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Oct 7 2017, 03:21 AM
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Judged him for one mistake? I seem to remember Will made a few mistakes after cheating with Paul.
Yes he did. I wish the writers would remember that. Will blamed Sonny for all that though. Yeah, and Will also called Sonny right before he died and took responsibility for everything that he had done. Lest we not forget the phone message that he left him in Ben's apartment.
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Oct 7 2017, 03:28 AM
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I know everybody is cutting Ron LOTS AND LOTS of slack ("He has to clean up Dena's mess...He started in JULY but his writing doesn't start till Sept...Oct...whenever). Whatever. I'm over it. Except for a hand full of scenes/ideas (Dario blackmailing Abby into marriage; WilSon flashbacks during the vows; the PaulSon cana scene; day 2 of Lucas/Will) this has been crap.
Marlena: "How do you know Will's alive? Ben: "The little voices told me."
Really Ron?
The show is so campy and ridiculous now, Rocky Horror looks like Shakespeare. Ok. Ron looks like Shakespeare compared to Dena, but so what?
Can't wait to LMAO at their "medically plausible" reason for this mess....
And they're still 4th in the ratings? ...lol...Hard to imagine why. Ben didn't say it was the little voices, Marlena asked him who told him Will was alive and when he didn't answer she asked, "was it a voice in your head?" It's a valid question to ask someone with a mental illness.
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Oct 7 2017, 03:49 AM
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I really really liked Marlena today. If I could have this version of Marlena every day, then I would be thrilled. Her strength, empathy, compassion and levelheadedness really stood out to me today. :applause: :applause:
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Oct 7 2017, 04:51 AM
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I wonder if the writers will bring all this up once Will is found and if they decide to play it out. I think now is not the time to enumerate Will's mistakes. The focus is on bringing him home and giving the viewers an emotional reunion. Once Will is alive and back in Salem, the writing might be different.
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Oct 7 2017, 05:02 AM
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- Oct 6 2017, 06:24 PM
HEY GUYS!
What if when Will first sees Sonny, he promptly walks up to him and kisses him while Paul is in the room with them?! How's that for karma?! Karma for what? Unless Paul knew that Will was alive, I don't see what he had done that was so bad. :rolleyes:
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Oct 7 2017, 05:21 AM
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- Oct 6 2017, 06:24 PM
HEY GUYS!
What if when Will first sees Sonny, he promptly walks up to him and kisses him while Paul is in the room with them?! How's that for karma?!
Karma for what? Unless Paul knew that Will was alive, I don't see what he had done that was so bad. :rolleyes: When Paul first saw Sonny at the hospital, he followed him into the waiting room and kissed him. Remember that?
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Oct 7 2017, 05:38 AM
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Marlena said Will thought they'd end up together. Sonny says he wants to tell Will he's the love of his life
Can't we have a nice storyline with some sublety? I get that it's a soap and one of the focuses should always be romance. But the thing about this storyline that I think is a strong point is how honestly and organically messy and confusing it all is. You don't need to manufactur the drama here. By nature of Will being alive at all, the conflict exists. But if Sonny's going to run around saying Will is the love of his life when there is a possibility he's not actually dead... doesn't that sort of end the storyline right there? Saying something like that makes me think as soon as Will's actually back he's just gonna throw himself at Will's feet and forget Paul altogether. I mean, I doubt that's what's going to happen because... then it'd just be over and I'm sure the intent is to capitalize on this for a while. But I'd rather they just leave out all of this "love of my life" crap for now. So far, I still want PaulSon not WilSon, and I'm not at all upset Sonny isn't trying to tell Paul he's the love of his life, so I don't think this is just my bias speaking. The situation is already understandably traumatizing and we get that Sonny was in love with Will before. For the most part (besides maybe a few viewers who ended up not liking Sonny after the last triangle) nobody questions that. I'm not sure it makes a big difference but the exact quote was:
"I would give anything to tell him that I still love him. Even though I was upset and hurt when we separated, Will was the love of my life."
Maybe Sonny will feel differently once he no longer feels guilty about Will's death but I don't know. Paul's chances are not looking good right now. The fact that the writing has been so pro-WilSon those past few episodes makes it sounds like the choice will be very obvious for Sonny. I'm surprised by that. I don't understand why they would give away the answer now. Are they even going to show Sonny conflicted? I would hate to see Sonny waste more of Paul's time once Will is back in Salem if he knows that Will is the one for him.
Could the writers be doing this to make Sonny picking Paul more surprising? ^o)
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Oct 7 2017, 05:45 AM
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- Oct 6 2017, 06:24 PM
HEY GUYS!
What if when Will first sees Sonny, he promptly walks up to him and kisses him while Paul is in the room with them?! How's that for karma?!
Karma for what? Unless Paul knew that Will was alive, I don't see what he had done that was so bad. :rolleyes:
When Paul first saw Sonny at the hospital, he followed him into the waiting room and kissed him. Remember that? Oh! I see. Paul kissed Sonny, not knowing he was with Will. And now Will kisses Sonny, not knowing he's with Paul. But Will wasn't in the room when PaulSon kissed so I don't quite get it.
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Oct 7 2017, 06:02 AM
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- Oct 6 2017, 12:19 PM
All I know, is if Sonny is going to feel guilty about all of this, that's fine. He can. He's a flawed human and he feels bad because he made mistakes, and all of it was exacerbated by the finality of Will's death because there was zero chance to fix it anymore.
But that better not be how the whole thing plays out, or how everyone else (including Will) sees it. Because despite a few complaints so far (like the one I just posted) I am surprisingly a lot more okay with this than I thought I would be. I'm just going to be really disappointed if they're going try and erase how horrible Will was before he died. I'd rather the show actually play out the beats of redeeming him, than expect me to forget it because Chandler has a different face than the Will I came to dislike so much. I feel bad for Chandler because he wasn't there when his character was pretty much destroyed.
But I can't pretend that everything Guy Wilson's Will did never happened either.
I hope the show can find some balance.
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Oct 7 2017, 06:06 AM
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I thought the episode was alright, the best part was Ben/Marlena. The rest was a little slow for me. I
didn't really enjoy the scenes with Paul or Sonny.
I still don't care about Titan.
Rafe was annoying with Gabi/Eli. And with Hope.
I'm happy that Chloe told Nicole and I loved the Ericole cliffhanger. I can't wait to see their scenes next week!
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Oct 7 2017, 07:42 AM
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- Oct 7 2017, 05:38 AM
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- Oct 6 2017, 11:17 AM
Marlena said Will thought they'd end up together. Sonny says he wants to tell Will he's the love of his life
Can't we have a nice storyline with some sublety? I get that it's a soap and one of the focuses should always be romance. But the thing about this storyline that I think is a strong point is how honestly and organically messy and confusing it all is. You don't need to manufactur the drama here. By nature of Will being alive at all, the conflict exists. But if Sonny's going to run around saying Will is the love of his life when there is a possibility he's not actually dead... doesn't that sort of end the storyline right there? Saying something like that makes me think as soon as Will's actually back he's just gonna throw himself at Will's feet and forget Paul altogether. I mean, I doubt that's what's going to happen because... then it'd just be over and I'm sure the intent is to capitalize on this for a while. But I'd rather they just leave out all of this "love of my life" crap for now. So far, I still want PaulSon not WilSon, and I'm not at all upset Sonny isn't trying to tell Paul he's the love of his life, so I don't think this is just my bias speaking. The situation is already understandably traumatizing and we get that Sonny was in love with Will before. For the most part (besides maybe a few viewers who ended up not liking Sonny after the last triangle) nobody questions that.
I'm not sure it makes a big difference but the exact quote was: "I would give anything to tell him that I still love him. Even though I was upset and hurt when we separated, Will was the love of my life." Maybe Sonny will feel differently once he no longer feels guilty about Will's death but I don't know. Paul's chances are not looking good right now. The fact that the writing has been so pro-WilSon those past few episodes makes it sounds like the choice will be very obvious for Sonny. I'm surprised by that. I don't understand why they would give away the answer now. Are they even going to show Sonny conflicted? I would hate to see Sonny waste more of Paul's time once Will is back in Salem if he knows that Will is the one for him. Could the writers be doing this to make Sonny picking Paul more surprising? ^o) I wonder if Will will be returning and coming to the terms with the fact that he wasn't ready to be married. That would actually be interesting. And could cause a compelling divide in the triangle. Because it doesn't mean to the love between Will and Sonny is automatically dead, but that Paul is more committed.
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Oct 7 2017, 08:40 AM
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I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.
So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens.
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Oct 7 2017, 08:40 AM
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I know everybody is cutting Ron LOTS AND LOTS of slack ("He has to clean up Dena's mess...He started in JULY but his writing doesn't start till Sept...Oct...whenever). Whatever. I'm over it. Except for a hand full of scenes/ideas (Dario blackmailing Abby into marriage; WilSon flashbacks during the vows; the PaulSon cana scene; day 2 of Lucas/Will) this has been crap.
Marlena: "How do you know Will's alive? Ben: "The little voices told me."
Really Ron?
The show is so campy and ridiculous now, Rocky Horror looks like Shakespeare. Ok. Ron looks like Shakespeare compared to Dena, but so what?
Can't wait to LMAO at their "medically plausible" reason for this mess....
And they're still 4th in the ratings? ...lol...Hard to imagine why. That's not even close to the conversation Marlena and Ben had.
"We" are not using those "excuses" anymore because we're past that time table. :shrug:
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Oct 7 2017, 08:43 AM
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The Ben / Marlena scenes were the highlight of the show for me. Marlena really listened to Ben and didn't let his anger and bluster sidetrack her from the reason she was talking to him.
Rafe Gabi is a grown woman ... back off. I know she's your little sister but she's a mother now with a child of her own. I understand you don't like that Eli took that shot at Raines which potentially was a danger to Gabi but to jump all over him because Gabi and he were kissing is just stupid. I just hate these plot points to further another plot ... Rafe and Eli being reluctant partners that never agree on anything .... Riggs and Murtaugh those 2 will never be!
Seriously Vic ... are you actually sitting there enjoying Sonny and Brady whining and pouting and insulting each other ... you appointed Sonny CEO ... now either fire him and appoint Brady or tell Brady to shut the heck up. I mean isn't there a Board of Directors at Titan ... wouldn't all these decisions have to go through them? So Stupid.
I loved when John asked Paul to think about what he would do if Ben was telling the truth. Something Paul just won't even concede is possible right now. Man he's in a big shock when Will does surface.
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Oct 7 2017, 08:52 AM
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I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.
So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens. I could see that. They just go over Sonny's choice quickly (he breaks up with Paul and wants Will back) and then they make all the WilSon angst about Will and his demons. If that happens, I hope Paul is allowed to move on and get a story away from Sonny. I would hate to Paul chase Sonny while Sonny chases Will.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:13 AM
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I know everybody is cutting Ron LOTS AND LOTS of slack ("He has to clean up Dena's mess...He started in JULY but his writing doesn't start till Sept...Oct...whenever). Whatever. I'm over it. Except for a hand full of scenes/ideas (Dario blackmailing Abby into marriage; WilSon flashbacks during the vows; the PaulSon cana scene; day 2 of Lucas/Will) this has been crap.
Marlena: "How do you know Will's alive? Ben: "The little voices told me."
Really Ron?
The show is so campy and ridiculous now, Rocky Horror looks like Shakespeare. Ok. Ron looks like Shakespeare compared to Dena, but so what?
Can't wait to LMAO at their "medically plausible" reason for this mess....
And they're still 4th in the ratings? ...lol...Hard to imagine why. I'm not getting the "campy" issue, here. This isn't at all new for this show, as you're suggesting. Marlena was once possessed by the Devil and levitated off her bed. That was over 20 years ago. I hardly think this current storyline is anywhere close to the campiest thing this show has done.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:21 AM
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James Read was in the comings and going in SOD in the issue that's for next week's air shows. They must have been confused last week.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:21 AM
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I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.
So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens. I've been wondering about that for a while but I keep forgetting to mention it. We haven't talked very much about the possibility that Will comes back and doesn't want Sonny back. We don't know what happened to him or where he's been. He might not want anything to do with romance in general right now.
I can't work out how that won't make Sonny look horrible if he stays with Paul while Will heals or does whatever he needs to do, but who knows.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:23 AM
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I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.
So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens. Christopher and Chandler also seem to have worked together quite a bit so something must take a turn here that everyone doesn't seem coming.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:31 AM
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I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.
So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens.
Christopher and Chandler also seem to have worked together quite a bit so something must take a turn here that everyone doesn't seem coming. There was that picture with Chandler and Christopher looking at each other that sort of teased Will/Paul. Which obviously wasn't official I realize, but still. I think it's on our minds that might be the way it goes.
I am not at all excited about that prospect, lol. But I'm trying to prepare myself for it ahead of time in case it happens.
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