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Survivor: CHINA; Discussion Thread!
Topic Started: Sep 17 2007, 08:38 PM (4,319 Views)
King
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I don't know if I would have sat through it either, to be honest. No one knows what they would do or how they'd react until they were in the situation. We'd like to think we'd sit through it and soak up the culture and breathe it all in. We'll never know.
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Watched my first Surviver after Australian Outback! :lol: Yes, yes... it's been THAT long...

It was great!

I understand Leslie. I am a Christian and I probably wouldn't walk out in tears, but I wouldn't bow to Budha... And even though Jeff said it wasn't a warship ceremony, you were bowing down to another God. I wouldn't do it either. I can attend a ceremony to see another religion and culture, but why would I have to actively participate?!

I am glad Chicken was voted off. I couldn't understand anything he was saying. I had to concentrate so hard to understand.

I love Courtney. She is so funny! She's a total bitch, but makes it fun for me to watch! But I don't think she'll last long.

P.G. is annoying. She is trying to be a leader, yet she seems so emotionally weak. Odd combination...

The scenery was great! But I could never survive there... too much rain for me.. :lol:

The immunity challenge was AWESOME! Loved it!

Can't wait for more! :D
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Sep 21 2007, 01:23 PM
SteveFrame, I always find it interesting when people assume just because I'm Wiccan now that I know nothing about Christianity. I was raised Catholic for 18 years, became a born again Christian at 18, and a Wiccan shortly after. Being a Christian was like wearing a dress that didn't fit and was made of really bad fabric.

My interpretation of the bible is what I base my statements on. I always read the passage about Jesus and the temple one way, one that pissed off the priests, you read it yours. I read "thou shalt not have other gods before me" as the god of the Christians just wanting to be first in line.

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People outside of the Christian life condemn Christians for not having respect for their lifestyles, but yet they turn around and can't respect the Christian's lifestyle either.


I respect their lifestyles, but when they blatently don't respect others when they are willingly in their country/house, that's when I have a problem. They can pray in the middle of Time Square, that's fine. That's their freedom here. But you don't go into a Wiccan Gathering Circle or a gay bar and start preaching. You don't go to a country for a game show and disrespect the country. Respect goes both ways. It's not like I'm going to call her radio show and blast her for what she did, that's "her house." But if I saw her on the street, I'd give her what for.

Well that is damn fine for you to do so. But that doesn't make me have to like it or respect it.

And as to your first remark I get tired of you assuming that people are assume stuff about you. I never assumed that just because you are Wiccan that you know nothing about the Bible. In fact frankly I could care less whether you do or not.

Sorry to take this tone but your posts over the last few days have hit me the wrong way - not just here but in the Days threads too.

No one assumes anything about you. The girl or guy in the Days threads didn't either and you attacked him or her for no reason. It seems this is the tone you want so I can take it too.

The last I looked this is a message board and everyone is entitled to post what they want. I did not post my thoughts and opinions with you in regard. I explained what I felt and thought and based on my view point. And that is all that matters to me.

As to what you said your interprestation of the 1st Commandment is just that: YOUR INTERPRETATION. I and other Christians don't see it that way. What matters in my life and their lives is how I interpret it - NOT YOU!!!!!!!!!! I live my life for me and for my God. And I know that my bowing down to another God would not be acceptable to MY GOD.

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But you don't go into a Wiccan Gathering Circle or a gay bar and start preaching.


I don't think Leslie went into that meeting and started preaching. She never said a word. Only chose not to participate. There is a big difference. And I doubt very seriously if she would have said one word if Jeff hadn't put her on the spot.

And Mateo as to the comment about the Muslims. I never meant to make it seem that I thought all Muslims were violent - just using that as an example. I know there are those Muslim's out there that are peaceful. Unfortunately for me those are only ones I have heard about. All my first hand dealings are with the other side and that is the first thing I think of. I have friends who live in Nigeria and we write all the time. We went to college together. The husband of the couple got a job and was transferred to Nigeria. The Muslims control the area where they live and I guess the Government too. There are so many things they cannot do and all are punishable by death. They can worship as Christians but there are limits. And many times the soldiers will stand in the back of their worship service with guns just to make sure that the rules are being adhered too. He says people are put to death all the time. He knows Muslims who have converted to Christianity and just disappeared afterward. Some departed the country and got out while others were put to death unless they denounced their new Christian lifestyle. And so many others. I have nothing against the Muslims as I said - it is just the part that I know from writing to my friends and all. They love it in Nigeria even with those laws. They just know they have to abide by the rules but they continue to live their Christian lives.

Anyway I am done with this subject. I will not hijack the Survivor thread for it anymore. I will just say in closing that everyone lives their lives the way that is best for them. Leslie did what she felt was right and I won't condemn her for it. As King said none of us knows what we would do in that situation. But I respect her more than someone who wouldn't stand up for what they believed in. She showed to me what a strong person she is. The coward would have went ahead and did the ritual, but she showed to me she wasn't a coward. I admire that alot.
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King
Sep 21 2007, 01:39 PM
I don't know if I would have sat through it either, to be honest. No one knows what they would do or how they'd react until they were in the situation. We'd like to think we'd sit through it and soak up the culture and breathe it all in. We'll never know.

:hail: :hail: :hail:

Thank you King.
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Manny
Sep 21 2007, 01:48 PM
I understand Leslie. I am a Christian and I probably wouldn't walk out in tears, but I wouldn't bow to Budha... And even though Jeff said it wasn't a warship ceremony, you were bowing down to another God. I wouldn't do it either. I can attend a ceremony to see another religion and culture, but why would I have to actively participate?!

Very well said too Manny.

And I agree I couldn't understand a word that Chicken was saying. He was way too country or didn't enucify one.
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Steve,

I appreciate your clarification and I really can understand where you were coming from. I just wanted to make sure, :)

Boy, I feel like we are all in a session of hot topics around here, LoL.
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That didn't bother me because it was staged anyway. Anyone who has planned an expedition, party, visit from VIP's etc. knows that every angle is covered as to what is appropriate and how to prepare for it. Even our ambassadors know when to do what and what not to do or wear or smile or move even when in presence of officials in other countries. If you watched Queen Elizabeth's visit for the Kentucky Derby, you were flooded with the care that went into not offending her in any way and why she wore what she wore, etc. There is no way that was accidental. The cast would have been briefed and asked if they had questions or objections. If there were, it would be handled and fixed before going on camera. I am willing to say that Leslie (if that is her name) objected and Jeff or whoever writes the scripts, decided to use it for conflict and the Chinese who went to the trouble to honor them all had to have been prepared that this was part of the show so there would be no offense. If they didn't then appropriate planning was not in place.

I mentioned that I'd want to chose James first for my team due to his skills to win physical competitions, but so far, I think Dave is the one who could be the best player.
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Steve, I couldn't agree more with what you said above!!!
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http://community.tvguide.com/blog/Survivor-China/800050380

Survivor: China
by Rhoda Charles

Episode 1 Recap
Thirty-nine days, 16 people, one Survivor. Such sweet words. Yes, folks, Survivor is back.

What is it about this granddaddy of reality shows that is so enjoyable? Great host? Check. Great casting (most of the time)? Check. Great location? Check. I don’t often say "Wow!" when I watch television but when the camera pulled back to reveal that enormous gold statue of Buddha, that’s exactly the word the popped out of my mouth. Yes, I could just be succumbing to all the hype surrounding Survivor: China’s location, but I have a feeling that this season is going to live up to it.

First off we have a very interesting cast of characters. From a man called Chicken to a guy named Frosti, unusual names have become a hallmark of Survivor, though they all seem to match their owners and their owners are giving us the goods already. So let’s get down to it:

Chicken: He gave us our first "diary room" interview of the season. God love that Virginia twang! It was enough to keep me from using a direct quote. Though he was this season’s early casualty, Chicken filled several roles that we’ve come to expect. He was the older, grizzled, down-to-earth, been-through-it-all, can-build-a-shelter-with-his-bare-hands, doesn’t-fit-in-with-the-young'uns guy who, surprisingly, recognized that his wisdom was not appreciated by his tribe and so kept his opinions to himself. That’s a rare thing indeed. Too bad it backfired. Psst: Unsolicited opinions are the kiss of death, but pony up when they’re requested.

Todd & John-Robert: The flight attendant and the poker player — it’s a sitcom in the making. These two somehow ended up off alone sizing each other up. Together they resembled a giant and a little person. I’m not sure if Todd’s the player he thinks he is but then again, is John-Robert?

Courtney: Does anyone see a little bit of Gwen Stefani in her? This girl is going to be a hoot to watch. I mean, she dissed a monk… in his own temple!

Leslie: The Christian-talk-show host wasn’t comfortable participating in the Buddhist welcome ceremony — all that bowing to graven idols put her off. Wonder what she’ll do come immunity-idol time. Either way, she’s finding her footing by making relationships with the strong silent....

James: Dude, this guy is one big muscle! There is no fat on him. None. I guess grave digging is tough work but I thought they used backhoes nowadays. Either way, to look at James, you’d think big, scary guy, but he’s this gentle, shy person worried about how to handle the social aspect of the game. I look forward to his journey.

Ashley: The professional wrestler has probably received the most preshow buzz, but she fell sick early on and almost got voted out, which from the previews would have been a shame. However, her illness provided great insight into…

Dave: The former model who so lovingly reassured Ashley that she shouldn’t worry that her illness was putting her at risk in the game and then immediately declared to the camera that she’s the first to go home if she doesn’t get better. Can’t. Trust. Him. But he’s likable as heck. As is…

Frosti: The Parkour athlete. If you’ve seen the opening scene in Casino Royale, then you’ll recognize this sport and if you paid close attention to the immunity challenge, then you would have seen Frosti, the youngest Survivor player ever, leap atop the wall as if that were humanly possible.

Peih-Gee: What to say? She’s got a lot going on. She’s crying. She's barking orders. She’s crying again. Peih-Gee is going to be fun to watch... if she lasts.

Sherea: High heels? Come on, have you never watched the show? Don’t show up to Survivor looking cute. You will regret it. She was already down to her bra by the first day, but at least she was wearing underwear. Let that be a lesson to…

Jaimie: The braless college student who was surprised by Jeff’s announcement that they would be leaving their worldly possessions, aka suitcases, behind according to Buddhist teachings.

Denise made her biggest impression so far with her hair, a lovely brunette mullett, and her trip-up in the challenge, but she and Aaron, Amanda and Erik didn’t get much airtime this week so I look forward to getting to know them better later on.

Those are the folks. As for the game itself, there’s no doubt the local culture will play a huge role as evidenced by the immunity challenge, which was very pretty to watch — dragons in an obstacle course. The tribe names mean Fighting Tiger (Zhan-Hu) and Flying Dragon (Fei-Long) and the immunity idol is a little Buddha. While the Art of War didn’t seem to have made an impression yet, Tribal Council was, as usual, a revelatory experience that the Zhan-Hu tribe experienced firsthand having lost the challenge. Dave and Peih-Gee volunteered to lead. Cocaptains? Not if the eye-rolling tribe have anything to do with it, which of course, means great viewing for us. And that’s why we love this show.

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Thanks for posting DFJ. Good article.

I still like Dave and James alot. Dave is still my favorite player. None of the girls have really stuck out at me yet as big players. I will judge them more as time goes on and my opinion could change.

I have a feeling this is going to be another of those seasons where we see lots of folks in their underwear. We did that a few years ago and last night many of them were already down to them.
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DFJ that entry made me intrigued by the show!!! I'm gonna have to watch it now.
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There’s good and bad news in the ratings for Survivor China’s debut. While the show was the most-watched broadcast program of the night, it was also the series’ lowest-rated debut in seven years.

Overall, 15.1 million viewers watched, down from the 17.7 million who watched Cook Islands and Fiji’s 16.7 million viewers, so it’s losing about a million viewers a season.

However, the show “was still the top program on broadcast TV on Thursday,” according to The Hollywood Reporter, although it faced off primarily against repeats.

Media Life says that while it “continued its long slide,” the show “seems likely to remain No. 1 in its 8 p.m. timeslot when the other broadcast competition premieres next week,” and the numbers are “pretty good for a show in its 15 season.”
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Well you have to take into account that it has had 15 seasons. How many shows last through that many seasons. Its a wonder Real World is still on after 20!
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Sep 21 2007, 03:05 PM
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Sep 21 2007, 01:23 PM
SteveFrame, I always find it interesting when people assume just because I'm Wiccan now that I know nothing about Christianity.  I was raised Catholic for 18 years, became a born again Christian at 18, and a Wiccan shortly after.  Being a Christian was like wearing a dress that didn't fit and was made of really bad fabric. 

My interpretation of the bible is what I base my statements on.  I always read the passage about Jesus and the temple one way, one that pissed off the priests, you read it yours.  I read "thou shalt not have other gods before me" as the god of the Christians just wanting to be first in line. 

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People outside of the Christian life condemn Christians for not having respect for their lifestyles, but yet they turn around and can't respect the Christian's lifestyle either.


I respect their lifestyles, but when they blatently don't respect others when they are willingly in their country/house, that's when I have a problem. They can pray in the middle of Time Square, that's fine. That's their freedom here. But you don't go into a Wiccan Gathering Circle or a gay bar and start preaching. You don't go to a country for a game show and disrespect the country. Respect goes both ways. It's not like I'm going to call her radio show and blast her for what she did, that's "her house." But if I saw her on the street, I'd give her what for.

Well that is damn fine for you to do so. But that doesn't make me have to like it or respect it.

And as to your first remark I get tired of you assuming that people are assume stuff about you. I never assumed that just because you are Wiccan that you know nothing about the Bible. In fact frankly I could care less whether you do or not.

Sorry to take this tone but your posts over the last few days have hit me the wrong way - not just here but in the Days threads too.

No one assumes anything about you. The girl or guy in the Days threads didn't either and you attacked him or her for no reason. It seems this is the tone you want so I can take it too.

The last I looked this is a message board and everyone is entitled to post what they want. I did not post my thoughts and opinions with you in regard. I explained what I felt and thought and based on my view point. And that is all that matters to me.

As to what you said your interprestation of the 1st Commandment is just that: YOUR INTERPRETATION. I and other Christians don't see it that way. What matters in my life and their lives is how I interpret it - NOT YOU!!!!!!!!!! I live my life for me and for my God. And I know that my bowing down to another God would not be acceptable to MY GOD.

And as to your other comment about

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But you don't go into a Wiccan Gathering Circle or a gay bar and start preaching.


I don't think Leslie went into that meeting and started preaching. She never said a word. Only chose not to participate. There is a big difference. And I doubt very seriously if she would have said one word if Jeff hadn't put her on the spot.

And Mateo as to the comment about the Muslims. I never meant to make it seem that I thought all Muslims were violent - just using that as an example. I know there are those Muslim's out there that are peaceful. Unfortunately for me those are only ones I have heard about. All my first hand dealings are with the other side and that is the first thing I think of. I have friends who live in Nigeria and we write all the time. We went to college together. The husband of the couple got a job and was transferred to Nigeria. The Muslims control the area where they live and I guess the Government too. There are so many things they cannot do and all are punishable by death. They can worship as Christians but there are limits. And many times the soldiers will stand in the back of their worship service with guns just to make sure that the rules are being adhered too. He says people are put to death all the time. He knows Muslims who have converted to Christianity and just disappeared afterward. Some departed the country and got out while others were put to death unless they denounced their new Christian lifestyle. And so many others. I have nothing against the Muslims as I said - it is just the part that I know from writing to my friends and all. They love it in Nigeria even with those laws. They just know they have to abide by the rules but they continue to live their Christian lives.

Anyway I am done with this subject. I will not hijack the Survivor thread for it anymore. I will just say in closing that everyone lives their lives the way that is best for them. Leslie did what she felt was right and I won't condemn her for it. As King said none of us knows what we would do in that situation. But I respect her more than someone who wouldn't stand up for what they believed in. She showed to me what a strong person she is. The coward would have went ahead and did the ritual, but she showed to me she wasn't a coward. I admire that alot.

If you didn't assume I knew nothing about Christianity and the bible, why did you try and give me a lesson on the subject? Or was that not what you were doing when you told me what you did?
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Janelle Monae is Android # 57821 aka Cindi Mayweather

This just cracks me up! And the reactions are priceless.

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I dare you to try not to re-watch this clip over and over...
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Oh man I feel bad for him. His reaction kinda startled me. I love the reaction of the guy at the end of the clip.
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Sep 21 2007, 08:32 PM
Oh man I feel bad for him. His reaction kinda startled me. I love the reaction of the guy at the end of the clip.

I JUMPED. I was scared. LOL.
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Enough with the religion talk.

This is not a religion thread.

Please let's get back on topic and move on.
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King, I can't remember but is that the first time anyone has responded like that to being voted off. Most of them that I remember don't usually say or do anything. Some you can tell are pissed off but I just don't remember anyone acting that way. It totally surprised me when I watched it live and then in the taped version it was still shocking.
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I know Rich screamed I'VE BEEN BAMBOOZLED when he got voted off, but I don't remember him screaming like that! LOL. I can't tell if his scream is anger or out of fun!
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