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Monday, October 2, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 1 2017, 02:21 PM (20,663 Views)
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truluvpassions07
Oct 3 2017, 03:02 AM
tmjohn72
Oct 2 2017, 10:16 PM
I really loved this episode. It felt so soapy and full of drama that it kept my interest.

I would have liked to see Marlena and Kate come together as Will's grandmothers and lean on each other for support. Hopefully that will still happen once the search begins.

The way Paul seemed to want Sonny to forget about Ben's words and resume the wedding felt very strange to me. I almost suspected Paul of having something to do with Will's death for a hot minute. I don't know if that was intentional or not but it raised a possible avenue for the story to develop further.

MM is better when she's acting angry and I just want her to be like this all the time.

I liked that Maggie urged Bonnie to go check on Sonny. I'm kind of tired of Maggie and I don't know what she brings to the scenes other than serving as someone that humanizes Victor, but I'm liking that she's on Bonnie's case and taking her to task.

I hope the rest of the week has episodes this good or better!
Actually, it's funny that you mention that about Paul. There seems to be a floating around of the notion on multiple boards & groups that he has actually known that Will has been alive and has kept the truth from Sonny just to hang on to him. The more and more I see it, the slightly less far-fetched it could be. If they took that story that way, it would be amazingly soapy and would FINALLY help to remove that sickeningly annoying halo people seem to think Paul has.

Are you feeling threatened yet Paul? Good, because you should. :blulaugh: :blulaugh:
I have always thought Paul knew exactly where Sonny was and who he was involved with. As smart aS he is when it comes to his work with John abd Steve And how he researches everything when on a case, I never understood why he never researched his old love Sonny Kiriakas. Why would he choose ltitle Salem University Hospital for a major shoulder surgery that would make or break his professional baseball careER WITHOUT DOING RESEARCH? They included his mother stating she researched Dr Jonas and the STAFF bUT Paul always insisted he Had no idea where Sonny was.

I never believed that part of the story.
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I just watched a bit of Monday's show, but what I did watch was pretty good. RSW is really amazing as a psycho. He wasn't terribly entertaining as good Ben, but he seems like a really good actor so I wish there was a way to keep him as a different character because he seems to have stepped up his game. I even thought FS did a good job opposite him and to be honest I even though MM was good and I tend to think she is a poor recast.
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The person I've been least impressed with during these group scenes is Judi Evans. She doesn't play a big part, this is true, but I find her performance inconsistent.
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nikemi


Yesterday episode was decent, but I'm still not invested in the situation. I personally think Will and Paul would make for a better couple. FS did fine yesterday, but why not put the two stronger actors together. I'm interested in how Will being alive effect everyone except Sonny.
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seanny
Oct 3 2017, 12:51 AM
Anybody else get inappropriately aroused during the Sonny/Ben end scene? :wub:

The show needs to find a way to keep RSW on canvas. He's just so damn sexy to look at. Maybe Ben could have a weird but not dangerous twin named Ken. I'd give up majority of the men on this show just to keep RSW. The equally gorgeous GV stays though!

Is it wrong that I see more chemistry between Chad and Ben than Chad/Abby?
Ha! Ben and Ken! I could see Ken falling in love with a girl and then Bad Ben tricking her into thinking he was Ken for one night of passion and then the girl actually falling for Ben as well and being torn or something between the two. drama!
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lysie


Aside from the magazine cover, I think Ben answered the "why now" question. He was able to escape because of all the upheaval at Bayview.
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nikemi


I still care about the established characters and a few of the newer characters, but what I'm waiting on now is to care about the situations in their lives.
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Hugo


It was very good and soapy. I'm excited to see where this is going. I have been rooting so hard for Paul and Sonny that it won't be easy for me to get on board with Will and Sonny again, if that's where the story is going. But the flashbacks were sweet.

I want to say that I hate your idea the idea that you have been floating around that Paul knew that Will was alive and hid it from everyone. If Paul ends up as the interloper in Will and Sonny's love story, there is no need to throw him under the bus like that. Just like I don't need to see Will be a cheap imitation of Sami (when she was a bad girl) if he ends up being the interloper in Paul and Sonny's love story. I think it's just bad writing and lowers the stakes when soaps change a character into a villain to make a couple more rootable.
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Lifetime943


I liked the episode, it was very soapy...
I do think the return of Ben just highlights everything wrong with the show.
It's interesting how as a good charcter Ben seemed so dull, but once turned evil he injected life into the show. But for me what he did yesterday was highlight just how dull and boring the current cast or dynamics of the show truly are. Last time Ben was around there was so much more energy on the show and way more energetic actors in addition. I may not have loved the storylines back then, but the charcters weren't nearly as dull as the are now.

This show seriously needs some casting shakeups and not just short lived returns.
I will be very disappointed if TC's charcter is wasted on Chad, Abby, Gabi or Sonny storylines.
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Luce
Oct 3 2017, 03:57 AM
truluvpassions07
Oct 3 2017, 03:02 AM
tmjohn72
Oct 2 2017, 10:16 PM
I really loved this episode. It felt so soapy and full of drama that it kept my interest.

I would have liked to see Marlena and Kate come together as Will's grandmothers and lean on each other for support. Hopefully that will still happen once the search begins.

The way Paul seemed to want Sonny to forget about Ben's words and resume the wedding felt very strange to me. I almost suspected Paul of having something to do with Will's death for a hot minute. I don't know if that was intentional or not but it raised a possible avenue for the story to develop further.

MM is better when she's acting angry and I just want her to be like this all the time.

I liked that Maggie urged Bonnie to go check on Sonny. I'm kind of tired of Maggie and I don't know what she brings to the scenes other than serving as someone that humanizes Victor, but I'm liking that she's on Bonnie's case and taking her to task.

I hope the rest of the week has episodes this good or better!
Actually, it's funny that you mention that about Paul. There seems to be a floating around of the notion on multiple boards & groups that he has actually known that Will has been alive and has kept the truth from Sonny just to hang on to him. The more and more I see it, the slightly less far-fetched it could be. If they took that story that way, it would be amazingly soapy and would FINALLY help to remove that sickeningly annoying halo people seem to think Paul has.

Are you feeling threatened yet Paul? Good, because you should. :blulaugh: :blulaugh:
Are any of these boards & groups WilSon-focused by any chance, lol?
No actually, totally unbiased groups as a matter of fact. Even pro-WilSon fans are capable of seeing multiple angles and interpretations of things.
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Hugo
Oct 3 2017, 10:03 AM
I want to say that I hate your idea the idea that you have been floating around that Paul knew that Will was alive and hid it from everyone. If Paul ends up as the interloper in Will and Sonny's love story, there is no need to throw him under the bus like that. Just like I don't need to see Will be a cheap imitation of Sami (when she was a bad girl) if he ends up being the interloper in Paul and Sonny's love story. I think it's just bad writing and lowers the stakes when soaps change a character into a villain to make a couple more rootable.
I don't know. Good people make bad decisions all the time so it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to become a villain by making a poor choice. I would admire Paul more for wanting to fight for his love for Sonny and coming back to try and win the guy back. It wouldn't make Paul look like a saint, but I don't think he'd look like a villain either.
Unless he does know Will is still alive and hasn't said anything. That would be the tipping point, I think.
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zen zen life
Oct 3 2017, 05:17 AM
seanny
Oct 3 2017, 12:51 AM
Anybody else get inappropriately aroused during the Sonny/Ben end scene? :wub:

The show needs to find a way to keep RSW on canvas. He's just so damn sexy to look at. Maybe Ben could have a weird but not dangerous twin named Ken. I'd give up majority of the men on this show just to keep RSW. The equally gorgeous GV stays though!

Is it wrong that I see more chemistry between Chad and Ben than Chad/Abby?
No, it's not wrong! :smile: ....I also want too see chemistry with Chad & Sonny!
That's always been there regardless of the actor playing Chad.
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Hugo
Oct 3 2017, 10:03 AM
It was very good and soapy. I'm excited to see where this is going. I have been rooting so hard for Paul and Sonny that it won't be easy for me to get on board with Will and Sonny again, if that's where the story is going. But the flashbacks were sweet.

I want to say that I hate your idea the idea that you have been floating around that Paul knew that Will was alive and hid it from everyone. If Paul ends up as the interloper in Will and Sonny's love story, there is no need to throw him under the bus like that. Just like I don't need to see Will be a cheap imitation of Sami (when she was a bad girl) if he ends up being the interloper in Paul and Sonny's love story. I think it's just bad writing and lowers the stakes when soaps change a character into a villain to make a couple more rootable.
There were a few of us that mentioned it, but I only brought it up because someone mentioned it earlier and because it's a theory that is starting to circulate. Personally, I think it would be wonderfully soapy if they went that way, but I get your point about not throwing Paul's character under the bus like that. I remember what they did to Aiden just to prop a Bo/Hope reunion and it still makes me irritated, even now. When all is said and done, I would rather Will and Sonny reunite on their own merit based on the love that they share vs. decimating a character to achieve the end goal.
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tmjohn72
Oct 3 2017, 12:54 PM
Hugo
Oct 3 2017, 10:03 AM
I want to say that I hate your idea the idea that you have been floating around that Paul knew that Will was alive and hid it from everyone. If Paul ends up as the interloper in Will and Sonny's love story, there is no need to throw him under the bus like that. Just like I don't need to see Will be a cheap imitation of Sami (when she was a bad girl) if he ends up being the interloper in Paul and Sonny's love story. I think it's just bad writing and lowers the stakes when soaps change a character into a villain to make a couple more rootable.
I don't know. Good people make bad decisions all the time so it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to become a villain by making a poor choice. I would admire Paul more for wanting to fight for his love for Sonny and coming back to try and win the guy back. It wouldn't make Paul look like a saint, but I don't think he'd look like a villain either.
Unless he does know Will is still alive and hasn't said anything. That would be the tipping point, I think.
If Sonny gets any idea of Paul being involved in Will's fake murder, Sonny would be done with him forever. Paul's not that stupid nor desperate.
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truluvpassions07
Oct 3 2017, 12:54 PM
Luce
Oct 3 2017, 03:57 AM
truluvpassions07
Oct 3 2017, 03:02 AM

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Are any of these boards & groups WilSon-focused by any chance, lol?
No actually, totally unbiased groups as a matter of fact. Even pro-WilSon fans are capable of seeing multiple angles and interpretations of things.
I'm aware of this. Your experience just hasn't been my experience. Figured maybe it was because I don't visit WilSon-centric places anymore.
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funone
Oct 3 2017, 12:55 AM
seanny
Oct 3 2017, 12:51 AM
Anybody else get inappropriately aroused during the Sonny/Ben end scene? :wub:

The show needs to find a way to keep RSW on canvas. He's just so damn sexy to look at. Maybe Ben could have a weird but not dangerous twin named Ken. I'd give up majority of the men on this show just to keep RSW. The equally gorgeous GV stays though!

Is it wrong that I see more chemistry between Chad and Ben than Chad/Abby?
Making Ben dangerous is what made me love him. I don't want him neutered.
Neither do I. That's why I suggested a weird twin over a "good" one. This guy could stick around and thus make it easier for Ben to make returns to terrorize Chabby, his twin and etc.
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This was a great episode! The only thing I didn't like was hearing the long vows again, and Abby's segment when Ben arrived went on a bit too long. Rob was great! I thought Freddie did a good job too.
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seanny
Oct 3 2017, 01:04 PM
tmjohn72
Oct 3 2017, 12:54 PM
Hugo
Oct 3 2017, 10:03 AM
I want to say that I hate your idea the idea that you have been floating around that Paul knew that Will was alive and hid it from everyone. If Paul ends up as the interloper in Will and Sonny's love story, there is no need to throw him under the bus like that. Just like I don't need to see Will be a cheap imitation of Sami (when she was a bad girl) if he ends up being the interloper in Paul and Sonny's love story. I think it's just bad writing and lowers the stakes when soaps change a character into a villain to make a couple more rootable.
I don't know. Good people make bad decisions all the time so it doesn't necessarily mean that they have to become a villain by making a poor choice. I would admire Paul more for wanting to fight for his love for Sonny and coming back to try and win the guy back. It wouldn't make Paul look like a saint, but I don't think he'd look like a villain either.
Unless he does know Will is still alive and hasn't said anything. That would be the tipping point, I think.
If Sonny gets any idea of Paul being involved in Will's fake murder, Sonny would be done with him forever. Paul's not that stupid nor desperate.
I am hardly a fan of Paul's, but even I don't think he would be stupid enough to hide the fact that he's known Will was alive this whole time. Would this be incredibly soapy and fascinating? Absolutely...but I don't think it'll play out that way.
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truluvpassions07
Oct 3 2017, 01:01 PM
Hugo
Oct 3 2017, 10:03 AM
It was very good and soapy. I'm excited to see where this is going. I have been rooting so hard for Paul and Sonny that it won't be easy for me to get on board with Will and Sonny again, if that's where the story is going. But the flashbacks were sweet.

I want to say that I hate your idea the idea that you have been floating around that Paul knew that Will was alive and hid it from everyone. If Paul ends up as the interloper in Will and Sonny's love story, there is no need to throw him under the bus like that. Just like I don't need to see Will be a cheap imitation of Sami (when she was a bad girl) if he ends up being the interloper in Paul and Sonny's love story. I think it's just bad writing and lowers the stakes when soaps change a character into a villain to make a couple more rootable.
There were a few of us that mentioned it, but I only brought it up because someone mentioned it earlier and because it's a theory that is starting to circulate. Personally, I think it would be wonderfully soapy if they went that way, but I get your point about not throwing Paul's character under the bus like that. I remember what they did to Aiden just to prop a Bo/Hope reunion and it still makes me irritated, even now. When all is said and done, I would rather Will and Sonny reunite on their own merit based on the love that they share vs. decimating a character to achieve the end goal.
I think that type of writing really hurts the show, when the writers don't stay true to the way they presented the characters and the audience feels duped. It's one thing to make a character evolve, like Ben who was a good guy but then slowly lost his mind. It's another thing to reveal what that we saw from the start was a lie, that the character was pretending to be good the whole time, I feel like that's what they did with Aiden. I know a lot of people were on board with it but I wasn't.

I don't think they would do something like that with Paul but it would be worse than Aiden in my eyes because they really took a lot of time to show the audience that he had a good heart and cared about doing the right thing. They had the opportunity to write Paul as a bad guy when he joined the show, he could have been the one scheming and manipulating to get Sonny, I think Christopher Sean would have been good at it and would have made him still likable. But they went another direction and it's too late now.

I didn't like what happened to Will either, we saw the evolution a little when he started his career but the change before and after he went to LA was brutal. He almost came back a different person, except it was not a doppleganger story (unless there's a twist coming). It didn't feel like an evolution, it felt like the Will I knew before was a lie.
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Shut up Sonny let him speak.
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