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| Monday, October 2, 2017 Episode Discussion | |
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| gailwinters | Oct 2 2017, 02:25 PM Post #121 |
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I forgot to mention, but I agree about Abby. I could not understand a thing she said when she was "in her head". |
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| nikemi | Oct 2 2017, 02:35 PM Post #122 |
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I've been reading some of the recaps about the show today, and I found that I really don't care about Abby in any of this. |
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| Will'sgirl2017 | Oct 2 2017, 02:40 PM Post #123 |
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What a crazy show today. Loved Ben, he is so great. Abby punching Ben, than him telling her he wasn't even there for her :blulaugh: Robert (Ben) is so good at being evil. I don't really like Sonny but I felt for him today. The flashbacks, cute how young Will/Sonny were when they met. For some reason the way Sonny ran out made me laugh. Can't wait for tomorrow. |
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| JarlenaLante | Oct 2 2017, 02:43 PM Post #124 |
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Oh, this was so good. The scene where Abby's vows were juxtaposed over the Wilson flashbacks was the best stuff I've seen on this show in ages. They need to use Ben like they used Stefano back in the day, coming back on canvas every once in a while to stir up trouble. RSW plays the crazy so well. While I wish Lucas could have gone off on Ben in a raging drunk way, putting the fear of God in him, I kind of see how they might have wanted to give him and Sami separate reactions that were more about them. I'm kind of torn about that. Again, I can't say enough about the Abby vow/Wilson flashback scene. It's the kind of epic soapy brilliance Ron can deliver. |
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| ElizBBrowning | Oct 2 2017, 02:46 PM Post #125 |
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I want to know when Adrienne will be part of the show again, Bonnie is OK for laughs, but enough is enough. |
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| rfsexton | Oct 2 2017, 02:48 PM Post #126 |
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Queen of Texas
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Do we know Will's first air date |
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| Nanalora | Oct 2 2017, 02:51 PM Post #127 |
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Wow what a soapy ride today's show was. Poor Sonny, Poor Paul. The Wilson flashbacks brought back memories of when I loved them together before Will became unrecognizable. I thought everyone did a great job today. Ben acted a little sane and a little cray great job. |
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| Nanalora | Oct 2 2017, 02:58 PM Post #128 |
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I agree that was the only part of today I had a problem with. |
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| Mitchapalooza | Oct 2 2017, 03:05 PM Post #129 |
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^ My face watching DAYS
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Cannot wait to watch when I get home, but the clips I saw on Twitter......WELCOME MARCI MILLER...you have FINALLY arrived! |
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| peaches179 | Oct 2 2017, 03:20 PM Post #130 |
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Love the dig Ben made to JJ about Abby having another wedding. LOL |
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| am103 | Oct 2 2017, 03:25 PM Post #131 |
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I'm gonna have to watch again later because the episode flew by so fast that I don't have very many comments. But this was all around good soap. I like that almost everyone got at least one line in to Ben. The dialogue was great, specifically Ben saying he was under-dressed and should have worn a tie. And the "tunnel vision" scene with just Abby and Ben leading up to the punch was so well-done... Such a cool way for them to show Abby's thought process amidst the chaos around her. This was one for the books! |
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| PatNS | Oct 2 2017, 03:30 PM Post #132 |
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I just found the Abby / Ben dream sequence where she confronted him on her own weird. I know this was all playing out in her head and it might have something to do with the fact that I couldn't understand half of what Abby was saying. That being said ... Sonny's flashbacks of Will juxtaposed over Abby's vows were done so well. The only jarring note was Sonny's supposedly 'pained' expression. Grief wasn't what came to mind when I saw that expression and I'll just leave it at that. I completely understand that everything Paul was doing and saying was coming from a position of not wanting to see Sonny get hurt but it played out as if he was desperate for Sonny to summarily dismiss what Ben was saying and to just forget what he said and he was desperate because he didn't want Sonny to call off the wedding. Paul's intentions were good but it just seemed manipulative to me ... and I'm not saying he was being manipulative because I don't believe he was ... that's just the way I saw it while watching. But all that being said ... everyone urging Sonny to ignore what Ben was saying was appropriate but in the end it makes sense that Sonny wouldn't be able to forget it and he would want to hear what Ben had so say. Hope took charge at the scene ... shades of things to come? Again Bonnie is not reacting anything like Adrienne would and no red flags are waving? I just don't get it. Looking forward to what Ben has to say to Sonny. |
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| Luce | Oct 2 2017, 03:43 PM Post #133 |
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This is the kind of stuff that is encouraging to me re: the writing. That may not be exactly what I wanted to happen, but it does make a lot of sense. If I were Sonny, that would shake me to my core. Even if Ben hadn't said anything about Will being alive, Sonny just came face-to-face again with the man who murdered his husband. I wouldn't be able to concentrate after that. That's traumatizing. It seems like the previous writers would've ended up going ahead with the wedding and we all probably would've been complaining about how the appropriate people didn't seem to care. |
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| PatNS | Oct 2 2017, 03:50 PM Post #134 |
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Please note: This report is not to be copied and pasted to any other sites. Please link only. Link to summary archive: http://www.network54.com/Forum/358635/ Director: Sonia Blangiardo Scriptwriter: David Kreizman Segment 1 Repeat of Paul and Sonny's vows. Repeat of Abby offering to go before Chad and the beginning of her vows. Repeat of the doors opening and everyone staring and exclaiming. Ben looks around. Abby - OMG Ben. Ben - I feel a little bit underdressed. I should have worn a tie. Abby drops her flowers to the floor. Chad. She looks around. The church is empty. Only Ben is there. What's happening? Where is everybody. Am I going crazy. Is that what this is? I thought I was getting better. I went away and got therapy and I thought I'd gotten past all of this. ? ? She's back. Back to fantasy - Are you a sign that I'm not ready to be Chad's wife. I'm not ready to be Thomas's mother. She says something about losing it, going back to the sanitarium, not wanting to. She picks up her bouquet. It's my wedding day. It's my second chance to have the life that I want to have with Chad and I'm not going to fall apart this time because that would mean that you win and you don't. I win. Back to the moment. Back to the fantasy. Abby walks towards Ben. I'm not afraid of you. You don't have any power over me. You can't hurt me. You can't hurt the people that I love. You understand me! Because I'm not imagining this, you're real and I'm not crazy. So I'm not going to let you destroy my life EVER. Back to the moment. Abby runs down the aisle and slugs Ben in the face knocking him down. Segment 2 Abby yells - What do you want. Chad holds her. Abby - I'm okay. I'm fine. Rafe and JJ are picking up Ben. Abby raves - You're not going to hurt me or anyone I love ever again. What are you doing here Ben. Why the hell are you at my wedding. Jen is holding on to Hope who is making a call. What is he doing here! Hope replies and then rushes away to make the call. Eli goes to Gabi and Ari. Ben is? Gabi - Ben is the man who killed Arianna's father. He's supposed to be locked up. Eli - What is he doing here! Gabi - I don't know. Chad is holding Abby back. Don't even look at him. Walk away. Abby - I want to know how he got here and why. How did you get out of Bayview Ben? Chad - We're not going to let him ruin our day okay, not again. Abby - How'd you get out of there. Ben - It's been pretty crazy there lately with all this confusion over John and Marlena and Andre. People started getting lazy, leaving their keys around ... Chad - Are you trying to say you just grabbed somebody's keys and walked out. Ben - I happened to see an article about your wedding. Seemed like it was going to be the event of the season if you know what I mean. I didn't want to miss the party. Chad reaches for Ben. Rafe pushes Chad back. Ben - What are you going to do Chad? Andre is now holding Chad back. Ben - What are you going to do in front of all these people here ... doctors, lawyers, cops. What are you going to do! Andre - Take it easy. You could end up in jail. Chad - It'd be worth it. Ben - I heard about that. Lots of murderers around these parts huh. Oh Andre, btw, I'm sorry I missed you at Bayview. If I'd known you were going to be there I would have engineered a nice little payback for what you did to my father. Andre - Unlike you I don't live in an asylum. Ben looks over at John and Marlena. Oh hey, I missed you guys too. It must have been a real bummer to be wrongfully committed like that. John - Yeah, you broken up at that, were ya. Ben - Maybe I could have helped not that anybody would believe somebody like me, right. Chad - Yeah a murderer and liar. Ben - Liars tell the truth time to time. Abby - What's that supposed to mean? Ben - It means that I came here today because I have something very important to say. Hope and Lani are in the front of the church. Hope is on her cell. Get here as soon as you can and inform Bayview that we have Ben Weston in custody. Abe joins them. Backup's on it's way. Lani - I'll go wait outside and catch them up to speed. Hope - Thank you Lani. Abe - Let's get this psychopath out of the chapel. He can wait for his ride outside. Hope - Good plan. Sonny - I never thought I'd see him again. Paul - We need to get this lunatic out of here before Chad or somebody else attacks him. Justin - Hope just called for backup. They'll clear Ben out and then we'll get back to the wedding, okay. Steve goes to Hope. Hope, anything I can to do help? Hope - No I think we have everything under control. Rafe - Backup? Hope - They're on their way. JJ and Rafe are going to lead Ben out but he stands his ground. Weddings are supposed to make people happy. Look at everybody in here. Everybody's so mad. Abby - What are you doing here? Why are you wrecking my wedding? Ben - That's what I'm trying to tell you Abby okay. I didn't come here to wreck your wedding. In fact I didn't come here for you two at all. Chad - Then wth do you want! He nods in Sonny and Paul's direction. I came to talk to them. You see I have something quite interesting that I know Sonny you're going to want to hear. Everyone looks at Sonny. Segment 3 Sonny - There's nothing you could say that I'd ever want to hear. Ben - How do you know that? Hope - That's enough. Let's get him outside. Ben - How do you know Sonny. Sonny - Wait, wait. There's something I've got to say to you. Paul - Sonny, don't engage with him. There's nothing he can do to us now. Sonny - This man killed my husband. You took away my daughter's father. You're not going to walk in here and ruin this day, do you hear me! Not after all the damage you've caused. You murdered Paige. You tortured Abigail and you killed my husband. Do you know how much pain and suffering you caused. And we finally found a way to get over it. We finally found a way to move on and that's what this wedding was supposed to be about. Ben - Sonny you need to listen to me. Sonny - I gave you a job. I let you into my business, into my family and you took the most important thing in my life. Ben - Are you done? If you're done I have something to tell you. I want ... Sonny snaps - Just shut up. SHUT UP. Because of you I never got a chance to work out my feelings with Will. I never got to tell him I loved him as much as he loved me. Do you know what that feels like! I never got a chance to say goodbye and I wonder every day what would it have been like if I was here, if I could have stopped you from murdering her. Ben tries to speak. Sonny - Would he still be here. Would we be together. Ben - That's what if's man. It's pointless. Sonny - What about my daughter. What about Will's daughter. He would read to her every night and talk about the adventures we were going to go on as a family. But that's gone now. You destroyed our family the moment you put that tie around Will's neck and you strangled the life out of him. Ben - That's what I want to talk to you about. Sonny - You are a monster and you deserve to rot in prison the rest of your life. I never want to see your face ever again. And there is nothing you could ever say to me that would undo the hurt and pain and loss of me and my daughter. Ben - I wouldn't be so sure about that. Look I came here today to make amends. I know I can't make up for all my sins but maybe I could ... maybe I can fix the biggest one. Sonny - Just get him out of here. Ben - Sonny please. Sonny turns away. Ben - I've got three words for you. Rafe - Come on let's go. Sonny - Yeah, what are they? Ben - WILL IS ALIVE! Shocked expressions. Ben - I swear. Segment 4 Marlena - Why would he say that Will is alive. John - Just mind games Doc, you know that. Marlena - He's trying to torture Sonny. He's trying to torture all of us. Gabi - I can not believe that this is happening. Eli - Could he be telling the truth? Gabi - No, no, no. Will is dead. I know that for a fact. Sonny - WTH are you trying to do! Ben - Tell you the truth man. Will's alive. He's as alive as you and me. Kate snaps - Shut the hell up! Shut up. How dare you come here after what you did to Will. You've hurt him enough. You've hurt Sonny enough. You're sick. Sick! Ben - I'm sorry you feel that way Kate but you of all people should be happy that your grandson's alive. Lani comes in with backup. John - He's lying. Marlena - John, it's over. Ben - Is that him? Hey Doc. There he is. Are you going to drug me? Lani - They want to sedate Ben for transfer back to the hospital. Hope - Fine, we'll do it outside. Ben - I'm not done yet. Hope - Oh we're done. You're not going to Bayview, you're going to the station. Doctor - Shouldn't he go back to the hospital. Hope - He escaped from that facility, I'm not taking any chances. Let's get him out of here. Ben - Sonny look at me. If you don't hear what I have to say they're going to drug me into a drooling zombie and you're going to be left wondering. You're going to be left wondering Sonny what if that crazy S.O.B. was right. What if my beloved Will is alive! Rafe - You shut your mouth. Sonny - No wait. I want to know what he has to say. Paul - Come on Sonny, look at him. Like he said he's a crazy S.O.B. who's just trying to hurt you. Sonny - No I want him to explain why he's saying this. Ben - Thank you Sonny. I appreciate you ... Sonny snaps - You've got 30 seconds to explain why you're saying that Will is alive. Segment 5 Chad and Abby push their way between Ben and Sonny. Chad - Sonny, stop, you're just giving him what he wants. Paul - Chad is right. This is a waste of time. Ben - Hey slugger, why don't you let Sonny decide for himself huh. He obviously wants to hear what I have to say about his husband. Sonny - Talk before I change my mind. Ben - I'm going to tell you everything you want to know about Will just not in front of all these people. Paul - Here we go. Ben - I just need a few minutes alone with Sonny. Justin - Not a chance. Paul - You know what, I'm done with this. This is over. Sonny come on, why would you give another minute of your time to a homicidal maniac. What in God's name is the point. Please can we just ... can you get him out of here so we can continue on with our wedding. Chad - What do you say Sonny? Sonny - Paul's right. This maniac doesn't deserve any more of our time. Get him out of here. Ben - Come on Sonny. Rafe - Great idea. They take Ben out. Hope - Abe, I'm going to follow them, make sure everything's taken care of. Abe - Yeah. Paul hugs Sonny. Andre - You alright? Kate - I don't know. I'm just glad that Lucas wasn't here to hear that. Bonnie - I've got to admit I sure wish we'd heard what Ben had to say. Vic - WTH's the matter with you. Do you have any idea what that lunatic put your son through. Bonnie - Yeah I know. I'm the mother of the groom. I want them to have the perfect wedding but ... Maggie - But what Adrienne! Bonnie - He hyped us up and gave us nothing. Maggie - He's a murderer and a psychopath. Why would you believe anything he says! Bonnie - Well I wouldn't alright. Just sayin'! Maggie sighs - Oh Lord. Brady - I'm going to go check on Paul. Are you going to be alright. Nicole - Yeah, good idea. Brady touches John's shoulder - Dad. John - Yeah. Are you going to be alright. Marlena - You go. I'm going to be fine. Kayla goes to Marlena. Brady hugs Paul. Kayla - How are you doing? Marlena - This day did not go the way that I thought it would. Kayla - Yeah I know, I'm sorry. Marlena - You know I've been thinking about Will all day, remembering the day we all stood around Will and Sonny when they exchanged their marriage vows. Kayla - We all miss Will. Marlena - I know, I do too. John hugs Paul - Hey you going to be okay kid. Paul - Yeah I'm just worried about Sonny. Brady - Don't be. Sonny's resilient. He's going to be fine. John - He's got you to pull him through this, right. Paul - And I will the best I can. Well the good news, I don't think anyone's going to forget our wedding. Sonny - I can't believe I let him talk. Giving an audience to a serial killer, what was I thinking! Chad - That S.O.B. was right about one thing. Will's alive ... in my heart, in your heart, in everyone's heart. He's here today, I promise you that. Sonny - I know, I feel him. Paul joins them. Abby - Well how do you guys feel this whole wedding is going. Paul - Everyone good? Chad - Sonny? Sonny - Yeah I'm okay. Chad - Yeah? What do you say we get this double wedding going again. Abby - I think it's a great idea. Justin - Let's do it. Chad - Alright let's do it. Chad - Excuse me, can I get your attention for a second. Sorry for the unexpected interruption. Never a dull moment in Salem. I think we are ready to continue with the ceremony. Yeah? Sonny - Can you please give us just a minute. Abby - Yeah. Chad - We're going to regroup for a second and then we'll get it going. Everyone claps. In the front of the church ... Lani comes in. The squad car's waiting outside. Hope - Let's get him down to the station. JJ and Rafe start leading Ben out. Ben yells - You're making a big mistake. I'm not lying about Will! I'M NOT LYING! Segment 6 Rafe and JJ have Ben in the interrogation room. Ben - I'm only going to talk to Sonny. Rafe - Well I guess you're not going to talk because Sonny doesn't want to talk to you. Ben - I don't believe that. JJ - Believe what you want. You tried to ruin his wedding day but you failed. Sonny, Paul, Abigail, Chad, they're all going to have great lives together and you're going to spend the rest of yours locked up like an animal. Ben - I understand why you don't trust me JJ. JJ - Don't trust you! Man that doesn't even begin to scratch the surface of how I feel about you you sick bastard. You murdered the woman I loved. Because of you Rafe never got to know his sister. Rafe - JJ ... Ben - No, he's right. I did a lot of bad stuff so I owe a lot of people, that's why I'm here. Hope is in the squad room. Lani I need you to drive out to Bayview and find out how Ben managed to escape. Lani - Got it. Hope - What's going on? Lani - I'm worried about JJ being in there with Ben. Hope - It's going to be tough on Rafe too. Lani - Why do you think Ben showed up at the wedding and what was all that Will stuff about. Hope - I don't know. I'm going to find out. Ben - Shouldn't you be at the church? It seems kind of rude that you just bailed on your own sister's wedding. I guess there's always the next one. JJ lunges across the table - Shut your mouth! Rafe - Hey, hey. You need to take a break. JJ - No! You're lucky I care about my job. Ben - Or what? Huh? What are you going to do JJ? You going to bring me in the back alley. You going to beat me senseless? JJ - You deserve far worse and if there's any justice in this world ... Rafe snaps - Cut it out! Get out of here. He's not worth it. JJ - You know what, my sister, Chad, Sonny, Paul, they're getting married right now and after today we'll pretend you never existed. Ben - You can try. Rafe - Get out of here. JJ slams the door as he leaves. Rafe leaves the room. Justin picks up Abigail's bouquet. Okay why don't we pick up where we left off. Chad - You guys ready? Abby - Yeah, I'm so ready. Chad - I believe you were in the middle of vows. Paul - Are you sure you're alright with this. Sonny - I think so yeah. Yeah. Paul - Look I know it's not easy. Seeing Ben ?, it was a nightmare. And I know it's not going to be easy for you to forget the things that he said but hold on to my hand and look into my eyes. Just like you said in your vows, if you get lost just look up. I'll be your true North Sonny. Just hold on to me and we're going to be okay. Sonny - I can do that. Justin - Okay seems like we're all clear. Abigail the room is yours. Abigail - Thank you. As I was saying earlier life is full of surprises. Some are good, some are not very good but today made me realise we can get through anything together, you and me. And I don't want to face the challenges in my life without you. Moving right along, every love story has got a beginning and I remember the first time I ever set eyes on you. Sonny recalls his first meeting with Will. Abby - You just looked at me, just a look and one smile, our first date, our first kiss. Sonny recalls moments with Will including their first kiss. Abby - It was in that moment right there I knew I found him, that's my soul mate. Sonny is close to tears. Abby - That's the man I'm supposed to live my whole life with. F/B of Sonny and Will's first time. Abby - I didn't think it was possible to love you anymore than I already did, then Thomas was born and I did. Sonny recalls being with Ari and Will. He starts to cry. Abby - We've had our highs, we've certainly had our lows. We were separated for just a little while but you know what, here we are, just you and me. Our love drew us back together, it always has and it always will. Sonny recalls the I love you moment with Will. Paul whispers - Hey Sonny are you alright. Sonny - No, no I'm not. Abby turns - Are you okay? Chad - Sonny? Sonny - I'm so sorry. I can't do this. He runs to the front of the church with Paul following. Paul - Sonny. Sonny. Sonny - I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry Paul. Paul - For what? Sonny - I love you and I wanted to marry you more than anything in this word. Paul - Let's get married. Sonny - I can't. I can't, not now. Paul - Because of Ben's crazy story? Sonny - I can't in good faith marry you not until I find out why Ben said Will's alive. Paul - Sonny don't give him the power. Please, he's insane. He's a murderer. Sonny - I have to hear him out. I have to know for sure. Chad and Abby join them. Chad - Hey what's going on? Abby - Sonny are you alright? Sonny - I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. He leaves. Paul - I'm coming with you. Segment 7 Kate - WTH happened in there? Justin - Where's Sonny and Paul? Chad - They left. Justin - What! Abby - Sonny went down to the station to confront Ben. Kate - OMG. Something has to be done about that bastard ... Justin - Ben will get what he deserves. It's Sonny I'm worried about. Chad - Yeah me too. Justin - He's tough and he's got Paul with him so I'm sure that he'll ... they'll get through this. Okay Chad, Abigail, this is your day too. I will continue with the ceremony if that's what you want. It's up to you, whatever you want to do. Doug - Man oh man I really feel awful for Sonny. I mean after everything he's been through. Julie - We all know how much Sonny loved Will. If I were Sonny I'd want some answers too. Nicole - Brady I am so sorry. Brady - It turned out to be quite a mess huh. Nicole - Maybe Sonny will find closure and he and Paul can still get married. Brady - I hope so. I just have a feeling that this is not going to end well. Maggie - Shouldn't you be checking on your son? Bonnie - Yeah I just wanted to give him some space. Maggie - Space! He had his wedding interrupted by the man who killed his husband. Bonnie - Well I know that. She heads to the front of the church but Justin comes back in. I'm sorry to report Paul and Sonny have left the church. Sounds of disappointment. Theo - Are Chad and Abby still getting married? Justin - I don't know. Chad and Abby go to the altar. Chad - Hi. First we wanted to thank each and every one of you for coming out today and sticking through the unexpected chaos. Abby and I have decided it's best to postpone the wedding just for now and be there to support Sonny and Paul however we can. So thank you again. Sonny and Paul enter the squad room. Hope - Sonny what are you doing here? Sonny - I can't go through with the wedding until I talk to Ben. Rafe - That's not a good idea Sonny. Don't even waste your breathe on him Sonny. Paul - I've already tried to talk him out of it. Sonny - This is something I need to do. I need answers, please! Please. Rafe takes him to the interrogation room. Ben looks up. |
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| truluvpassions07 | Oct 2 2017, 03:52 PM Post #135 |
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I don't know about all that. I feel like that might be reading way too much into that line. :'( I would much prefer to believe the whole doppelganger Will storyline being shipped around so that it will be a lot easier to get them back on track. |
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| Nanalora | Oct 2 2017, 04:00 PM Post #136 |
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I agree although I really wanted Paul and Sonny to get married. It's like Julie said if I were Sonny I would want some answers. I also would not want to remember my wedding day this way even Chad and Abby. Edited by Nanalora, Oct 2 2017, 04:09 PM.
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| lifewithrox | Oct 2 2017, 04:02 PM Post #137 |
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Sadly, we got interrupted for the "moment of silence" and of course the news then took that as an excuse to return to non-stop Vegas coverage. I will have to finish on the app, as well. ETA: The moment of silence did not bother me. It was all the yakking by the news people after. Edited by lifewithrox, Oct 2 2017, 04:09 PM.
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| lifewithrox | Oct 2 2017, 04:07 PM Post #138 |
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Mostly, I like Paul and don't even get upset over him being John's retcon kid. But, I found him manipulative when he first came on. Unpopular opinion, but there it is. I think, perhaps, when you're living a lie for so long like he was (not judging his coping skills here) that you learn to manipulate to get what you want and are in protection mode much of the time. |
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| gailwinters | Oct 2 2017, 04:10 PM Post #139 |
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When Abby asked Ben how he got out of Bayview, I did kind of hope he would say "well, I didn't have to set a fire to escape like you did".
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| DrewHamilton | Oct 2 2017, 04:10 PM Post #140 |
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I’m 20 minutes into this episode and it’s easily already the best episode we’ve gotten since the 50th anniversary episodes. The writing. The production and direction. The performances. Everything is on point. Kudos to all!
Edited by DrewHamilton, Oct 2 2017, 04:10 PM.
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