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| Tuesday, October 10, 2017 Episode Discussion | |
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| lifewithrox | Oct 10 2017, 10:26 PM Post #261 |
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I meant I would have found it moving if it had started raining on Kate and Lucas. |
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| SendSouvenirs | Oct 10 2017, 11:11 PM Post #262 |
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But there isn't actually less of them. They still top episode counts and are even more irritating now because they appear to be on with no purpose, hence the term filler. Many of their recent scenes have been unnecessary and completely expendable. I can count on more than one hand the amount of times they could have been written out of episodes in the last two weeks. |
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| SendSouvenirs | Oct 10 2017, 11:13 PM Post #263 |
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I'm all for Brady embracing his darker side, but him going dark for this latest round of Bricole that was slapped together after Deimos seems weak to me. |
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| elci525 | Oct 11 2017, 12:00 AM Post #264 |
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I have to say, I was quite taken and affected by Kate and Lucas's scenes. I 1095% agree with Lysie that those scenes were incredibly, almost movingly, reminiscent of the scenes a kajillion years ago when Lucas had to sign over custody of Will (and I also agree those long-ago scenes were better). I can see why some might not be quite so compelled by BD's sad acting, but I am buying into it full stop. There are these tics that I am not sure are idiosyncratically Bryan or specifically designed for Lucas, like whenever he says "man/come on man" or the pitiable nature of the sobs. But whether an acting tic or choice, they've been consistent characteristics for as long as I have been watching Lucas (20+ years) so I appreciate the consistency so much. I am going to break down what I loved about these scenes: - they were of a quality that evinced LKs and BDs familiarity and comfort with each other. It all felt so incredibly wrought and organic, I think bc these actors have worked this crazy dynamic inside and out for years. It felt like coming home and it felt honest - unlike scenes between, say, BF and MM where I want to throw my shoes at the TV bc I just can't believe that relationship. - I thought they were both fantastic criers - Lucas's cries more broad and pathetic, and Kate's quieter, reflected her guilty breaking heart. - In general, using Lucas in this way I think is so smart, because it has often been commented how little he is used despite having connections to so many characters on the canvas. I can believe he believes he is alone, BECAUSE HE IS. Even if you can say, no Lucas you don't have no one....for the amount of time his friends and family actually interact with him, it's painfully clear he doesn't have much support (Kate not withstanding). - When Lucas was talking about maybe believing in cosmic energy or forces in the universe, the way BD delivered the line "and this is his way of trying to connect with ME," the voice cracking and sorrowfulness - on the "ME" especially - tore my heart into little itty bitty shreds. - that Kate's first reaction to hearing that Sonny asked Lucas about exhuming Will's body, was to (rightly) be outraged at how this would have affected Lucas, was so spot on perfect to me; that's exactly how Kate would and should react. Winner winner chicken dinner all around for me. Perhaps these scenes were over the top and overwrought, but I believed every second. |
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| Hugo | Oct 11 2017, 04:05 AM Post #265 |
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I think European soaps usually do the opposite. 1 episode = 1 day more or less. Of course they do cliffhangers but usually they get resolved in the first few minutes of the next episode and then they move on to the next morning. I have to say I actually prefer the American style but I think they should mix things up once in a while. |
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| Hugo | Oct 11 2017, 04:22 AM Post #266 |
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You're right about the justification. One of the problems with the last storyline Will had is that his crazy behavior seemed unnecessary and he was only screwing things for himself. Yes, Paul was Sonny's first love and Sonny asked him to marry him once but Sonny didn't sleep with Paul. Will was the one who cheated on Sonny, and Sonny still stayed with him and promised he was committed to their marriage. Now, if Will returns to Salem and learns that Sonny was going to give their marriage another chance when Ben "killed" him but now Sonny has moved on and is in love with Paul, that's a good justification to act crazy and try to sabotage Paul and Sonny's relationship. Because it was unfair that his second (or third or fourth) chance with Sonny was stolen from him because of Ben. |
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| lover9001 | Oct 11 2017, 04:26 AM Post #267 |
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I'm so late but I'm wondering is there an interview or something where Ari admits she doesn't like Ericole or ? I just see so many people on twitter & here mention that she quit because she doesn't ship her character with Eric ? But she has no problem with bricole ? I don't understand . Anyways Good episode today ! Loved the ericole & Kate/Lucas scenes . |
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| Hugo | Oct 11 2017, 04:32 AM Post #268 |
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I bet Ron knows twitter fans will annoy him in his mentions if he doesn't make those details clear in the dialogue. |
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| Hugo | Oct 11 2017, 04:41 AM Post #269 |
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If I remember Arianne's interview correctly, she signed a 2 year contract in 2015 and soon after she decided that she would leave the show at the end of that contract. My guess is that her decision happened when the show killed off Daniel in the summer 2015. She said she informed TPTB that she would not renew her contract in the fall 2016, right before the hiatus. |
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| Hugo | Oct 11 2017, 04:55 AM Post #270 |
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I thought it was another good episode. The Ericole scenes were great, once again. I'm so happy for them and while I understand the negative comments about Nicole, I can still buy that Nicole is really in love with Eric and always was. I wish they would rewrite that she picked Daniel because she felt he was the safe choice, not the love of her life but whatever. I'm happy that her love for Brady was just gratitude. And I'm gonna ignore her infatuation with Deimos. I was happy that Paul and Sonny had some scenes together today, that Paul got to verbalize his doubts about Sonny's love for him and that Sonny denied it and reaffirmed that he loves him. However, if Sonny ends up dumping Paul the minute Will is found alive, it will be hard for me to believe that Sonny really loved Paul, even if he was the one who proposed to him. I guess time will tell. I don't know if Ron will break up PaulSon for WilSon but at least I get the impression that Ron won't throw Paul under the bus for Will. I hope I'm not wrong about that. Lucas had some good scenes with ghost Will and Kate again but I wasn't as moved as the last times for some reason. I'm looking forward to his reunion with Sami now. Edited by Hugo, Oct 11 2017, 04:56 AM.
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| jennmarie | Oct 11 2017, 06:40 AM Post #271 |
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My head cannon discounts most of Ericole's story (not that existed anymore at that point) after FOL 2015 until it came back in May 2017. |
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| Lovejm | Oct 11 2017, 06:57 AM Post #272 |
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This was another mixed episode for me. I wanted to like Lucas and Kate. I thought the writing was very good. I didn't really enjoy Lauren for the most part. Which is a shame because I feel like the content was there. I don't have much to say about the Chad and Abby stuff. I feel like that's happening a lot lately where they're on but there's just nothing happening. Eric Nicole. Well I feel like they actually went a little out of their way to make Nicole really partially a bad guy here in this situation when really up until this point it had just been Brady. So I do wonder if the way this is going to play is that Brady was wrong for all of the ridiculous things that he did and they offset that by saying that Eric and Nicole were also wrong because of what happened yesterday. Chloe's air quotes for Doug's Place was fun. It should be fun when she sees Julie. So of course I have the most to say about John and Brady. I echo some earlier sentiments that Brady has been a better human being when he's around John and/or Marlena. I think that extends to Chloe too. I continue to think it's interesting that they're showing Victor as a bad influence for Brady. I can certainly appreciate both boys asking John how Marlena was doing. I feel like those are things that past writing teams just would've left out and it would've been John and his boys. And in all seriousness I would like to personally thank whoever decided that John and Marlena both should be like 'yea I've seen crazier' when it comes to this back from the dead stuff. Edited by Lovejm, Oct 11 2017, 06:58 AM.
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| KBrady | Oct 11 2017, 07:31 AM Post #273 |
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It's really hard to get past LKs unnatural looking face. I don't think BD is doing a good job with his material. In order to enjoy Eric and Nicole I just try and forget her history with Daniel and Deimos. Nicole saying things like "I've wanted this for so long" ring false but the actors are good and have chemistry so I like watching them. Other than that I wish I were invested in Chabby and Paulson because the show has focused around them for awhile now and I'm bored with it. |
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| Lovejm | Oct 11 2017, 07:35 AM Post #274 |
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I wanted to mention that too. Lauren's face has become a distraction. |
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| Cimz | Oct 11 2017, 10:01 AM Post #275 |
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I'm not bothered because it seems in character for Kate to have taken that sort of work a step too far. It would distract me more if Kate were a less vain, more emotionally healthy character.* I'm also not bothered because so far it hasn't impeded her ability to act: she's still capable of moving her face. * To be clear, not casting any aspersions on Lauren, who strikes me as a wonderfully kind and confident person. She works in an industry where this stuff is required. Fictional Salemites don't. |
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| Lovejm | Oct 11 2017, 10:48 AM Post #276 |
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LOL agreed about Lauren and also agree Kate seems to be a character who would do that too. But some days it's more noticeable than others and yesterday was one of those- it may have been that night lighting Edited by Lovejm, Oct 11 2017, 10:48 AM.
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| Michael Goldberg | Oct 11 2017, 11:05 AM Post #277 |
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Well, Ari claims a lot of things. What we do know is that she announced her departure just as she was taping the scenes where Nicole started liking Eric again. |
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| PatNS | Oct 11 2017, 12:11 PM Post #278 |
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The highlight of the show for me were the Lucas scenes with Will and his scenes were Kate. It's been a very long time since we've seen that strong of a mother / son bond between Kate and Lucas ... especially the feelings from Kate. I enjoyed seeing Will again and can't wait to find out what really happened to Will after Ben strangled him. So was Lucas pouring the rest of his whiskey out of the bottle on Will's grave the sign that he's reached rock bottom and is willing to get on the road to recovery or is there still more of a downward spiral for him in the next little while. I really wanted to like Eric and Nicole because I was a big fan of that pairing. Yes the chemistry is still there but i just thought of their scenes as a gesture to placate all Ericole fans before Nicole leaves town. So does this mean we're in for months and months of gloomy Eric again ... I'm just not down with that. It's such a shame that so much time was wasted when they've known for 2 years Nicole was leaving. Oh well. I just wonder what's next for Eric. I agree that John almost makes Brady tolerable. Of course Brady will continue to take Vic's advice over John's because he's all about being a Kiriakis not a Black. Paul, Sonny, Chad and Abby - wash, rinse, repeat. Have they actually said anything different since Ben's showed up? |
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| concerned | Oct 11 2017, 01:50 PM Post #279 |
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But she'd told the show she was leaving 3 months before that. |
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| Hugo | Oct 11 2017, 02:07 PM Post #280 |
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The stuff with Eric/Nicole/Xander in Greece had already been taped when she said she informed TPTB. |
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