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Friday, October 6, 2017 Episode Discussion
Topic Started: Oct 5 2017, 05:46 PM (12,769 Views)
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Oct 7 2017, 09:31 AM
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Oct 7 2017, 09:23 AM
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Oct 7 2017, 08:40 AM
I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.

So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens.
Christopher and Chandler also seem to have worked together quite a bit so something must take a turn here that everyone doesn't seem coming.
There was that picture with Chandler and Christopher looking at each other that sort of teased Will/Paul. Which obviously wasn't official I realize, but still. I think it's on our minds that might be the way it goes.

I am not at all excited about that prospect, lol. But I'm trying to prepare myself for it ahead of time in case it happens.
Anything's possible but I don't think the story will go in this direction, maybe one day but not over the next few months.

Freddie laughed when he was asked about this picture on a live chat, he said they were just having fun trying different things. I think if that picture was a big spoiler, Freddie wouldn't have posted it and he wouldn't have answered a question about it.

People will believe what they want to believe. I know Freddie is not that popular these days and a lot of people are hoping the show will pair Christopher and Chandler. It makes sense that they would believe the picture was a hint. Just like it makes sense that I don't want to believe it was a hint because I'm not okay with a Paul/Will pairing anytime soon.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:49 AM
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Oct 7 2017, 09:31 AM
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Oct 7 2017, 09:23 AM

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There was that picture with Chandler and Christopher looking at each other that sort of teased Will/Paul. Which obviously wasn't official I realize, but still. I think it's on our minds that might be the way it goes.

I am not at all excited about that prospect, lol. But I'm trying to prepare myself for it ahead of time in case it happens.
Anything's possible but I don't think the story will go in this direction, maybe one day but not over the next few months.

Freddie laughed when he was asked about this picture on a live chat, he said they were just having fun trying different things. I think if that picture was a big spoiler, Freddie wouldn't have posted it and he wouldn't have answered a question about it.

People will believe what they want to believe. I know Freddie is not that popular these days and a lot of people are hoping the show will pair Christopher and Chandler. It makes sense that they would believe the picture was a hint. Just like it makes sense that I don't want to believe it was a hint because I'm not okay with a Paul/Will pairing anytime soon.
Except he's been doing stuff like that for years. I don't believe it was a hint. I "believe" it was a slip.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:54 AM
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Anything's possible but I don't think the story will go in this direction, maybe one day but not over the next few months.

Freddie laughed when he was asked about this picture on a live chat, he said they were just having fun trying different things. I think if that picture was a big spoiler, Freddie wouldn't have posted it and he wouldn't have answered a question about it.

People will believe what they want to believe. I know Freddie is not that popular these days and a lot of people are hoping the show will pair Christopher and Chandler. It makes sense that they would believe the picture was a hint. Just like it makes sense that I don't want to believe it was a hint because I'm not okay with a Paul/Will pairing anytime soon.
Except he's been doing stuff like that for years. I don't believe it was a hint. I "believe" it was a slip.
Okay. I don't know the true story behind this picture but maybe you do. If it was a slip, it was a slip.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:49 AM
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There was that picture with Chandler and Christopher looking at each other that sort of teased Will/Paul. Which obviously wasn't official I realize, but still. I think it's on our minds that might be the way it goes.

I am not at all excited about that prospect, lol. But I'm trying to prepare myself for it ahead of time in case it happens.
Anything's possible but I don't think the story will go in this direction, maybe one day but not over the next few months.

Freddie laughed when he was asked about this picture on a live chat, he said they were just having fun trying different things. I think if that picture was a big spoiler, Freddie wouldn't have posted it and he wouldn't have answered a question about it.

People will believe what they want to believe. I know Freddie is not that popular these days and a lot of people are hoping the show will pair Christopher and Chandler. It makes sense that they would believe the picture was a hint. Just like it makes sense that I don't want to believe it was a hint because I'm not okay with a Paul/Will pairing anytime soon.
If it does go the way of Will/Paul, I hope you are right and it's just not super soon.

I'm not a fan of Freddie as a person anymore, either. But it's not bad enough that I want Will/Paul instead, or because of it. Thankfully the writing has improved and his acting seems to have followed suit a bit, so it's enough to engage me in the story.

That picture he posted though, I just don't think Freddie understands shipping. I think because he, Chandler, and Christopher were having some genuine fun in that shoot, he thought that's all the fans were going to get from it too. I just don't think he understands what he's actually posting/implying when he does stuff like that. "Fun time with my buddies" to him, is "Why are they arranged like that?! Why is Chandler in the middle?! Why are they looking at each other?!" to others.

He should probably just... not do stuff like that.
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Oct 7 2017, 10:18 AM
Hugo
Oct 7 2017, 09:49 AM
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Oct 7 2017, 09:31 AM

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Anything's possible but I don't think the story will go in this direction, maybe one day but not over the next few months.

Freddie laughed when he was asked about this picture on a live chat, he said they were just having fun trying different things. I think if that picture was a big spoiler, Freddie wouldn't have posted it and he wouldn't have answered a question about it.

People will believe what they want to believe. I know Freddie is not that popular these days and a lot of people are hoping the show will pair Christopher and Chandler. It makes sense that they would believe the picture was a hint. Just like it makes sense that I don't want to believe it was a hint because I'm not okay with a Paul/Will pairing anytime soon.
If it does go the way of Will/Paul, I hope you are right and it's just not super soon.

I'm not a fan of Freddie as a person anymore, either. But it's not bad enough that I want Will/Paul instead, or because of it. Thankfully the writing has improved and his acting seems to have followed suit a bit, so it's enough to engage me in the story.

That picture he posted though, I just don't think Freddie understands shipping. I think because he, Chandler, and Christopher were having some genuine fun in that shoot, he thought that's all the fans were going to get from it too. I just don't think he understands what he's actually posting/implying when he does stuff like that. "Fun time with my buddies" to him, is "Why are they arranged like that?! Why is Chandler in the middle?! Why are they looking at each other?!" to others.

He should probably just... not do stuff like that.
I think a lot of the actors (especially the younger ones) think we're all dumb, middle-aged housewives. (And no. I'm not saying middle-aged housewives are dumb) They don't believe we can make reasonable assumptions from pics, and they have no concept of the fact that many of us have been watching soaps for years and know how these things work.
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Hugo
Oct 7 2017, 05:38 AM
Luce
Oct 6 2017, 12:06 PM
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Oct 6 2017, 11:17 AM
Marlena said Will thought they'd end up together. Sonny says he wants to tell Will he's the love of his life
Can't we have a nice storyline with some sublety? I get that it's a soap and one of the focuses should always be romance. But the thing about this storyline that I think is a strong point is how honestly and organically messy and confusing it all is. You don't need to manufactur the drama here. By nature of Will being alive at all, the conflict exists.

But if Sonny's going to run around saying Will is the love of his life when there is a possibility he's not actually dead... doesn't that sort of end the storyline right there? Saying something like that makes me think as soon as Will's actually back he's just gonna throw himself at Will's feet and forget Paul altogether.

I mean, I doubt that's what's going to happen because... then it'd just be over and I'm sure the intent is to capitalize on this for a while. But I'd rather they just leave out all of this "love of my life" crap for now. So far, I still want PaulSon not WilSon, and I'm not at all upset Sonny isn't trying to tell Paul he's the love of his life, so I don't think this is just my bias speaking. The situation is already understandably traumatizing and we get that Sonny was in love with Will before. For the most part (besides maybe a few viewers who ended up not liking Sonny after the last triangle) nobody questions that.
I'm not sure it makes a big difference but the exact quote was:

"I would give anything to tell him that I still love him. Even though I was upset and hurt when we separated, Will was the love of my life."

Maybe Sonny will feel differently once he no longer feels guilty about Will's death but I don't know. Paul's chances are not looking good right now. The fact that the writing has been so pro-WilSon those past few episodes makes it sounds like the choice will be very obvious for Sonny. I'm surprised by that. I don't understand why they would give away the answer now. Are they even going to show Sonny conflicted? I would hate to see Sonny waste more of Paul's time once Will is back in Salem if he knows that Will is the one for him.

Could the writers be doing this to make Sonny picking Paul more surprising? ^o)
I have a feeling Will is going to give Sonny his freedom (divorce ) so Sonny can marry Paul. Will probably knows Sonny loves Paul and wold only stay with Will out of obligation and Will would not want that for Sonny. When he left that final voice message before Ben killed him, he said "I want to make things right for you, Sonny" & I think he probably would have filed for divorce if he had lived.

Unless of course Will returns with loss of memory or amnesia and has no memory of being married to Sonny. Then Sonny can marry Paul after all.
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I watched the Marlena and Ben scenes. They were intense and Emmy worthy.
I caught snips of Paul while trying to get to the start of the Marlena and Ben scenes. It seemed to me Paul is almost stalkerish in trying to hang on to Sonny. He was really creepy in a stalker way.
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They are making it seem to obvious that Sonny would choose Will. We just don't know what Will is going to be like when he returns. He might not ever remember Sonny. He might resent the fact that Sonny moved on with Paul. I probably understand Will but I can't see Paul hurting Sonny. I really wanted Paul and Sonny together and I could probably be okay with Will and Sonny but I will never be okay with Will and Paul. There's always the ff button though. I seem to use it a lot.
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I just remember that Chad and Abby were in this episode. Watching Billy and Marci pretend to be attracted to each other is very awkward. I looked away a lot. They just don't feel like a real couple to me.
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Hugo
Oct 7 2017, 06:02 AM
Luce
Oct 6 2017, 12:19 PM
All I know, is if Sonny is going to feel guilty about all of this, that's fine. He can. He's a flawed human and he feels bad because he made mistakes, and all of it was exacerbated by the finality of Will's death because there was zero chance to fix it anymore.

But that better not be how the whole thing plays out, or how everyone else (including Will) sees it. Because despite a few complaints so far (like the one I just posted) I am surprisingly a lot more okay with this than I thought I would be. I'm just going to be really disappointed if they're going try and erase how horrible Will was before he died. I'd rather the show actually play out the beats of redeeming him, than expect me to forget it because Chandler has a different face than the Will I came to dislike so much.
I feel bad for Chandler because he wasn't there when his character was pretty much destroyed.

But I can't pretend that everything Guy Wilson's Will did never happened either.

I hope the show can find some balance.
Yeah see. I hope they don't gloss over everything Will did even after he cheated with Paul and Sonny found out. The only way I could act like it didn't happen is if they say GW's Will was a doppleganger.
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Oct 7 2017, 09:23 AM
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Oct 7 2017, 08:40 AM
I tend to believe that the more they seem to make it clear that Sonny won't actually be conflicted and will clearly choose Will, the less likely it is that Will and Sonny are going to be together. If they find Will and Sonny easily chooses him and Will reciprocates, then the story ends. I can't believe that Ron would have decided to bring Will back just to have a quick reunion with Sonny.

So, the more they emphasize that Will is Sonny's true love and who he really wants to be with, the more I think the obstacle to that is going to be Will, not Paul. There are various ways it could go with WHY Will might not be running back to Sonny's arms, but that's my guess for what happens.
Christopher and Chandler also seem to have worked together quite a bit so something must take a turn here that everyone doesn't seem coming.
Watch the pairing end up being Will/Paul. They hate each other and argue so much that they can't resist each other. :rolleyes:
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I know my preference (and am obviously pretty biased as a result :whistling: ), but more than anything I remember RC's comments on Chabby vs. Chabi. One couple had the actual on-screen history while the other had manufactured history. To me, that's the (kind of big) difference between WilSon and PaulSon. One in which we saw them go through the steps vs. telling us how awesome they once were. Even with all the issues WilSon had, we saw it all happening in real time as opposed to clunky flashbacks and, oh hey, backstories out of nowhere. That, along with the chemistry, is a primary reason why PaulSon has just never worked for me. :shrug:

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they tested Paul & Will to see if there's a spark, but I doubt I'd be cool with it - just given what's happened on screen. They might re-work some things to make it more palatable so who knows. We also may not get to the end game pair for some time, depending on how long the 3 players are sticking around...
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I'm not here for another round of doormat Sonny.
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I freakin' LOVED that Ericole cliffhanger!! So angsty and HOTT!! :wub: :cheer: :hail:

It's been awhile since the show has done a good storm! I did laugh because nowhere other than Eric's farmhouse was it raining! Lol

I know it's gonna hurt like hell when Nicole breaks Eric's heart, but hopefully Nicole really is pregnant with Eric's miracle baby and she comes back sometime!

Yup I've finally decided that I don't see a spark with Gabi and Eli. I do think Elani could be really good though!

I'm struggling with Chabby because I know they are meant for each other but dang, their scenes are boring me to tears! And it doesn't help that I'm not seeing the chemistry I think should be there between MM and BF.

Brady and Sonny fighting over Titan is just obnoxious at this point! Hell, give the company to Tate..he will probably run it better than his Dad or Sonny ever could!

I'm soooo excited for Lumi!! 💜💜💜 Lucas needs her!
Edited by AmbernOK, Oct 7 2017, 10:16 PM.
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The fact that it took me two days to finish this episode probably says a lot about my feelings toward it.

Ben/Marlena was the best part of the episode. My favorite part was probably Ben raging about them going to hell, the cop opening the door, and Marlena just nonchalantly holding up her hand like, "Sir, I was possessed by the devil; I got this." LOL. The remorse angle is interesting to me since it seemed pretty obvious during the original story that Ben wasn't really capable of showing any rational emotions regarding his actions. Obviously Marlena was just trying to break him down, but I wasn't expecting that angle.

I think I figured out another reason why I can't get into Ericole 2.0: the stakes aren't as compelling. I think what attracted me to the original story was the forbidden "Thornbirds" aspect with Eric being a celibate priest. Now the only "forbidden" aspect is the relationship with Brady, which is just flimsy and unappealing anyway. So, I don't really care if they "cross" Brady because he's just a smug asshole.

Speaking of smug assholes...Rafe can sit down and shut up anytime now.....

The Titan stuff needs to end ASAP. Freddie sucks in that capacity, and they're never going to do anything with the business that takes place out of that damn living room.
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Oct 7 2017, 07:32 PM
I know my preference (and am obviously pretty biased as a result :whistling: ), but more than anything I remember RC's comments on Chabby vs. Chabi. One couple had the actual on-screen history while the other had manufactured history. To me, that's the (kind of big) difference between WilSon and PaulSon. One in which we saw them go through the steps vs. telling us how awesome they once were. Even with all the issues WilSon had, we saw it all happening in real time as opposed to clunky flashbacks and, oh hey, backstories out of nowhere. That, along with the chemistry, is a primary reason why PaulSon has just never worked for me. :shrug:

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they tested Paul & Will to see if there's a spark, but I doubt I'd be cool with it - just given what's happened on screen. They might re-work some things to make it more palatable so who knows. We also may not get to the end game pair for some time, depending on how long the 3 players are sticking around...
It will be interesting to see if Ron comes out and says the same thing about WilSon and PaulSon than he said about Chabby and Chabi but he hasn't commented so far. I'm still hopeful for PaulSon, it's possible Will is just angst for them and that's why the writing makes him sound like such a big threat. I agree the true endgame will probably depend on the timing of the actors departures or maybe when the show gets canceled.
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Oct 7 2017, 11:58 PM
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Oct 7 2017, 07:32 PM
I know my preference (and am obviously pretty biased as a result :whistling: ), but more than anything I remember RC's comments on Chabby vs. Chabi. One couple had the actual on-screen history while the other had manufactured history. To me, that's the (kind of big) difference between WilSon and PaulSon. One in which we saw them go through the steps vs. telling us how awesome they once were. Even with all the issues WilSon had, we saw it all happening in real time as opposed to clunky flashbacks and, oh hey, backstories out of nowhere. That, along with the chemistry, is a primary reason why PaulSon has just never worked for me. :shrug:

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they tested Paul & Will to see if there's a spark, but I doubt I'd be cool with it - just given what's happened on screen. They might re-work some things to make it more palatable so who knows. We also may not get to the end game pair for some time, depending on how long the 3 players are sticking around...
It will be interesting to see if Ron comes out and says the same thing about WilSon and PaulSon than he said about Chabby and Chabi but he hasn't commented so far. I'm still hopeful for PaulSon, it's possible Will is just angst for them and that's why the writing makes him sound like such a big threat. I agree the true endgame will probably depend on the timing of the actors departures or maybe when the show gets canceled.
I hope he doesn’t. I don’t think it’s good to give away something like that when we haven’t even seen where the story is going. It can be a relief when you don’t like one of the couples, but if you’re more middle ground or rooting for the other one, it just destroys the story.
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lysie
Oct 8 2017, 07:52 AM
Hugo
Oct 7 2017, 11:58 PM
BrightEyes
Oct 7 2017, 07:32 PM
I know my preference (and am obviously pretty biased as a result :whistling: ), but more than anything I remember RC's comments on Chabby vs. Chabi. One couple had the actual on-screen history while the other had manufactured history. To me, that's the (kind of big) difference between WilSon and PaulSon. One in which we saw them go through the steps vs. telling us how awesome they once were. Even with all the issues WilSon had, we saw it all happening in real time as opposed to clunky flashbacks and, oh hey, backstories out of nowhere. That, along with the chemistry, is a primary reason why PaulSon has just never worked for me. :shrug:

I guess it wouldn't surprise me if they tested Paul & Will to see if there's a spark, but I doubt I'd be cool with it - just given what's happened on screen. They might re-work some things to make it more palatable so who knows. We also may not get to the end game pair for some time, depending on how long the 3 players are sticking around...
It will be interesting to see if Ron comes out and says the same thing about WilSon and PaulSon than he said about Chabby and Chabi but he hasn't commented so far. I'm still hopeful for PaulSon, it's possible Will is just angst for them and that's why the writing makes him sound like such a big threat. I agree the true endgame will probably depend on the timing of the actors departures or maybe when the show gets canceled.
I hope he doesn’t. I don’t think it’s good to give away something like that when we haven’t even seen where the story is going. It can be a relief when you don’t like one of the couples, but if you’re more middle ground or rooting for the other one, it just destroys the story.
I agree. If you know how it is going to end and you don't like it why even watch.
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