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Friday, September 15, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 14 2017, 08:38 PM (11,219 Views)
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cord08
Sep 15 2017, 03:16 PM
Probably the best episode of the week, although that's not saying much.

I enjoyed most of the Lucas stuff. The first few scenes of the "Lucas falls off the wagon" story were played more for comedy, but they've gotten increasingly serious, which I appreciate. I'm a little on the fence about the Kate scenes because I still feel as though she's being rather cold about everything -- like some kind of "tough love" approach. It should be obvious to her that such an approach isn't working. The scenes at the church with the quad were quite good, but I was a bit confused as to when Sonny forbade Lucas from seeing Ari. Did that happen off-screen? I think the Will scene would have been even better if they hadn't literally spoiled it a week ahead of time.

I'm a little annoyed that they're just going to ignore the whole issue of a same-sex couple getting married in a Catholic Church. I love that St. Luke's is back, but the way they're acting as though it holds some special significance to either couple (or at least that's what they did a few weeks back) is weird. I think all couples should be able to get married where they want, but they could have at least brought up the real-life challenges same-sex couples still face in planning their weddings.

Chad and Abby are still boring.

John/Marlena need a house set just as badly as Steve/Kayla. Enough will the pub being the established couples' de-facto home. Beyond that, the emotional fallout of the sanitarium story has really been lacking. They're hitting other beats, but the actual emotion of being locked up is missing.

The Abe/Eli stuff felt boring and pointless.
Everything Abe is involved in is boring and pointless. I just find him a total snooze
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Director: Sonia Blangiardo
Scriptwriter: David A. Levinson



Segment 1 Paul and Sonny are in the K mansion living room. Gabi comes in - Arianna wants to stay a few minutes with Maggie and the kids. She's so excited about being a flower girl she can't stop talking about it. What's going on? Is the wedding not going to happen? What's happening? Sonny - No, there's a wedding. We just have something to talk to you about first. Gabi - What's that? Sonny - The thing is it's not just our wedding, it's Chad and Abigail's too.

Chad and Abigail walk into St. Luke's chapel hand in hand. Abby - It looks like we beat Sonny and Paul. Chad - I'm sure Fr. Louis can wait to discuss the sanctity of marriage until they get here. You know before everyone gets here while I have you alone, I said it before but it bears repeating. I love you and I can't wait for you to be my wife again. Abby - Yeah it bears repeating. Kiss. Chad - This time let's do it forever though. Abby nods - Okay.

Lucas knocks on the living room door of the D mansion. Mom. Mom! If you want me to sign the papers I'll sign them now, come on. Hello. He pours himself a drink. Maybe a quick drink. He downs it in one shot. Kate clears her throat.

Marlena joins John at the Brady Pub. Well hello good looking. John - Come on, you took the words right out of my mouth. Hug. John - Sit down with me please. So I just got done talking to Belle. She's going to call you a little later. Marlena - Oh it's so good to hear her sweet voice. John - How was Eric. He must have been happy to see you. Marlena - Eric was relieved after all the chaos that Hattie's put us all through. John - You think! Marlena - He talked about the run in he had with Hattie when she was pretending to be me. John - What are you thinking? Marlena - I'm thinking I know who Hattie's partner is.

Repeat of Justin walking in on Bonnie and Hattie. Justin - What's going on in here? How did you get in here? Bonnie - Oh I may have told the officer that I was your assistant. Please don't be mad at me. Justin - I'm not mad, I just don't understand why you'd lie. Bonnie - I told you I wanted to talk to Hattie for the Spectator but she's not being very cooperative. Hattie - Hey I got something going on here you know. Bonnie - Fine, we can just go now. Hattie - Wait a minute. Hold on. Hold on. There's no reason you should leave empty handed you know. How about I give you a big juicy story for your next headline ... maybe tomorrow you know. Come on, sit down dimples, you'll want to hear this. How about I tell you the name of the person I was working with. Bonnie - Maybe we should talk one on one Hattie, an exclusive. Hattie - Why? Don't you want the whole world to know who I was working with. Justin - Okay who was it. Hattie - It was Angelica Deveraux. Justin - Wait a minute, you're saying Angelica was behind this. Hattie - Yeah 'til she up and croaked, left me holding the bag. Justin - Why? Hattie - Because she figured out I look like Marlena Evans. So she hired me to impersonate her and take over her miserable-ass life and there it is. So there! You got your story. Justin - Wait a minute. I meant why would Angelica want to hurt Marlena.

Lucas - Don't start with me okay. With all the losses I've been dealing with I just had one little drink. One drink to take the edge off, that's it. You don't have to act like it's the end of the world. If you have the papers I'll sign them now. We can get back to work. Kate - I don't need your signatures anymore. Lucas - Why not? Kate - Because I'm firing you.

Abe is with Eli in the park off the square. Abe - The FBI fired you! Eli - They're pretty decisive that way. Abe - I don't understand. You ran a solid investigation. Eli - Well the Bureau thinks I mishandled the case. Abe - Raines would have gotten away if it hadn't been for you. Eli - Let's just say those aren't the details that matter to my boss. Abe - Well I hope you didn't lose your job because of me. Eli - You? Abe - Yeah. It was my idea to use myself as bait to let people think that Dario had named me as his accomplice. Eli - It wasn't that. The Bureau wasn't happy that a civilian was caught in the crossfire. Abe - A civilian? You mean Gabi.

Gabi - A double wedding with Chad and Abigail. Sonny - Gabi if it makes you uncomfortable you don't have to come. Paul - As much as we want you to come. Sonny - It would be awful if you didn't come. We obviously want you there but if it's going to be too difficult for you I completely understand. Gabi - Okay can I take a minute to think about this. I don't think I can give you an answer right now. Sonny - Sure, take all the time you need. Gabi - Okay but no matter what I decide for myself, Arianna will be there. Sonny - She will? Gabi - Yes of course. I would never take that away from her. She's thrilled to be your flower girl. She wants to be a part of that. Sonny - Okay, maybe it's time we make it official, tell her the good news. Gabi - Yeah.

Chad - You know you're pretty incredible. That you were able to broker peace with my crazy and dysfunctional family. Abby - Dysfunctional? You think they're dysfunctional. Nah, they are just totally virtuous and wholesome. Chad - It's so sweet that you think of my family that way but seriously I'm grateful that you were brave enough to talk some sense into them. Abby - Well I know it's important to you that there be peace among all of us. Chad - It is, yes and who would have thunk it that you'd be the one able to do it. Abby - Well I think we all want the same thing. We want the company to thrive and we want there to be a legacy for the family. Chad - Yes and I mean with Kate and that deal she's close, it could secure the future of DiMera for a long time. It's important. Abby - You miss being in charge, don't you? Chad - I do. I miss being CEO but in the meantime I'm happy to have extra time with you and Thomas. You're my deal of a lifetime. Oh that was cheesy but true. Kiss.


Segment 2 Marlena - Do you remember Eric's reaction when you told him how Hattie broke up with you. John - He's protective of his Mom. It hit him pretty hard. He said he was going to drop everything and go to talk to you, as it turns out Hattie, just to figure out wth is going on. Marlena - He did. He did that. He went right to the Salem Inn looking for me and then he said he heard loud music coming from one of the rooms. Then he heard Hattie's laughter above the music. When he knocked on the door Hattie opened the door to Adrienne's room. John - Come on, what would Adrienne be doing hanging out with Hattie. Marlena - That's what he said. He said there was music playing, there was a lot of junk food being consumed and they were drinking. John - WTH! Oh come on. So let me ask you this. How did Hattie explain that away. Marlena - Apparently Hattie said that she was there counselling Adrienne over the breakup with Lucas and that they were doing some sort of a role reversal therapy. John - Oh come on Doc, that doesn't make any sense. Marlena - Because it's not true. We both know that Hattie didn't take over my life because she wanted to be a doctor. John - Doc are you saying that Hattie's been working with Adrienne?

Justin - So are you telling me that Angelica was after Adrienne, that was her end game? Hattie - Yeah. See I was supposed to pretend to be Marlena and then I was going to have her in therapy and then eventually I'd just drive her nuts. Adrienne - So that's why you came to my hotel room after I broke up with Lucas. You knew I'd be guilt-ridden after breaking his heart. Hattie - Come on you know I'd never hurt you. In fact we had some pretty good times. Adrienne - Well I should have known something wasn't right. Justin - Why didn't you say anything to me. Adrienne - Because I just thought she was off her game after breaking up with John. You bitch! You really took me for a ride. Justin - I still don't understand why Angelica would go through all this trouble just to hurt you. Hattie - Seriously! You're Ivy League, you can't connect a few of those dots. Adrienne - Justin Angelica hated me. I mean she could never get over the fact that you chose me over her all those years ago. It's just so hurtful that she would try and destroy me like that. Justin - I'm just grateful she didn't succeed. Hattie rolls her eyes.

Sonny and Paul come into St Luke's and see Chad and Abby kissing. Sonny - Okay, okay, that's enough. Paul - Yeah, yeah, nobody here is married yet. Chad - We're practicing. Abby - Are you guys going to be this late to your wedding? Chad - Yeah maybe we should flip a coin to see who gets married first. Abby - What's the deal with this flipping coins thing. Sonny - Not going to flip a coin. But listen before we talk to Fr. Louis there is something I want to talk to the both of you about. Chad - Okay. Sonny - We told Gabi that we're having a double wedding and she asked about Ari being our flower girl so we told her that she would be yours as well. Abby - How'd she take it? Paul - She was a little thrown by it. Sonny - At first, but the good news is that she's okay with Ari being a part of the wedding. Chad - Is she still going to come or she's not coming. Sonny - She said she's going to think about it.

Gabi and Ari are strolling hand in hand through the square. Gabi - Are you happy that Daddy asked you to be his flower girl at his wedding. Ari - Are you happy Mommy? Gabi - Of course I am sweetheart. Of course.

Lucas - One damn drink and you're going to fire me. You know all the losses I've gone through lately. You know what I've lost. I've lost my son and Adrienne. I can't lose this job too. I need this job. Kate - Okay but it seems to me like you're acting like all you need is one more drink. I know you're hurt and I know you're heartbroken but this is not the way to handle it. Lucas you need help. Lucas - No I need some empathy. I need some support. Anything but I guess that's not you, is it. That's not in your wheelhouse, right? Kate - How do you think Will would feel if he were alive and he saw you right now. Lucas - Did you actually just say that. That actually came out of your mouth! Kate - What! Why? Is that off limits to bring up your son. Your son who loved you. Your son who wanted the best for you because he would be appalled if he saw you drinking right now Lucas. Lucas - Mentioning my son in any other way but a loving, respectful way is off limits, yes because he's gone. How could you do that! How could you try to make me feel guilty about my own son. Any person with a heart or a conscious would know that you don't say that. That's off limits! Kate - I'm sorry. Lucas - Good, I'm glad you're sorry because now I really do need a drink. He walks out. Kate - Luc ... her cell rings. Yes Mr. Shinn. No I know. I'm going to get the figures to you. I'm just going to have to call you back. LUCAS!


Segment 3 John - That doesn't make any sense. I mean for Adrienne to take part in a scheme designed to hurt so many people. Marlena - I agree. But what was she doing with Hattie? What other explanation could there possibly be. John - Brady said that Adrienne was acting kind of strange ever since she moved back into the Kiriakis mansion. Maybe there's something going on with her that no one realises.

Hattie - Angie was just living to get back with ya. Oh man that torch she carried for you, I'm surprised she could even stand up straight. Bonnie - That's because Justin's such a warm and wonderful, loving man. Justin - But why would she involve you. Hattie - I was her secret weapon. She could get rid of all the competition and never get her own little hands dirty you know. Justin - Angelica must have known that I would never take her back. Hattie - Well I don't know. All I know is what she told me when we were in the trenches. Bonnie - I think I have enough for my story. We should get going. Justin - Well it sounds like you got to know Angelica pretty well. Hattie - Yeah, we were pretty close, may she rest in peace. Justin - Then maybe you could shed some light on how Angelica wound up dead in Adrienne's hotel room at the Salem Inn.

Eli - My superior's believe that I acted irresponsibly. Abe - Taking that shot at Raines. But you saved Gabi's life. Eli - The FBI doesn't see it that way. Besides my boss has been Jonesing to get rid of me for a while now. I basically just handed him the perfect excuse. Abe - Look can I ask you why he wants you gone. Eli - I haven't always followed the rules, that tends to rub the Bureau the wrong way. Abe - Well I hope you're not planning on leaving town. It would be hard on your mother. Eli - Yeah. I don't want to. I like it here. Abe - You're a damned good agent Eli. Have you thought about working with the Salem PD. I could put in a good word. Eli - That'd be great. Thanks. Abe - I just have to find a Commissioner, that is my first priority.

Gabi is showing Ari how to throw rose petals while walking down the aisle. It's easy. You just throw them in the air so the bride knows where she's going to walk. She hands her the basket. You try it. Gabi - Perfect! Great. If you have a couple left over just throw them out. Lucas walks up. Ari - Grandpa! She runs to him. Lucas - Hey, easy there Arianna. How's my sweet, sweet little baby granddaughter.


Segment 4 Lucas gets down on his knees and takes Ari's hand. My sweet, sweet baby granddaughter. Just when I thought there was no one around who cared about me, there you are. You know how much I love you. I love you more than anything in this whole wide world. Gabi - Sweetheart, why don't we ... Lucas - No, no, she's fine. Hey sweetheart, guess what. Grandpa Lucas doesn't have a job anymore so that means we can spend more time together. And you know what we can do. We can have a sleepover at my place, what do you say? Ari - Yeah! Lucas - Yay, let's do it. Hug. It's going to be so fun. Gabi - Lucas, sorry, she can't. Ari listen, would you pick up the flowers over here. Lucas - Listen, she's my granddaughter. I should be able to see her. (Lucas has a bottle in a brown bag in his hand). Gabi - I know but just not like this. Not when you're drunk. Lucas - What are you talking about! I'm not drunk. I'm fine. Gabi - No. No you're not. You're not fine. Anyways she's going to spend the night at Sonny's so you can't. Lucas - Well I'll give him a call. I'll talk to Sonny and we'll just flip the plans around a little bit. Gabi - You can't call him because he's planning a wedding okay. And I think he's not going to want you around her drinking anyways so why don't you go home. You need to rest, just rest. Lucas - Why don't you quit telling me what to do. You and Sonny, you make me sick. You can't stop me from seeing my granddaughter. He takes off.

John - Doc let me ask you this. What possible motive would Adrienne have to team up with Hattie. Marlena - How would they even know each other unless ... John - Go on. Unless what? Marlena - Adrienne's been through so much. Battling cancer and worrying so much about Sonny, maybe she's experiencing some kind of PTSD. No, no, that doesn't sound right. Doesn't sound like Adrienne. If she had a problem psychologically she would deal with it. She would find some kind of help. She wouldn't go off the deep end and start scheming with Hattie Adams. John - No, totally out of character. Marlena - Yeah but I can't shake the feeling that I'm right here. I think Adrienne's got something to do with all this.

Hattie - Why did Angelica end up dead in Adrienne's room. Uh ... uh ... hey, I don't know. I'm just the hired help. Justin - Okay, of course, how would you know. Ready to go? Bonnie - Actually I'd like a moment alone with Hattie. Justin - Why, she told us everything she knows about Angelica. Adrienne - I need some closure and I'm obviously not going to get it with Angelica. Justin - Adrienne I don't know how I feel ... Bonnie - Justin, I'll be fine, there's a cop right outside. She can't hurt me anymore. I need to speak to her woman to woman. Justin - Okay if this is something that you really feel you need to do. Bonnie - Oh yes. Justin - Okay I'll be right outside. He leaves. Bonnie hugs Hattie. Thank you, thank you. Hattie - Geez you're choking me here. Bonnie - I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I just thought you were going to give me up back there. Hattie - Well I thought I was too for a second then I saw you like that, just twisting in the wind. I don't know maybe I have a little soft spot for you. I just figured wth, one of us has a right to be happy huh. Bonnie - OMG. OMG, you are the best. Hattie - I know, I know. The thing is I'm needing a favour from you. Bonnie - What kind of favour.

The foursome come back into the chapel. Chad - Okay how come Fr. Louis isn't asking you guys about changing your last names? He asked her. Sonny - What, you don't want the international business Kiriakis name. Paul - What's wrong with the internationally known baseball Narita name. Chad - Hey you got a coin? Sonny - We're not flipping a coin. Paul - Hold the thought though. I've got to go to a meeting with JJ about the tuxes for the wedding. Chad - Yes and we're going to your place for ? Sonny - Yes. Lucas walks in with his bottle in the brown bag. There he is. I'm going to have a talk with you Mr. Sonny Kiriakis. Sonny - Whoa, Lucas. Lucas - What, you think you and Gabi can keep me away from my granddaughter. Really! You better start lifting some weights buddy because that ain't going to happen. Not now, not ever.


Segment 5 Sonny - Lucas, I think you better have a seat. Come on. Lucas - I'm not sitting anywhere man. I'm standing right here. I'm going to take care of this right here, right now. Abby - Look, you need to go home. Lucas - I don't need to go home. I'm staying in this church. This is where I belong. This is where I can tell the truth in the presence of God so I can tell Sonny that I have rights. I have rights man! You know Gabi accused me of being drunk. She accused me of being a drunk! Sonny - I'm sure she didn't put it that way Lucas alright but it's obvious that you have been drinking. Lucas - Really, it's obvious. Who's it obvious to. Who's it obvious to! Sonny - It's obvious to anyone. We can tell that you've been drinking. Lucas scoffs - You are so clever, aren't you. It's obvious to anyone. We can tell you've been drinking. Blah, blah, blah. You make me sick man. You make me sick you damn traitor. Sonny - Hey look, I know that you're hurting because my Mom just ended it with you but you're not going to spend another minute with my daughter until you sober up. Lucas yells - Oh now she's YOUR daughter. She's not your daughter you idiot! She's Will's daughter. Will's! And you have no right keeping me from her especially after the way you abandoned my son. Paul - Okay Lucas Sonny did not abandon Will. Lucas - Says the sanctimonious S.O.B. who split up my son's marriage. Chad - Lucas ... Lucas - You've got nothing to do with this man. This is between Sonny and me right. This is between me and the coward. The coward who backs away. You cop out. You back away when things get rough. Sonny - Why don't you relax! Lucas - Like mother, like son. Chad yells - Lucas, that's enough. Lucas - You know what if you would have stuck around just once, just a little bit maybe my son would still be alive right now. Maybe!

Gabi is sitting with Ari on the bench in the square. No, listen, you can not stay with Lucas. You're staying with your Dad tonight. Arianna Horton! Ari is giving her the silent treatment. Eli walks up - Looks like you could use a hand.

Abe is at the pub. I can't believe what you two have been through, locked up at Bayview. Hattie Adams running around Salem impersonating you. Marlena chuckles. Thank God that's over, huh. Abe - Well I give you my word she will be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Marlena - Thank you Abe. Abe - I've got to get back to the station. John - Okay partner. Good job man. Abe - Thank you. He leaves. John - I'm surprised you didn't tell Abe about your suspicions. Marlena - Well I didn't want to jump to any conclusions. I would like to talk to Adrienne before I do anything.

Justin - So how did it go with Hattie. Did you tear into her? Bonnie - I didn't have the heart to. You know in a way Hattie was one of Angelica's victims too. Justin - I guess that's true. Bonnie - So I was wondering if maybe you would reconsider representing her. Justin - I thought you didn't want me anywhere near her case. Bonnie - You know after talking to her just now, Justin she's a lost soul. So lonely and miserable. I can see how easy it was for Angelica to take advantage of her. Please. Justin - Adrienne. Bonnie - For me? Justin - Why can I never say no to you or your big, beautiful heart. Bonnie - Then you'll do it. Justin - I'll go talk to Hattie. I'll see you at home. Bonnie - Okay. After he walks away Bonnie mutters - Dodged that freakin' bullet again.


Segment 6 Eli, Ari and Gabi are sitting at a table in the square. Eli - Bad day? Gabi - Not as bad as yours. Did you ever find out why you got fired? Eli - Internal politics. Anyways I would much rather hear about your day. Gabi - Okay well my day started with learning that my daughter would be Abigail and Chad's flower girl. And then I had to figure out a way to tell her that she can't spend time with her grandfather until he sobers up and someone's not very happy about that. Eli - I see. Sounds to me like everyone here could use some ice cream. Ari perks up. Gabi - What! Oh no.

Kate runs into Bonnie when she comes out of the pub. Hey have you seen Lucas. Bonnie - No, why would I? Kate - Well he's a little hard to miss stumbling around town three sheets to the wind thanks to you. Bonnie - Hold on a second. Kate - No, no, you hold on a second. Adrienne you abandoned him without any warning in the cruellest way possible. Bonnie - I didn't mean to. Kate - You didn't mean to! Okay, so is that the same way you didn't mean to let Justin interrupt your wedding to Lucas. Or is it the same way you didn't mean to take so long to decide between the two of them because you couldn't make up your mind. Bonnie - Do you think it was easy being caught between the two of them. Kate - Apparently not since just when you finished swearing your love and devotion to Lucas you take off after Justin. How can you be so heartless! Bonnie - I am not heartless. I care about Lucas. Kate - Don't say that to me. Don't say that you care about him because you don't care about him alright. You care about yourself. Bonnie - You have no idea what I've been through the past few months. Kate - That's what you're going to do? You're going to blame your behaviour on the cancer because I was with you during your cancer treatment and you were a brave woman. And you were a strong woman. And that's the woman that I admired. That's the woman who became my friend and that's not you anymore. You're callous and you're mean-spirited and I don't know how the hell that happened. Bonnie - I was just trying to be honest with Lucas about how I felt. Kate - You weren't honest with him Adrienne. You were cruel and you were selfish and now he's drinking again. Bonnie - So talk to him Kate. You're his mother. Show him that he needs to stop. Kate - I can't talk to him because I had to fire him and now he's angry at me too. Bonnie - What! You fired him from a job he loves after everything he lost. Kate - Yeah I did because it's the best thing for him and the company. Bonnie - Are you kidding me right now. The company! Who cares about your broken-hearted son. I'm not the cruel one here Kate, you are. Kate - Wait. If anything happens to him I hold you responsible.

Abby tries to get Lucas to go to a meeting. Lucas - I'm not going to anymore meetings. Abigail I've been to every single meeting in this town. I'm not doing it again. They're all the same. Get out of my way! Chad - Lucas she's doing her best to help you. Just stop. Lucas - Really! She's trying to help me. How's she going to help me Chad. How's she going to do that. You kids have no idea. You're planning a double wedding like it's some kind of prom night. You don't know what you're doing. You think you can just slap a ring on somebody's finger and seal it with a kiss. It doesn't work that way man. Life doesn't work that way, I've got news for you. Look at all of you staring at me. Standing there doing nothing just like you did when Justin came in and broke up my wedding. No one ever did anything about that, did they. Sonny - Is that what this is about. Is this payback? Lucas - I wouldn't waste my time with that but you're about too, aren't you? Sonny - Excuse me. Lucas - You're about to waste your time. You're about to get married. Do the math. DO THE MATH! 50% of all marriages fail. They end up in divorce. The second time around the number's even bigger than that. And you're half way there buddy, congratulations. It's pretty much a sure thing that one of these marriages is going to fail. It's going to crash and burn.


Segment 7 Chad - He's drunk, he doesn't know what he's saying. Lucas - I don't know what I'm saying. In vino veritas. Truth, you want me to tell you the truth. I think all your marriages are all going to fail. I think they're all going to tank. Best of luck to the bride and all the grooms too. Paul - We can't force you to go to a meeting. Sonny - We're not going to let you behind the wheel either. Lucas - Fine, take the keys. They're all yours. Abby - Get the bottle. Lucas hands it to Paul - Here you go. Enjoy it big guy. I think I'll stick around and do a little praying. Talk to the big guy upstairs, see if I can even out those marriage odds before Ari gets married. Abby - Do you think I should call my Mom. I'll call her from the car. Chad - Okay. Paul - Hey, hey, don't let what he said get to you okay. They leave. Lucas sits in a pew and pulls out a flask. Suckers. Here's to love. Here's to Godforsaken love. He drinks.

All 3 are eating ice cream. Eli - Arianna, you know what's better than ice cream. Fried ice cream. Have you tried that before? Ari shakes her head no. Eli - Okay you and your Mom have to come to the Martin house sometime. I'll make you some. Gabi - Thank you. You're very good with her. Eli - She's a sweetie. Gabi - Yeah she is. I'm very lucky. Eli - Gabi look I was thinking, if you're uncomfortable going to the wedding or weddings, I could go with you. Gabi - You mean go with you as your date. Eli - Why don't we call it moral support. Gabi - I like that. Eli - So? Gabi - I'm not ready to say yes yet but if I do yeah, I might take you up on your offer.

Justin - Well Hattie looks like I'll be representing you after all. Hattie - Well Hallelujah. I've got a chance of getting out of this hell hole. Mind if I ask you what changed your mind. Justin - Adrienne did. She said this is what she wants for you. Hattie - Righto, and what Adrienne wants, Adrienne gets. Justin - You're lucky she's as compassionate as she is. She really feels for you despite what you did to her. Hattie - Oh come on, she was never in any real danger and from what I can tell that dame knows how to take care of herself.

John - So I was thinking ... Bonnie sees them and turns around. Marlena - Oh Adrienne, hi honey. Come here. Bonnie - Hi, John, Marlena. So good to see both of you. I'm so glad you're okay after what that horrible Hattie Adams did to you. Marlena - Yeah, yeah. You know what I've been trying to reach you. Have you been getting my messages. Bonnie - Yeah I have. I'm just sorry. It's been so busy moving back into the mansion and everything. Marlena - Well if you have a few minutes now I would like to talk to you about Hattie. Bonnie pulls up a chair. You know I can tell you everything about Hattie Adams. Give you the lowdown on the whole sordid tale.

Lucas - What did I ever do to You. You've taken everything from me. You took my son. You took Adrienne and now You're taking Ari away from me. She's the only thing I have left. He yells - WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO ME! ANSWER ME! He's startled when he hears 'Dad'. He turns and sees Will. He gets up. OMG. OMG. Will!
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Sep 15 2017, 04:12 PM
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Sep 15 2017, 03:16 PM
Probably the best episode of the week, although that's not saying much.

I enjoyed most of the Lucas stuff. The first few scenes of the "Lucas falls off the wagon" story were played more for comedy, but they've gotten increasingly serious, which I appreciate. I'm a little on the fence about the Kate scenes because I still feel as though she's being rather cold about everything -- like some kind of "tough love" approach. It should be obvious to her that such an approach isn't working. The scenes at the church with the quad were quite good, but I was a bit confused as to when Sonny forbade Lucas from seeing Ari. Did that happen off-screen? I think the Will scene would have been even better if they hadn't literally spoiled it a week ahead of time.

I'm a little annoyed that they're just going to ignore the whole issue of a same-sex couple getting married in a Catholic Church. I love that St. Luke's is back, but the way they're acting as though it holds some special significance to either couple (or at least that's what they did a few weeks back) is weird. I think all couples should be able to get married where they want, but they could have at least brought up the real-life challenges same-sex couples still face in planning their weddings.

Chad and Abby are still boring.

John/Marlena need a house set just as badly as Steve/Kayla. Enough will the pub being the established couples' de-facto home. Beyond that, the emotional fallout of the sanitarium story has really been lacking. They're hitting other beats, but the actual emotion of being locked up is missing.

The Abe/Eli stuff felt boring and pointless.
Everything Abe is involved in is boring and pointless. I just find him a total snooze
Yeah, I'm hoping that the speculated story coming up for Theo will finally give him something interesting to do.
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Sep 15 2017, 03:16 PM
Probably the best episode of the week, although that's not saying much.

I enjoyed most of the Lucas stuff. The first few scenes of the "Lucas falls off the wagon" story were played more for comedy, but they've gotten increasingly serious, which I appreciate. I'm a little on the fence about the Kate scenes because I still feel as though she's being rather cold about everything -- like some kind of "tough love" approach. It should be obvious to her that such an approach isn't working. The scenes at the church with the quad were quite good, but I was a bit confused as to when Sonny forbade Lucas from seeing Ari. Did that happen off-screen? I think the Will scene would have been even better if they hadn't literally spoiled it a week ahead of time.

I'm a little annoyed that they're just going to ignore the whole issue of a same-sex couple getting married in a Catholic Church. I love that St. Luke's is back, but the way they're acting as though it holds some special significance to either couple (or at least that's what they did a few weeks back) is weird. I think all couples should be able to get married where they want, but they could have at least brought up the real-life challenges same-sex couples still face in planning their weddings.

Chad and Abby are still boring.

John/Marlena need a house set just as badly as Steve/Kayla. Enough will the pub being the established couples' de-facto home. Beyond that, the emotional fallout of the sanitarium story has really been lacking. They're hitting other beats, but the actual emotion of being locked up is missing.

The Abe/Eli stuff felt boring and pointless.
Everything Abe is involved in is boring and pointless. I just find him a total snooze
I expected the leaked scene to be pretty much it for the day, but still..way, way too much filler in this ep. The eli/Abe scenes were completely unnecessary

The Lucas scenes were really good but I had to watch them a second time with close captioning. At first I thought it was me or my TV (I couldn't hear a word he was saying), but even with close captioning he flubbed a major line (its "in vino veritas" ...Latin for "in wine there's truth" the KEY to the scene. He said "In verantras" Yes, he was playing drunk but it came off like he just flubbed his line).

Gays getting married in a Catholic Church is a MAJOR misstep. Also-- small detail: When gays marry the middle name NOT the surname changes; if they hyphenate its alphabetical. Either way, its really a non-issue & either way Paul will be Paul Kiriakis Narita. Paul or Sonny could have explained this to Chabby & it would have been a nice teaching moment in terms of LGBT issues, but instead they went for the cheap joke.

Ep was all over the place & kind of a mess, but at least things were happening so not bad. Not great, but not bad.
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I would rather see Abe reading the phone book standing at a podium for the entire hour than have to see those cutesie scenes with other characters.
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Sep 15 2017, 03:16 PM
Probably the best episode of the week, although that's not saying much.

I enjoyed most of the Lucas stuff. The first few scenes of the "Lucas falls off the wagon" story were played more for comedy, but they've gotten increasingly serious, which I appreciate. I'm a little on the fence about the Kate scenes because I still feel as though she's being rather cold about everything -- like some kind of "tough love" approach. It should be obvious to her that such an approach isn't working. The scenes at the church with the quad were quite good, but I was a bit confused as to when Sonny forbade Lucas from seeing Ari. Did that happen off-screen? I think the Will scene would have been even better if they hadn't literally spoiled it a week ahead of time.

I'm a little annoyed that they're just going to ignore the whole issue of a same-sex couple getting married in a Catholic Church. I love that St. Luke's is back, but the way they're acting as though it holds some special significance to either couple (or at least that's what they did a few weeks back) is weird. I think all couples should be able to get married where they want, but they could have at least brought up the real-life challenges same-sex couples still face in planning their weddings.

Chad and Abby are still boring.

John/Marlena need a house set just as badly as Steve/Kayla. Enough will the pub being the established couples' de-facto home. Beyond that, the emotional fallout of the sanitarium story has really been lacking. They're hitting other beats, but the actual emotion of being locked up is missing.

The Abe/Eli stuff felt boring and pointless.
Everything Abe is involved in is boring and pointless. I just find him a total snooze
I expected the leaked scene to be pretty much it for the day, but still..way, way too much filler in this ep. The eli/Abe scenes were completely unnecessary

The Lucas scenes were really good but I had to watch them a second time with close captioning. At first I thought it was me or my TV (I couldn't hear a word he was saying), but even with close captioning he flubbed a major line (its "in vino veritas" ...Latin for "in wine there's truth" the KEY to the scene. He said "In verantras" Yes, he was playing drunk but it came off like he just flubbed his line).

Gays getting married in a Catholic Church is a MAJOR misstep. Also-- small detail: When gays marry the middle name NOT the surname changes; if they hyphenate its alphabetical. Either way, its really a non-issue & either way Paul will be Paul Kiriakis Narita. Paul or Sonny could have explained this to Chabby & it would have been a nice teaching moment in terms of LGBT issues, but instead they went for the cheap joke.

Ep was all over the place & kind of a mess, but at least things were happening so not bad. Not great, but not bad.
Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
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I expected the leaked scene to be pretty much it for the day, but still..way, way too much filler in this ep. The eli/Abe scenes were completely unnecessary

The Lucas scenes were really good but I had to watch them a second time with close captioning. At first I thought it was me or my TV (I couldn't hear a word he was saying), but even with close captioning he flubbed a major line (its "in vino veritas" ...Latin for "in wine there's truth" the KEY to the scene. He said "In verantras" Yes, he was playing drunk but it came off like he just flubbed his line).

Gays getting married in a Catholic Church is a MAJOR misstep. Also-- small detail: When gays marry the middle name NOT the surname changes; if they hyphenate its alphabetical. Either way, its really a non-issue & either way Paul will be Paul Kiriakis Narita. Paul or Sonny could have explained this to Chabby & it would have been a nice teaching moment in terms of LGBT issues, but instead they went for the cheap joke.

Ep was all over the place & kind of a mess, but at least things were happening so not bad. Not great, but not bad.
Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Yeah, where the hell is the middle name thing coming from? Having known a handful of my fellow gays who have married, they've hyphenated their SURNAMES. No middle name has ever come into play. It'd be nice if they just kept their surnames and broke with that tradition. Did Will or Sonny change their names...? Agreed re: marrying in St. Luke's, though.
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I expected the leaked scene to be pretty much it for the day, but still..way, way too much filler in this ep. The eli/Abe scenes were completely unnecessary

The Lucas scenes were really good but I had to watch them a second time with close captioning. At first I thought it was me or my TV (I couldn't hear a word he was saying), but even with close captioning he flubbed a major line (its "in vino veritas" ...Latin for "in wine there's truth" the KEY to the scene. He said "In verantras" Yes, he was playing drunk but it came off like he just flubbed his line).

Gays getting married in a Catholic Church is a MAJOR misstep. Also-- small detail: When gays marry the middle name NOT the surname changes; if they hyphenate its alphabetical. Either way, its really a non-issue & either way Paul will be Paul Kiriakis Narita. Paul or Sonny could have explained this to Chabby & it would have been a nice teaching moment in terms of LGBT issues, but instead they went for the cheap joke.

Ep was all over the place & kind of a mess, but at least things were happening so not bad. Not great, but not bad.
Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
Edited by HoritaFan, Sep 15 2017, 05:31 PM.
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Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
Gays do what they want. I'm gay. My gay mates have taken their partner's surname the same as their hetero-counterparts. Some have chosen not to change their names at all.

Edit: the husband takes the wife's name???! Okay, you can sign-off now. :eyeroll:
Edited by Graceland, Sep 15 2017, 05:46 PM.
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Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Yeah, where the hell is the middle name thing coming from? Having known a handful of my fellow gays who have married, they've hyphenated their SURNAMES. No middle name has ever come into play. It'd be nice if they just kept their surnames and broke with that tradition. Did Will or Sonny change their names...? Agreed re: marrying in St. Luke's, though.
Marrying in a Catholic Church is as believable as the doppelgänger storyline. :blulaugh:
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Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
There's not an official way that ANYone has to legally change their name whether straight or gay. People can choose which name to drop. The people you know may have chosen that way, but there's not an official way to do it...again, regardless of sexuality.
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Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
I know four married same-sex couples where at least one partner is a lawyer who can be expected to obsessively put all the legal ducks in a row. Not one couple out of four handled the names the way you described. (There's plenty of variation in the way they did handle it... much like among the married heterosexual couples I know.)
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Probably the best episode of the week, although that's not saying much.

I enjoyed most of the Lucas stuff. The first few scenes of the "Lucas falls off the wagon" story were played more for comedy, but they've gotten increasingly serious, which I appreciate. I'm a little on the fence about the Kate scenes because I still feel as though she's being rather cold about everything -- like some kind of "tough love" approach. It should be obvious to her that such an approach isn't working. The scenes at the church with the quad were quite good, but I was a bit confused as to when Sonny forbade Lucas from seeing Ari. Did that happen off-screen? I think the Will scene would have been even better if they hadn't literally spoiled it a week ahead of time.

I'm a little annoyed that they're just going to ignore the whole issue of a same-sex couple getting married in a Catholic Church. I love that St. Luke's is back, but the way they're acting as though it holds some special significance to either couple (or at least that's what they did a few weeks back) is weird. I think all couples should be able to get married where they want, but they could have at least brought up the real-life challenges same-sex couples still face in planning their weddings.

Chad and Abby are still boring.

John/Marlena need a house set just as badly as Steve/Kayla. Enough will the pub being the established couples' de-facto home. Beyond that, the emotional fallout of the sanitarium story has really been lacking. They're hitting other beats, but the actual emotion of being locked up is missing.

The Abe/Eli stuff felt boring and pointless.
Everything Abe is involved in is boring and pointless. I just find him a total snooze
I expected the leaked scene to be pretty much it for the day, but still..way, way too much filler in this ep. The eli/Abe scenes were completely unnecessary

The Lucas scenes were really good but I had to watch them a second time with close captioning. At first I thought it was me or my TV (I couldn't hear a word he was saying), but even with close captioning he flubbed a major line (its "in vino veritas" ...Latin for "in wine there's truth" the KEY to the scene. He said "In verantras" Yes, he was playing drunk but it came off like he just flubbed his line).

Gays getting married in a Catholic Church is a MAJOR misstep. Also-- small detail: When gays marry the middle name NOT the surname changes; if they hyphenate its alphabetical. Either way, its really a non-issue & either way Paul will be Paul Kiriakis Narita. Paul or Sonny could have explained this to Chabby & it would have been a nice teaching moment in terms of LGBT issues, but instead they went for the cheap joke.

Ep was all over the place & kind of a mess, but at least things were happening so not bad. Not great, but not bad.
I have gay friends who have married. One kept his name the way it is, so did his husband. The other hyphenated and it isn't alphabetical, lol

Also, doesn't it depend on the church and whether or not they marry same sex couples? Catholic or not, I thought that's how it went.
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Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
As far as I know your middle name doesn't go anywhere. You can change your name to whatever you want. There's no rule on how you do it, gay or straight.
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Lucas came off as extremely paranoid with Gabi and Ari in the square though I understood that it was necessary to transition him to St. Luke's, it didn't make much sense for him to jump to that conclusion but he was drunk so hey.
Really? I thought that Lucas' reaction was completely natural considering that he's been dwelling on Will non-stop and had just thrown down with his mother over her attempt at Will-related emotional blackmail... and here is Ari, Will's daughter, now almost exactly the same age as Will was when Lucas lost custody of him over his drinking. All Ari had to do was claim that Lucas smelled like "candy" the way Will used to when Lucas was drunk, and the parallel would have been complete.

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I thought Freddie looked great today. I love his haircut so much better that the slicked back look. It was a lot going on today. The Abe and Eli stuff was kind of out of place. I am tired of the Hattie/Bonnie stuff. I thought Ari pouting was funny. Kate sure didn't try to help Lucas when he first started drinking a few weeks back she just kind of said I told you so. I thought Lucas was really mean to Sonny. I always hated that although Sonny was not the one who cheated, he seemed to be the one that was getting the blame like he did something wrong. There is no reason Sonny should feel guilty about moving on.
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Uh, gays don't have an official rule book when it comes to marrying and name change, dear. :blulaugh:
Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
...... Sorry typo

This is not true, because by law no one is required to change their name legally, straight or LGBT when married. I have been married for 20 plus years and still go by my birth name because of work related reasons, my lisense and SS are still under my birth name as is everything else. You have the right to legally change your last name to your spouse, but it is not required. Also middle names are not changed in marriage, nor are they used.
Your birth name is your birth name, 1st and middle name, then your last name. Some people like to keep there last name on documents and then their new last name, but it is not the law or rule of thumb or even the norm.

If my name is Jane doe and I marry John smith, legally me & John smith are married, I can call myself Jane Doe & he John Smith and we are still legally wed. I can change my name to take his last name and then I become Jane Smith.. I can choose to call myself Jane Doe Smith, but my 1st & last name are still Jane & Smith, the Doe is really just for looks, unless I legally change my entire birth certificate or SS and give myself a new middle name of Doe and replace my old one.
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Um DEAR:
That IS the way gets handled legally & on legal documents. Its the same as when a str8 couple marry & the husband takes the wife's name. The middle name changes (EX: John Ono Lennon) not the surname. So Chad's line about why the priest didn't ask about changing the last name is ridiculous.
Gays do what they want. I'm gay. My gay mates have taken their partner's surname the same as their hetero-counterparts. Some have chosen not to change their names at all.

Edit: the husband takes the wife's name???! Okay, you can sign-off now. :eyeroll:
Yes WHEN THE HUSBAND TAKES THE WIFE'S NAME. When the husband takes the wife's name the middle name is changed not the surname
EXAMPLE: (as stated) When John Lennon married Yoko One HE took HER name. His legal name after marriage and taking her name was John Ono Lennon. Their son is Sean Ono Lennon. I had a professor in college who took his wife's name. Same thing: his middle name was changed to her surname.

Couples, gay or str8, CAN stipulate arrangements other than the one presumed (ie: Husband takes wife's name. They hyphenate their names. They each keep their own names). The gay couple can make other choices but the presumption is either that there will be no name change or the middle name, not the surname will change. If no alternate choice is stated the presumption is assumed and followed.

Its not a requirement (there are none) its a presumption (just as its presumed the wife will take the husbands name). Its not required not a rule. Its assumed and few question it.
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Sep 15 2017, 02:56 PM
Wow. Good show today! I was so taken by surprise by Lucas' harsh takedown of Sonny. At first, I was kind of mad about it but then I gave it some thought and I now think it was a good thing that Sonny got to experience that type of criticism first hand because he never had to before even when he deserved it. The bad thing is that were this to be IRL there would be some serious tension between Sonny/Lucas which is something Lucas cannot afford with the father of his grand-daughter. Alcohol brings out true feelings and now Sonny knows that Lucas has been hiding a lot of animosity against him and Paul for a long time.

Some other observations:.

Lucas' divorce rantings were like huge freaking anvils. It seems like neither PaulSon nor Chabby gets married next week. :shrug:

Why don't Kate just officially go join the circus? She's almost always appropriately dressed for a job there. I liked her flawed tough love scenes with Lucas but Kate was better with the "Adrienne" showdown.

Why was Gabi dressed for already for a wedding? She looked amazing and even matched the kiddie chairs in the Square but that dress was overkill for a day out with her young daughter.

Abe\Eli was kind of boring but Chabby is and has been worse for a while now. John/Marlena/Hattie/Bonnie/Justin were all good.

Overall, I'd like to start seeing some consistently in the writing. As of now, we are getting some shows that are great, very good, decent and terrible -all in the same week. This approach will not keep new viewers tuning in. There has to be a baseline to stride for. For example, how about we shoot for every show to be at least thought as decent in quality, sprinkle in a few very good episodes in during the month and then wow the audience with some great shows during sweeps? That's just my suggestion but something has to change if Ron expects to keep his momentum.
Sonny is not Mark's father. He is her stepfather. Even that relationship is sketchy since Will is "dead."
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Gays do what they want. I'm gay. My gay mates have taken their partner's surname the same as their hetero-counterparts. Some have chosen not to change their names at all.

Edit: the husband takes the wife's name???! Okay, you can sign-off now. :eyeroll:
Yes WHEN THE HUSBAND TAKES THE WIFE'S NAME. When the husband takes the wife's name the middle name is changed not the surname
EXAMPLE: (as stated) When John Lennon married Yoko One HE took HER name. His legal name after marriage and taking her name was John Ono Lennon. Their son is Sean Ono Lennon. I had a professor in college who took his wife's name. Same thing: his middle name was changed to her surname.

Couples, gay or str8, CAN stipulate arrangements other than the one presumed (ie: Husband takes wife's name. They hyphenate their names. They each keep their own names). The gay couple can make other choices but the presumption is either that there will be no name change or the middle name, not the surname will change. If no alternate choice is stated the presumption is assumed and followed.

Its not a requirement (there are none) its a presumption (just as its presumed the wife will take the husbands name). Its not required not a rule. Its assumed and few question it.
The rest of us didn't realize we had to go by your presumptions and life experiences. Our bad.
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