's sister.

I thought there was a pic of CM with blood on his shirt. So maybe JJ was shot during the shootout along with Theo.
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Bellarke <3

I'm not liking that Lucas has an issue with Paulson getting married. It reminds me when Will came out and started dating Sonny and they made Lucas not accepting it right away. I know that it's a plot point for WILL, but it's a bit late for them to have Lucas be vocal about Paul and Sonny when he never said anything against them and they have been dating for months. :rolleyes:
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Aug 29 2017, 04:10 PM
Can JJ be considered racist when he's dating an AA detective? Especially, since his gf is the victim's sister.

I thought there was a pic of CM with blood on his shirt. So maybe JJ was shot during the shootout along with Theo.
Actually, this would be the sort of thing it would be nice for a show to tackle. From lifelong personal experience - dating, being friends with or having a child who's part of a certain group does not mean you're free of bias toward that group. Even being a member the group doesn't mean you're immune from absorbing some of society's bias about said group.
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Aug 29 2017, 04:10 PM
Can JJ be considered racist when he's dating an AA detective? Especially, since his gf is the victim's sister.

I thought there was a pic of CM with blood on his shirt. So maybe JJ was shot during the shootout along with Theo.
As far as we've seen JJ is not racist.

But generally speaking, of course racists can feel attraction to black people. Look at slavemasters raping their slaves. A racist being with a light skin black woman is not unusually. Look at that owner of the LA Clippers who repeatedly voiced inflammatory things about black people WHILE dating a black woman. Hell, even Donald Trump has dated a black woman, does that mean he's not racist?

But again, nothing about JJ's character has even hinted at him being racist.
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