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Friday, September 29, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Sep 28 2017, 07:10 PM (13,155 Views)
lysie


You know what's funny? Claire is related to three people in the wedding and used to be related to the 4th.
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KBrady
Sep 29 2017, 05:28 PM
I didn't say anything about making it about Steve. I just don't agree with those who praise the new writers for always recognizing family now.
I don't think anyone said it was perfect. It's just really good to have some, and on some occasions a lot, compared to before when we had basically nothing. Except for the forced/not real familial connections.
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Sep 29 2017, 06:27 PM
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And... he's there... a familial connection was acknowledged.


Oh, was that why he was there? I wouldn't have known it
But, unless you're new to the show, you knew that watching it. Do we really need everything spelled out for us? Because I don't. Sometimes exposition is needed, mostly it is not and often it is overused.
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The only thing I really thought was missing that was important family-wise was something more for Sonny/Bondrienne. Hopefully at some point Sonny thinks back on that as being weird that his mom wasn't fussing over him. They did interact, but I think they were the only parent/child combo that didn't take a moment this week.
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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 06:55 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 06:35 PM
lysie
Sep 29 2017, 05:29 PM

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Thank You!

The point is it will never be perfect. We have to deal with what we have, and acknowledge if the show is going in a better direction so they know to keep it up. I wanted John to speak today, not Brady, but I didn't get my wish. I'm sure all the wedding guest wish that it would have been anyone except Brady by the time his strange and pessimistic speech ended. However if you look at the big picture it's starting to turn around. Days is better and more grounded now than it was at any time during Higley's tenure, and TPTB need to know we see that.

For those thinking it should have been "instant change".......it shouldn't work that way. It never turns out well if they change the show over night and it's suddenly "so much better". Why? Because even when the old writer sucks, continuity matters. Douglas Marland and Bill Bell were not writers who instantly changed everything. Sheri Anderson doesn't do that either! JER was methodical his first run, but tried instant change on his second run, and we all know JER 1.0 was much, much better than 2.0!

For the last several years, it's been parents and siblings that are forgotten. Established ones with established relationships. I understand the frustration, and I'd like them to get everything in, but I think having the whole cast there (minus literally just a few) was a great step in the right direction.
ICAM!

It's been such a mess for so long! I think the family ties were forgotten after Hogan Sheffer left. MarDar did do family connections but the story wasn't tight enough (If you believe them, it's not their fault). HS wasn't my favorite head writer but he tried.

I like what I see. They are trying to make the show better while honoring history.

Look at Doug and Julie today! I've been wishing they owned a bar or restaurant in Salem for decades. The way he sang to her today was a perfect "Days" moment. Bonnie talking smack about Maggie was a moment I could actually laugh at. They are putting people in scenes together and characters that have been in their own little pods are being shuffled through the canvas.

It's better than it's been. If we are waiting for Days to be as good as it was in the 70's, 80's or 90's then we are going to be let down. It's been so bad that a few solid episodes and a great Friday cliffhanger have me satisfied!
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Sep 29 2017, 08:56 PM
lysie
Sep 29 2017, 06:55 PM
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For the last several years, it's been parents and siblings that are forgotten. Established ones with established relationships. I understand the frustration, and I'd like them to get everything in, but I think having the whole cast there (minus literally just a few) was a great step in the right direction.
ICAM!

It's been such a mess for so long! I think the family ties were forgotten after Hogan Sheffer left. MarDar did do family connections but the story wasn't tight enough (If you believe them, it's not their fault). HS wasn't my favorite head writer but he tried.

I like what I see. They are trying to make the show better while honoring history.

Look at Doug and Julie today! I've been wishing they owned a bar or restaurant in Salem for decades. The way he sang to her today was a perfect "Days" moment. Bonnie talking smack about Maggie was a moment I could actually laugh at. They are putting people in scenes together and characters that have been in their own little pods are being shuffled through the canvas.

It's better than it's been. If we are waiting for Days to be as good as it was in the 70's, 80's or 90's then we are going to be let down. It's been so bad that a few solid episodes and a great Friday cliffhanger have me satisfied!
I definitely get the frustrations, though. I don't even disagree with them. But when thinking back to KM having to beg for JJ to be included in the first wedding, no Bradys showing up for Theresa's, Marlena playing mother of the bride to Kayla, and no one noticing the missing bridesmaids at Hope's, I like the turn this wedding took. And considering I don't like either couple, I feel like that's saying something. I guess the last event we had like that was the actual 50th, and I thought this was better. Despite the much better cast at the 50th (something I wish they'd fix).
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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 09:05 PM
Daysfanatic79
Sep 29 2017, 08:56 PM
lysie
Sep 29 2017, 06:55 PM

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ICAM!

It's been such a mess for so long! I think the family ties were forgotten after Hogan Sheffer left. MarDar did do family connections but the story wasn't tight enough (If you believe them, it's not their fault). HS wasn't my favorite head writer but he tried.

I like what I see. They are trying to make the show better while honoring history.

Look at Doug and Julie today! I've been wishing they owned a bar or restaurant in Salem for decades. The way he sang to her today was a perfect "Days" moment. Bonnie talking smack about Maggie was a moment I could actually laugh at. They are putting people in scenes together and characters that have been in their own little pods are being shuffled through the canvas.

It's better than it's been. If we are waiting for Days to be as good as it was in the 70's, 80's or 90's then we are going to be let down. It's been so bad that a few solid episodes and a great Friday cliffhanger have me satisfied!
I definitely get the frustrations, though. I don't even disagree with them. But when thinking back to KM having to beg for JJ to be included in the first wedding, no Bradys showing up for Theresa's, Marlena playing mother of the bride to Kayla, and no one noticing the missing bridesmaids at Hope's, I like the turn this wedding took. And considering I don't like either couple, I feel like that's saying something. I guess the last event we had like that was the actual 50th, and I thought this was better. Despite the much better cast at the 50th (something I wish they'd fix).
Yeah....where are Carrie, Belle, Stephanie, and I could keep going.....but there is a missing generation of possibilities. I think we are going to get some epic characters "passing through", while a few stay longer. I get frustrations because of the wealth of history we have here, and the fact it's been ignored.

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Sep 29 2017, 11:05 AM
Mar tells Paul she'd offer to marry them but...; Paul understands it wouldn't feel right; Paul goes to get dressed; everyone starts sitting
Well, thanks Marlena for realizing that it would be in poor taste to marry Sonny and Paul. She actually put Will first...I'm legitimately shocked. Nicely done on her part.
Edited by truluvpassions07, Sep 30 2017, 12:04 AM.
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Doug & Julie was cute today!
Bonnie looked ridiculous. :shame:
Maggie gave a beautiful speech
CHABBY & PAULSON looked great.
Rafe sitting with Nicole
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God, where to begin....

Ok. Yes it was better than anything Dena ever did.

Yes, it was nice to have a big wedding with lots of family.

It was beautifully shot and everyone looked great (well, except Bonnie)

But seriously...how good was it when Doug and Julie can steal the show from a major event? The whole problem is that neither of these couples has a moment like that: A moment that really resonates with viewers the way that Doug singing that song to Julie did. The only touching moment these couples had was when Paul cried during the Paulson vows.

Brady, Maggie, Andre and Bonnie were ridiculous. Justin...just compare his speech today to the one at the WilSon wedding. Not to mention Caroline's speech which still makes me literally weep every time I watch it.

Not to mention all the retcon that occurred (Justin remembered sitting in THAT chair getting his shave on is wedding day...not getting married in Greece? It was not Sonny who gave Paul the courage to come out, it was Will during the interview piece. In fact, the reason Paulson broke up was because Paul was closeted).

Like most of Ron's stuff its was mediocre at best & only seems more than that in comparison to his predecessor. So that's really not saying much. It will be quickly forgotten. Not remembered and rewatched over and over like WilSon, or Bo & Hope or Doug and Julie (I was in the 2nd grade when Doug & Julie married & Doug read Robert Browning in his vows & I remember it to this day).

I watched Judi Evans on YouTube last night from Another World when Jake & Paulina married...Now THAT was a wedding!

And let's face it...we're all just waiting for the moment Ben walks in....the rest of this is just tedious. At best this is on a par with Nick & Gabi's wedding and that's still being generous.



Edited by HoritaFan, Sep 30 2017, 02:08 AM.
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Hugo


Great episode!

The highlight was Paul's vows, very well written and delivered. I loved Sonny's vows as well. I was expecting to hear Chad and Abigail's but I suppose it makes sense to keep those for later.

The rest was very good, special mention to Doug and Julie, the moment at Doug's Place was really sweet and them interrupting the wedding made me laugh.

Other than that, I love the reaction shots during all the speeches, it was well done and edited. Kudos! I agree it was better than Hope and Aiden's wedding for the 50th.
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It was not Sonny who gave Paul the courage to come out, it was Will during the interview piece.

The way I see it, there are different steps of coming out. Sonny was his first meaningful relationship, that was one of the steps. It helped Paul accept himself and his sexuality long before he did that interview. Of course, Will played a role in his ultimate public coming out but Sonny did too. Seeing Sonny again and realizing what he had lost was a big motivation. If he hadn't seen Sonny again and only met Will, I don't believe he would have come out.
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truluvpassions07
Sep 29 2017, 11:26 PM
lbchatterbox
Sep 29 2017, 11:05 AM
Mar tells Paul she'd offer to marry them but...; Paul understands it wouldn't feel right; Paul goes to get dressed; everyone starts sitting
Well, thanks Marlena for realizing that it would be in poor taste to marry Sonny and Paul. She actually put Will first...I'm legitimately shocked. Nicely done on her part.
Because she's been awful to Will otherwise?
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Sep 30 2017, 06:40 AM
truluvpassions07
Sep 29 2017, 11:26 PM
lbchatterbox
Sep 29 2017, 11:05 AM
Mar tells Paul she'd offer to marry them but...; Paul understands it wouldn't feel right; Paul goes to get dressed; everyone starts sitting
Well, thanks Marlena for realizing that it would be in poor taste to marry Sonny and Paul. She actually put Will first...I'm legitimately shocked. Nicely done on her part.
Because she's been awful to Will otherwise?
I think Marlena legit believes Will would want Sonny to be happy, even if that means being with Paul, and that by supporting that relationship, she's doing right by Will. I think her problem with officiating is that it would be too emotional for her and a little awkward, I doubt the problem is that she feels it would be disloyal to Will.
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Sep 30 2017, 07:00 AM
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Sep 29 2017, 11:26 PM

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Because she's been awful to Will otherwise?
I think Marlena legit believes Will would want Sonny to be happy, even if that means being with Paul, and that by supporting that relationship, she's doing right by Will. I think her problem with officiating is that it would be too emotional for her and a little awkward, I doubt the problem is that she feels it would be disloyal to Will.
Oh yes I totally agree with that you said. She was clearly happy for paul and Sonny yesterday, even if it was a painful reminder. When Paul left J&M in the vestibule yesterday after they mentioned her officiating, she had a subtle moment and John sort of mouthed 'I know'. That's a nice quiet liltte moment to remind us of Will.

I was replying to the OP stating they were shocked she put Will first with the implication she hasn't cared about Will in all this.
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Sep 30 2017, 07:14 AM
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I think Marlena legit believes Will would want Sonny to be happy, even if that means being with Paul, and that by supporting that relationship, she's doing right by Will. I think her problem with officiating is that it would be too emotional for her and a little awkward, I doubt the problem is that she feels it would be disloyal to Will.
Oh yes I totally agree with that you said. She was clearly happy for paul and Sonny yesterday, even if it was a painful reminder. When Paul left J&M in the vestibule yesterday after they mentioned her officiating, she had a subtle moment and John sort of mouthed 'I know'. That's a nice quiet liltte moment to remind us of Will.

I was replying to the OP stating they were shocked she put Will first with the implication she hasn't cared about Will in all this.
I see. I think when Sonny said during his vows that he found love before and lost it, there was a shot of Marlena closing her eyes, it was a nice touch as well.
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Sep 30 2017, 07:20 AM
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Oh yes I totally agree with that you said. She was clearly happy for paul and Sonny yesterday, even if it was a painful reminder. When Paul left J&M in the vestibule yesterday after they mentioned her officiating, she had a subtle moment and John sort of mouthed 'I know'. That's a nice quiet liltte moment to remind us of Will.

I was replying to the OP stating they were shocked she put Will first with the implication she hasn't cared about Will in all this.
I see. I think when Sonny said during his vows that he found love before and lost it, there was a shot of Marlena closing her eyes, it was a nice touch as well.
Yea I noticed that too. She sort of sighed and leaned into John. He subtly reacted to it too. Everything doesn't have to hit us over the head I guess lol
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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 09:05 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 08:56 PM
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Sep 29 2017, 06:55 PM

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ICAM!

It's been such a mess for so long! I think the family ties were forgotten after Hogan Sheffer left. MarDar did do family connections but the story wasn't tight enough (If you believe them, it's not their fault). HS wasn't my favorite head writer but he tried.

I like what I see. They are trying to make the show better while honoring history.

Look at Doug and Julie today! I've been wishing they owned a bar or restaurant in Salem for decades. The way he sang to her today was a perfect "Days" moment. Bonnie talking smack about Maggie was a moment I could actually laugh at. They are putting people in scenes together and characters that have been in their own little pods are being shuffled through the canvas.

It's better than it's been. If we are waiting for Days to be as good as it was in the 70's, 80's or 90's then we are going to be let down. It's been so bad that a few solid episodes and a great Friday cliffhanger have me satisfied!
I definitely get the frustrations, though. I don't even disagree with them. But when thinking back to KM having to beg for JJ to be included in the first wedding, no Bradys showing up for Theresa's, Marlena playing mother of the bride to Kayla, and no one noticing the missing bridesmaids at Hope's, I like the turn this wedding took. And considering I don't like either couple, I feel like that's saying something. I guess the last event we had like that was the actual 50th, and I thought this was better. Despite the much better cast at the 50th (something I wish they'd fix).
I thought it was better than the 50th, too, but was afraid of being accused of blasphemy for saying it!

(I'm saying that with a smile not accusingly.)




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lysie
Sep 29 2017, 07:38 PM
You know what's funny? Claire is related to three people in the wedding and used to be related to the 4th.
Nerd that I am, and a slacking viewer, it took me a bit to figure this out but I wanted to.



  • Bo and Justin were cousins so she's a distant cousin of Sonny's.

    She is Paul's niece.

    Hope and Jennifer are cousins so she's a distant cousin of Abigail's.

    And for brief moment the show had John's family line as DiMera so she would have been Chad's niece?

Edited by lifewithrox, Sep 30 2017, 11:02 AM.
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I found Billy incredibly annoying in this episode. Does the spotlight always have to be in him?? Stfu!
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