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| Monday, September 18, 2017 Episode Discussion | |
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| am103 | Sep 18 2017, 03:49 PM Post #221 |
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How exactly was JJ disloyal to Will today? I thought JJ and Paul's conversation was very mature and respectful of Will's memory. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 18 2017, 03:51 PM Post #222 |
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I'd say Sonny might have a point if Lucas wasn't very obviously drunk as a skunk and wallowing heavily in pain. |
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| kay | Sep 18 2017, 03:51 PM Post #223 |
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Sonny has always been portrayed as if he can do no wrong. He tends to get very angry if anyone dares to disagree with him. EveN with Paul who seems practically perfect. Saint Sonny and SainT Paul . |
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| am103 | Sep 18 2017, 03:52 PM Post #224 |
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I agree. The scene where Ben takes Wendy outside and we see Abby's horrified face as she waits for the gunshot is a scene I definitely won't be forgetting anytime soon. |
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| PatNS | Sep 18 2017, 03:54 PM Post #225 |
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I thought this was a pretty decent episode. I too am bewildered by the continuing Abby / Gabi friendship. It's hard to invest in a friendship you don't understand. I mean what woman would be friendly with the woman who slept with her ex-husband and moved in with him quicker than anyone else could blink. Putting that aside Ari is still as cute as cute can be - so there's that I can take away from their scenes. Jen and Kate turned out not to be as bad as I was expecting. Jen you need to resign yourself to the fact that Thomas is always going to be part of the DiMera family because he is a DiMera. Thomas is not going to be a part of the family again, he always was and always will be family. I thought the conversation about Lucas was really good. Kate looks genuinely worried and I don't know if I've seen that level of caring on her part for one of her children ... at least not in a long time. I thought Sonny's ranting and ravings to Chad about Lucas were uncalled for but I think he was so upset by what Lucas said because some of it hit too close to home. Chad letting the tailor think he and Sonny were a couple was funny - a nice touch of levity to break up some of the heaviness in some of the other scenes. JJ and Paul's conversation didn't bother me all that much. Yeah maybe it's true that JJ didn't interact much with Sonny and Will when they were together but he knows their history. I was trying to think who else in has age group could he talk to about Sonny and Will. I guess he could have talked to Gabi but JJ was the one he was meeting with today so I'm okay with it. Chandler and Bryan were the highlight of the show for me. Loved the Will / Lucas scenes. They were well scripted and well acted. Lucas's pain really shone through but it's evident he's no where ready, willing or able to deal with it in a healthy way. I think the journey to that point is going to be powerful to watch ... at least I hope it is. |
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| Rosebud | Sep 18 2017, 03:56 PM Post #226 |
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yep, that's why I called it a primer. :shrug: |
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| Rosebud | Sep 18 2017, 04:12 PM Post #227 |
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Is it a normal wedding thing for one groom to go to one tux fitter and the other groom to go to another tux fitter? |
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| PatNS | Sep 18 2017, 04:14 PM Post #228 |
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Please note: This report is not to be copied and pasted to any other sites. Please link only. Link to summary archive: http://www.network54.com/Forum/358635/ Director: Sonia Blangiardo Scriptwriter: David Kreizman Segment 1 Repeat of Lucas seeing Will. Lucas - OMG! Will is that really you! Will - Hey Dad, long time no see. Kate is in the D mansion living room sending a text to Lucas. Where R U? Please I just want to help. Jen comes in. Kate. Kate - Jennifer hey, Abigail isn't here. Jen - I didn't come here to speak to Abigail, I came here to speak to you mother to mother. Kate - It's just not a good time right now. Jen - If my daughter is going to be a DiMera again I want to know everything that is going on inside this family. Abby is in the square on her cell leaving a message for her Mom. Hey hi it's me. Can you just give me a call when you get this because I'm worried about Uncle Lucas. Okay bye. Ari runs up to her. Gabi follows. Abby - Hi, what are you doing. Ari - I'm going to be a flower girl. Abby - Yes you are. Paul comes into the squad room and walks up to JJ. Enough of this crime fighting nonsense, we've got some important tuxedo business to get to. JJ - You're early. Paul - Am I? JJ - I thought you'd still be at the church with Sonny. Paul - Yeah well we kind of got interrupted. Chad is with Sonny in the K mansion living room. Sonny - I actually felt bad for Lucas that my Mom dumped him. I couldn't care less if the guy is miserable. Chad - How long has he been sober? I thought it's been years, hasn't it? Sonny - Yeah it's been years but now he's back to being a nasty, belligerent drunk insulting people and embarrassing himself. How could he say that stuff to me Chad! Chad - Look he was drunk. He probably doesn't even remember anything he said. Sonny - I don't care if he was in a coma! That's no excuse to take pot shots at me like that. And he brings up Will. He thinks that Will's not here I don't think about him. Every single day I think about Will, how much I miss him. How much I hated what happened between us. He never should have brought up his name. I don't care how drunk he was or how much he's hurting and for that I will never forgive him. Lucas - Is it really you. He cries. It can't be. It's not real. He's not here. He's gone. He looks up and Will is gone. Wait a minute. Where'd you go? I didn't mean to say you weren't real. Will is behind him. No you're right. Lucas - Will? Will - Look at you Dad, so wasted that you're hallucinating your dead son. Lucas - My son! Will - How did this happen? How did you fall so far. Sonny - Does Lucas honestly believe that I would forget about Will, that I would ever forget about Will. Lucas - Of course not. Sonny - You know when I walk in this room Chad ... we stood by that window and we held each other's hands and we took vows to love each other until death do us part. Chad - And you held up your end of the bargain. Sonny - I never stopped loving him even after we broke each other's hearts. Chad - No one thinks that. Look do not let what Lucas said get to you okay. He's in pain. He was looking at somebody to lash out at, that's all. Sonny - I guess it makes sense that it was me. Chad - Why's that? Sonny - Because here I am ranting and raving in outrage but the truth is he was right about one thing, I did abandon Will. Will - You're drinking again. Lucas - What! No I'm not. Will - Come on. Dad, I'm in your head, you can't lie to me. Lucas - What are you doing here! Will - You tell me. Lucas - I miss you. I miss you so much. I think about you every second of every day. Will - I know. Lucas - I think about when you were little. We used to spend all that time together. I think about when we used to play catch. We used to go to the movies. When you were little I used to buckle you into your car seat. I used to hold you in my arms and try to get you to sleep. Will - I was a terrible sleeper, wasn't I? Lucas - Well you had so much you wanted to do. You were so busy. I always sang to you, remember that. Will smiles - But I hated lullabies. Lucas - I tried everything. I tried nursery rhymes and I tried pop songs. I even tried a little hip hop but nothing worked. All you liked, you liked the old stuff. You liked Chuck Berry. That was your favourite. Will - I know. I Find My Baby. Lucas - Yeah, that's right. I sang that to you like a million times man. Will - Just when you thought I was asleep I'd pop open my eyes and say thank you Dad, sing it to me one more time. Lucas - I always would. I could never say no to you. I always tried to protect you. I did. I tried to give you the best life I could. He sits down and cries. Will - Is it my fault, the drinking? Lucas - No! No, it's not. I would never blame you. I would never blame my perfect son for that. You have to understand that you were taken too soon. You were taken too soon. All I had left was the pain. I couldn't hear the music anymore. I couldn't remember the lyrics. I ... I didn't know what to do. I couldn't sing to my boy again. He weeps. Segment 2 JJ - Yeah I heard that Uncle Lucas fell off the wagon but I didn't know it was this bad. Paul - Yeah. I think this wedding is bringing up a lot of stuff for everyone that loved Will. I mean it's not easy for Sonny, I know that. JJ - How are you? Paul - Me? JJ - Yeah, how do you feel when people bring up Will. Paul - I understand that Will was important to Sonny. JJ - Doesn't mean you want it shoved in your face. Paul - Yeah, it's not how I see it. JJ - You two are getting married ... Paul - Hey we've got a little time before our appointments, let's grab some lunch. Abby and Gabi are sitting on the bench. Ari is twirling a small bouquet. Abby - That's some pretty good flower girl action there Ari. Gabi - Yeah she actually made me go get these flowers so she could practice. Abby - Is this for me? That's very sweet. You know you're going to be the prettiest flower girl that anybody's ever seen, right. I'm really glad that you're going to be a part of mine and Chad's wedding. Gabi - I thought you'd be at the church for all the wedding stuff. Abby - Oh yeah. We ran into a little snag. Gabi - What kind of snag? Abby - Lucas. He came in drunk and falling all over the place. He caused a big scene. Gabi - I'm so sorry about that. Abby - No, geez no. He mostly went after Sonny. Gabi - It feels like it's my fault because I was the one who sent Lucas to the church. Kate - Look I don't know what I can tell you. Jen - Please, you're a mother. You have to understand how concerned I am about Abigail and Thomas being in this family again. Kate - Yes of course I do but it's not like I can share any insider secrets with you, you own a newspaper. Jen - Okay let me start. Everyone knows that Hattie is the one who had Andre committed and we know that he's out of Bayview but at the press conference he said that he was divorcing you. Kate - Yes he did. Jen - Is he still doing that? What does that mean for the company? What does that mean for your status at the company? Look I know that to be CEO of DiMera you have to be in the family. Kate - I do have information for you but it absolutely has to be off the record. Jen - I can't promise you that. Kate - When you hear this you will know why ... Jen - Okay tell me what it is. Kate - Lucas is drinking again. Will sits by Lucas and puts his arm around his shoulder. I hate seeing you like this. Dad, I thought you had beaten your addiction. Lucas - You never beat it, you just hold on. Will - Well you were holding on for a long time. Lucas - It's because of Adrienne. After I lost you and your mother I never thought I'd be happy again. Adrienne came along. Will - She was really good for you. Lucas - Yeah she was. I remember Sonny once told me you were his anchor. Adrienne was mine. She kept me sober. Will - Now she's gone. Lucas - Yes now without her and life without you, there is no tomorrow. There's no future. The past is just full of pain, that's all it is. Will - Dad she left you. You have to deal with that. Lucas drinks. She abandoned me same way Sonny abandoned you. Chad - You did not abandon Will. Sonny - I left. I went to Paris. I was on another continent when he was murdered. Chad - That's not your fault. Sonny - I should have stuck around instead I just ran away. Chad - I loved Will, he was one of my best friends but we both know that he made a mistake. Sonny - Come on, don't say that. Chad - It's true. You two were married and he slept with another ... he slept with someone else. You had every right to be upset. Sonny - Will needed me and I needed him and if I would have stayed and just worked on our marriage like Will asked ... Chad - Don't do this to yourself. Sonny - Maybe he'd still be here Chad and maybe we would still be together. Chad - You don't know that. Sonny - At the very least if I hadn't left Will wouldn't have died thinking that I didn't love him. Will - I don't blame Sonny for anything. Lucas - He's moving on with his life. He's getting married again. He's acting like you never existed. Will - Well I want him to be happy and I think you should too. Lucas - Anybody could be happy. Sonny and Paul could be happy. Adrienne and Justin could be happy. I was supposed to get married here. I stood here like a dope and I waited for her to come down the aisle and marry me and it never happened. Will - Well maybe it wasn't meant to be. Maybe Adrienne was always going to end up with Justin. Lucas - Is that why you came here? Is that why you came all the way down here, to tell me that I never had a chance with Adrienne. Will - No Dad, I'm saying that maybe you are meant to be with someone else. Lucas - Yeah like who! Will - What about Mom? Lucas - Sami? Segment 3 JJ and Paul sit down at a table in the pub. Paul - Oh the things that Lucas said about Will! JJ - How'd Sonny react? Paul - He played it off like he was okay but I know that it brought up a lot of terrible memories and guilt. JJ - Guilt. Guilt for breaking up their relationship? That wasn't Sonny's fault. Paul - No it was mine. JJ - You didn't know Will was Sonny's husband when you guys hooked up. Paul - Yeah but once I found out I should have stepped back and let Will and Sonny work things out. Maybe if I had ... JJ - What? Will and Sonny would have stayed together? He wouldn't have been killed? Paul - Maybe. JJ - Stop Paul. Nothing that happened was because of you or Sonny or anyone else besides that psychopath Ben Weston. He murdered Will and two other people. He terrorized my sister. He had all of us fooled. Paul - It's just that ... JJ - You have nothing to feel guilty for. I thought that Sonny wouldn't get over Will but you brought love and happiness back into his life. You're the best thing that ever happened to him man. Gabi - Yeah Lucas was drunk and he tried to see Arianna so I sent him away. Maybe I told him you guys were working on the wedding so he thought you were at the church. Abby - Don't worry about it. You had no idea what he was going to do. Gabi - What did he say? Abby - What didn't he say. Well he went after Sonny for marrying Paul and for abandoning Will. And then he went on to bash the entire institution of marriage. Gabi - What! I can't believe that I missed that. Did you at least finish everything you needed to finish before he showed up. Abby - Yeah we just needed to let the priest know that it was going to be a double wedding and I think he was pretty surprised. Gabi - Well yeah, so was I. Abby - I'm sure that did come as a shock, yeah. You didn't realise what you were getting yourself into when you said Arianna could be Sonny's flower girl. Gabi - No but look at her, she's really excited. She made me buy her those flowers. Abby - Obviously you want your daughter to be present for her Dad's wedding so I guess the question is whether you've decided whether or not you're going to be present for mine and Chad's. Sonny - The whole time I was gone I was thinking about Will, missing him. Then I got his message. I listened to that thing so many times I pretty much had it memorized. I love you so much Sonny. And even if I don't get the chance to get back together with you I have to make this right for you. I love you. I love you. I was going to plan a trip home. I just wanted him to know how much that message meant to me and that I still love him. If I had just come home one day earlier Chad, just one day earlier. Chad - Sonny you have to forgive yourself. It's what Will would want okay. He'd want you to be happy. He'd want you to fall in love again. He definitely wouldn't want his father of all people to be the one who stands in the way of that. Lucas - You more than anyone knows what it was like when your mother and I were together. It was a disaster. Will - Not always. Lucas - We fought all the time. Will - Mostly over me. Lucas - You were the thing that connected us. I mean without you we would have killed each other. Will - You and Mom loved each other for a long time. Lucas - Your mother and I had a lot of good times together. We raised a lot of hell. Will - And I know you still think about her. Lucas - Your Mom will always hold a special place in my heart. There's only one Sami Brady in this world. Will nods - Thank God. Lucas - Mostly I'm grateful for you and Ali. I know that you wanted your parents to get back together but sorry, it looks like that's not going to happen. Will - Okay. Well if not Mom how about somebody else? Lucas - Have you taken a good look at me lately. One belligerent drunk with no job. I'm not exactly a catch. Will - You can't give up on yourself Dad or on love. Lucas - Son, sometimes love gives up on you. Will - Okay fine. You want to give up, fine, quit. Go ahead, quit on life. Just fall down to the bottom of that bottle and die. That's a great way to honour my memory. Segment 4 Jen - I know that Lucas is drinking again. I tried to get him to go to a meeting with me and he just won't do it. Kate - Could you keep trying? Jen - He's not taking my calls at this point. Kate - I tried to get through to him too but I think that I just made things worse. Jen - How? Kate - The first time that I found out that he was drinking I gave him a warning and then when I caught him again I fired him. I know, please don't judge. Jen - No I'm not judging you. I know you have a business to run. Kate - It wasn't just about the business. I ... I feel so helpless as a parent watching my child lose to an addiction. I thought that I could give him a wakeup call and I think that it all just backfired. Jen - There's no easy answers. Maybe you need to let him hit rock bottom and when he gets to that place he can pull himself back up. Kate - I just hope someone can reach him, I really do, before he throws his entire life away. Lucas - You know I've already gotten a lecture from your Grandmother and Jennifer. I don't need a lecture from my dead son too. Will - Well I'm in your head so you brought me here for a reason. Lucas - Yeah because I'm drunk, that's the reason. If you're going to try to guilt me into going to rehab you are wasting your time. Will - I've got nothing but time actually. Lucas - Right, that's what I used to think to. He drinks. Will - So that's your plan. Wallow in your pain instead of dealing with it. Lucas - You got a better one. Drink. Sonny - If I could just talk to Will one more time, just to let him know that I forgive him and that I never stopped loving him. Chad - He knows. Trust me, I'm sure he knows. Things don't always go as planned. I know that I'm stating the obvious but what I'm trying to say is when that happens you've got to come up with a new plan. Look at me and Abby. Sonny - You both are getting a second chance and I'm so happy for you. Chad - So are you! Sonny you are getting a second chance. Paul is your second chance. Paul - So before I came along Sonny and Will, they were happy, right. JJ - Mostly, why? Paul - I want to know about them, not just the legend of Sonny and Will, I want to know the truth. JJ - Truth. They fought to be together and when they finally were it really seemed to work. Paul - And Sonny seemed happy? JJ - Yeah he did. After spending all those years travelling the world Will grounded him. Sonny around Will just seemed lighter. Like I said they just worked. Paul - And everyone knew it. JJ - Yeah it was kind of hard to miss what they had going on, their connection. Paul - So you would say it was true love for the both of them. JJ - Yeah I'd say that. Paul look man if you're worried that Sonny doesn't love you as much as he loved Will don't go there. They're in the past. You and Sonny have your whole lives ahead of you together. Segment 5 Gabi - Look it's your wedding and you have enough to worry about so I really don't want you worrying about me. Abby - You're my friend, your feelings are important to me okay. But at the same time if you don't want to come to the wedding I do understand. What are you thinking right now? Gabi - Abigail everything that's happened has been really hard and I know that I've got plenty of time before I totally get over it but I'm trying and everyday I'm getting better and better. And I've got Arianna, she's my best friend so yeah. Abby - So does that mean you're going to come to the wedding. Gabi - Seeing you guys happy and seeing Sonny finally marry Paul and seeing him happy, that matters more than whatever I'm feeling so yeah, of course I'm going to be there. Abby - I really do love you. Gabi - And I love you very much too. And just so you know Eli asked me if I wanted to go with him to your wedding so I won't be all that pitiful by myself. Abby - Oh come on, you're not pitiful. You're beautiful and you're a great person. Gabi - So are you. Come here. Hug. Abby - So Eli huh. Gabi - Oh no, oh no. It's not a date or anything. Abby - I'm just glad you're going to be there. Gabi - Me too. Sonny - You know what, you're right. I'm not going to let Lucas's drunk rant spoil my wedding or even my day. Chad - There he is! Sonny's back in the game. You want to know why, because you're lucky. I mean how many people get to say they're marrying their best friend. I don't know, not many, but you are. You and Paul make a great couple. Sonny - Well thank you. I also want to apologise. Chad - Why's that? Sonny - I mean nobody's going to be looking at you at your wedding because I'm going to be so damned smashing in my new tuxedo. Chad - No, I may be bias but I think they're going to be looking at Abby. Sonny - Okay you're probably right. And you know what Lucas said about most marriages ending in divorce ... Chad - Screw those statistics. Sonny - Exactly! Love is all about beating the odds and I'm betting on you and Abigail and Paul and me. Hug. Thank you. Paul - It just seems like Sonny and Will, they were the couple. THE couple. People talk about their wedding like it was a royal event. How do you live up to that? JJ - You don't have to. Look man, you and Sonny belong together. You guys are the present and the future just like I said. You and Sonny, end of story. Paul - Okay. Yeah, you're right. JJ - I know I'm right. So how about we go get our tuxes so you don't have to get married in your jeans. Paul - I wouldn't mind that, I'd be a lot more comfortable. JJ - You're not supposed to be comfortable at your own wedding. Paul chuckles - God forbid. Kate - I can't understand Adrienne. She was so heartless. She just dumped him you know. She was my friend. I thought she loved Lucas. Jen - Yeah I know. Adrienne has not even been herself lately. Kate - How's that? Jen - I don't know. She's been neglecting her work. She's been distracted and so distant. Kate - What do you think it means? Jen - I have no idea. It's like overnight she completely changed her mind about all of the things and the people she cares about. Kate - Well Lucas got the brunt of that. Jen - You know that we can't blame Adrienne for everything that's happened with Lucas. When you're an addict it's not one thing that pushes you over that cliff. Kate - You're right, I think this has been building for a long time. Lucas was never really the same after we lost Will. Lucas takes another drink. Will - Oh yeah, keep throwing back the drinks Dad. That'll make everything better. Lucas - It numbs the pain. Will - Is that how you want to live? Numb. Lucas - You know what, why don't you leave me alone. You aren't real. You don't exist. You're guilt and you're conscious and you're whiskey all mixed together. Why don't you just rest in peace and leave me be! Will - You want to give up on life, fine. You want to give up on love, fine. Don't give up on the people who love you. Allie, Mom, Grandma, Jennifer, Hope, Abigail and JJ, my baby girl Arianna. (Lucas is crying). Dad, I'm counting on you to be there for her. Lucas - They won't let me near her. They think I'm a bad influence. Will - When you're like this they're right. You love that baby girl and she loves you. When I showed up you were complaining to God that you're all alone but that's not true. We know that's not true. Maybe you're too wasted to see it but there are so many people who love you Dad and if you let them in and if you let them help you I promise you will never be alone. Segment 6 The tailor is at the K mansion. I'll start by taking your measurements. Now which one of you is the groom? Sonny - We both are. Tailor - You make a very, very handsome couple. Sonny - Oh you think that we ... Chad puts his hand on Sonny's shoulder - We thank you for noticing. Everybody says that. Yeah my Sonny bunny, against all odds we found our way to each other and I'm the luckiest man in the world. Kate - So what do we do now, just wait for the bottom to fall out. Jen - We tell him that we love him and that we will be here for him when he's ready. Kate - What if he never is? What if he can't come back from this. Jen - He will. He will and we have to have faith. There are a lot of people who love him but he only has one mother. Kate - I know but he doesn't want to hear from me. Even if Lucas did I don't know where he is. Abby comes in. I know where he is. He needs you both right now. Will touches the flask. Put the bottle down Dad. It's okay. Lucas - I can't give it up. Please. When it's in my hand then I don't have to deal with Gabi and Sonny not letting me see my Granddaughter. I don't have to deal with my Mom firing me from my job. I don't have to imagine Adrienne in Justin's arms. And I don't have to have that memory I keep having every time I look at my beautiful son. He cries. That memory that I have when you were in the morgue laying on that slab. I can't do that. Will - Dad ... Lucas - You can't take this from me ... drink ... Will - So you'd rather drink yourself to death. Lucas - You're not taking this away from me. It's all I have left. Will - How about you hold on to me. He holds out his arms. Segment 7 Lucas - I love you more than my own life but you're not real. You're not here. You can't help me. Will drops his arms and sighs. Since I'm not getting through to you I should go. I love you Dad. Lucas - I love you buddy. He runs after Will and runs into a pew and falls on to the floor. The tailor is measuring Sonny. (Chad is gone). Sonny - You've got to make sure this is ready for the wedding. Paul comes in - Word of warning, this man is going to make you look so good business is going to double. Kiss. Tailor - Who are you? Paul holds out his hand - I'm Paul, the other groom. Tailor - 3 grooms? Sonny - Thank you. I'm looking forward to seeing the tux. The tailor leaves. Paul - What was that all about? Sonny - Nothing. You and JJ get your tuxedos situated. Paul - Yeah we're all suited up. How are things going here? Sonny - Good. Chad and I are all set too. Paul - Actually I meant after what happened at the church with Lucas. Sonny - Oh that. Paul - Yeah that. Sonny - It did bring up some emotions and some memories. Paul - Yeah me too. I think you and I need to have a long talk about Will and we need to do it before we get married. Kate and Jen run into St. Luke's calling out Lucas name. Are you here? Jen sees him first and rushes to his side. OMG, Lucas. Kate gets down on the floor with her. Lucas! Wake up. 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| truluvpassions07 | Sep 18 2017, 04:22 PM Post #229 |
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Yes, the conversation was mature and respectful for the most part. I should have probably been more specific that his whole line about Paul being the best thing that ever happened to Sonny was what I really took exception to and was what came off as being disloyal to Will. For him to sit there and say that Will and Sonny had true love only to turn around and say that Paul was the best thing to happen to him is a huge contradiction. |
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| Cimz | Sep 18 2017, 04:25 PM Post #230 |
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Nothing Lucas said to Sonny was okay and it's all right for Sonny to be pissed. Lucas himself has basically admitted that he was out of line and Lucas would never behave this way sober. But I really disliked Sonny today because 1. Literally everyone else in Salem has reacted to Lucas' behavior with compassion, making Sonny's lack thereof glaring. Now I'd give Sonny a pass on that because of his particular situation except... 2. Sonny has been a jerk to Lucas for a while now re: Adrienne, and he made a point of claiming that he hadn't been, and, most importantly... 3. Sonny spewing garbage about Lucas' history with alcohol really rubbed me the wrong way. As many years as Sonny has been in Salem, he has never seen Lucas drunk. He doesn't get to act like Lucas falls off the wagon all the time. He especially doesn't get to act like Lucas is mean when he does fall off the wagon. Whatever Will may have said to Sonny about how hard Lucas' addiction made Will's childhood, I'm sure Will would never have said that because it simply isn't true. |
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| am103 | Sep 18 2017, 04:31 PM Post #231 |
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Yeah, I interpreted it differently. I see it as JJ acknowledging that Will and Sonny were in love at one point but now Will is "dead" and Sonny has moved on with Paul. I don't think it's disrespectful at all to say Paul is the best thing to happen to Sonny now that he has found love again after his loss. It's very honest and relatable IMO. |
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| laurondo | Sep 18 2017, 04:32 PM Post #232 |
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I didn't really mean that Sonny was right in what he said, just that his anger made sense to me. I'd be angry too if someone did that to me. But I agree with what Lysie said earlier in that I don't think FS was supposed to play Sonny that angry at Lucas. |
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| LOA37 | Sep 18 2017, 05:13 PM Post #233 |
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I think it's because there are no other females in the Gabi/Abby age bracket (except maybe Lani sort of) so to make them normal and actually people with friends, they have to repair that relationship...even though it makes no sense. Without Stephanie, Melanie, and Chelsea, Gabi is really the only option. And even JJ and Paul is obviously to integrate JJ into a larger circle because he was the kid brother and was much younger than Abby's crew but it seems Ron is trying to really create connections between characters and interweave stories, which I like a lot. |
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| LOA37 | Sep 18 2017, 05:14 PM Post #234 |
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Yeah, FS was a bit over the top in the way he played the anger. It seemed disproportionate and lacked any compassion for the fact that the man's daughter lives across the country, he lost his son tragically and then was unceremoniously dumped by his fiance. |
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| BeeBee | Sep 18 2017, 05:22 PM Post #235 |
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The Lucas/Will scenes were the best that I have seem on Days in quite some time.I was actually moved to tears during them.I was somewhat apprehensive about CM's return as Will because I dreaded seeing him smirking his way through his scenes but I must admit that I was pleasantly surprised at how well his scenes played out.I was truly impressed by BD and CM. |
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| BeeBee | Sep 18 2017, 05:35 PM Post #236 |
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I don't really have a problem with the Abby/Gabi relationship.Even though Abby was having emotional /psychological problems when she made the decision to let Chad believe she was dead,she still probably feels somewhat guilty that this decision lead to Chad and Gabi getting involved in a relationship initially.There is also a family connection in that Gabi is the mother of her cousins' daughter.If their can be romantic pairings regardless of the past history between the persons in the pairing,I don't have a huge problem with Abby and Gabi remaining friends.I can believe that Abby doesn't hate Gabi for what happened between her and Chad given the circumstances and believing that Gabi wants Abby and Chad to be happy as much as she wants Sonny and Paul to be happy. |
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| trainwreck | Sep 18 2017, 05:38 PM Post #237 |
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With it being so new and not fitting with cultural expectations of a "traditional wedding", when it comes to same-sex weddings, there is no such thing as a "normal wedding thing"! Keeps things exciting :D |
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| ArizonaDaze | Sep 18 2017, 06:00 PM Post #238 |
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Alrighty then, I enjoyed most of the show today. The Lucas/Will scenes were the highlight for me. Like others have said, I don't get the Abby/Gabi friendship at all. They need new friends. I could see Abby and Lani become friends as they have worked together(except bland & bland = boring). I don't care much for Sonny/Freddie so I just kind of ignore his scenes but the first one was really bad. I wish he would have played a quieter anger instead of the same type of anger he displayed with Deimos. For those who thought the convo between JJ and Paul might be disrespectful, I agree with am103's assessment of it. (Paul being the best thing that has happened to Sonny SINCE WILL DIED.) |
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| Deverauxfan | Sep 18 2017, 06:32 PM Post #239 |
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Bellarke <3
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That's not really true. There were problems before Will left for LA. |
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| Bbv1234 | Sep 18 2017, 06:38 PM Post #240 |
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I have to say today was the best episode I have seen in years. Fantastic acting from the entire cast featured in this episode !! |
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