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Oct 19 2017, 06:31 PM
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Everyone knows who Bonnie is(Victor, Maggie, Justin) they just playing dumb, though it shouldn't be difficult for Maggie and Victor to do. I don't think they know it's Bonnie. If they did, they'd be getting Adrienne out of prison. I think they just know it's something.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:34 PM
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The Bonnie/Victor/Justin/ Maggie stuff was awful to me. It seemed like they were acting out a play or something. I don't know how to describe it. It would make sense if Justin and Maggie and Victor were just acting out to fool Bonnie. I ff through Claire and Theo. The Steve and Hattie scenes were okay. Sami kissing Chad didn't seem to even make sense.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:38 PM
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The difference with Farah and Marci is that at least FF had onscreen presence - good or bad. Even as a Farah/Mimi fan, I can agree that some of her scenes were poorly acted but she was a decent actress (in my opinion) and very expressive with her eyes. Whereas with Marci, it comes out pretty dull most of the times. I hope it changes soon because I really like Marci. Do you remember the date of the scene you’re talking about? Thoughts on today’s episode: It was okay. I don’t have much to say. It’s kind of been a slow week and I think things in Salem needs to be shaken up. Too much talk and no action. Lol
I dont' remember when it was. I don't think Farah and Marci are particularly similar. I've just always remembered that line delivery, and it's how Marci delivers everything. Oh damn! I wanted to check that scene out to fully understand what you’re talking about. :blulaugh: Guess I’ll have to go and find it on my own. Thanks anyway :)
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Oct 19 2017, 06:39 PM
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I dont' remember when it was. I don't think Farah and Marci are particularly similar. I've just always remembered that line delivery, and it's how Marci delivers everything.
Oh damn! I wanted to check that scene out to fully understand what you’re talking about. :blulaugh: Guess I’ll have to go and find it on my own. Thanks anyway :) I don't remember but I think they were walking out of Phelle's loft.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:45 PM
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Oh damn! I wanted to check that scene out to fully understand what you’re talking about. :blulaugh: Guess I’ll have to go and find it on my own. Thanks anyway :)
I don't remember but I think they were walking out of Phelle's loft. Hmmm.. do you remember who she was with? Not sure which “they” you are talking about lol. Sorry if this is going out of topic. You made me curious. Lol
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Oct 19 2017, 06:45 PM
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OMG, she is still bad, she did a few scenes in one of Alison's movie series Murder She Baked, and she still can't act.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:49 PM
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Do you think that POV is still there?
You think Dena gave Kayla that voice? It felt like a rewrite to me when Kayla voiced her anger at Steve for not considering her when bringing Tripp to Salem. So Ron wrote those arguments yet he then decides to wrap it up in a couple of episodes. That's all on him. Okay. I mean. I don't think I'm being subtle. I'm not defending Ron. It's basically the opposite. I'm saying that the stuff you enjoyed did not come from him. The story was written before he came in, and he made no changes to the story. I am saying that he's not interested in S&K, and that's why this stuff got dropped, and the stuff that aired was planned before he got there. He might have added some notes to flesh out the arguments more. IDK. That actually seems kind of likely because I think he's pretty involved in reading and editing scripts (way moreso than Dena was), but the actual story wasn't altered. Since they're still there, his interests may have changed or he may have come up with something later once he got to know them.
Again, I'm not defending him. I don't even understand how it's taken as a defense (because this isn't the first time I've said this and it's been taken that way). I'm not saying it's okay. Just that it is.
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Oct 19 2017, 06:51 PM
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I don't remember but I think they were walking out of Phelle's loft.
Hmmm.. do you remember who she was with? Not sure which “they” you are talking about lol. Sorry if this is going out of topic. You made me curious. Lol I don't remember.
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Oct 19 2017, 07:11 PM
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I don't remember but I think they were walking out of Phelle's loft.
Hmmm.. do you remember who she was with? Not sure which “they” you are talking about lol. Sorry if this is going out of topic. You made me curious. Lol I searched the Days transcripts page for "I'm so excited" and "I am so excited" and Mimi, but the few instances it happened, she wasn't the one who said it. They are missing a lot of episodes in the early 2000's, however, so it's probably pre-2004 if it's not in the transcripts.
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Oct 19 2017, 07:31 PM
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Okay. I mean. I don't think I'm being subtle. I'm not defending Ron. It's basically the opposite. I'm saying that the stuff you enjoyed did not come from him. The story was written before he came in, and he made no changes to the story. I am saying that he's not interested in S&K, and that's why this stuff got dropped, and the stuff that aired was planned before he got there. He might have added some notes to flesh out the arguments more. IDK. That actually seems kind of likely because I think he's pretty involved in reading and editing scripts (way moreso than Dena was), but the actual story wasn't altered. Since they're still there, his interests may have changed or he may have come up with something later once he got to know them.
Again, I'm not defending him. I don't even understand how it's taken as a defense (because this isn't the first time I've said this and it's been taken that way). I'm not saying it's okay. Just that it is.
Whether Dena started the story and Ron finished it he needed to give us a coherent story and he didn't with the way he's handled it. That's all I'm saying
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Oct 19 2017, 07:37 PM
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Okay. I mean. I don't think I'm being subtle. I'm not defending Ron. It's basically the opposite. I'm saying that the stuff you enjoyed did not come from him. The story was written before he came in, and he made no changes to the story. I am saying that he's not interested in S&K, and that's why this stuff got dropped, and the stuff that aired was planned before he got there. He might have added some notes to flesh out the arguments more. IDK. That actually seems kind of likely because I think he's pretty involved in reading and editing scripts (way moreso than Dena was), but the actual story wasn't altered. Since they're still there, his interests may have changed or he may have come up with something later once he got to know them.
Again, I'm not defending him. I don't even understand how it's taken as a defense (because this isn't the first time I've said this and it's been taken that way). I'm not saying it's okay. Just that it is.
Whether Dena started the story and Ron finished it he needed to give us a coherent story and he didn't with the way he's handled it. That's all I'm saying I haven't disagreed with that, and nothing I am saying opposes that. I replied to something very specific in your post. It's not a defense of Ron. I'm not applauding his handling of S&K.
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Oct 19 2017, 07:55 PM
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Maybe. But his scripts had started well before the scalpel scene. Maybe that was in Dena's post-its, I don't know. But once his name went on the script, he took responsibility for it whether it was his idea, her idea, or somewhere in between. So yeah, he doesn't get a pass on it from me.
It's not about giving him a pass. That's why I said he didn't change it when he could have like he did other things. But if what's being asked is why he did this, this, and this...the answer is...he didn't. I understand what you are saying, I just disagree that because Ron didn't originally plan it that he didn't do it. Regardless of who came up with the story, when Ron didn't change it, it's the same - to me - as him choosing to write it. Because he had a clear opportunity to change the story and chose not to do so, he therefore chose to have Tripp put a scalpel to Kayla's neck and suffer no real consequences. It became Ron's decision to go down that road when he chose not to change anything. So yeah, in my opinion, he did those things, not Dena.
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Oct 19 2017, 07:56 PM
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It's not about giving him a pass. That's why I said he didn't change it when he could have like he did other things. But if what's being asked is why he did this, this, and this...the answer is...he didn't.
I understand what you are saying, I just disagree that because Ron didn't originally plan it that he didn't do it. Regardless of who came up with the story, when Ron didn't change it, it's the same - to me - as him choosing to write it. Because he had a clear opportunity to change the story and chose not to do so, he therefore chose to have Tripp put a scalpel to Kayla's neck and suffer no real consequences. It became Ron's decision to go down that road when he chose not to change anything. So yeah, in my opinion, he did those things, not Dena. I get that...I even said that lol.
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Oct 19 2017, 07:58 PM
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I understand what you are saying, I just disagree that because Ron didn't originally plan it that he didn't do it. Regardless of who came up with the story, when Ron didn't change it, it's the same - to me - as him choosing to write it. Because he had a clear opportunity to change the story and chose not to do so, he therefore chose to have Tripp put a scalpel to Kayla's neck and suffer no real consequences. It became Ron's decision to go down that road when he chose not to change anything. So yeah, in my opinion, he did those things, not Dena.
I get that...I even said that lol. Really? Because right above my post you said that it was being asked why he did certain things and you said he didn't. My whole point is that he did, even if he didn't come up with the idea originally. :)
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Oct 19 2017, 08:01 PM
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I get that...I even said that lol.
Really? Because right above my post you said that it was being asked why he did certain things and you said he didn't. My whole point is that he did, even if he didn't come up with the idea originally. :) Yes, really. I've said it multiple times.
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Oct 19 2017, 08:07 PM
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Really? Because right above my post you said that it was being asked why he did certain things and you said he didn't. My whole point is that he did, even if he didn't come up with the idea originally. :)
Yes, really. I've said it multiple times. Okay. I don't know how else to read the post I quoted, but I must have misunderstood. My bad.
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Oct 19 2017, 08:16 PM
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Yes, really. I've said it multiple times.
Okay. I don't know how else to read the post I quoted, but I must have misunderstood. My bad. I'll try one more time. It may not make a difference who wrote it if he continued it, but IMO it does answer the question of why it happened in the first place. Ron wasn't interested. It doesn't absolve him of guilt, but that's why it was going in one direction and then suddenly it changed. It was Dena's, he let it play out like it was, and then moved away from it once her part was perceived to be over. He did that because it was Dena's story and not his own. If it had been his ow, he wouldn't have dropped it in that way. I've pointed out multiple times now that he did still choose not to change it or fix it or continue it, but I was responding to why it happened that way in the first place.
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Oct 19 2017, 08:28 PM
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Okay. I don't know how else to read the post I quoted, but I must have misunderstood. My bad.
I'll try one more time. It may not make a difference who wrote it if he continued it, but IMO it does answer the question of why it happened in the first place. Ron wasn't interested. It doesn't absolve him of guilt, but that's why it was going in one direction and then suddenly it changed. It was Dena's, he let it play out like it was, and then moved away from it once her part was perceived to be over. He did that because it was Dena's story and not his own. If it had been his ow, he wouldn't have dropped it in that way. I've pointed out multiple times now that he did still choose not to change it or fix it or continue it, but I was responding to why it happened that way in the first place. I get all that (and understand your point better now) I just think we're talking past each other. You're answering the literal question of why it happened this way. Dena wrote it, Ron didn't care enough to change it. I get that. I think the original question was a bit more rhetorical. Why, if he's such a good writer, would he handle things this way? Why let things play out when he didn't want to play the fallout?
And I know you think the answer is still he just didn't care. And maybe it is. But if he really just didn't care, there were easier ways to end the story and send S&K offscreen. Which is why i still don't have a satisfying answer to my why question. :)
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Oct 19 2017, 08:34 PM
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I'll try one more time. It may not make a difference who wrote it if he continued it, but IMO it does answer the question of why it happened in the first place. Ron wasn't interested. It doesn't absolve him of guilt, but that's why it was going in one direction and then suddenly it changed. It was Dena's, he let it play out like it was, and then moved away from it once her part was perceived to be over. He did that because it was Dena's story and not his own. If it had been his ow, he wouldn't have dropped it in that way. I've pointed out multiple times now that he did still choose not to change it or fix it or continue it, but I was responding to why it happened that way in the first place.
I get all that (and understand your point better now) I just think we're talking past each other. You're answering the literal question of why it happened this way. Dena wrote it, Ron didn't care enough to change it. I get that. I think the original question was a bit more rhetorical. Why, if he's such a good writer, would he handle things this way? Why let things play out when he didn't want to play the fallout? And I know you think the answer is still he just didn't care. And maybe it is. But if he really just didn't care, there were easier ways to end the story and send S&K offscreen. Which is why i still don't have a satisfying answer to my why question. :) I don't think there is a satisfying answer. :shame:
I like some of what he's doing (this week hasn't been a shining example of that), but that doesn't mean I don't think there are lots of faults. And that story has a major one.
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As much as Bonnie frustrates me, I must admit I really enjoyed her fantasies yesterday with poor Maggie the invalid and Maggie the maid. LOL
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