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Friday, September 15, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 14 2017, 08:38 PM (11,220 Views)
KBrady
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Cimz
Sep 15 2017, 01:13 PM
KBrady
Sep 15 2017, 12:58 PM
Who cares that Bonnie was Hatties partner?!

Everyone who cares about Adrienne and doesn't want her sitting in prison for something she didn't do while Bonnie screws up her life?
I get that that is the story but everything plays like a plot device to me. It's like Lucas drinking again. I don't really feel for him because it all feels like a plot device to get to Will.
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Rosebud
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LOL at Justin taking out his yellow legal pad and scribbling indiscriminately.

Oh, look they got Chandler Massey to come back for an appearance. I had no idea.
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Amazee-Dayzee


I take it that Chabby and PaulSon were talking about their wedding in the church when drunk/fun Lucas came bursting in. Here's a question though: is Darby's marriage even ANNULLED yet?
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KBrady
Sep 15 2017, 01:41 PM
Cimz
Sep 15 2017, 01:13 PM
KBrady
Sep 15 2017, 12:58 PM
Who cares that Bonnie was Hatties partner?!

Everyone who cares about Adrienne and doesn't want her sitting in prison for something she didn't do while Bonnie screws up her life?
I get that that is the story but everything plays like a plot device to me. It's like Lucas drinking again. I don't really feel for him because it all feels like a plot device to get to Will.
Ultimately, everything on a soap is a plot device of one sort another. There is nothing wrong with that. What makes it good or bad is whether that's ALL it is and whether the character is used in a way that is in-character and consistent with the character's history. In Lucas's case, his relapse is partially a plot device, but it's also a character arc. It's also a family crisis. It also allows him to say things he'd never otherwise say to Sonny which, in turn, raises some issues for him and Paul. So yeah, it's a plot device, but it's being used in a way that has realistic impacts on the character, impacts other characters and stories in a realistic (for a soap) way, and sets up for additional story down the line. And it has the added benefit of not being out of character for Lucas (an alcoholic can always relapse) and is consistent with his history.

By the same token, Hattie not revealing that Bonnie was her accomplice is, I suppose, a plot device to keep Bonnie from being revealed. I can't quite praise that particular device because I'm still unclear where they are going with the Bonnie storyline. If it's just humor at the expense of making Adrienne's family seem increasingly dumb, then it's a bad choice. If it's going somewhere else, then it might end up being good. I'm not totally optimistic on that, but I'm not going to make a final judgment yet.
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Wow. Good show today! I was so taken by surprise by Lucas' harsh takedown of Sonny. At first, I was kind of mad about it but then I gave it some thought and I now think it was a good thing that Sonny got to experience that type of criticism first hand because he never had to before even when he deserved it. The bad thing is that were this to be IRL there would be some serious tension between Sonny/Lucas which is something Lucas cannot afford with the father of his grand-daughter. Alcohol brings out true feelings and now Sonny knows that Lucas has been hiding a lot of animosity against him and Paul for a long time.

Some other observations:.

Lucas' divorce rantings were like huge freaking anvils. It seems like neither PaulSon nor Chabby gets married next week. :shrug:

Why don't Kate just officially go join the circus? She's almost always appropriately dressed for a job there. I liked her flawed tough love scenes with Lucas but Kate was better with the "Adrienne" showdown.

Why was Gabi dressed for already for a wedding? She looked amazing and even matched the kiddie chairs in the Square but that dress was overkill for a day out with her young daughter.

Abe\Eli was kind of boring but Chabby is and has been worse for a while now. John/Marlena/Hattie/Bonnie/Justin were all good.

Overall, I'd like to start seeing some consistently in the writing. As of now, we are getting some shows that are great, very good, decent and terrible -all in the same week. This approach will not keep new viewers tuning in. There has to be a baseline to stride for. For example, how about we shoot for every show to be at least thought as decent in quality, sprinkle in a few very good episodes in during the month and then wow the audience with some great shows during sweeps? That's just my suggestion but something has to change if Ron expects to keep his momentum.
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shaun0921


There were some good moments during today's episode, Drunk Lucas and Batty Bonnie were the highlights as usual. BD is obviously having a ball with Lucas' return to the front burner. I loved Lucas blasting Paul & Sonny at St. Luke's for their treatment of Will before he died, there was so much truth in what he said, although he whitewashed Will's part. There was a lot of guilt, frustration and regret, you could sense it coming from Paul and Sonny, even in their replies to Lucas. I think if written properly, the Paul/Will/Sonny triangle has great potential.

Lucas came off as extremely paranoid with Gabi and Ari in the square though I understood that it was necessary to transition him to St. Luke's, it didn't make much sense for him to jump to that conclusion but he was drunk so hey. Kate/Lucas scenes at the DiMansion were great, always loved their complex mother/son relationship as far back to when he arrived in Salem from military school in the 90's. When Kate ran after him, it got to me. Later when she confronted Bonnie as Adrienne, it got me again. I'm glad RC is a writer that likes to mine familial relationships. Lucas/Kate is the friggin' dysfunctional gift that keeps on giving. I mean Drunk Lucas even killed a man to protect his mother and she covered it up, so there's a deep bond there, no doubt. Besides, he's the only child of hers, she actually raised. It also helps that these same actors have been in the roles for over 20 years. Wow that's amazing!

Judi Evans, please stay on as Bonnie. She's basically trapped herself. She's more of a prisoner now than she ever was in the real prison. Because now she's trapped in another person's life. The irony of this all. It's a golden handcuffs type of situation. So she can't run, she'd ultimately get caught and it's back to prison with more time added, so she may as well stay and try to finish the con. I wonder if RC had an endgame here? Obviously, Bonnie should be coming up with a way out because at this point, what is she going to do besides get caught? He really should've thought this through extensively because Judi Evans as Bonnie is really stealing the show. I want her to get caught but I want it be a bigger moment than Hattie's.

Marlena shrugging off her latest kidnapping ordeal to Abe like its a walk in the park? I mean I guess when you've been abducted countless times, it becomes second nature, maybe she's the one with PTSD? LOL...

Edited by shaun0921, Sep 15 2017, 03:09 PM.
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seanny
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Rosebud
Sep 15 2017, 12:49 PM
So, the SPD takes the FBI rejects again? Seriously, what FBI agent that gets fired would get an automatic hire at a police station? Wouldn't it be a huge alarm to know they got fired from the FBI? So lame. Only in Salem.
The SPD already knows the circumstances. They were there at the shooting and besides neither Rafe nor Gabi are mad about it.
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Rosebud
Sep 15 2017, 12:41 PM
Ok, LOL why is it taking J&M so long to figure out the Adrienne Bonnie doppelgänger thing? They were in town when Bonnie was there.
I wasn't watching the show back then but somebody here before said that Bonnie and Adrienne were not thought to be lookalikes previously. Ron took liberty this time because it is the same actress playing both roles.
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seanny
Sep 15 2017, 03:05 PM
Rosebud
Sep 15 2017, 12:49 PM
So, the SPD takes the FBI rejects again? Seriously, what FBI agent that gets fired would get an automatic hire at a police station? Wouldn't it be a huge alarm to know they got fired from the FBI? So lame. Only in Salem.
The SPD already knows the circumstances. They were there at the shooting and besides neither Rafe nor Gabi are mad about it.
Then why was Eli fired?
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seanny
Sep 15 2017, 03:05 PM
Rosebud
Sep 15 2017, 12:49 PM
So, the SPD takes the FBI rejects again? Seriously, what FBI agent that gets fired would get an automatic hire at a police station? Wouldn't it be a huge alarm to know they got fired from the FBI? So lame. Only in Salem.
The SPD already knows the circumstances. They were there at the shooting and besides neither Rafe nor Gabi are mad about it.
Rafe is. He's why Eli got fired.
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seanny
Sep 15 2017, 03:10 PM
Rosebud
Sep 15 2017, 12:41 PM
Ok, LOL why is it taking J&M so long to figure out the Adrienne Bonnie doppelgänger thing? They were in town when Bonnie was there.
I wasn't watching the show back then but somebody here before said that Bonnie and Adrienne were not thought to be lookalikes previously. Ron took liberty this time because it is the same actress playing both roles.
Yea I get that, and it's really stupid. Especially since RC has Bonnie's entire motivation for returning to Salem being to get revenge on Maggie because of Mickey.
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Probably the best episode of the week, although that's not saying much.

I enjoyed most of the Lucas stuff. The first few scenes of the "Lucas falls off the wagon" story were played more for comedy, but they've gotten increasingly serious, which I appreciate. I'm a little on the fence about the Kate scenes because I still feel as though she's being rather cold about everything -- like some kind of "tough love" approach. It should be obvious to her that such an approach isn't working. The scenes at the church with the quad were quite good, but I was a bit confused as to when Sonny forbade Lucas from seeing Ari. Did that happen off-screen? I think the Will scene would have been even better if they hadn't literally spoiled it a week ahead of time.

I'm a little annoyed that they're just going to ignore the whole issue of a same-sex couple getting married in a Catholic Church. I love that St. Luke's is back, but the way they're acting as though it holds some special significance to either couple (or at least that's what they did a few weeks back) is weird. I think all couples should be able to get married where they want, but they could have at least brought up the real-life challenges same-sex couples still face in planning their weddings.

Chad and Abby are still boring.

John/Marlena need a house set just as badly as Steve/Kayla. Enough will the pub being the established couples' de-facto home. Beyond that, the emotional fallout of the sanitarium story has really been lacking. They're hitting other beats, but the actual emotion of being locked up is missing.

The Abe/Eli stuff felt boring and pointless.
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I have to wonder, is there anything that can be done to rectify this Chabby mess? Sadly, I fear, aside from recasting, no.
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I loved today's episode it was great I loved chabby I like how happy and in love they are my favorite couple.

I like Eli and gabi but I don't think they belong together but they do have great chemistry. Ari is adorable.

Lucas needs to calm down I understand he is angry but he doesn't need to be going off in everyone like he was. If I was gabi and sonny I wouldn't let him near my kid either. Also Lucas has no right saying sonny is not ari father because he is no matter by blood or not he is her dad.
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Amazee-Dayzee
Sep 15 2017, 02:03 PM
I take it that Chabby and PaulSon were talking about their wedding in the church when drunk/fun Lucas came bursting in. Here's a question though: is Darby's marriage even ANNULLED yet?
Probably not. She'd also likely be in trouble with immigration because she lied to them about Dario, lol
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Haven't watched in over a year. Tuned into today and was blown away by Bryan Datillo. Damm he's hitting this out of the ballpark. Loved his scenes with Kate, Gabi and his Sonny rant. And I have to say I love the Bonnie story. Judi Evans is awesome in this role. And that ending gave me CHILLS. I'm back as a viewer with that awesome cliffhanger.
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Oh Lucas.

Bryan's doing great with the drunk scenes though.
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Sep 15 2017, 11:44 AM
Abe stops by to say hi to J&M. Happy they're ok. Promises to prosecute Hattie
When was the last time we got to have a scene with just the 3 of them together?

So long ago I can't even remember!!!
Lucas against CHABBY & PAULSON,
Brief, moments with J&M and Abe

Eli and Abe (even briefly) were my favorite moments of the show today.

Last moments with Lucas just before Will arrived was perfection!!!

I'm not invested in Chabby, Paulson, Wilson, Chabi or Geli (Never have been, nor will I be)

But I do want a very memorable wedding for the fallout that inadvertently takes place

Ron probably would not have put so much time & effort into Bonnie, Hattie,

and previously Dena into Deimos with Vincent Izarry

(anyone else hear a rumor about Deimos this week)?


Life in Salem as usual with nothing much different with Bonnie or Hattie gone

is going to be a thing of the past is my personal prediction


:cheer:


Edited by Loving80sDays, Sep 15 2017, 03:57 PM.
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Rosebud
Sep 15 2017, 01:14 PM
KBrady
Sep 15 2017, 01:03 PM
^she's about the only one because this storyline is tired already
Everyone will discover the truth about Bonnie and the next day everything will go back to normal, just like with Hattie.


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Edited by Loving80sDays, Sep 15 2017, 03:54 PM.
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All I can say after watching this episode is ... Bryan is bringing it! Kudos to him. He's doing a great job of playing drunk Lucas. He's looking for sympathy but he sure isn't getting any and I can't blame anyone for not giving it to him. Lucas is in some serious denial here. He thinks he's got everything under control when in reality his disease is controlling him. He doesn't see that using Will's death as an excuse is disrespectful but anyone asking him what Will would say is being disrespectful to Will's memory.

I thought the Kate / Bonnie scenes were good. Kate actually does have feelings ... who knew. She's hurting for Lucas but she knows that enabling him isn't going to help anything.

Seriously Justin bought that story Hattie fed him about Angelica. I'm mean come on. Some one buy a clue already! I'm so, so, so , so tired of Bonnie.

Yes Marlena you are right 'Adrienne' does have something to do with what happened to you except she's not Adrienne, she's Bonnie. I guess no one remembers or is allowed to mention that Adrienne had someone that looked remarkably like her not that long ago in Salem. Mind you when Bonnie was living in Salem not one person ever remarked that she looked so much like Adrienne so I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Looks like they're going forward with Eli / Gabi.

I really liked the ending. It was great seeing Chandler Massey for a few seconds. Looking forward to Monday.
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