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Monday, October 9, 2017 Episode Discussion
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Oct 9 2017, 03:47 PM
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Oct 9 2017, 03:28 PM
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Oct 9 2017, 03:24 PM

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I agree ericole needed these scenes today. I also don't think J&M are too sacred to have scenes repeated lol

I also do think it took me a little out of the scenes today because they were so similar. That's a disservice to ericole.
Another way to look at this is perhaps DAYS very deliberately wants to draw you back to these moments for a reason which is not yet obvious. It not the 1st time this has happened. The letter between EJ and Sami when she was in jail last time, came straight out of Aremid and John letter to Marlena

"Patience is virtue" they say ;)
When a show is on for 50 years things get repeated. It's not because we're too blind to see some secret plan.
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Oct 9 2017, 03:38 PM
Ericole are DOOMED star crossed lover. I don't have a problem with this because
Nicole was always just a GOLD DIGGER!!!Once she made that
choice Eric came back from Colorado, moved on with Greta, before he moved to Africa {Remember her? John's possible daughter who appeared basically out of nowhere} All of this which Nicole completely left out today in recounting Eric history.


I think Greta was a pretty minor thing for Nicole to leave out, since Eric/Nicole were together again before Eric left for Colorado and eventually, off screen, for Africa. Yeah, Eric/Nicole's togetherness at that time was based partly on Nicole's cancer lie... but more on the fact that Eric just couldn't get over Nicole and cheated on Greta with Nicole of his own free will.

And as Eric vaguely touched on, Nicole's original choice to leave him for Lucas wasn't solely about the money. It was about having been forced to do porn as a teenager and her belief-- spurred on by Lucas-- that Lucas was worldly enough to accept that and Eric wasn't. And when she moved along from Lucas to Victor, she was quite clear with Brandon that she was chasing money partially because she was still spinning off of losing Eric, the one man she had genuinely loved. That's not to say Nicole hasn't been a gold digger, but she wasn't just a gold digger even at her worst.
Maybe

BUT Greta and Eric were at the heart of the whole story with John as Soldier Black,
all the repercussion which happened because Gina stole John away to her submarine
We spent the better part of two years watching "John" and "Marlena" have significant
difficulties" over JT before that was "cleared up"

I wouldn't call that a MINOR part of the story!!!
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Oct 9 2017, 03:49 PM
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Another way to look at this is perhaps DAYS very deliberately wants to draw you back to these moments for a reason which is not yet obvious. It not the 1st time this has happened. The letter between EJ and Sami when she was in jail last time, came straight out of Aremid and John letter to Marlena

"Patience is virtue" they say ;)
When a show is on for 50 years things get repeated. It's not because we're too blind to see some secret plan.


Yes I do realize stories and ideas have a way of being repeated OFTEN

Did I say you were to blind?!?!?

Don't put words into my mouth PLEASE

I'm just sharing a different POV
Edited by Loving80sDays, Oct 9 2017, 03:57 PM.
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When a show is on for 50 years things get repeated. It's not because we're too blind to see some secret plan.


Yes I do realize stories and ideas have a way of being repeated OFTEN

Did I say you were to blind?!?!?

Don't put words into my mouth PLEASE

I'm just sharing a different POV
I didn't say you said it. I'm saying not everything is a secret plan we need to be patient for.
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Oct 9 2017, 02:25 PM
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Oct 9 2017, 02:18 PM
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Oct 9 2017, 01:36 PM
Take note, various writers from the past 5 years: see what Ericole did today? Would that really have been so hard to do before AZ left the show?
Well, sadly, it was hard considering one of the actors involved didn't want to do it!
Well, I have to do a lot of stuff at work that I don't want to do. And I guarantee what I'm asked to do is MUCH less enjoyable than what AZ was asked to do. ;)
True enough, but I don't think you are a temperamental, petulant actress, are you??
This is the second time she has forced Ericole to not be together. I have no use for her at all.
I hope if they decide to bring the character back, it's a recast
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Yes I do realize stories and ideas have a way of being repeated OFTEN

Did I say you were to blind?!?!?

Don't put words into my mouth PLEASE

I'm just sharing a different POV
I didn't say you said it. I'm saying not everything is a secret plan we need to be patient for.
Thanks, I wasn't trying to be difficult and patience is a virtue was more or less a joke.

We've been the best fan base Days has.


I get tired and frustrated with how little movement there is REPEATEDLY with

Deidre and Drake more than most people realize.

DAYS knows DH'S are the the SHOWS hottest couple :wub: (commodity) and their

VERY STINGY!!! :frustration:
Edited by Loving80sDays, Oct 9 2017, 04:15 PM.
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Oct 9 2017, 03:24 PM
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With all due respect to the John/Marlena plane scene-- and I agree that those who haven't seen it should watch because it's good stuff-- I don't think J/M own the soap trope of character A chasing down character B in the rain after months of pining. Honestly what popped into my head first was Jessica and Nash on OLTL. In the rain is frequently used to heighten the atmosphere. Hardly an identifying detail.
It wasn't just the rain. The dialogue was so similar.

That being said, I take no offense to them using it. It is a trope. But it's not unusual to point out such clear similarities
I have no issue with anyone pointing out similarities or with Eric reflecting an important moment in his mother's life if the similarities are indeed deliberate. I'm certainly not denying the similarities.

I just strongly disagree with those who think it shouldn't have been so similar, as I think it was exactly what Ericole needed and it was exactly what I wanted for them. I would hate for a soap writer to say "we can't write an on point last hurrah for Ericole because it comes too close to the sacredness that is another couple." I wanted the talk about the past and I wanted the rain.
I'd be happy if the writers re-did all the great days stories and introduced new couples that I like half as much. JJ Abrams did it with Star Wars. I'd be happy if Ron/Sherri could re-energize Days with some good stories. I love re-watching the stories from the 80s, and it's been long enough that maybe they could nab younger viewers who haven't seen them. There are only so many core stories, but there are lots of ways to do them. Days has not had a great love story in ages. I may not love Nicole anymore, but at least today was soapy.
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Oct 9 2017, 02:43 PM
With all due respect to the John/Marlena plane scene-- and I agree that those who haven't seen it should watch because it's good stuff-- I don't think J/M own the soap trope of character A chasing down character B in the rain after months of pining. Honestly what popped into my head first was Jessica and Nash on OLTL. In the rain is frequently used to heighten the atmosphere. Hardly an identifying detail.
The rain? I wasn’t even thinking of that. Rain was totally minor. It was some of the dialogue and similar situations. One was Eric saying something about how he couldn’t be in Salem at the same time she and Brady were there too. I don’t think it’s a big deal at all just amusing to me as I was watching.
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I guess security at Bayview didn’t recognize Clyde becauese of that brilliant disguise, similar to Orpheus and Zander’s.. plaid and vests. And the baseball cap especially. That’s one Brady and Nicole utilized as well. Surely their mugs had to be plastered on TV, newspapers, posters etc all over Salem. Plus you’d think Bayview would be super concerned about Clyde possibly visiting his son. :rolleyes:

I hope we don’t have to wait long for the Clyde connection to be explained. Right now it’s not making sense to me.

Poor Paul still doesn’t know how common dead people come back. Maybe Claire should educated him :D She seems to be Salem’s truth teller now.
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Watched most of the show today (okay, half-ish).

Enjoyed the Ben/Hope scenes. RSW continues to be awesome as a crazy guy. The "flashbacks" with Clyde were really good and RSW was so good at showing those little layers to Ben's remorse - that Thomas couldn't look him in the eye, that Will was his friend. And KA was excellent as well (and I can't remember the last time I said that). Really well done scenes.

I didn't love or hate the Tripp/Claire/Theo stuff. Theo and Claire don't really do anything for me. But, I do appreciate that they were talking about the interrupted wedding and Will. When a big event affects even those that weren't present, or aren't directly connected, it makes it feel like a big event. It makes it feel like the canvas is more connected.

The S&K stuff was fine for me. I get why people don't care for it, but I appreciate that they are not sweeping everything under the rug. And I didn't think Kayla was sending mixed messages, I think her message just wasn't black/white. She was upset with Steve for deciding she didn't want Tripp at the wedding and telling Tripp that without talking to her about her feelings. She said that she's not ready to let Tripp into her heart, but she also acknowledged it was bigger than her and that Steve needed to do right by Tripp. I thought it was fairly clear that not being ready to let Tripp back in was not the same as wanting to be cut out of that part of Steve's life or wanting to be the reason Tripp stayed away from his family. To me, that's not a mixed message, it's a fairly compassionate one. She's trying to walk a fine line of sorts and being pretty honest about it.

That said, I don't think Steve was wrong either. He was making an assumption that maybe he shouldn't have made, but it was an understandable one based on Kayla's feelings. And he was trying to put her first which I appreciate. I liked his honesty in saying that he didn't know what she wanted from him. It's okay to be confused and be unsure about the right thing to do. I like how they talked it out and came to a better place.

Like I said, I get people are tired of the Tripp stuf and so am I, honestly. I'll be glad when they do get to talk about other things. But - for me - the only thing worse than talking about him would be pretending they don't have an issue to work out. I wish that was focused a little more on what Tripp did, but at least it's not ignoring a logical conflict in their lives.
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Oct 9 2017, 02:49 PM
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With all due respect to the John/Marlena plane scene-- and I agree that those who haven't seen it should watch because it's good stuff-- I don't think J/M own the soap trope of character A chasing down character B in the rain after months of pining. Honestly what popped into my head first was Jessica and Nash on OLTL. In the rain is frequently used to heighten the atmosphere. Hardly an identifying detail.
It wasn't just the rain. The dialogue was so similar.

That being said, I take no offense to them using it. It is a trope. But it's not unusual to point out such clear similarities


I haven't watched yet, but I like the idea of Eric as the next generation reflecting having a scene from his own storyline reflecting a scene from his mother's storyline.
That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm not sure how to word it, but I like the fact that a similar story is playing out with Marlena's son in the role that John played with her. This could have really been an amazing story if it got to play out the way it should with a confrontation between Brady/Eric/Nicole and then I'd throw in Sami. I think this might be the one time when she would actually be angry at Eric. I'd completely be on his side, but I think it would be soapy good for her to remind Eric of how their parents marriage ended. I really wanted this story to play out with Daniel/Eric and I think it was going to until someone intervened. But I think it has more of a bite to it with Eric/Brady than Eric/Daniel.

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I haven't watched yet, but I like the idea of Eric as the next generation reflecting having a scene from his own storyline reflecting a scene from his mother's storyline.
That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm not sure how to word it, but I like the fact that a similar story is playing out with Marlena's son in the role that John played with her. This could have really been an amazing story if it got to play out the way it should with a confrontation between Brady/Eric/Nicole and then I'd throw in Sami. I think this might be the one time when she would actually be angry at Eric. I'd completely be on his side, but I think it would be soapy good for her to remind Eric of how their parents marriage ended. I really wanted this story to play out with Daniel/Eric and I think it was going to until someone intervened. But I think it has more of a bite to it with Eric/Brady than Eric/Daniel.

I agree it's better with Eric and Brady and I said the same thing earlier- it's a shame this story has to end soon and not play the real fallout like J&M's did
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So Claire only mentions that Will was Sonny's first husband? Hmm, last time I checked he was your cousin on both sides of your family with genetic ties to 3 of your 4 grandparents! Sloppy writing.
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Lovejm
Oct 9 2017, 05:40 PM
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That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm not sure how to word it, but I like the fact that a similar story is playing out with Marlena's son in the role that John played with her. This could have really been an amazing story if it got to play out the way it should with a confrontation between Brady/Eric/Nicole and then I'd throw in Sami. I think this might be the one time when she would actually be angry at Eric. I'd completely be on his side, but I think it would be soapy good for her to remind Eric of how their parents marriage ended. I really wanted this story to play out with Daniel/Eric and I think it was going to until someone intervened. But I think it has more of a bite to it with Eric/Brady than Eric/Daniel.

I agree it's better with Eric and Brady and I said the same thing earlier- it's a shame this story has to end soon and not play the real fallout like J&M's did
It would have been interesting for all the reasons you guys cited but since I don't care about Nicole and can't understand why anyone would fight over her I'm ok with it ending her leaving. What I'm wondering is the fallout and how Brady and Eric's relationship will be after the viper leaves the show.
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Oct 9 2017, 05:43 PM
So Claire only mentions that Will was Sonny's first husband? Hmm, last time I checked he was your cousin on both sides of your family with genetic ties to 3 of your 4 grandparents! Sloppy writing.
The way she said was weird but maybe it was because she was explaining it to Tripp who didn't know Will or much of the family history. she's putting it in a simpler context for to understand. IDK it sounded like she didn't even know who Will was lol.
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So Claire only mentions that Will was Sonny's first husband? Hmm, last time I checked he was your cousin on both sides of your family with genetic ties to 3 of your 4 grandparents! Sloppy writing.
I honestly don't think the show will get better unless they get rid of the same script writers that did bad work under Higley.
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Poor Eric you deserve so much better than this barrel of slime standing in front of you!! YOU CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER!!
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So Claire only mentions that Will was Sonny's first husband? Hmm, last time I checked he was your cousin on both sides of your family with genetic ties to 3 of your 4 grandparents! Sloppy writing.
The way she said was weird but maybe it was because she was explaining it to Tripp who didn't know Will or much of the family history. she's putting it in a simpler context for to understand. IDK it sounded like she didn't even know who Will was lol.
This was kind of my feeling too -- she was trying to simplify things for Tripp. I honestly wasn't bothered by it at all.

What I did find weird about that sequence was Tripp's kind of subdued reaction to the whole thing. Unlike Claire and Theo, he hasn't been around Salem that long, and I'd expect the whole crazy dude crashing the wedding and saying the groom's ex is alive thing would get a little more "What the hell?!" kind of reaction from him.
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So Claire only mentions that Will was Sonny's first husband? Hmm, last time I checked he was your cousin on both sides of your family with genetic ties to 3 of your 4 grandparents! Sloppy writing.
The way she said was weird but maybe it was because she was explaining it to Tripp who didn't know Will or much of the family history. she's putting it in a simpler context for to understand. IDK it sounded like she didn't even know who Will was lol.
This was kind of my feeling too -- she was trying to simplify things for Tripp. I honestly wasn't bothered by it at all.

What I did find weird about that sequence was Tripp's kind of subdued reaction to the whole thing. Unlike Claire and Theo, he hasn't been around Salem that long, and I'd expect the whole crazy dude crashing the wedding and saying the groom's ex is alive thing would get a little more "What the hell?!" kind of reaction from him.
Well, he already heard the story about his presumed dead, amnesiac father getting kidnapped from his wedding to his (psycho) mother. Plus, all the stories about the stuff his psycho mother pulled. A murderer crashing a wedding to say that someone was still alive fits right it. ;)
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I haven't watched yet, but I like the idea of Eric as the next generation reflecting having a scene from his own storyline reflecting a scene from his mother's storyline.
That's kind of what I was thinking. I'm not sure how to word it, but I like the fact that a similar story is playing out with Marlena's son in the role that John played with her. This could have really been an amazing story if it got to play out the way it should with a confrontation between Brady/Eric/Nicole and then I'd throw in Sami. I think this might be the one time when she would actually be angry at Eric. I'd completely be on his side, but I think it would be soapy good for her to remind Eric of how their parents marriage ended. I really wanted this story to play out with Daniel/Eric and I think it was going to until someone intervened. But I think it has more of a bite to it with Eric/Brady than Eric/Daniel.

" I'd throw in Sami. I think this might be the one time when she would actually be angry at Eric. I'd completely be on his side, but I think it would be soapy good for her to remind Eric of how their parents marriage ended. "

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

I'm actually hoping that the reality is somewhere in the middle. Sami was always so sure, confident she was right with her judgemental attitude towards John & Marlena affair. They played off that with WILL in 2011 when Sami had grief sex with EJ. Days brought Eric into the equation with Nicole & Vargus. Kristen shows up at the workplace and tells Eric how terrible John and Marlena affair hurt the whole family. Nothing we hadn't heard from Kristen before in 1998...but it happened with a "different" Eric.

Later we got that somewhat fabulous scene with Kristen talk to the picture of Jesus. I like the element of religion that days has always had. At the time it offended me a bit. But since that time I have grown to appreciate many more of the way the "other" women in John life had an impact upon the story. I'm died in the wool behind the DH's as a couple.

There is no other couple who can beat the way the two of them can make a scene come together and sizzle. (Ok ok, I love Steve and Kayla too and early Shane & Kim) Yet what transpired along the way is more intriguing to me NOW than it once was. Probably because I'm older and I know in the end they always find their way back to one another. It easier for me to watch scene that involve their children that I don't agree with, still Sami will always in someway bug the heck out of me without some kind of repercussions to her character

SORRY NOT SORRY to those I offend.

HA, I am going to edit this to say and the other men in Marlena life as well :)
Edited by Loving80sDays, Oct 9 2017, 07:18 PM.
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