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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 4 2017, 02:06 PM (8,829 Views)
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Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 04:09 PM
bygnedys
Sep 5 2017, 04:06 PM
What I don't like is the Dimeras got away with most of what they did to people. So did Ava, but when anyone fights back they are the bad guys. Yeah, they shouldn't have had Joey be the killer, but someone needed to get rid of her. JMO. It should have been Steve that killed her, he brought her into their lives.
I don't think it's about making the good guys the bad guys. But it can bring a 'good guy' down to the bad guy level. That's what's supposed to separate them. Now joey showed a ton of remorse, Hope didn't. But it doesn't change the fact they took lives.
I struggle with that one a bit because it removes all the differences between what Ava or Stefano did to push Hope or Joey to the point where they did what they did. I don't think Joey killing Ava or Hope killing Stefano makes them just as bad, or even drags them to those levels. I don't think Abby burning Ben in the bed makes her as bad as Ben. Where the show failed in Hope and Joey's cases is the aftermath, not the act. Hope biggest problem is joining in Rafe's decision to not just hide the crime, but frame Andre for it. And since Joey confessed multiple times, including to a cop, and nobody did anything, he can't even be faulted for that.

At the same time, I do understand that if the good guys do the same things the bad guys do, then why do we care about the good guys at all. Joey did need to face consequences for what he did and I do wish the show would have handled Steve's decision to cover for him differently. The Hope thing is a big mess all the way around and I don't think it's fixable at this point, even if Stefano was magically still alive. But, in the end, I can't pretend that I think Hope or Rafe or Joey or Steve or Kayla or Will (he shot EJ and hid in Europe) or Marlena (injected Stefano and put him in a coma) or John (got the ISA to cover for Steve) or any of those good guys that did "bad" things are anywhere near the Stefano/Victor/Lawrence/Ava levels of bad. In each case, the person was pushed to extremes or sought to protect somebody they believed was pushed to extremes and those motivations do matter to me.
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People seem to forget what Tripp did to Kayla. I can't even stand Tripps sad face. It doesn't make me feel sorry for him. I love that Kayla got that little jab in about her losing time at her job. At least, Ron hasn't forgotten that!

Steve has a lot of nerve telling Kayla to hear Tripp out. He's lucky Kayla wants to be in the same room with Tripp. Then he doesn't understand why Kayla is acting the way she is. Pisses me off

Was surprised that Kayla called out Steve for not being there for Steph and Joey. It feels right that Kayla would feel this way. Love that Ron studied S/K history and knows the reasons why. I appreciate that Steve voiced that.

Mary Beth broke my heart again. She had me tearing up today with that story of little Joey.

I'm pissed that Kayla took the Vitali blood money.

My problem with the direction of this storyline is that it feels like Ron is writing Kayla as being in the wrong but I see Steve as the one who is being insensitive and uncaring of Kayla's feelings. Kayla is being asked to be the selfless one and accept Tripp into their lives like what he did doesn't matter.

As for the rest..

I'd have rather be watching Justin and Adrienne then Justin and Bonnie.

I like Raines and wish he'd shoot Gaby in the head.
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Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 11:23 AM
Raines tells Gabi her entire family is trouble. Gun to her head.
Why is it always Gabi that needs rescued? Why can'T they ever have the woman overpower the assailant? Even if he is the police commissioner.

They always make the woman seem weak and unable to fight back.
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Not feeling Kayla's extreme hate for Tripp.


Where's the extreme hate? Kayla loved and welcomed him into the family and he repaid her by trying to sabotage her career and holding a blade to her neck. Not to mention I'll never forget how he threw her to the floor.
I think Kayla is allowed a little hesitancy in building a relationship with him again
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Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 11:21 AM
Tripp says he needs a place to live. Claire suggests there. theo not happy
I thought he had his own place
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Sep 5 2017, 05:43 PM
Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 11:21 AM
Tripp says he needs a place to live. Claire suggests there. theo not happy
I thought he had his own place
He just gave up all of his money.
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I don't mind this story for Steve and Kayla. I like family drama and as long as I don't have to see Ava's face ever again it doesn't bother me that this is their story for the fall. What little we'll see of them.
I mean I don't like Tripp but we'll see if Ron can change my mind about him. So far he's not doing a good job with that.
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I don't expect the show to directly bring up Tripp's misdeeds toward Kayla much anymore because I think the writers may see it as counterintuitive to their goal of "redeeming" him. If that's what they're doing, they don't really understand how good redemption stories work...but that's just my interpretation as to why they're focusing more on Kayla's feelings about Joey than Tripp's actual actions. They don't want to put in the work needed for a good redemption, so they're kind of using the "out of sight, out of mind" shortcut.
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Now that I've actually watched the teens... yes, it turns out that I still like all three of them.

I don't think Theo's parading around in the towel was bad at all. Claire came home unexpectedly-- after explicitly telling Theo that she would be working through dinner-- and turned off his music. He came out of the shower to see what was going on. They talked for less than a minute, mostly about why he was standing there in a towel, before he said he needed to get dressed and did just that.

Claire certainly has no problem handling any issues she may or may not have with Theo, as evidenced by her announcing that if he won't deal with the roommate issue he can ride his high horse out of the apartment (hee!) and volunteering him to help carry Tripp's stuff inside. And she doesn't let the guys drink out of the carton, and good for her.

I like Theo even with his rigid refusal to deal with things and his completely unfair rationale for dumping Claire.

I like Claire even with her bossy, dramatic streak.

And I like Tripp, as long as he remains very very sorry for the crap he pulled with Kayla.

I wish we were looking at a quad with Ciara where both girls have feelings for both guys and vice versa, instead of two successive triangles.
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Yea, I know things aren't black and white, which is why I said I knew Ava was evil, but Kayla always puts all blame on Ava. She never wonders how her son could do what he did. I think it's a big deal that a young guy could kill someone, I don't care who it is.


Kayla just didnt want her son to go to jail. She wanted him to continue therapy. It's even crueler that her son is in jail over something to do with Ava. That's twisting the knife. I think her feelings are completely understandable.
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kay
Sep 5 2017, 05:41 PM
Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 11:23 AM
Raines tells Gabi her entire family is trouble. Gun to her head.
Why is it always Gabi that needs rescued? Why can'T they ever have the woman overpower the assailant? Even if he is the police commissioner.

They always make the woman seem weak and unable to fight back.
I believe Hope or Lani could overpower her assailant using her super cop skills.

I believe Kayla or Valerie or Marlena could overpower her assailant using medical knowledge to hit just the right spot.

I believe Nicole could overpower her assailant by tapping into her natural ability to fight dirty.

I believe Jennifer or Abby or Chloe could outwit her assailant and get away.

Gabi needing to be rescued... sounds about right. Twit. :tounge:
Edited by Cimz, Sep 5 2017, 06:04 PM.
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Cimz
Sep 5 2017, 06:02 PM
kay
Sep 5 2017, 05:41 PM
Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 11:23 AM
Raines tells Gabi her entire family is trouble. Gun to her head.
Why is it always Gabi that needs rescued? Why can'T they ever have the woman overpower the assailant? Even if he is the police commissioner.

They always make the woman seem weak and unable to fight back.
I believe Hope or Lani could overpower her assailant using their super cop skills.

I believe Kayla or Valerie or Marlena could overpower her assailant using medical knowledge to hit just the right spot.

I believe Nicole could overpower her assailant by tapping into her natural ability to fight dirty.

I believe Jennifer or Abby or Chloe could outwit her assailant and get away.

Gabi needing to be rescued... sounds about right. Twit. :tounge:
Abby was unable to get away from Ben when she was held hostage. The police ended up rescuing her. :shrug:
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Sep 5 2017, 06:05 PM
Cimz
Sep 5 2017, 06:02 PM
kay
Sep 5 2017, 05:41 PM

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I believe Hope or Lani could overpower her assailant using their super cop skills.

I believe Kayla or Valerie or Marlena could overpower her assailant using medical knowledge to hit just the right spot.

I believe Nicole could overpower her assailant by tapping into her natural ability to fight dirty.

I believe Jennifer or Abby or Chloe could outwit her assailant and get away.

Gabi needing to be rescued... sounds about right. Twit. :tounge:
Abby was unable to get away from Ben when she was held hostage. The police ended up rescuing her. :shrug:
Abby was pregnant and put up a really good fight in Will's apartment though. I think he threw her against a wall.
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Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 06:08 PM
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Sep 5 2017, 06:05 PM
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Sep 5 2017, 06:02 PM

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Abby was unable to get away from Ben when she was held hostage. The police ended up rescuing her. :shrug:
Abby was pregnant and put up a really good fight in Will's apartment though. I think he threw her against a wall.
I know. I'm just saying we've seen Abby in a similar situation, and she didn't outwit him in the end. She was rescued.

Like, I understand the Gabi hate, but I just don't share it to the extent that others do.
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cord08
Sep 5 2017, 06:13 PM
Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 06:08 PM
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Sep 5 2017, 06:05 PM

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Abby was pregnant and put up a really good fight in Will's apartment though. I think he threw her against a wall.
I know. I'm just saying we've seen Abby in a similar situation, and she didn't outwit him in the end. She was rescued.

Like, I understand the Gabi hate, but I just don't share it to the extent that others do.
Gabi's been in way too many of these situations in a short period of time. It's enough already. I get the fatigue.
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Sep 5 2017, 06:05 PM
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Sep 5 2017, 06:02 PM
kay
Sep 5 2017, 05:41 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep
I believe Hope or Lani could overpower her assailant using their super cop skills.

I believe Kayla or Valerie or Marlena could overpower her assailant using medical knowledge to hit just the right spot.

I believe Nicole could overpower her assailant by tapping into her natural ability to fight dirty.

I believe Jennifer or Abby or Chloe could outwit her assailant and get away.

Gabi needing to be rescued... sounds about right. Twit. :tounge:
Abby was unable to get away from Ben when she was held hostage. The police ended up rescuing her. :shrug:
All of the women I listed (well, I don't know about Valerie) have been rescued at some time or another. But I believe they could take care of themselves, and in most cases they have. Abby was a teenager when she drove herself off-road in the snow on Christmas Eve to get Max and Mimi out of the basement Victor threw them into. She can do the rescuing thing under the right circumstances.
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cord08
Sep 5 2017, 06:13 PM
Lovejm
Sep 5 2017, 06:08 PM
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Abby was pregnant and put up a really good fight in Will's apartment though. I think he threw her against a wall.
I know. I'm just saying we've seen Abby in a similar situation, and she didn't outwit him in the end. She was rescued.

Like, I understand the Gabi hate, but I just don't share it to the extent that others do.
Abby got out of handcuffs using a fork, tried to seduce Ben, stole his phone, etc. What stopped her was labor pain.
Edited by GoneGirl, Sep 5 2017, 06:23 PM.
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I really don't like the narrative of this Trick story. Kayla is not irrational, her anger is justified and I don't like how they're trying to undermine that by not allowing her to fully express her grievances.
Edited by GoneGirl, Sep 5 2017, 06:22 PM.
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Sep 5 2017, 06:21 PM
I really don't like the narrative of this Trick story. Kayla is not irrational, her anger is justified and I don't like how they're trying to undermine that by not allowing her to fully express her grievances.
Yeah, I don't know what Ron is going for. I feel like he's writing that Kayla is being unfair to Steve and Tripp but for me I only see Steve as being insensitive to Kayla's feelings.
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KBrady
Sep 5 2017, 06:27 PM
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Sep 5 2017, 06:21 PM
I really don't like the narrative of this Trick story. Kayla is not irrational, her anger is justified and I don't like how they're trying to undermine that by not allowing her to fully express her grievances.
Yeah, I don't know what Ron is going for. I feel like he's writing that Kayla is being unfair to Steve and Tripp but for me I only see Steve as being insensitive to Kayla's feelings.
Agreed. Look, I don't think Kayla is 100% right but I don't like the "Poor Trick" angle either.
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