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DAYS: Weekly Discussion; Week of Oct. 1
Topic Started: Oct 1 2007, 12:06 PM (2,571 Views)
IMissAremid
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

DAYS OF OUR LIVES
Week of Oct. 1


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King
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Wowie. I am five minutes into DAYS today, and I am already loving it.

Bo - being a complex character with layers? SERIOUSLY? LOL.

Thank you, Ed Scott, for whatever you are doing to Bryan Dattilo!
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

Warning: Really negative, long blathering rant ahead on Monday's show...

What a terribly frustrating episode.

Though the technical improvements are still brilliant, the characters I like best got screen time and I think the actors are giving it their all, the show pissed me off A LOT today and it all had to do with the writing and the high horses they had Lucas Roberts and Bo Brady riding on throughout the episode.

Starting with Bo...

Um, Bo? You do know that Benjy wouldn't be dead if you had just let EJ willingly donate his liver to Stefano right? That if you hadn't tried to arrest EJ on bogus charges to halt the surgery that Benjy wouldn't have been gutted for his liver, Benjy wouldn't have been so angry afterward he tried to kill Stefano and thus Andre wouldn't have retaliated by killing Benjy? No? You didn't know that, Bo? Neither do the DOOL writers apparently since they didn't let EJ point that out. Ugh. SO SICK OF THE WHITE-HATTING AND THE BRADY SANCTIMONY. More than anything else this Brady-DiMera feud storyline has disappointed me in that it hasn't allowed the Bradys to be at fault for anything ever but only reinforced this show's worst habits in scapegoating the DiMeras for all of the problems of everyone in Salem.

Now for Lucas...
I know I've bitched about this character a lot in the past but today was the first day since Ed Scott took over that I found my seething, burning, overwhelming hatred for Lucas Roberts rising back to the surface.

First of all, I get that Kate deserves to be disowned, but why is it that they have to have Lucas disowning Kate for something she had nothing to do with (Stefano's arranged marriage for Sami and EJ) rather than the show giving viewers the satisfaction of seeing Kate getting sweet comeuppance of her being disowned and retaliated against following the reveal of her machinations earlier this summer to blackmail Nick to make EJ look like he was the father and almost get her grandchildren aborted? Because seeing Lucas disown Kate for something she didn't do and without the knowledge of the really awful thing she did in blackmailing Nick isn't satisfying and just makes me think Lucas is a douchebag the same way I did when he shoved cake in Kate's face for the picture of EJ and Sami at the wedding that was all EJ's doing, just as I thought he was a douchebag for the way he put his mother in the situation of thinking she needed to turn to Stefano for money because Lucas had sabotaged her company by turning the SEC onto Mythic and driven her to bankruptcy. Of course Kate forgave Lucas because she has unconditional love for him, as screwed up and controlling as that unconditional love is, but once again we have her reward for opening her arms and heart to her son being a door slammed in her face. Ugh.

My objections to Monday's Lumi scenes are not really so much having to do with Lucas just showing anger or wanting to convince Sami to stay with him (although the yelling being back as much as it was and the VANdetta rather than VENdetta did grate a bit). I actually had a lot of high hopes for this scene based on the spoilers but I had those hopes dashed because of the way they have Lucas going about pleading with Sami, the way they are setting up this dynamic to make Lucas the saintly righteous victim and Sami the clueless, fickle girl being seduced by the big bad DiMeras. It's the same crap they did with the Santeen story with the Bradys/church as the saintly righteous victim deigning to forgive the clueless, fickle girl that was Colleen seduced by the big bad DiMera and it's obnoxious. I hate seeing Sami this way just as much as I did Colleen.

It's also disingenuous for the writers to completely ignore Lumi's history and try to pretend like Lucas has always stood by Sami in the past and put those words in his mouth with Sami NOT challenging that when that is so far from the case and he has humiliated and abandoned her MANY times in the past and in a much more rash, heartless and devastating way than what Sami is doing now as she considers leaving him to do what she thinks she has to do to save her family. It's hypocritical and total BS for Lucas to act like what Sami is doing putting her family before him is something he would never do when time and time again (Franco Kelley framing, Will doll, etc...) Lucas put his mom before Sami and despite him doing so she has not held that against him. Seeing Sami just absorb all this hypocrisy and BS from Lucas without her calling it out just makes me want to vomit, because even if EJ spews a lot of the same sort of hypocrisy and BS from time to time, Sami calls him on it every time. And as a matter of fact that is one of the things I love most about EJami.

What I hate about Monday's episode is I feel like we are back to getting Sami as the Stepford wife in terms of how she is talking about her feelings with Lucas and I hate that they have set up this dynamic in the story so that of all times they have to go and show Sami having feelings for EJ NOW so that if Sami decides to marry her rapist to try to save the lives of her family that she will be VILLIFIED by 50 percent of DOOL fans when she is doing one of the first selfless things of her entire screwed up, self-centered life as they will extend all of their sympathy to put-upon poor, poor Saint Lucas.

I know a lot of people feel horrible for Lucas for Sami thinking of leaving him, but I don't. I can't. For one thing, I can't figure out whether Lucas actually believes his wife that she was raped and I don't get the sense that if he ever felt sorry or supportive of what she went through that he still does. I don't get the sense that he appreciates what Sami did FOR HIM in saving HIS life. Because one second Lucas is throwing the rape in Sami's face and the next he is accusing his wife of having feelings for her rapist. If he does believe she was really raped WOW that is really insensitive to keep bringing up this trauma over and over and also insensitive to screw with her head that way of accusing her of being in love with her rapist. And if we are supposed to think Lucas does NOT believe Sami that she was raped then they should just have Lucas come out and say it because it would be a really powerful and emotional scene and it would be logical given all of Lucas and Sami's trust issues past and present. Of course, that wouldn't allow the show to continue to let poor, poor put-upon Saint Lucas tug at our heart strings, but I think it would be a lot more true to Lucas's character and if Lucas did doubt Sami that she was raped at this point I would understand it.

I mean I could have dug the Lucas and Sami scenes on Monday *IF* instead of Lucas continuing to demonstrate how Sami having submitted to sex with EJ affects HIM and whining about how Sami considering marrying the man she slept with only to save his worthless, ungrateful life would affect HIM and hurt HIS feelings that Lucas expressed more concern about how Sami going forward with that would hurt HER and had made his case for Sami not going along with the DiMera's terms because the Brady family doesn't deserve her sacrifice after all the ways they have cast her out in the past and it isn't worth it to live her life trying to gain their elusive approval because at least that would be recognizing who Sami really has been at her core in the past - a selfish, badass bitch - and at least that would have someone pointing out the Brady's sanctimony. But nope, Hogan is obsessed with the Bradys being the good guys and his vision of Lumi as this fairy tale supercouple they never were and Sami as this watered down weepy heroine so that to complete her "redemption" she apparently has to continue to do penance for all of her past sins by being a selfless martyr for her family in marrying EJ the same way she was a martyr for Lucas when she submitted to sex with EJ in that car back in December.

It's just AWFUL and sexist as hell IMO what they are doing to Sami this way in that in her "redemption" at no point has she matured enough to have given up any of her pathetic desperation for approval or built up any more self-esteem, which was truly the root of all her mistakes in the past, but instead she's simply gone about trying to get approval by being this selfless martyr to her family and Lucas rather than through scheming, which at best results in her coming across as totally out of character and a bore, and at worst comes across as her being a phony hypocrite flooding the screen with her crocodile tears now about how much she cares about Lucas and her family given the many ways that she had so cavalierly and coldly and vindictively screwed them over in the past when they stood in the way of her getting what she wanted.

I want my anti-Brady back!

p.s. Why was Stefano in the hospital?
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I have no idea why Steffy was in the hospital??? I am very confused about that.


Loving Bryan Dattilo in this episode! HOLLA!!!


I love that shot of LUMI through the Brady Pub window. Yay for non-lazy directiing.

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I'm with you, King. I am seeing Lucas in a new light. For the first time in the character's history with the show, I am seeing a mature husband, who has feelings outside of his relationship with Sami. Bryan's no longer playing the whiney husband that wants his wife to himself.
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BD and AS rocked during their scenes at the pub today.

LOL Bo was enjoyable today for me.

Kate and Stefano intrgued me today. I did wonder why he was in the hospital though.

Great acting, directing, and dialogue today. A good solid Monday episode for me.
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Forgot to add, today was the first time in months that I actually felt like I could root for Lumi.
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GET EM STEPH!!

It was a very good episode.

BD is so much better under ED. The whiny attitude is gone and the maturity level has increased so much. I enjoyed his scenes with Kate and Steve, Also, love the Stefano/Kate dynamic. Loved AS and BD in their pub scenes. Great stuff!


I enjoyed Bo today too and seeing Abe again was great. I also liked how Steve duped the guard. Clever. Good ending with Steve and Stefano.

The Roman scenes were exciting, especially the end with the bomb strapped to him. Thaoo was great again.

All around a good start to the week. Hopefully, the intensity level can maintain at this high level.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

:lol: Well I am glad you all enjoyed today's show. :lol:
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Good show today. There were some inconsistencies, but I'm trying to just ignore them and enjoy the good stuff. BD did a great job today, and as unbelievable as it sounds, he might actually be planning to fight for Sami instead of just walking away (like he's always done before). Sami as the selfless heroine of the story doesn't ring true to me, though....I would really like the selfish, manipulative bitch back!

Just when I was starting to think there was ONE good cop with the Salem PD, Steve outsmarts him! Bo and Abe should have known Steve wouldn't give up so easily. Why hasn't Stefano hired his own bodyguards?

Loved crazy Andre again. He's a pretty inept bomber, though, so Sami shouldn't be too worried about her dad. I also loved Kate being blamed for something she didn't do; so ironic.

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I think Bryan did fantastic today. My heart ached for Lucas as Sami informed him she was marrying EJ. Kudos to him. I understand all of his reasons he gave Sami for not wanting her to leave him. On the other hand, I was not impressed at all by Ali. While they were sitting at the bar closer to the end of their discussion about the Vendetta she got better. I was very surprised at myself. I usuallly love her, but not today.

Interesting trick by Steve today. He knew exactly what Bo was going to say and used it to his advantage. You would think if these two really knew eachother Bo would have thought something wasn't right.

I really enjoy Kate and Stefano together in scenes. The Koz and Joe have some chemistry there.

Although EJ did not really know Benjy, I was hoping for just a bit more emotion since he was his brother afterall. I thought that would have been a nicer touch and made his words more believable.

And Andre, loved the whacked out SOB. At least he wasn't in some crazy disguise. Roman looked like death warmed over. (wait didn't Andre say that too.)

Overall today was not great, but I enjoyed it just the same.
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Nixsoaps
Oct 1 2007, 03:17 PM
Although EJ did not really know Benjy, I was hoping for just a bit more emotion since he was his brother afterall. I thought that would have been a nicer touch and made his words more believable.

And Andre, loved the whacked out SOB. At least he wasn't in some crazy disguise. Roman looked like death warmed over. (wait didn't Andre say that too.)

I actually thought EJ's very understated reaction to Benjy's death was right. It made sense to me given that he came to find Bo while he was still riding the high of the delusion that his marriage to Samantha was going to go along just fine and the feud would really be over so he was probably very shocked to find Benjy dead.

I think EJ's lack of flowery language or crying over his brother's dead body was more believable than if they had done more with the scene. EJ is not a very emotionally demonstrative, wearing his emotion on his sleeve sort of guy typically and the only times I can ever remember him being open about his feelings are when they are in regards to Sami or his father. The Brady men are pretty much the opposite as Stefano has pointed out on at least one occasion where he talked about DiMeras not being like the Bradys advertising their sorrows in some beer-swilling pub, but holding their feelings in their hearts.

If EJ had fallen over the body crying like Steve or even been as outraged as Bo it would have been so phony because we've been given no indication that Benjy and EJ ever really knew each other or were close. Plus, in the back of EJ's head he does have to wonder if his father is responsible for this and wants to shut out that fear so he has to emotionally shut down a little bit. Plus, Bo kept cutting off everything EJ tried to say about the death so whatever he was thinking or feeling he may have decided to just keep it inside rather than have to deal with more of Bo's scorn and mocking of his feelings so if he was feeling hurt he didn't want to show that and allow Bo to pour more salt in his wounds.

And you are so right that Andre was great. As much as I had negative things to say about today's show I have a feeling I'm going to really enjoy tomorrow's episode and that Andre will be a big part of that.

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I agree IMiss. I didn't expect him to get all emotional and break down. That is not in character nor would it have made sense due to the lack of his realtionship he had with his brother. I was hoping for EJ to be a little choked up a bit. Like when he kneeled down and said his dialog.

What I took from the scene was that he was not surprised nor did he mind that his brother was killed by his crazy cousin. He was more concerned with telling Bo that Sami agreed to marry him.
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Oct 1 2007, 03:36 PM
I agree IMiss. I didn't expect him to get all emotional and break down. That is not in character nor would it have made sense due to the lack of his realtionship he had with his brother. I was hoping for EJ to be a little choked up a bit. Like when he kneeled down and said his dialog.

What I took from the scene was that he was not surprised nor did he mind that his brother was killed by his crazy cousin. He was more concerned with telling Bo that Sami agreed to marry him.

I know what you mean. I was hoping for EJ to touch Benjy's hand or something...not a big demonstration of emotion because that would have been out of character but a small gesture that showed some family connection. And as much as I love Bo, I'm really tired of the heavyhanded way he deals with the Dimeras. Even if EJ tried to give Bo help or information, he would be cut off and insulted instead. This was my least favorite scene of the day.
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Oct 1 2007, 02:42 PM
Forgot to add, today was the first time in months that I actually felt like I could root for Lumi.

I agree. Like ten months for me.
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Today was some of the best work of Bryan's career, IMO.
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I thought Stefano was put in the hospital for his own safety. So, that it would be tougher for Steve to go after him?!
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Agreed Ponz. Clearly Ed Scott has given him some direction. In his angry scenes he was angry without yelling which just 3 months ago would of been all screeching.
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Oct 1 2007, 07:40 PM
I thought Stefano was put in the hospital for his own safety. So, that it would be tougher for Steve to go after him?!

Yeah, Unfortuntely Steve is smarter then the cops so he outwitted them again.
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I think Sami is so overrated and overplayed...I'm really loathing Sami now that she is not even pretending to use her brain. She is completely under the DiMera spell. How awful. I'm so loving Lucas again, thankfully.

Bo has had some great scenes recently. He is so handsome, sigh. I could see him being in a Western movie with his looks and scowls, LOL. He'd make a great tough guy, spittle and all. He is too good-looking for Days. I think impending fatherhood has blossomed him :)

Maybe Stefano is in the hospital because he went straight from the hospital to the funeral home and was shot even though he wore a vest, there are bruises, etc. to contend with. He is an unwell old man so he would have to be under observation for a couple of days, I'd think.



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