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Spoilers for the Week of October 9th
Topic Started: Sep 27 2017, 06:18 PM (41,609 Views)
Hugo


My guess is that people try to contact Sami but she doesn't get back to them. Lucas is a drunk. When John and Marlena talked the other day, they thought Will being alive was possible because they saw it happen so many times. So if Paul begs John to help him do this, I can understand why he would. He probably wants to know himself.
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Oct 5 2017, 11:26 PM

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I mean... probably. I can't see John going along with the idea simply because Paul and/or Sonny ask him to. Marlena probably hears about it and urges John to do it.
Again I don't see Marlena as someone who would go against the parents wishes.

I see her as someone who would work to convince Lucas that this is the best way forward... to clear up any questions.

I mean its not as though Will / the body is going anywhere.....
According to Ben, it already did. ;)

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Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 12:29 AM
My guess is that people try to contact Sami but she doesn't get back to them. Lucas is a drunk. When John and Marlena talked the other day, they thought Will being alive was possible because they saw it happen so many times. So if Paul begs John to help him do this, I can understand why he would. He probably wants to know himself.
I feel like Paul wants people to know that Ben is a liar and can't be trusted. But if it's true, that is what Paul is afraid of. That Sonny would go back to Will.
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Hugo


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Oct 6 2017, 01:53 AM
Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 12:29 AM
My guess is that people try to contact Sami but she doesn't get back to them. Lucas is a drunk. When John and Marlena talked the other day, they thought Will being alive was possible because they saw it happen so many times. So if Paul begs John to help him do this, I can understand why he would. He probably wants to know himself.
I feel like Paul wants people to know that Ben is a liar and can't be trusted. But if it's true, that is what Paul is afraid of. That Sonny would go back to Will.
Paul doesn't think that Will is alive so it's easier to take that risk but I also believe that Paul meant it when he said to Sonny that he wishes Will was alive to take the pain away from Sonny and all of the people who loved Will. Paul is a very empathetic person and I hope it shows later in the story. I don't think he will mad at anyone if he ends up losing Sonny to Will but he should be mad at the situation.
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I just don’t think it’s a whim.
You don't get to exhume someone elses kids grave just because your kid wants to get married.
It hasn’t aired yet, so who knows, but that already wouldn’t be the reason. Paul is also already not the only person wanting this done.
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FWIW, I can see John wanting to get answers for Sonny and Paul. Lucas is clearly in no shape to make a decision regarding exhuming Will's body and with Marlena talking to Ben...she'll know that the possibility that Ben is telling the truth means exhumation might be the only way to confirm what Ben is saying. Besides the fact that she's been thru this countless times...but I digress... Perhaps someone left a message for Sami & she didn't respond, but IF she got a message that Will might be alive, I can totally see her jumping on the next plane to Salem to find out what's going on for herself & when she gets back, she finds out what's going on & goes to the grave to find John w/a shovel in his hand.

The question remains - is she glad to see him digging to the point where she wants him to dig faster, or she wants to take over or...?? Not sure - and I can see her being pissed with him for this, but heaven HELP me I need her to not be a raging bitch to him about shit that happened 20+ years ago. They've come a LONG way in their relationship & I don't want to see her regress.

If she wants to be mad at Lucas for falling jumping off the wagon, so be it. At Ben for "killing" Will to begin with (OMG I need a confrontation scene between them like I need to BREATHE), so be it. But I want her to see where John is coming from with his intentions & see past the conference room table. I mean, after her & Elvis on the couch & Will saw it?? She can take a damn seat over that nonsense.

JMO.
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Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 12:29 AM
My guess is that people try to contact Sami but she doesn't get back to them. Lucas is a drunk. When John and Marlena talked the other day, they thought Will being alive was possible because they saw it happen so many times. So if Paul begs John to help him do this, I can understand why he would. He probably wants to know himself.
That's the thing. They need to know. By this time next week, the hope Marlena and Kate and Sonny have that Will is alive is probably even stronger. Lucas is drunk and Sami may have been called and unavailable. There's potentially will's life at stake- if he isn't in that gave, they need to go find him.
Edited by Lovejm, Oct 6 2017, 07:30 AM.
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John would want to exhume Will's grave to see if his grandson is in there. :-/ :shrug:

Just because Jarlena are (technically) divorced doesn't mean that Will isn't John's family.
Well, I mean, if we want to get into semantics, John is only really family by marriage and since he and Marlena aren't technically married, he isn't exactly his grandson. Yes, he did grow up around him to a certain degree, but he has zero biological ties to Will. Honestly, I've never seen him as a "grandfather" type figure towards Will as it is. Maybe it's because the show has always played up Will's closeness with Marlena or the minimal interaction that they''ve had in recent years, but John has just not come off that way to me with him IMO. If he really was to be considered a "grandfather" type towards him, we would have seen that by now. Over the years, the show has made it a point to highlight his interactions with most of his grandparents (Marlena, Kate, Roman, Caroline), so it seems odd that this beat would have been missed if they wanted this to be a thing. If there is evidence to the contrary, I am open to hearing it.
I hate these “real family conversations anyway (and Bricole for making it legit) but Will used to call John “Grandpa John.”
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You don't get to exhume someone elses kids grave just because your kid wants to get married.
I don't think that is Johns intention here...Will is basically his grandson, he loved him dearly...if he is alive John would want to find him and bring him home, regardless if that ends up hurting Paul and Sonny's future as a couple.
I agree, I think Will being alive or not is important to him for many reasons! He loves will, Marlena loves will and whether or not Will is alive, is weighing heavily on the hearts of those he loves, as well as his. And also the fact that Paul wants to marry sonny and the fact that they don't know if will is alive or dead is prohibiting that. So for many reasons, he is motivated. I choose to believe he is doing this more so for Marlena.
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Oct 6 2017, 07:14 AM
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I don't think that is Johns intention here...Will is basically his grandson, he loved him dearly...if he is alive John would want to find him and bring him home, regardless if that ends up hurting Paul and Sonny's future as a couple.
I agree, I think Will being alive or not is important to him for many reasons! He loves will, Marlena loves will and whether or not Will is alive, is weighing heavily on the hearts of those he loves, as well as his. And also the fact that Paul wants to marry sonny and the fact that they don't know if will is alive or dead is prohibiting that. So for many reasons, he is motivated. I choose to believe he is doing this more so for Marlena.
Not to mention John literally just said the other day how much he loved will too. This just isn't black and white.

Here's the other thing. John already thinks it's possible will is alive. Paul doesn't. So digging up the grave, in John's head, likely means finding no body. That's not helping paul so it's not like he's doing this to prove Paul right. It's about neededing to know what's going on for everyone's benefit.
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Oct 5 2017, 11:53 PM
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Oct 5 2017, 02:53 AM
Speaking of Brady, isn't it odd that he's pretending that Theresa never existed? I wasn't a big fan of the character (I liked her in the beginning) but she's Tate's mother. He believes she left him and their son to go back to being a party girl. Shouldn't he try to find out where she is? What is he going to tell Tate when he asked about his mommy? I assume Theresa is still with that guy from the cartel, I don't think she would decide to abandon her son if she had the chance to come back. It's been a year now. Are Shane and Kimberly okay with what she's doing? I know that Jen Lilley thought Theresa's exit was genius but it's so unresolved and makes a lot of characters look bad. I wish the show could fix it, she comes back, they divorce, she moves to Chicago and shares custody of Tate off screen. But I'm not sure Ron cares, I can't remember the last time Theresa was mentioned.
When was the last time we even saw Tate? I don't think he's been on at all since Ron took over writing the show.
Did Chloe bring Parker back with her?
Not yet. That has no effect on Brady, though.
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Hugo


I really don't see a really big moral dilemma, exhuming the body is the right thing to do either to find Will or to give his loved ones the peace of mind they need. It's more of a legal dilemma.
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Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 07:52 AM
I really don't see a really big moral dilemma, exhuming the body is the right thing to do either to find Will or to give his loved ones the peace of mind they need. It's more of a legal dilemma.
I can see Lucas & Sami not being for this, not wanting to distrurb their dead sons resting place. Both Sami & Lucas saw Will's dead body in the morge, so for them that image and moment is really final. They currently are the only two people who have legal rights to dig up the grave (with RC twist that Sonny was legally seperated from Will). If John is digging up the grave at Paul's request, than I can see Sami having a sour taste over it. Yes, Paul is doing this for Sonny, but he is also doing it for himself, he wants to be married & so long as Sonny is chasing leads & ghosts of Will, that won't happen. Paul played a role in the end of Will & Sonny's marriage (while perhaps not intended) and that may also have Sami bitter.
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Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 07:52 AM
I really don't see a really big moral dilemma, exhuming the body is the right thing to do either to find Will or to give his loved ones the peace of mind they need. It's more of a legal dilemma.
It also isn't out of character. John's literally done it before lol
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Oct 6 2017, 08:01 AM
Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 07:52 AM
I really don't see a really big moral dilemma, exhuming the body is the right thing to do either to find Will or to give his loved ones the peace of mind they need. It's more of a legal dilemma.
I can see Lucas & Sami not being for this, not wanting to distrurb their dead sons resting place. Both Sami & Lucas saw Will's dead body in the morge, so for them that image and moment is really final. They currently are the only two people who have legal rights to dig up the grave (with RC twist that Sonny was legally seperated from Will). If John is digging up the grave at Paul's request, than I can see Sami having a sour taste over it. Yes, Paul is doing this for Sonny, but he is also doing it for himself, he wants to be married & so long as Sonny is chasing leads & ghosts of Will, that won't happen. Paul played a role in the end of Will & Sonny's marriage (while perhaps not intended) and that may also have Sami bitter.
I also think Marlena plays heavily for John here. She was crying in his arms that will may be alive. He won't want her in pain like that for very long.
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Plus Kate visits Clyde and tells John, Marlena and Roman want Clyde said. Maybe John has more reason to see if Will is in the grave from what Clyde says.?
**Sorry WHAT Clyde said.
Edited by ptruckin, Oct 6 2017, 08:48 AM.
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Oct 6 2017, 08:47 AM
Plus Kate visits Clyde and tells John, Marlena and Roman want Clyde said. Maybe John has more reason to see if Will is in the grave from what Clyde says.?
**Sorry WHAT Clyde said.
Yea that's a really good point.
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Lovejm
Oct 6 2017, 08:04 AM
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Oct 6 2017, 08:01 AM
Hugo
Oct 6 2017, 07:52 AM
I really don't see a really big moral dilemma, exhuming the body is the right thing to do either to find Will or to give his loved ones the peace of mind they need. It's more of a legal dilemma.
I can see Lucas & Sami not being for this, not wanting to distrurb their dead sons resting place. Both Sami & Lucas saw Will's dead body in the morge, so for them that image and moment is really final. They currently are the only two people who have legal rights to dig up the grave (with RC twist that Sonny was legally seperated from Will). If John is digging up the grave at Paul's request, than I can see Sami having a sour taste over it. Yes, Paul is doing this for Sonny, but he is also doing it for himself, he wants to be married & so long as Sonny is chasing leads & ghosts of Will, that won't happen. Paul played a role in the end of Will & Sonny's marriage (while perhaps not intended) and that may also have Sami bitter.
I also think Marlena plays heavily for John here. She was crying in his arms that will may be alive. He won't want her in pain like that for very long.
I wouldn't blame John for digging up the grave & I can see what motivates him, there is actually more than one motivation in play, his wife, his son & his own love for Will. But I can see a valid reason as to why Sami may be really bothered by it.
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