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Topic Started: Oct 11 2017, 07:10 PM (28,886 Views)
Tammy
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For some reason I could tolerate Jennifer & Eric more than I could Kristen & Brady... and I'm not sure why because I really didn't like either couple.

Whenever I saw Kristen & Brady together all I could hear in my head was Brady's toddler voice saying "Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
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lysie


Tammy
Oct 14 2017, 10:36 PM
For some reason I could tolerate Jennifer & Eric more than I could Kristen & Brady... and I'm not sure why because I really didn't like either couple.

Whenever I saw Kristen & Brady together all I could hear in my head was Brady's toddler voice saying "Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
Yeah. That takes things to a whole other level.

I got frustrated with them because Eileen and Eric seemed to think issues with them were based in sexism, and uh...no. Based on him calling her "mommy." Thanks.
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lysie
Oct 14 2017, 10:54 PM
Tammy
Oct 14 2017, 10:36 PM
For some reason I could tolerate Jennifer & Eric more than I could Kristen & Brady... and I'm not sure why because I really didn't like either couple.

Whenever I saw Kristen & Brady together all I could hear in my head was Brady's toddler voice saying "Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
Yeah. That takes things to a whole other level.

I got frustrated with them because Eileen and Eric seemed to think issues with them were based in sexism, and uh...no. Based on him calling her "mommy." Thanks.
I have more of an issue about Brady & the writers totally ignoring the fact that Marlena is his mother, that Isabella died when he was months old & he never knew her. That he called Marlena mom, that even after KL's Brady addressed his anger issues with Marlena it was a big deal that he once again wanted to call Marlena mom & did. I also didn't care that Brady was having sex with his ex step-mother, it was more about who. I hated how he would consider being with a woman that caused him so much pain & his family. I hated how horrible he was to John & Marlena during the storyline also.

This is my biggest issue with EM's Brady, his charcter Brady gets enraged and angry with no actual acceptable charcter motivation. Then the actor goes out and pimps his storyline with zero understanding about what is going on. Example: Kristen drugged and rapped Eric, because of her actions he lost his priesthood. Yet, in interviews or in current scenes the actor & Brady seem to have zero understanding about this. I know the writers are the writers, but how is it that BF can advocate for his charcter (going to TPTB and expressing concern about sleeping with Ciara) and EM who has been on the show longer, is senior to BF cannot express some type of investment in the integrity of the charcter & storyline.

For me the outrage about Brady & Kristen, wasn't age, wasn't that she was someone he called mommy, it was the horrible disrespect Brady showed John & Marlena (as did the writers) .
Edited by Lifetime943, Oct 15 2017, 07:57 AM.
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Lifetime943
Oct 15 2017, 07:55 AM
lysie
Oct 14 2017, 10:54 PM
Tammy
Oct 14 2017, 10:36 PM
For some reason I could tolerate Jennifer & Eric more than I could Kristen & Brady... and I'm not sure why because I really didn't like either couple.

Whenever I saw Kristen & Brady together all I could hear in my head was Brady's toddler voice saying "Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
Yeah. That takes things to a whole other level.

I got frustrated with them because Eileen and Eric seemed to think issues with them were based in sexism, and uh...no. Based on him calling her "mommy." Thanks.
I have more of an issue about Brady & the writers totally ignoring the fact that Marlena is his mother, that Isabella died when he was months old & he never knew her. That he called Marlena mom, that even after KL's Brady addressed his anger issues with Marlena it was a big deal that he once again wanted to call Marlena mom & did. I also didn't care that Brady was having sex with his ex step-mother, it was more about who. I hated how he would consider being with a woman that caused him so much pain & his family. I hated how horrible he was to John & Marlena during the storyline also.

This is my biggest issue with EM's Brady, his charcter Brady gets enraged and angry with no actual acceptable charcter motivation. Then the actor goes out and pimps his storyline with zero understanding about what is going on. Example: Kristen drugged and rapped Eric, because of her actions he lost his priesthood. Yet, in interviews or in current scenes the actor & Brady seem to have zero understanding about this. I know the writers are the writers, but how is it that BF can advocate for his charcter (going to TPTB and expressing concern about sleeping with Ciara) and EM who has been on the show longer, is senior to BF cannot express some type of investment in the integrity of the charcter & storyline.

For me the outrage about Brady & Kristen, wasn't age, wasn't that she was someone he called mommy, it was the horrible disrespect Brady showed John & Marlena (as did the writers) .
While they didn’t do a great job with that story at all, they did at least acknowledge that Brady being with Kristen was horrifying for J&M. They didn’t acknowledge his previous relationship with Kristen at all.

I don’t think Billy did himself any favors “speaking up” for his character. What was planned would have salvaged the character more than what came.
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lysie
Oct 15 2017, 08:03 AM
Lifetime943
Oct 15 2017, 07:55 AM
lysie
Oct 14 2017, 10:54 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep"Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
I have more of an issue about Brady & the writers totally ignoring the fact that Marlena is his mother, that Isabella died when he was months old & he never knew her. That he called Marlena mom, that even after KL's Brady addressed his anger issues with Marlena it was a big deal that he once again wanted to call Marlena mom & did. I also didn't care that Brady was having sex with his ex step-mother, it was more about who. I hated how he would consider being with a woman that caused him so much pain & his family. I hated how horrible he was to John & Marlena during the storyline also.

This is my biggest issue with EM's Brady, his charcter Brady gets enraged and angry with no actual acceptable charcter motivation. Then the actor goes out and pimps his storyline with zero understanding about what is going on. Example: Kristen drugged and rapped Eric, because of her actions he lost his priesthood. Yet, in interviews or in current scenes the actor & Brady seem to have zero understanding about this. I know the writers are the writers, but how is it that BF can advocate for his charcter (going to TPTB and expressing concern about sleeping with Ciara) and EM who has been on the show longer, is senior to BF cannot express some type of investment in the integrity of the charcter & storyline.

For me the outrage about Brady & Kristen, wasn't age, wasn't that she was someone he called mommy, it was the horrible disrespect Brady showed John & Marlena (as did the writers) .
While they didn’t do a great job with that story at all, they did at least acknowledge that Brady being with Kristen was horrifying for J&M. They didn’t acknowledge his previous relationship with Kristen at all.

I don’t think Billy did himself any favors “speaking up” for his character. What was planned would have salvaged the character more than what came.
I have to agree with you 100%, BF should have kept his options to himself on that one, Gabi as a replacement did major distraction his charcter.
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I'd take awful Gabi and Chad over Chad and Ciara ANY DAY OF THE WEEK lol

I also think Jen/Eric have chemistry but I don't know how exciting they'd be once paired together, if they are paired together. I think they have a nice longing chemistry and friendship so I'd be all for another hookup. Long-term? I'm not sure.

I thought Eileen and Eric had mad chemistry and he was better with her, because I've never considered him a strong actor (but he's been doing great work lately as paranoid ugly Brady) but I had issues because of Kristen's history with J&M, his (Brady's) lack of respect for that, his reaction when Eric was raped, the fact that Kristen played mommy to Brady (and last I checked Jennifer never played mommy to Eric so the age difference doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I understand where everyone else is coming from and why it feels weird to them, it did initially but I think Missy and Greg look similar in ages and work well together so I don't care she was a teenager when he was born), the fact that he's selfish, throws tantrums when life doesn't go his way ... etc. I much prefer Brady as he the mess he is now compared to romantic hero who's blinded by the women he's with. I'm all for Brady snorting lines and getting hammered again too. He's much more interesting and in some ways more rootable, though it's going to take a long time before I root for Brady (although I rarely did to begin with, at least with Martsolf in the role).
Edited by KMan101, Oct 15 2017, 09:31 AM.
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I have no desire to see Chad with Ciara, but I think lysie is right. Chad sleeping with Ciara after Abby's "death" could have been written off as crazy with grief. He could have spiraled a bit, then realized he needed to be better for Thomas. And, with a competent actress, it could have been a good story for Ciara if she didn't understand Chad's change of heart, was a bit obsessed, etc.

All of that would have been less damaging to Chad then the "Gabi is my true love, oh wait she's not" storyline that we got instead. It made Chad look like a wishy-washy asshat who only wanted the woman he couldn't have at any particular point in time. So yeah, standing up for your character is always a double-edge sword.
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KarmicScales
Oct 14 2017, 10:04 PM
OMG Kassie DePaiva is finally appearing as Eve again very soon!!!! I'm so happy. I pray Eve's porn music is returning with her.
I have a feeling Eve will be returning because she hears about Will's resurrection. I'd love to see a scene where Eve finds Dr. Rolf and pleads with him that maybe he saved her Paige as well. When she learns he didn't, she'll be devastated. I really hope they play this beat. KDP is just so damn good!
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Renee Dimera
Oct 15 2017, 09:43 AM
KarmicScales
Oct 14 2017, 10:04 PM
OMG Kassie DePaiva is finally appearing as Eve again very soon!!!! I'm so happy. I pray Eve's porn music is returning with her.
I have a feeling Eve will be returning because she hears about Will's resurrection. I'd love to see a scene where Eve finds Dr. Rolf and pleads with him that maybe he saved her Paige as well. When she learns he didn't, she'll be devastated. I really hope they play this beat. KDP is just so damn good!
I am wondering if Eve doesn't encounter drunk Brady or drunk Eric when she returns to Salem.
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Lifetime943
Oct 15 2017, 07:55 AM
lysie
Oct 14 2017, 10:54 PM
Tammy
Oct 14 2017, 10:36 PM
For some reason I could tolerate Jennifer & Eric more than I could Kristen & Brady... and I'm not sure why because I really didn't like either couple.

Whenever I saw Kristen & Brady together all I could hear in my head was Brady's toddler voice saying "Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
Yeah. That takes things to a whole other level.

I got frustrated with them because Eileen and Eric seemed to think issues with them were based in sexism, and uh...no. Based on him calling her "mommy." Thanks.
I have more of an issue about Brady & the writers totally ignoring the fact that Marlena is his mother, that Isabella died when he was months old & he never knew her. That he called Marlena mom, that even after KL's Brady addressed his anger issues with Marlena it was a big deal that he once again wanted to call Marlena mom & did. I also didn't care that Brady was having sex with his ex step-mother, it was more about who. I hated how he would consider being with a woman that caused him so much pain & his family. I hated how horrible he was to John & Marlena during the storyline also.

This is my biggest issue with EM's Brady, his charcter Brady gets enraged and angry with no actual acceptable charcter motivation. Then the actor goes out and pimps his storyline with zero understanding about what is going on. Example: Kristen drugged and rapped Eric, because of her actions he lost his priesthood. Yet, in interviews or in current scenes the actor & Brady seem to have zero understanding about this. I know the writers are the writers, but how is it that BF can advocate for his charcter (going to TPTB and expressing concern about sleeping with Ciara) and EM who has been on the show longer, is senior to BF cannot express some type of investment in the integrity of the charcter & storyline.

For me the outrage about Brady & Kristen, wasn't age, wasn't that she was someone he called mommy, it was the horrible disrespect Brady showed John & Marlena (as did the writers) .
I agree that Brady should call Marlena mom but completely disagree on everything else.
The less actors interfere with the writing the better. GH fans know what it means to have actors like AG or MB. IMO actors have to act and let writers do their job.
Speaking of EM in particular I can't remember an interview in which EM had no idea of what happened to Eric. But if he was talking from Brady's perspective it is totally plausible to me that the character may be in denial of what Kristen actually did. Characters aren't objective, they have flaws, make horrible choices etc. Heck, people in real life aren't objective. Why would an actor go complain that his character isn't perfect? I personally don't get it. Baddies, gray characters are more interesting and more fun to play. As a viewer I also wouldn't want to watch a show with all these perfect heroes and heroines doing everything in a right way, couples without any controversy etc.
Edited by thepadange, Oct 15 2017, 01:25 PM.
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lifewithrox
Oct 14 2017, 10:26 AM
Hope is a grandma, older than Sami, and now she's with Sami's ex.

Kate is a great-grandmother and she was with Sami's ex.

I don't get why JenEric bothers people.

If I let the fubarred SORASING or DE-SORASING guide my liking of couples or stories, all of it would fall apart pretty much.
All of that stuff you mentioned bothers me because of the deep history of all of the characters on the show - nothing to do with age differences, per se.
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lifewithrox
Oct 14 2017, 02:34 PM
AND Eric's twin is a grandmother so why him dating a grandmother is an issue, I don't know?
I don't have an issue with Eric dating an older woman. My issue with Jen and Eric is that they have no romantic chemistry whatsoever.
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esp13
Oct 14 2017, 10:36 AM
Lifetime943
Oct 14 2017, 10:05 AM
esp13
Oct 14 2017, 09:49 AM

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Let's say that Jennifer was 16-17 when Eric was 7, so currently Jennifer is 9 or 10yrs older than Eric. She could be as little as 5-6yrs older or as much as 10-12yrs older, depending on how you want to see things. Even if Jennifer is currently 12 years older than Eric, it's still not a big deal. It is not out of the realm of belief that an older woman could or would have a relationship with a man 10yrs younger. My sister is married to a man 9yrs younger than she & my other sister is married to a man who is 7yrs older than she is. I don't know what age Eric or Jennifer actually as currently supposed to be on the show, but given that they at least have to range from late 30's thru early 50's, I don't think it's an issue. If Eric is 35 & Jennifer 45, or Eric is 40 & Jennifer 50, or Eric is 45 & Jennifer is 55. None of these differences are extreme and if they are only supposed to be 5-6yrs apart the gap narrows.

I babysat for 7-10yr olds when I was 15yrs old... Today I am 47, one of the kids is a a 42yr old and the other is a 37. I see them as adults, you actually joke about the fact that I was once their babysitter.

Reverse sexism is a thing. It's the norm in society for a man to be 10 yrs older than a woman and for not a person to bat an eye, but when a women is older people get all bent out of shape about it. Maybe it's because teenage boys don't usually babysit.
Again, it's not about their age difference now. If Jen and Eric were strangers, I wouldn't care that Jen was 5-10 years older than him. In fact, I don't particularly care as it is. But, when you saw a teenager with a baby Eric, it's a bit disconcerting for some people to see them as a romantic couple now.
Maybe its because I didnt see it. But the fact is Eric isnt a baby anymore and Jennifer isnt a teen anymore. So Eric is 40 or so and Jennifer is early 50s or so. I dont get the big deal. In fact I think the best time to grasp the age difference is to take things from when Eric and Sami were first aged. About 1993 right? They were 16 I believe. How old was Jennifer then? 20s I believe? So at most there's a ten year difference.
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lysie
Oct 15 2017, 08:03 AM
Lifetime943
Oct 15 2017, 07:55 AM
lysie
Oct 14 2017, 10:54 PM

Quoting limited to 3 levels deep"Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"
I have more of an issue about Brady & the writers totally ignoring the fact that Marlena is his mother, that Isabella died when he was months old & he never knew her. That he called Marlena mom, that even after KL's Brady addressed his anger issues with Marlena it was a big deal that he once again wanted to call Marlena mom & did. I also didn't care that Brady was having sex with his ex step-mother, it was more about who. I hated how he would consider being with a woman that caused him so much pain & his family. I hated how horrible he was to John & Marlena during the storyline also.

This is my biggest issue with EM's Brady, his charcter Brady gets enraged and angry with no actual acceptable charcter motivation. Then the actor goes out and pimps his storyline with zero understanding about what is going on. Example: Kristen drugged and rapped Eric, because of her actions he lost his priesthood. Yet, in interviews or in current scenes the actor & Brady seem to have zero understanding about this. I know the writers are the writers, but how is it that BF can advocate for his charcter (going to TPTB and expressing concern about sleeping with Ciara) and EM who has been on the show longer, is senior to BF cannot express some type of investment in the integrity of the charcter & storyline.

For me the outrage about Brady & Kristen, wasn't age, wasn't that she was someone he called mommy, it was the horrible disrespect Brady showed John & Marlena (as did the writers) .
While they didn’t do a great job with that story at all, they did at least acknowledge that Brady being with Kristen was horrifying for J&M. They didn’t acknowledge his previous relationship with Kristen at all.

I don’t think Billy did himself any favors “speaking up” for his character. What was planned would have salvaged the character more than what came.
My sweet and smart Chloe acknowledged that Kristen was once a "mother figure" to Brady :)
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Tammy
Oct 14 2017, 10:36 PM
For some reason I could tolerate Jennifer & Eric more than I could Kristen & Brady... and I'm not sure why because I really didn't like either couple.

Whenever I saw Kristen & Brady together all I could hear in my head was Brady's toddler voice saying "Daddy said Kristen is my Mommy now!"

I always saw Eric and Jennifer as a half-generation apart, whereas Brady and Kristen were a full generation apart. Also, the Brady/Kristen pairing was meant to be provocative and outrageous. Eric/Jennifer had some issues regarding the substance abuse issue, but it would have been a stretch to make them as controversial as Brady/Kristen. In either case I don't think the age difference is a non-starter as long as the characters inside and outside of the couple react to the age difference in a believable way. As to the provocative factor, you can compare Brady/Kristen a bit to JJ/Eve in that the whole scandal was supposed to lie in the younger guy sleeping with his parent(s)' arch rival. But Brady and JJ were motivated differently and were given different knowledge bases of the past history, so that also affects how they were received, I think.

Ciara/Chad would have been way better than Gabi/Chad from a Chabby perspective. Chad sleeping with Ciara has Big Mistake written all over it. Now instead, Chad's protestations of love are next to meaningless, so who even cares that he and Abby got married? (This is the way my Chabby love died, not with a bang but a whimper.)
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I'm game for a Jen/Eric/Chloe triangle. I think he and Chloe def have chemistry.

I would like to see Eric as a father too - but no one says he can't do that AND date Jennifer.
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I genuinely thought-- silly me-- that when Eric and Nicole both hit 40-ish without kids, they'd get a miracle baby or three to put them back on the course they'd veered off of 20 years before. It would have been an immensely satisfying payoff. I still resent that Holy Holly Jonas showed up instead.

Now I suppose Eric's only realistic hope of fatherhood is of the long-lost variety. But I find the idea of that happening while Eric is with Jennifer rather dull. Jennifer already did that somewhat with Dan's kids, and Jennifer is such a good-solid-stable person with her own beloved grown kids that she'd be nothing but kind and supportive in an uncomplicated way. If Eric were going to be with a slightly older woman when Little Long Lost shows up, I'd actually find it more interesting if that woman were Eve, who lost her only child and who has a different, grayer outlook on life.

I truly don't dislike Jeneric. I've just never been able to see them as something that leads either character on a real journey.
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I like JenEric. A lot. I think they have chemistry and bring out interesting sides of each other. I don’t think they have an ounce of long term story potential. They did a year ago, but not now. I’ll enjoy them in the interim but I hope they figure out something bigger for both.
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clubkylie
Oct 15 2017, 02:38 PM
I'm game for a Jen/Eric/Chloe triangle. I think he and Chloe def have chemistry.

I would like to see Eric as a father too - but no one says he can't do that AND date Jennifer.
I would like to see Eric attempt to be a daddy to JJ. They can drink together, watch sports, workout shirtless, shower together, really create a nice bond.
Edited by Michael Goldberg, Oct 15 2017, 04:40 PM.
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If they pick up JenEric I think they should play out their age/life stage differences in their storyline. They are really good together, they bring out good things in each other, make each other happy and energized, etc. But Jennifer is starting her career back up after being a mom first and foremost for 20 years, she has already done dirty diapers and sleepless nights and scoping out schools and all that, she is ready to be the reporter she dreamed of being at 18. That doesn't necessary jive with where Eric sees himself if/when the relationship gets serious (which shouldn't happen for a good number of months at best). Sometimes things don't work out and it's through no fault of either party and it doesn't mean that the feelings weren't real. Just shows that other things outside of love and affection have to line up too. I know that we all look for that True Love Conquers All thing in our soaps, but I don't really see Jennifer and Eric as that type of couple, and realistically love doesn't always weather everything, like demanding careers or death of a child or addictions or what have you.

I don't think Jennifer/Eric would be the first coupling of two good people who don't have much internal conflict. You can go through this show's history and find Good Guy + Good Girl overcoming purely external obstacles at the highest level of popularity. But it would take a perfect storm of external obstacles to lift the pairing up to really stellar heights, and at that point you have to weigh it against the other story options for either/or.

Personally I have liked Eric and Chloe's scenes together, and I know people consider them both suitably beautiful so there's that.
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