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Oh I totally agree about Sami/Kate. It’s a little difficult with Sami for me right now because I thought yesterday was the most in character she’s been....but I hate that character lol.
Hahaha Same. All that was missing from the "total Sami package" yesterday was a snotty, ugly cry. (Which we got the other day w/Marlena lol) I love to hare Sami..but I really am only truly interested in her storylines when the are in an envelope with her family. I don't care about Sami & Kate, don't care about Sami & EJ, don't care about Sami with almost everyone but her family. So this Will stuff is failing because all of her scenes are to isolated. Sami with Marlena alone, Sami with Hope alone, Sami with John for a second, Sami with Eric alone, Sami with Lucas mostly alone. Sami confronting Andre alone. Oh how these scenes would work so much better is Sami was with John & Marlena for some of this. Even if Eric could get his head out of Nicole world and accompany her on some of her trips to see Andre & Rolf and keep them in line.
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I think the actions are the focus. They're related to and cross a ton of characters. Ron's stated it's an big umbrella story.
Sounds like a big snore to me. Wake me up when it's over. I'm giving it a shot. They're related to a lot of vets I like. They have to try to write for some of these youngers characters and tying it into something across the canvas like this that could also bring their older relatives in us a good start for me.
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Hahaha Same. All that was missing from the "total Sami package" yesterday was a snotty, ugly cry. (Which we got the other day w/Marlena lol)
I love to hare Sami..but I really am only truly interested in her storylines when the are in an envelope with her family. I don't care about Sami & Kate, don't care about Sami & EJ, don't care about Sami with almost everyone but her family. So this Will stuff is failing because all of her scenes are to isolated. Sami with Marlena alone, Sami with Hope alone, Sami with John for a second, Sami with Eric alone, Sami with Lucas mostly alone. Sami confronting Andre alone. Oh how these scenes would work so much better is Sami was with John & Marlena for some of this. Even if Eric could get his head out of Nicole world and accompany her on some of her trips to see Andre & Rolf and keep them in line. Sami's in four spoilers with John and Marlena for Friday-next week.
I get what you're saying but it's coming in Memphis.
They also clearly had to save some J&M episodes for that which killed some momentum
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While I like Jennifer being Jennifer...I just can't with Greg Vaughan. I've tried so hard to like him. His eyes act beter than he does. I've found him intolerably horrible in the Nicole brak-up scenes and he improved not at all while sharing scenes with Jennifer. Way over the top, WAY too mumbly...and doing that weird speech impediment thing he was doing when he first started. I just really don't see what anyone sees in him. He's really not good.
ICAM about GV/Eric. I just never like this guy.he was bad on GH and he’s bad on DAYS. I really wished I had seen Jensen playing this role instead. Maybe I could tolerate Eric more. I just don’t find GV appealing at all. He was simply awful yesterday. He comes off as a pansyass when he plays angry. Done with his weeping all the time. He's had a couple of moments...Like when fighting with Brady or whatever in the past...But the emotional stuff...He mumbles so much and his speech patterns go over the place...and it's just bad.
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Sounds like a big snore to me. Wake me up when it's over.
I'm giving it a shot. They're related to a lot of vets I like. They have to try to write for some of these youngers characters and tying it into something across the canvas like this that could also bring their older relatives in us a good start for me. We need a good adventure story that involves lots of characters like we had in the 80s/90s. Something that can be sustained over time.
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I'm giving it a shot. They're related to a lot of vets I like. They have to try to write for some of these youngers characters and tying it into something across the canvas like this that could also bring their older relatives in us a good start for me.
We need a good adventure story that involves lots of characters like we had in the 80s/90s. Something that can be sustained over time. I'm just saying we haven't seen one scene of this story yet. So I don't want to judge it as boring already
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We need a good adventure story that involves lots of characters like we had in the 80s/90s. Something that can be sustained over time.
I'm just saying we haven't seen one scene of this story yet. So I don't want to judge it as boring already I agree -- I'll remain optimistic until I have no reason to be.
I just worry that building a story around those two characters could be a real mistake -- unless their are other interesting stories going on at the same time.
But Ron hasn't shown (so far) that he's good at juggling stories.
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Sounds like a big snore to me. Wake me up when it's over.
I'm giving it a shot. They're related to a lot of vets I like. They have to try to write for some of these youngers characters and tying it into something across the canvas like this that could also bring their older relatives in us a good start for me. I'm also giving it a chance because I think it may be topical/relevant to current events. I'll probably end up hating how they handle 85% of it, but at least Days may try to tell a story that hasn't been told 500 times already.
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I'm just saying we haven't seen one scene of this story yet. So I don't want to judge it as boring already
I agree -- I'll remain optimistic until I have no reason to be. I just worry that building a story around those two characters could be a real mistake -- unless their are other interesting stories going on at the same time. But Ron hasn't shown (so far) that he's good at juggling stories. Yea I don't even know if Theo will be a big factor if he's shot and then written out. So I bet there's other factors at play. But there's potential drama for Jen and Hope and Abe and a load of other people too. Ron made it sound like people 'take sides' which could be interesting given some long term friendships/family ties.
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I love to hare Sami..but I really am only truly interested in her storylines when the are in an envelope with her family. I don't care about Sami & Kate, don't care about Sami & EJ, don't care about Sami with almost everyone but her family. So this Will stuff is failing because all of her scenes are to isolated. Sami with Marlena alone, Sami with Hope alone, Sami with John for a second, Sami with Eric alone, Sami with Lucas mostly alone. Sami confronting Andre alone. Oh how these scenes would work so much better is Sami was with John & Marlena for some of this. Even if Eric could get his head out of Nicole world and accompany her on some of her trips to see Andre & Rolf and keep them in line.
Sami's in four spoilers with John and Marlena for Friday-next week. I get what you're saying but it's coming in Memphis. They also clearly had to save some J&M episodes for that which killed some momentum I really Hope that the Memphis stuff plays out as it is hinted, I really hope that they don't chop everything up. Like having Sami & Lucas in one hotel room, Marlena in John in some lobby, Sonny, Adrienne & Justin in another room and Paul independently finding Will. I really need for John, Marlena and Sami to share scenes while this is going down.
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I agree -- I'll remain optimistic until I have no reason to be. I just worry that building a story around those two characters could be a real mistake -- unless their are other interesting stories going on at the same time. But Ron hasn't shown (so far) that he's good at juggling stories.
Yea I don't even know if Theo will be a big factor if he's shot and then written out. So I bet there's other factors at play. But there's potential drama for Jen and Hope and Abe and a load of other people too. Ron made it sound like people 'take sides' which could be interesting given some long term friendships/family ties. Right off the bat the storyline is going to be far fetched, almost as far fetched as Abe confronting JJ last summer and saying he was no good for Lani (the daughter he hardly knows or spends airtime with). Abe is an ex cop, ex police commissioner and someone who has not always done the right thing when it came to being an officer. I want to trust that the storyline will play out in a really multilayered pattern.... But I fear that this will be the means to have Lani be upset with JJ and sleep with Eli...causing WTD drama with an unplanned baby on the way.
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Sami's in four spoilers with John and Marlena for Friday-next week. I get what you're saying but it's coming in Memphis. They also clearly had to save some J&M episodes for that which killed some momentum
I really Hope that the Memphis stuff plays out as it is hinted, I really hope that they don't chop everything up. Like having Sami & Lucas in one hotel room, Marlena in John in some lobby, Sonny, Adrienne & Justin in another room and Paul independently finding Will. I really need for John, Marlena and Sami to share scenes while this is going down. Well the spoilers specifically list them together for Friday, Monday and Thursday and Friday so it looks like they will be. Thursday and Friday J&M and Sami seem isolated with what has to be whoever Eileen is playing and I can't wait
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Yea I don't even know if Theo will be a big factor if he's shot and then written out. So I bet there's other factors at play. But there's potential drama for Jen and Hope and Abe and a load of other people too. Ron made it sound like people 'take sides' which could be interesting given some long term friendships/family ties.
Right off the bat the storyline is going to be far fetched, almost as far fetched as Abe confronting JJ last summer and saying he was no good for Lani (the daughter he hardly knows or spends airtime with). Abe is an ex cop, ex police commissioner and someone who has not always done the right thing when it came to being an officer. I want to trust that the storyline will play out in a really multilayered pattern.... But I fear that this will be the means to have Lani be upset with JJ and sleep with Eli...causing WTD drama with an unplanned baby on the way. You think a cop shooting a black man is far fetched? It's in the news daily.
Other things may happen around it that are absurd but at its core it's as realistic a premise as they've had in years.
Editing to add also assuming JJ shoots Theo accidentally
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Yea I don't even know if Theo will be a big factor if he's shot and then written out. So I bet there's other factors at play. But there's potential drama for Jen and Hope and Abe and a load of other people too. Ron made it sound like people 'take sides' which could be interesting given some long term friendships/family ties.
Right off the bat the storyline is going to be far fetched, almost as far fetched as Abe confronting JJ last summer and saying he was no good for Lani (the daughter he hardly knows or spends airtime with). Abe is an ex cop, ex police commissioner and someone who has not always done the right thing when it came to being an officer. I want to trust that the storyline will play out in a really multilayered pattern.... But I fear that this will be the means to have Lani be upset with JJ and sleep with Eli...causing WTD drama with an unplanned baby on the way. What is far fetched about anything we've heard about this story? And Abe being a jerk about JJ was weird, but not exactly far fetched.
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Right off the bat the storyline is going to be far fetched, almost as far fetched as Abe confronting JJ last summer and saying he was no good for Lani (the daughter he hardly knows or spends airtime with). Abe is an ex cop, ex police commissioner and someone who has not always done the right thing when it came to being an officer. I want to trust that the storyline will play out in a really multilayered pattern.... But I fear that this will be the means to have Lani be upset with JJ and sleep with Eli...causing WTD drama with an unplanned baby on the way.
What is far fetched about anything we've heard about this story? And Abe being a jerk about JJ was weird, but not exactly far fetched. I feels as if he is attempting to sensationalize a situation that is not a normal topic on Days. Sure this happens in our country, it just doesn't feel right on Days...
The Salem PD has lots of Black members & JJ knows Theo and Theo is not a criminal. While JJ may be dealing with a temper, his actions have pretty much been directly fully on a person who hurt somebody he loved. BEn is a serial killer, who killed JJ's girlfriend, his cousin and kidnapped his sister. Prior to Ben, JJ has only shown aggressive behavior toward Snake (who drugged Lani) as an officer and his desire to take Deimo's down. I am ok with the storyline if there is a setup in which Salem has been swamped with crime suddenly and somehow the storyline shows Africian Americans are being targeted or accused of all the criminal behavior in Salem..
But for me Salem has always been a place in which color has not been a focus of storyline for a really long time. Abe, Lexi, & Theo have all been part of the town fabric. There was never a racial pause hooking up JJ with Lani, them being of different races was never even acknowledged. Ditto for Claire & Theo or Ciara & Theo. Same for Jennifer running Abe's campaign or Abe & Hope and dealing with their children dating. Even as Eli was discovered to be a Horton, not once was his being accepted into the Horton's and being a different race an issue. Sure Julie explained the history of her Son David and how being with a black woman back then wasn't as acceptable as today. But there has been nothing to ever point out race mattered to this family.
So if JJ accidently shoots Theo because it's dark or he has gone off the deep end emotionally than I will be interested. But if JJ Horton is thought to be racially profiling someone and hinted toward that then I will be bothered. Because JJ Horton is not a racist and has never been hinted toward being one. So if suddenly Abe or somebody is going to accuse JJ of shooting Theo because he is black, that is going to piss me off. Find another newbie charcter to use in this storyline.
I am ok with the focus just being about irresponsible actions on JJ's part or guilt because somebody he cares for was in the wrong place at the wrong time & got caught in a crossfire. How his actions hurt people he cares about & not being able to forgive himself...
But I am not interested in watching JJ Horton put a bullet in Theo because somehow he didn't know it was him and he just assumed he was some Africcan American who had done something bad.
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What is far fetched about anything we've heard about this story? And Abe being a jerk about JJ was weird, but not exactly far fetched.
I feels as if he is attempting to sensationalize a situation that is not a normal topic on Days. Sure this happens in our country, it just doesn't feel right on Days... The Salem PD has lots of Black members & JJ knows Theo and Theo is not a criminal. While JJ may be dealing with a temper, his actions have pretty much been directly fully on a person who hurt somebody he loved. BEn is a serial killer, who killed JJ's girlfriend, his cousin and kidnapped his sister. Prior to Ben, JJ has only shown aggressive behavior toward Snake (who drugged Lani) as an officer and his desire to take Deimo's down. I am ok with the storyline if there is a setup in which Salem has been swamped with crime suddenly and somehow the storyline shows Africian Americans are being targeted or accused of all the criminal behavior in Salem.. But for me Salem has always been a place in which color has not been a focus of storyline for a really long time. Abe, Lexi, & Theo have all been part of the town fabric. There was never a racial pause hooking up JJ with Lani, them being of different races was never even acknowledged. Ditto for Claire & Theo or Ciara & Theo. Same for Jennifer running Abe's campaign or Abe & Hope and dealing with their children dating. Even as Eli was discovered to be a Horton, not once was his being accepted into the Horton's and being a different race an issue. Sure Julie explained the history of her Son David and how being with a black woman back then wasn't as acceptable as today. But there has been nothing to ever point out race mattered to this family. So if JJ accidently shoots Theo because it's dark or he has gone off the deep end emotionally than I will be interested. But if JJ Horton is thought to be racially profiling someone and hinted toward that then I will be bothered. Because JJ Horton is not a racist and has never been hinted toward being one. So if suddenly Abe or somebody is going to accuse JJ of shooting Theo because he is black, that is going to piss me off. Find another newbie charcter to use in this storyline. I am ok with the focus just being about irresponsible actions on JJ's part or guilt because somebody he cares for was in the wrong place at the wrong time & got caught in a crossfire. How his actions hurt people he cares about & not being able to forgive himself... But I am not interested in watching JJ Horton put a bullet in Theo because somehow he didn't know it was him and he just assumed he was some Africcan American who had done something bad. We have no idea what the circumstances are regarding the story. But I think your post is a good example of why this story could be important and eye opening for some viewers if done correctly.
That said, I don't have high hopes in terms of the writers exploring implicit bias.
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I feels as if he is attempting to sensationalize a situation that is not a normal topic on Days. Sure this happens in our country, it just doesn't feel right on Days... The Salem PD has lots of Black members & JJ knows Theo and Theo is not a criminal. While JJ may be dealing with a temper, his actions have pretty much been directly fully on a person who hurt somebody he loved. BEn is a serial killer, who killed JJ's girlfriend, his cousin and kidnapped his sister. Prior to Ben, JJ has only shown aggressive behavior toward Snake (who drugged Lani) as an officer and his desire to take Deimo's down. I am ok with the storyline if there is a setup in which Salem has been swamped with crime suddenly and somehow the storyline shows Africian Americans are being targeted or accused of all the criminal behavior in Salem.. But for me Salem has always been a place in which color has not been a focus of storyline for a really long time. Abe, Lexi, & Theo have all been part of the town fabric. There was never a racial pause hooking up JJ with Lani, them being of different races was never even acknowledged. Ditto for Claire & Theo or Ciara & Theo. Same for Jennifer running Abe's campaign or Abe & Hope and dealing with their children dating. Even as Eli was discovered to be a Horton, not once was his being accepted into the Horton's and being a different race an issue. Sure Julie explained the history of her Son David and how being with a black woman back then wasn't as acceptable as today. But there has been nothing to ever point out race mattered to this family. So if JJ accidently shoots Theo because it's dark or he has gone off the deep end emotionally than I will be interested. But if JJ Horton is thought to be racially profiling someone and hinted toward that then I will be bothered. Because JJ Horton is not a racist and has never been hinted toward being one. So if suddenly Abe or somebody is going to accuse JJ of shooting Theo because he is black, that is going to piss me off. Find another newbie charcter to use in this storyline. I am ok with the focus just being about irresponsible actions on JJ's part or guilt because somebody he cares for was in the wrong place at the wrong time & got caught in a crossfire. How his actions hurt people he cares about & not being able to forgive himself... But I am not interested in watching JJ Horton put a bullet in Theo because somehow he didn't know it was him and he just assumed he was some Africcan American who had done something bad.
We have no idea what the circumstances are regarding the story. But I think your post is a good example of why this story could be important and eye opening for some viewers if done correctly. That said, I don't have high hopes in terms of the writers exploring implicit bias. I suppose it's all matter of likes & dislikes. There is just so much of this type of storyline on the news, in the papers & currently part of most TV shows that air. I just want to escape from life and watch a soap. I would rather see the Horton's and Carvers up in arms about some crazy over the hop storyline than a current social issue. I love that Will was Gay & I loved his coming out storyline.... But right now what I love more is that Paul/Sonny & Will have a triangle, husband back from the dead storyline and being gay is never mentioned because it's fully accepted and really the focus is on the family and the charcters and not the fact that they are gay. For me acceptable is seeing acceptable. I prefer to see the Carvers and the Horton's exist in Salem as they are, in a place that race really has no place. That the charcters are who they are and their color never matters. Where Julie loves Eli as much as she can anyone & his skin color has not been considered. Where JJ can fall in love with a Latino Gabi at one point and now Lani a woman of another color and they are written no different than Abby & Chad loving one another. If there is a triangle between Theo/Claire& Trip it's about who they are and not what color they are. I just happen to enjoy this about Days.
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I refuse to watch Eric until he stops sniveling over Nicole. I think I'd be down for JenEric down the road though.
As I see it, the show has one of two options in terms of making Andre work. Either A) He's actually Tony or B) He's Andre, who is playing everyone for a fool and has some evil mastermind plan to destroy the lives of everyone in Salem. Because what's happening right now, isn't working. It would be fine if he was Tony... but it's completely OOC for Andre.
The wedding scenes were GREAT today. However, like I've said before, there are too many holes in this story and too many things unexplained. I'm guessing they'll be explained tomorrow, but they should have been explained before the story started, not after it finished.
I remember in 2008 Rolf was running around the DiMera mansion babysitting and giving Sami advice on life. I'm SO glad Ron has completely ignored that like it never happened, because it was ridiculous lol. I love seeing Rolf on my screen again! Talk about nostalgia. The story is Andre is trying to become a better person. So its not OOC as much as it is maybe the story you dont like. Its not like he hasnt been called out by most people for being evil. But he has done alot of good since coming back to Salem as well. I like Andre, of course I didnt see him back in the day. Also, the problem with turning him back into a criminal mastermind who destroys lives is that I wouldnt buy that either with everything weve shown over the last 2 years.
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Oct 24 2017, 04:34 PM
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I refuse to watch Eric until he stops sniveling over Nicole. I think I'd be down for JenEric down the road though.
As I see it, the show has one of two options in terms of making Andre work. Either A) He's actually Tony or B) He's Andre, who is playing everyone for a fool and has some evil mastermind plan to destroy the lives of everyone in Salem. Because what's happening right now, isn't working. It would be fine if he was Tony... but it's completely OOC for Andre.
The wedding scenes were GREAT today. However, like I've said before, there are too many holes in this story and too many things unexplained. I'm guessing they'll be explained tomorrow, but they should have been explained before the story started, not after it finished.
I remember in 2008 Rolf was running around the DiMera mansion babysitting and giving Sami advice on life. I'm SO glad Ron has completely ignored that like it never happened, because it was ridiculous lol. I love seeing Rolf on my screen again! Talk about nostalgia.
The story is Andre is trying to become a better person. So its not OOC as much as it is maybe the story you dont like. Its not like he hasnt been called out by most people for being evil. But he has done alot of good since coming back to Salem as well. I like Andre, of course I didnt see him back in the day. Also, the problem with turning him back into a criminal mastermind who destroys lives is that I wouldnt buy that either with everything weve shown over the last 2 years. Since he returned, he brainwashed Chad, kidnapped Sami, threatened Aiden, held Aiden captive, blew up a basement with Rafe and Hope in it... so I don't think they are trying to show Andre changing into a good person. He's a serial killer.
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Oct 24 2017, 04:56 PM
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I refuse to watch Eric until he stops sniveling over Nicole. I think I'd be down for JenEric down the road though.
As I see it, the show has one of two options in terms of making Andre work. Either A) He's actually Tony or B) He's Andre, who is playing everyone for a fool and has some evil mastermind plan to destroy the lives of everyone in Salem. Because what's happening right now, isn't working. It would be fine if he was Tony... but it's completely OOC for Andre.
The wedding scenes were GREAT today. However, like I've said before, there are too many holes in this story and too many things unexplained. I'm guessing they'll be explained tomorrow, but they should have been explained before the story started, not after it finished.
I remember in 2008 Rolf was running around the DiMera mansion babysitting and giving Sami advice on life. I'm SO glad Ron has completely ignored that like it never happened, because it was ridiculous lol. I love seeing Rolf on my screen again! Talk about nostalgia.
The story is Andre is trying to become a better person. So its not OOC as much as it is maybe the story you dont like. Its not like he hasnt been called out by most people for being evil. But he has done alot of good since coming back to Salem as well. I like Andre, of course I didnt see him back in the day. Also, the problem with turning him back into a criminal mastermind who destroys lives is that I wouldnt buy that either with everything weve shown over the last 2 years.
Since he returned, he brainwashed Chad, kidnapped Sami, threatened Aiden, held Aiden captive, blew up a basement with Rafe and Hope in it... so I don't think they are trying to show Andre changing into a good person. He's a serial killer. That all happened when he first returned. After Stefano died, and Hope framed him, Andre has been shown to be trying to change.
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