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DAYS DISCUSSION this week..; Random Talk for the Wk of the Uh..20th?!
Topic Started: Aug 22 2007, 05:42 PM (3,316 Views)
DrewHamilton
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I did notice how there are now SFX in the day ahead previews anymore. That's a good thing and a nice step in the right direction
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Thanks Drew.

Forgot to mention that too. It's weird that no one noticed the changes today. I mean, I felt they were noticeable.
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Aug 25 2007, 01:22 AM
Wow...no one noticed the totally different feel to today's show? The execution was better, the scenes were well put together, the music was different in spots (especially in one of the Chelsea/Nick scenes) and the camera angles were different. For example, in one of Stefano's scenes, the camera panned around slowly from Lexie and Benji entering over to Stefano as he and EJ talked. Something similar happened with Sami/Lucas/Kate. I even noticed changes in Thursday's show as the look of the Santeen flashbacks had changed. They no longer looked any different then the normal scenes. The lighting was different.

The writing today was superb too. That Chelsea/Nick scene finally cleared the air as to the issues they have. Good, character-driven scenes. We got the same with Sami/Lucas/kate. Simple, nice scenes with LUMI and very good scenes with Lucas/Kate over the Stefano issue.

The Dimera stuff was superb. Tony's snide comments were a highlight, as was Lexie vs Stefano, which IMO explained very well why she and her father had no interacted. I know it had more to do with JR but it was needed to explain all that IMO. EJ talking about his father and his scenes with Stefano were great. JM showed so much humanity. Brilliance. Even the little Sami/EJ scene had something different to it. It had DIRECTION. Everything today was cohesive.

The ending with the fadeout, music, and classic Stefano laughing was amazing. Ed may not have been credited but I think he influenced today alot. Very, very good. I guess people must have just not watched, FFed alot, or maybe it's some other reason. I can't believe no one else commented on this.

I listened to the first 20 min.; watched the last 40.

LOVED, LOVED, LOVED -- more than anything -- the Chick scenes. They are ON again! (As in, "hot," "hip," "sexy," "angsty." I just LOVE them having relationship woes like this. It doesn't hurt that camera angles, the direction and the AMAZING performances from two BRILLIANT performers were cherries on top, but the writing was TOP-NOTCH. Maybe the best Chick scenes yet! Although, I will say this: what'shisface (seriously, temporarily forgot his name! :o), in the second to last segment, looked a little TOO "I'm about to start a shoot-out at the Brady pub." He almost looked deranged or something. It was scary!
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Aug 25 2007, 01:30 AM
Thanks Drew.

Forgot to mention that too. It's weird that no one noticed the changes today. I mean, I felt they were noticeable.

lol, Tim (see what I did there?! I remembered!!) -- I noticed it in Chick but that's all! Darn. But after hearing yours and Drew's comments I am PUMPED to watch the show again and see if I can spot other nice changes.
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JERSoapsFan
Aug 25 2007, 01:45 AM
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Aug 25 2007, 01:30 AM
Thanks Drew.

Forgot to mention that too.  It's weird that no one noticed the changes today.  I mean, I felt they were noticeable.

lol, Tim (see what I did there?! I remembered!!) -- I noticed it in Chick but that's all! Darn. But after hearing yours and Drew's comments I am PUMPED to watch the show again and see if I can spot other nice changes.

I think you will be better able to the second time, JSF.

Pay special attention to the camera angles in some of the Stefano scenes and the Sami/Lucas/Kate scenes. Also, in the second half of the show, new music was used for one of the Chick scenes. The execution of all the scenes and the show has a whole was better. More together and cohesive. Today was all around good writing and classic soap. Best all around episode in weeks, if not since last Fall in terms of quality all around. The last scene with Stefano was also done with a slow zoom out, which was unique IMO.

Oh, and, just for kicks, if anyone is really interested, go back and watch the Santeen scenes from before Thursday and compare them with Thursday's. The lighting and look of the Santeen stuff was different Thursday.
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I noticed the pans, which rocked! They were very Y&R-esque.

I would say Ed Scott has officially arrived.
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King
Aug 25 2007, 02:03 AM
I noticed the pans, which rocked! They were very Y&R-esque.

I would say Ed Scott has officially arrived.

THANK GOD!!

I thought it was just me. Ed didn't get credited but you could tell a ton of effort was put into today. The acting, writing, everything. It all felt amped up IMO.
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I thought it was just me. Ed didn't get credited but you could tell a ton of effort was put into today. The acting, writing, everything. It all felt amped up IMO.


I definitely think he's here in these episodes too.

The Santeen special effecty flashbacky haze wasn't there yesterday (Thursday) either!
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Aug 25 2007, 02:13 AM
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I thought it was just me. Ed didn't get credited but you could tell a ton of effort was put into today. The acting, writing, everything. It all felt amped up IMO.


I definitely think he's here in these episodes too.

The Santeen special effecty flashbacky haze wasn't there yesterday (Thursday) either!

Yep. I noticed that too and took that as a sign but the rest of yesterday was still choppy. Today felt totally different.
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You can also tell the change in direction in the promo's too. Like Last week's with the shot of Stefano laughing - the shot from way up above. And this week, the scenes of Bo/Andre in the rain?? It's just not typical DAYS Multi-Cam Production!

I am so excited!
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Overall to me it was an up and down week. I am bored senseless by Shelle and not even Philip can make them interesting. When MM and JKJ have scenes they are usually quite good, but add in BB and any sizzle just oozes down the drain. I like the guy but he is so monotone in his delivery and deadpan or unexpressive that I just zone out. JC was a laid back actor but he somehow was able to communicate his lust for Mimi and his love for Belle. I don't know, maybe it's just me but Shawn is the trouble w/Shelle. There was an actress, who has since been let go by AMC who had the same effect on me. She was pretty and should have hit all the right notes but she was anti-chemistry. She was so blah, I just couldn't watch her.


That is exactly how I feel about Brandon Beemer! The guy always has the same pissy look on his face (rarely smiles) and is just so blah sounding. I really wish that Jason Cook would come back. Ever since BB has been playing Shawn I haven't liked Shelle, there is NO chemistry there at all. MM has more chemistry just talking to JKJ than she does in a love scene with BB. He needs to go!

I didn't really notice the changes in today's show, but I was busy doing other things while watching the show.
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I noticed the changes in the look today and the previews too. I didn't the first time as I fast forwarded a lot but went back and looked when I didn't see the SFX in the previews which I did watch all the way through.

Ed Scott is definitely influencing the show already, which is nice. We will have a nice looking show to watch.

But I will say it again until someone addresses the big issue things are not going to get any better. You can dress up an old house with new paint but until you address the foundational problems it is still an old house.

The stories have got to quit going in circles. Plot points have got to quit being skipped. Stories involving more of the people we care about and I mean actually making the story involve and affect them. And better balance. In the previews for the next 2 weeks Sami is on 8 out of 9 days that the show airs. I didn't count EJ or Lucas but they are on a lot too. The young group gets toned down one week but the next week they are on every day again. Marlena's name is not mentioned once nor is John. Hope's is mentioned once.

Days fans sent Corday a message earlier this year. He said he listened and he made more promises. They haven't been kept - again. Hogan doesn't help things because he offers no comfort to fans because he says he is now writing what he wants to write. And obviously the only thing you can assume is this is who he wants to write for.

I am holding out hope that Scott will break his trend of not interfering with the writing, and tell Corday hey this is what needs to be done.

And please God if they are going to show Sami all the time please let them fix my Sami. I don't want the old immature Sami back but I sure want a Sami with backbone.

Until those things are fixed, I don't see what dressing it up is going to do other than make it look good and maybe put Days in the running for some technical awards at Emmy time.

But hey Y&R still looks good, nothing wrong with Y&R technically - it's their stories that stink and the execution of them. Same thing I am seeing at Days and same thing so many others are seeing too.
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Aug 25 2007, 03:06 AM
But I will say it again until someone addresses the big issue things are not going to get any better. You can dress up an old house with new paint but until you address the foundational problems it is still an old house.

I don't disagree with you, but I will take the new paint and be VERY HAPPY WITH IT. Haha.

I hope Ed Scott can sit down with Hoagie soon, if he hasn't already, to talk about creative things, fall/winter stories, pacing, balance, and other things. Hoagie needs it.
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King I will be happy with the paint too, but I still won't be happy with the stories. So I don't know if I will be watching or fast forwarding. If I'm ff'ing all the way through I miss the paint.
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Well, your right about the look of the show but that was not the only thing different yesterday. The Chick scenes yesterday made so much sense out of the last few months of going around in circles with them and Lucas/Sami/EJ had actual direction yesterday. Everything had a flow yesterday and a direction. To me, that is the biggest thing because people have been mentioning how plot points are being missed and how things are "choppy." Well, yesterday, for the first time in a long time, that feeling was gone. It was solid all the way through. If that continues, the show will be fine because it's not the stories that are bad. It's the execution.

I wouldn't go by spoilers alone if we are considering who is on in the next two weeks. Hope is definitely on more then once. As for J&M, I agree they are being sorely wasted. I know why Drake is and Dee was on a two week break but she is back now and it seems she is out of the loop again. We'll see.

I think this week and September will be telling. There were re-writes, just like there were in May, and I am thinking September will be like May in that stories will wrap and build into new ones. Hopefully, the show can carry some excitement through the whole Fall. I have heard some things that make my hopeful, even moreso then usual.
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Sorry to keep sticking the point but you keep saying that you know why Drake is not on.. Well again you do not know why Drake is not on. I wish you would quit acting like you do. And if you don't want people to get upset about it then quit saying it. Unless you work for the show and know for sure that Drake did everything you are accusing him of then you can't say that you do.

I can come on a board and say that Drake is only on because Hogan doesn't want to write for him. That doesn't make it right but it sure gets in a jab at Hogan even if it is not my intention.

I am sorry Drake possibly said something negative about your favorite show, but as of yet you have not proven to me or anyone that he did the things you said. And all the rumors you keep talking about are just that rumors.

As far as we know Drake is still the same Drake he has been portrayed to be by Christie Clark, Rhasaan Orange and others. I was just reading an article the other day where Orange praised Drake for being one of the kindest backstage to him. And how they joked around with one another.

Christie Clark always talked about how they joked around and played practical jokes on one another. She spoke of that many times in Daytime TV magazine before it disbanded.

Everything in print but that one article gives a different picture of Drake. And that one article can be interpreted in different ways. Sure some say Drake should come forward and clarify it like Mary Beth Evans did, but maybe he doesn't care anymore. Maybe it is fans like you who make it that way. He has given his all for Days for 20 years and doing everything he could do to honor it and promote it. And some fans want to believe the worst about him all of a sudden. I don't think I would be in too good of a mood and quick to respond either.

I don't know any of this and it is only speculation on my part, but I will side with caution based on 20 years of reading about Drake.

And as to people saying he is upset about being reduced to the background. Langan reduced him to the background several times for the younger set just like he did all the others during that time.

Did Drake get mad about that? No.
Did anyone say that Drake was causing trouble backstage? No.
Did Drake continue to be positive about Days? Yes.

Well if Drake is upset this time and not positive about Days. That tells me that something else is going on. Never since around 1980 have I read there was tension on the Days set. The last time was when Susan Hayes in the middle of her feud with Kaye Stevens and then some problems with Brenda Benet. Most of it was during the time that Susan's mom wrote for the show, and several of the actors/actresses complained that Susan got all the good material from her mother. Not once since then has there even been rumors. Sure Kristian had the porn guy fired, but nothing major like this.

I find it funny that only since Hogan has come aboard have we had 2 actors who have had to speak out to the press. I still am not sure that is what Drake did but will side on the side of opinion here that he did for now. But Drake who has been with the show for 21 years and Bryan who has been with the show for 14 years have both been to the press about things. Plus you add Thaao's remarks that they were now bringing in the big guns (as if he and Joe are Days only big guns).

Sound familiar folks - both Ellen Dolan and Eileen Fulton as well as a few others had to go to the press about things when Hogan was at ATWT.

I am not pro-Drake. I am pro-vet. These actors have put in their time at Days and they deserve better treatment. If Drake is upset there is more to it than him being backburnered. He didn't get upset when Langan backburnered him. He didn't get upset and go to the press last year when he was given a 2 month unexpected vacation.

If he is upset there is more going on than we know about. And given Hogan's reputation with vets, I have a feeling that is where the blame is most likely at.

I am not going to say that anyone doesn't have the right to be mad at Drake - that is not my place. If you are tired of him that is one thing. If you are tired of the character that is one thing. But to besmirk a man's reputation constantly online when it can't be proven that is wrong.

I have no problems with rumor threads and the like as I post in them all the time. That is what those are for is backstage gossip but to constantly say you know why someone is not being used. All I can say is prove it.

I can say a thousand times that Hogan is a liar but it doesn't make it true. All I can say is that I think based on the information we have that he is, but I can't say with 100% proof that he is.

At the same time for those who say that if Drake didn't mean those things then why doesn't he come forward. Well why doesn't Hogan clear up the mess he has stirred up. The last word we have from him is that this is what he wants to write. Well if it is then it answers a lot of things about what he has said before. And it makes him appear to be a liar just like to some the article makes Drake appear to be an ass.

Their both appearances but neither can be proven.
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Great post, Steve!
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I hadn't consciously noticed changes in Friday's show, but that was probably because I was interrupted several times while watching and had to keep pausing and re-starting. I do remember thinking at one time that I liked the background music but can't remember what it was. I also noticed that the Chelsea/Nick conversation was actually a productive one, and that Chelsea even acknowledged how changeable she'd been with Nick all summer. Lucas was also toned down and not screaming and/or acting like a hormonal teenager. When he's written with some intelligence, I can tolerate him (although he'll never be a favorite of mine). The episode is still on my DVR so if I have time this weekend I'll try to go back and watch it again. It was definitely the best episode of the week.
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Steve, I have my reliable sources and I am not going to post what I know on this board and get them in trouble. The least of my worries is whether you believe me or not.

Besides, even if I posted what I do know, you would probably make another long post that in some way makes you look like a know it all and me look like the typical Days fanboy/pollyanna you and others make me out to be.

Whatever. I am entitled to post what I want. All I said was I know why he isn't being featured. I didn't even mention about what I know so in no way was I even criticizing him or trashing him.

I am sick of being called out on this board just because I am being positive and hopeful. I stopped arguing with people about the show and it still doesn't help. This is a shame. A true shame.
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I could be wrong but my understanding is that Drake has been paid not to work recently because he is actually using up vacation time that he has built up over the years. It's highly possible that because of their similar taping schedules that Marlena has close to the same amount of vacation time to use up before the end of their contracts.
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