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Renee Dimera
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Sep 19 2017, 07:32 AM
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- Aquamarine
- Sep 19 2017, 06:43 AM
I loved Lucas and Will, they were both great! I wasn't watching regularly when CM was on, but I really liked him today. But I didn't really care for GW's Will though. Chad and Sonny were good, and cute together. The tailor was like, what did I sign up for? Three grooms? LOL I even enjoyed JJ and Paul. It was nice seeing them together, that doesn't happen often. I was surprised JJ said Ben killed 2 other people, but didn't mention Paige's name. And I really like JJ's beard. It makes him look older, and I can almost believe he is a cop now. :)Kate and Jennifer were also good. I didn't hate Abby and Gabi, but....... enough already! Is it wrong that I want Paige to be alive? I really want her to come back to town, tell Eve and JJ, "The hell with you both. I'm going to Stanford and make something of my life," then leave. :laugh:
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Sep 19 2017, 07:50 AM
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- seanny
- Sep 19 2017, 03:19 AM
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- Sep 18 2017, 09:28 PM
On Freddy and his acting, WTF was that? I mean,Sonny's anger I guess is fine, but he needs to realize that Lucas was not sober, is hurting and clearly thinks Freddy moved on from Will while he (Lucas) has not been able to get passed his death. FS was way OTT today, clearly the weakest acting of the bunch
His acting this episode was the best since he's been back on the show IMO. Lucas went way OTT in trying (and succeeding) to make Sonny feel guilty about moving on with Paul. Why is Sonny not allowed to have an OTT reaction to Lucas' behavior? Being drunk is no excuse to be as nasty and belligerent as Lucas was. Heck, Sonny didn't even know that Kate fired him that day so he wouldn't know that should consider that. Lucas' attack came completely out of left field to Sonny. Frankly, I'm surprised that Lucas went "off the wagon" just because Adrienne dumped him. The way BD plays him normally, he doesn't come across as someone who would become this emotionally needy or unstable under these circumstances. I feel like I'm watching that fool Brady. Yes. There's also the matter of Will's death but Lucas rarely mentioned until last week so I assumed he had adapted to the lost already. I don't think anyone has said that Lucas's words shouldn't have affected Sonny. Just that his reaction should have been different. He acted completely clueless to the effects of alcohol and grief. While being drunk isn't an excuse, it's definitely a reason. There should have been a lot more than anger there.
It's been stated over and over again on the show and was explicitly mentioned and discussed in dialogue yesterday that Lucas didn't get off the wagon "just because" Adrienne dumped him.
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Sep 19 2017, 07:53 AM
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I loved Lucas and Will, they were both great! I wasn't watching regularly when CM was on, but I really liked him today. But I didn't really care for GW's Will though. Chad and Sonny were good, and cute together. The tailor was like, what did I sign up for? Three grooms? LOL I even enjoyed JJ and Paul. It was nice seeing them together, that doesn't happen often. I was surprised JJ said Ben killed 2 other people, but didn't mention Paige's name. And I really like JJ's beard. It makes him look older, and I can almost believe he is a cop now. :)Kate and Jennifer were also good. I didn't hate Abby and Gabi, but....... enough already!
Is it wrong that I want Paige to be alive? I really want her to come back to town, tell Eve and JJ, "The hell with you both. I'm going to Stanford and make something of my life," then leave. :laugh: It is wrong. :P
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Sep 19 2017, 08:32 AM
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- seanny
- Sep 19 2017, 03:19 AM
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- Sep 18 2017, 09:28 PM
On Freddy and his acting, WTF was that? I mean,Sonny's anger I guess is fine, but he needs to realize that Lucas was not sober, is hurting and clearly thinks Freddy moved on from Will while he (Lucas) has not been able to get passed his death. FS was way OTT today, clearly the weakest acting of the bunch
His acting this episode was the best since he's been back on the show IMO. Lucas went way OTT in trying (and succeeding) to make Sonny feel guilty about moving on with Paul. Why is Sonny not allowed to have an OTT reaction to Lucas' behavior? Being drunk is no excuse to be as nasty and belligerent as Lucas was. Heck, Sonny didn't even know that Kate fired him that day so he wouldn't know that should consider that. Lucas' attack came completely out of left field to Sonny. Frankly, I'm surprised that Lucas went "off the wagon" just because Adrienne dumped him. The way BD plays him normally, he doesn't come across as someone who would become this emotionally needy or unstable under these circumstances. I feel like I'm watching that fool Brady. Yes. There's also the matter of Will's death but Lucas rarely mentioned until last week so I assumed he had adapted to the lost already. I'm really thinking that Ron is going for having Sonny showcase some sense of guilt now because it's sort of makes sense with what we know is coming down the road in a few weeks. The scenes at the church were necessary as they likely are a trigger to him dreaming about Will and conversing with Paul about his true feelings for Will still. I expect him to tell Paul that he will never stop loving Will, even in death, he loves and will love him for as long as he lives. Obviously this talk will likely be flash backed to in the future by Paul when Will is found alive. It's a relatively good plot point to have in this story. My problem with Sonny's behavior yesterday was that Sonny was making it sound that he has been a target of Lucas drunk inducing rages before, when he has never experienced drunk Lucas until he saw him in the church. He also doesn't actually realize just how destructive he was to Lucas and Adrienne's relationship when he pretty much stood aside and wanted his father to walk in on Ludrienne wedding day. In theory, and I know this is a soap that changed writers recently, I can't remember a time that Sonny deeply thought about Will's passing, how he was with Will and how he could have changed things to maybe make Will's final days better. It's not Sonny's fault that Paul cheated, but Sonny did leave Will in Salem alone instead of facing the circumstances head on, and wanting to work toward a reconciliation, he ran from the problem instead of facing it...then Will is killed, and I never truly saw guilt coming from Paul then, but I'm glad Ron is touching on it now, as he should be.
I also think it's obvious now that Adrienne's breakup was the final straw, and not the only thing that lead him to drink again. Sure the circumstances of what happened, and how it happened (shit she dumps him after sleeping with him and professing her love for him just that morning) sort of triggers it, but it's clear that he clearly never properly dealt with Will's passing. He didn't go to therapy, didn't see him talking to Marlena or anything about his feelings, Sami takes Allie back then and it's been years that he's seen her, then to top it all off his behavior has made Gabi stop him from being around Arianna. The only thing he can hold onto at this point is the thing that won't go away until he puts it to rest....the bottle.
Oh one last thing, I also think it's stupid for Sonny to say that he'll never forgive Lucas for bringing up Will's name....come again Sonny? Will was Lucas' son before and after he became your husband...he could mention him whenever the hell he wants.
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Sep 19 2017, 08:37 AM
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- Sep 19 2017, 02:43 AM
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- Sep 18 2017, 09:52 PM
I don't care if you're a hallucination Will - I'm going to have to slap you if you ever suggest that again.
I can not take another round of Lucas being dumped by Sami.
I can it was highlight for me seeing Lucas dumped by Sami i just saw these scenes and so obvious why they brought Will back so it could bring Lumi close together again. But from what i hear Sami will still be wearing's EJ wedding ring when she returns so he still won't be rid of him even in death i don't why Lucas would want Sami if this is true. The guy is beyond pathetic you know he going be begging Sami for another chance and she will feel sorry for him again and reunite with him then probably dump him again. As for the scenes i actually thought they were pretty good BD and CM did well in the acting out the scenes but i do think they were a bit silly because we all know Will did actually die this is not realistic to me Ben strangled the life out of him but what ever. On the first part of your post...Sami dumped Lucas and Lucas dumped Sami...so whatever....and if you take pleasure in her dumping him, then remember how easily she gets back together with him (and any other man too)....so yeah...
On the bold: Did you even watch the show yesterday? Because if you did, the bolded makes absolutely no fucking sense...just saying.
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Sep 19 2017, 09:06 AM
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- Sep 19 2017, 08:32 AM
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- Sep 18 2017, 09:28 PM
On Freddy and his acting, WTF was that? I mean,Sonny's anger I guess is fine, but he needs to realize that Lucas was not sober, is hurting and clearly thinks Freddy moved on from Will while he (Lucas) has not been able to get passed his death. FS was way OTT today, clearly the weakest acting of the bunch
His acting this episode was the best since he's been back on the show IMO. Lucas went way OTT in trying (and succeeding) to make Sonny feel guilty about moving on with Paul. Why is Sonny not allowed to have an OTT reaction to Lucas' behavior? Being drunk is no excuse to be as nasty and belligerent as Lucas was. Heck, Sonny didn't even know that Kate fired him that day so he wouldn't know that should consider that. Lucas' attack came completely out of left field to Sonny. Frankly, I'm surprised that Lucas went "off the wagon" just because Adrienne dumped him. The way BD plays him normally, he doesn't come across as someone who would become this emotionally needy or unstable under these circumstances. I feel like I'm watching that fool Brady. Yes. There's also the matter of Will's death but Lucas rarely mentioned until last week so I assumed he had adapted to the lost already.
I'm really thinking that Ron is going for having Sonny showcase some sense of guilt now because it's sort of makes sense with what we know is coming down the road in a few weeks. The scenes at the church were necessary as they likely are a trigger to him dreaming about Will and conversing with Paul about his true feelings for Will still. I expect him to tell Paul that he will never stop loving Will, even in death, he loves and will love him for as long as he lives. Obviously this talk will likely be flash backed to in the future by Paul when Will is found alive. It's a relatively good plot point to have in this story. My problem with Sonny's behavior yesterday was that Sonny was making it sound that he has been a target of Lucas drunk inducing rages before, when he has never experienced drunk Lucas until he saw him in the church. He also doesn't actually realize just how destructive he was to Lucas and Adrienne's relationship when he pretty much stood aside and wanted his father to walk in on Ludrienne wedding day. In theory, and I know this is a soap that changed writers recently, I can't remember a time that Sonny deeply thought about Will's passing, how he was with Will and how he could have changed things to maybe make Will's final days better. It's not Sonny's fault that Paul cheated, but Sonny did leave Will in Salem alone instead of facing the circumstances head on, and wanting to work toward a reconciliation, he ran from the problem instead of facing it...then Will is killed, and I never truly saw guilt coming from Paul then, but I'm glad Ron is touching on it now, as he should be. I also think it's obvious now that Adrienne's breakup was the final straw, and not the only thing that lead him to drink again. Sure the circumstances of what happened, and how it happened (shit she dumps him after sleeping with him and professing her love for him just that morning) sort of triggers it, but it's clear that he clearly never properly dealt with Will's passing. He didn't go to therapy, didn't see him talking to Marlena or anything about his feelings, Sami takes Allie back then and it's been years that he's seen her, then to top it all off his behavior has made Gabi stop him from being around Arianna. The only thing he can hold onto at this point is the thing that won't go away until he puts it to rest....the bottle. Oh one last thing, I also think it's stupid for Sonny to say that he'll never forgive Lucas for bringing up Will's name....come again Sonny? Will was Lucas' son before and after he became your husband...he could mention him whenever the hell he wants. So much this. Exxcuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Sonny? Lucas is not allowed to bring up his own son's name? GTFO with that, he can bring up the name of his oldest recently deceased child any damn time he pleases. It was that kind of intolerant vitriol that shifted Sonny's reaction from understandably angry and indignant, into OTT, just really mean territory. Unless all of that was just crazy displaced guilt, in which case I have no problem with Sonny feeling tortured that way. Except he seemed to get over it pretty quickly.....
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Sep 19 2017, 09:08 AM
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I like Gabi and I hope she and Abby spend less time together, no reason to be reminded of that awful time with Chad. I know many dislike Gabi for various reasons, but I think she could be good on the show if they actually gave the character some true direction. Almost 10 months later and I still can't relate to this version of Abby to what happen to Chabby two years ago.
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Sep 19 2017, 09:27 AM
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I don't care if you're a hallucination Will - I'm going to have to slap you if you ever suggest that again.
I can not take another round of Lucas being dumped by Sami.
I can it was highlight for me seeing Lucas dumped by Sami i just saw these scenes and so obvious why they brought Will back so it could bring Lumi close together again. But from what i hear Sami will still be wearing's EJ wedding ring when she returns so he still won't be rid of him even in death i don't why Lucas would want Sami if this is true. The guy is beyond pathetic you know he going be begging Sami for another chance and she will feel sorry for him again and reunite with him then probably dump him again. As for the scenes i actually thought they were pretty good BD and CM did well in the acting out the scenes but i do think they were a bit silly because we all know Will did actually die this is not realistic to me Ben strangled the life out of him but what ever.
On the first part of your post...Sami dumped Lucas and Lucas dumped Sami...so whatever....and if you take pleasure in her dumping him, then remember how easily she gets back together with him (and any other man too)....so yeah... On the bold: Did you even watch the show yesterday? Because if you did, the bolded makes absolutely no fucking sense...just saying. Are you saying Ben never strangled Will to death?
Those were the scenes i saw in 2015 now i know the show is changing history with this story line but to many this is a silly story line but i am happy Sami and Lucas gets their son back believe it or not no parent should go through the pain of losing their child they adored very much. As for me being happy about Sami dumping him in the past Luving you know i feel the same about Lucas the way you do about EJ you know this from day one nothing in wrong be honest right. I think they will be a mini reunion with Lumi and to be honest i don't think Sami will dump him i think it will end with them still been friends assuming BD is not leaving if he is then who knows Days may ship them off together if he is.
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Sep 19 2017, 09:54 AM
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I'm really thinking that Ron is going for having Sonny showcase some sense of guilt now because it's sort of makes sense with what we know is coming down the road in a few weeks. The scenes at the church were necessary as they likely are a trigger to him dreaming about Will and conversing with Paul about his true feelings for Will still. I expect him to tell Paul that he will never stop loving Will, even in death, he loves and will love him for as long as he lives. Obviously this talk will likely be flash backed to in the future by Paul when Will is found alive. It's a relatively good plot point to have in this story. My problem with Sonny's behavior yesterday was that Sonny was making it sound that he has been a target of Lucas drunk inducing rages before, when he has never experienced drunk Lucas until he saw him in the church. He also doesn't actually realize just how destructive he was to Lucas and Adrienne's relationship when he pretty much stood aside and wanted his father to walk in on Ludrienne wedding day. In theory, and I know this is a soap that changed writers recently, I can't remember a time that Sonny deeply thought about Will's passing, how he was with Will and how he could have changed things to maybe make Will's final days better. It's not Sonny's fault that Paul cheated, but Sonny did leave Will in Salem alone instead of facing the circumstances head on, and wanting to work toward a reconciliation, he ran from the problem instead of facing it...then Will is killed, and I never truly saw guilt coming from Paul then, but I'm glad Ron is touching on it now, as he should be. I also think it's obvious now that Adrienne's breakup was the final straw, and not the only thing that lead him to drink again. Sure the circumstances of what happened, and how it happened (shit she dumps him after sleeping with him and professing her love for him just that morning) sort of triggers it, but it's clear that he clearly never properly dealt with Will's passing. He didn't go to therapy, didn't see him talking to Marlena or anything about his feelings, Sami takes Allie back then and it's been years that he's seen her, then to top it all off his behavior has made Gabi stop him from being around Arianna. The only thing he can hold onto at this point is the thing that won't go away until he puts it to rest....the bottle. Oh one last thing, I also think it's stupid for Sonny to say that he'll never forgive Lucas for bringing up Will's name....come again Sonny? Will was Lucas' son before and after he became your husband...he could mention him whenever the hell he wants.
So much this. Exxcuuuuuuuuuuuse me, Sonny? Lucas is not allowed to bring up his own son's name? GTFO with that, he can bring up the name of his oldest recently deceased child any damn time he pleases. It was that kind of intolerant vitriol that shifted Sonny's reaction from understandably angry and indignant, into OTT, just really mean territory. Unless all of that was just crazy displaced guilt, in which case I have no problem with Sonny feeling tortured that way. Except he seemed to get over it pretty quickly..... You know it really could be greatly displaced guilt, but it really came off as just mean, maybe Freddie didn't act it the way he was supposed to? IDK...I think he was horrible in the beginning and by the end he was a bit better but then came the crap with him never forgiving Lucas for mentioning Will's name and I simply rolled my eyes....
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Sep 19 2017, 09:58 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep i do think they were a bit silly because we all know Will did actually die this is not realistic to me Ben strangled the life out of him but what ever.
On the first part of your post...Sami dumped Lucas and Lucas dumped Sami...so whatever....and if you take pleasure in her dumping him, then remember how easily she gets back together with him (and any other man too)....so yeah... On the bold: Did you even watch the show yesterday? Because if you did, the bolded makes absolutely no fucking sense...just saying.
Are you saying Ben never strangled Will to death? Those were the scenes i saw in 2015 now i know the show is changing history with this story line but to many this is a silly story line but i am happy Sami and Lucas gets their son back believe it or not no parent should go through the pain of losing their child they adored very much. As for me being happy about Sami dumping him in the past Luving you know i feel the same about Lucas the way you do about EJ you know this from day one nothing in wrong be honest right. I think they will be a mini reunion with Lumi and to be honest i don't think Sami will dump him i think it will end with them still been friends assuming BD is not leaving if he is then who knows Days may ship them off together if he is. Paul,
You specifically complimented the scenes yesterday, so I assume you watched them, and even in the chance that you didn't watch them, you had to read what others said about the scenes on this forum.
So you stating that the very first thing in that scene yesterday was Will telling Lucas that he was in Lucas' head...that he was a hallucination...meaning...he's dead or still dead....he's not YET alive....Lucas was hallucinating with Will....he came to him in his mind while in his drunken state.
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i do think they were a bit silly because we all know Will did actually die this is not realistic to me Ben strangled the life out of him but what ever.[
makes absolutely no sense...Will isn't YET alive...so what the hell are you talking about?
This quote would have been appropriate to discuss when we see the 'live' Will back in Salem...but as of now, it's not what's happening...so.....
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Sep 19 2017, 10:05 AM
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Just now watching:
*I get why Sonny is angry at Lucas and was one who thought between Gabi/Will/Sonny at one point Sonny was the best parent for Ari out of the three BUT I do not like the petulant way Freddie Smith is delivering his lines. He sounds like a brat throwing a tantrum. There's anger...righteous anger...and there's brat. If he was going for "brat," he nailed it.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:08 AM
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I never saw Sonny as abandoning Will but I did see him as having abandoned Arianna.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:11 AM
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And watching this I find myself really pissed that Sami took off with Allie. Very selfish of her.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:15 AM
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Jennifer and Kate: Mother to mother. Kate isn't Chad's mother. So this really weird.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:18 AM
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OK....listening to these convos is just making me very bothered by Sonny and Paul since Paul was at the heart of the problems between Sonny and Will.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:19 AM
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Quoting limited to 3 levels deep i do think they were a bit silly because we all know Will did actually die this is not realistic to me Ben strangled the life out of him but what ever.
Are you saying Ben never strangled Will to death? Those were the scenes i saw in 2015 now i know the show is changing history with this story line but to many this is a silly story line but i am happy Sami and Lucas gets their son back believe it or not no parent should go through the pain of losing their child they adored very much. As for me being happy about Sami dumping him in the past Luving you know i feel the same about Lucas the way you do about EJ you know this from day one nothing in wrong be honest right. I think they will be a mini reunion with Lumi and to be honest i don't think Sami will dump him i think it will end with them still been friends assuming BD is not leaving if he is then who knows Days may ship them off together if he is.
Paul, You specifically complimented the scenes yesterday, so I assume you watched them, and even in the chance that you didn't watch them, you had to read what others said about the scenes on this forum. So you stating that the very first thing in that scene yesterday was Will telling Lucas that he was in Lucas' head...that he was a hallucination...meaning...he's dead or still dead....he's not YET alive....Lucas was hallucinating with Will....he came to him in his mind while in his drunken state. So you stating this about yesterday's scenes - Quote:
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i do think they were a bit silly because we all know Will did actually die this is not realistic to me Ben strangled the life out of him but what ever.[
makes absolutely no sense...Will isn't YET alive...so what the hell are you talking about? This quote would have been appropriate to discuss when we see the 'live' Will back in Salem...but as of now, it's not what's happening...so..... I wasn't referring to yesterday's scenes luving i meant the whole story line of them bringing Will back from the dead its not realistic to me we saw Sami and Lucas in the morgue crying over his dead body. I know Days bring back many characters back from the dead so i am happy for fans of Will and Lumi. I did watch the scenes and i know it was Lucas imagination and thought the scenes would very well acted it out and CM hasn't changed one bit he hasn't aged at all.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:22 AM
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Yes, Paul, you should have stepped back when you found out about Will and Sonny.
I was very annoyed back then.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:27 AM
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I can agree with Chad that Will would want Sonny to be happy but I am not convinced he'd be all right with it being Paul.
I'll admit, I'm really curious now where this is going with Chandler back.
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Sep 19 2017, 10:41 AM
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I find myself feeling so bad for the real Adrienne.
Pretty much everyone is Salem is blaming her for something she didn't do and I'm wondering how she's going to integrate back.
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Sep 19 2017, 12:24 PM
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On Freddy and his acting, WTF was that? I mean,Sonny's anger I guess is fine, but he needs to realize that Lucas was not sober, is hurting and clearly thinks Freddy moved on from Will while he (Lucas) has not been able to get passed his death. FS was way OTT today, clearly the weakest acting of the bunch
His acting this episode was the best since he's been back on the show IMO. Lucas went way OTT in trying (and succeeding) to make Sonny feel guilty about moving on with Paul. Why is Sonny not allowed to have an OTT reaction to Lucas' behavior? Being drunk is no excuse to be as nasty and belligerent as Lucas was. Heck, Sonny didn't even know that Kate fired him that day so he wouldn't know that should consider that. Lucas' attack came completely out of left field to Sonny. Frankly, I'm surprised that Lucas went "off the wagon" just because Adrienne dumped him. The way BD plays him normally, he doesn't come across as someone who would become this emotionally needy or unstable under these circumstances. I feel like I'm watching that fool Brady. Yes. There's also the matter of Will's death but Lucas rarely mentioned until last week so I assumed he had adapted to the lost already.
I'm really thinking that Ron is going for having Sonny showcase some sense of guilt now because it's sort of makes sense with what we know is coming down the road in a few weeks. The scenes at the church were necessary as they likely are a trigger to him dreaming about Will and conversing with Paul about his true feelings for Will still. I expect him to tell Paul that he will never stop loving Will, even in death, he loves and will love him for as long as he lives. Obviously this talk will likely be flash backed to in the future by Paul when Will is found alive. It's a relatively good plot point to have in this story. My problem with Sonny's behavior yesterday was that Sonny was making it sound that he has been a target of Lucas drunk inducing rages before, when he has never experienced drunk Lucas until he saw him in the church. He also doesn't actually realize just how destructive he was to Lucas and Adrienne's relationship when he pretty much stood aside and wanted his father to walk in on Ludrienne wedding day. In theory, and I know this is a soap that changed writers recently, I can't remember a time that Sonny deeply thought about Will's passing, how he was with Will and how he could have changed things to maybe make Will's final days better. It's not Sonny's fault that Paul cheated, but Sonny did leave Will in Salem alone instead of facing the circumstances head on, and wanting to work toward a reconciliation, he ran from the problem instead of facing it...then Will is killed, and I never truly saw guilt coming from Paul then, but I'm glad Ron is touching on it now, as he should be. I also think it's obvious now that Adrienne's breakup was the final straw, and not the only thing that lead him to drink again. Sure the circumstances of what happened, and how it happened (shit she dumps him after sleeping with him and professing her love for him just that morning) sort of triggers it, but it's clear that he clearly never properly dealt with Will's passing. He didn't go to therapy, didn't see him talking to Marlena or anything about his feelings, Sami takes Allie back then and it's been years that he's seen her, then to top it all off his behavior has made Gabi stop him from being around Arianna. The only thing he can hold onto at this point is the thing that won't go away until he puts it to rest....the bottle. Oh one last thing, I also think it's stupid for Sonny to say that he'll never forgive Lucas for bringing up Will's name....come again Sonny? Will was Lucas' son before and after he became your husband...he could mention him whenever the hell he wants. I found the last part to be really strange. Lucas IS Will's father so he has every right to bring up his son's name as often as he wants to. That part of Sonny's response about never forgiving Lucas was absurd. The man lost his son, fiance, job, doesn't see his daughter, can't see his granddaughter and you can't forgive him? Oh and he isn't supposed to mention his son? No. Just no.
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