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ATWT/GL - Tidbit from Fox News
Topic Started: Jun 10 2008, 06:37 PM (1,359 Views)
Steve Frame
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The ratings dropped once again last week for CBS’ "As the World Turns" without star Martha Byrne. Of course, there are some who think CBS and sponsor Procter & Gamble simply are trying to drain their audiences and cancel this show and "Guiding Light." It would be a unique approach. The latter show continues its own ratings descent, thanks to its poor production values. …

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,364848,00.html
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Mason


I would say the plunging ratings of the P&G soaps is due more to the shitty, sloppy writing and characters that no one cares about being shoved down viewers' throats, than anything else. Although the piss poor production values are certainly a factor for GL.
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King
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It's making Fox News? Zoinks!
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Steve Frame
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I think it brings up an interesting point. Are CBS and P&G simply trying to get the shows to a point where they can be cancelled without a whole lot of hoopla. I mean even some of us die hard fans are now saying we wouldn't miss the shows if they were gone. I never thought I would reach that point, but now I would rather see them gone than hurt anymore than they are.

As the writer or reporter said it is an interesting approach.
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Mason


I really do believe P&G is intentionally trying to sabotage ATWT and GL. There's NO WAY they can honestly believe that what's happening on either show is good. I fully believe that they want nothing more to do with the soaps, and they're trying to alienate as many viewers by next year, so that when they cancel them, they'll receive minimal backlash.
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I watched ATWT today and really liked it. Luke/Noah are totally adorable. I love Julie Pinson as Janet... what a fun role! Austin Peck is so much more tolerable on ATWT than he was on Days, too. Then there's Maura West, who is just the epitome of amazing.

Nu-Lily has got to go though. Blech.
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King
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I don't think that's the case. I think they are just really, really out of touch with the fans of their show.

Someone told me the crew of GL is almost all twentysomethings. Kreizman is like what...thirty two? I just feel like none of them know what a soap is, not really that they are trying to sabotage it. Maybe they just care about making a buck and don't care about soaps.
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Kenny
Jun 10 2008, 06:55 PM
I watched ATWT today and really liked it.
:OhMy: :ermmmm: :OhMy:

I do love your signature though. :wink:


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Mason
Jun 10 2008, 06:57 PM
Kenny
Jun 10 2008, 06:55 PM
I watched ATWT today and really liked it.
:OhMy: :ermmmm: :OhMy:

I do love your signature though. :wink:


Well, I should add "compared to Days."
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Matt
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Truthfully, I don't think age has anything to do with it when it comes to understanding the genre. Everyone always talks about getting fresh blood for the shows, but how much fresh blood to you know flows from someone who's *not* in the 20something/30something age range? I'm 36 (almost 37 *cough*) and I think I've got a *fairly* good grasp on it. And I've known quite a few teenagers online who made me look like a genre history novice and had an unbelievable grasp and respect for the classic form of the genre (who really did enjoy the old 60s/70s stuff far more than the current stuff). To say that they're too young is a disservice, IMO. To say that they're the *wrong* 20somethings/30somethings is more accurate.
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I agree Matt. And I will also add that the person either here or on another board who said that soaps need to throw out all the old writers and production folks (and he meant old as in age not in seniority) and soaps would be a whole lot better because younger people would be more in tune with what the younger audience wants - well that person needs to look at GL then. GL has the youngest production staff in the business and it isn't doing them any good.
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Matt
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What amazes me is how some of these people get hired in the first place when it's really iffy whether they even know anything about the genre or not. I wish folks would stop trying to re-invent the wheel. I'd kill to write GL (and I bet I could do a pretty damn good job at it, too), but because I don't *know* anyone (and am an untested commodity), I wouldn't stand a chance in hell.
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DK is 33. I think a lot of people at GL just don't get the genre, or else they know if they speak up they will be out of a job. So many of the behind the scenes people have lost their jobs in the different transitions (from the one studio to another) and now (from using the new cameras/NJ taping.) Wheeler from all appearances is one of those who is all about her way and forget about the rest, so I think if people have been able to get other jobs behind the scenes they would leave.

My issue isn't the age of the people, but the way things are being handled. DK even though he started interning at GL in 95 when in college, just doesn't get the program the way some other people may.
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Matt
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The funny thing (and what a lot of people fail to remember) is how GL fans pretty much *lobbied* for EW as EP when Conboy was EP. Everyone pretty much theorized that since she had such a solid background in soaps (2 Emmy Awards for acting -- AW & AMC) and how long she'd been in the genre, she had a grasp on things. Apparently everyone was wrong.
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Jun 10 2008, 09:06 PM
The funny thing (and what a lot of people fail to remember) is how GL fans pretty much *lobbied* for EW as EP when Conboy was EP. Everyone pretty much theorized that since she had such a solid background in soaps (2 Emmy Awards for acting -- AW & AMC) and how long she'd been in the genre, she had a grasp on things. Apparently everyone was wrong.
I'm sure very few will agree with me, but as horrifically bad as GL currently is, I still think it's better than the awful Wes/Con era of 2003-2004. It's sad, but I think I'd even take what we're getting now over that, even if the production values were exponentially better under Conboy.
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I didn't lobby for Wheeler, I lobbied for someone else to come in as I've disliked Conboy since he was at Santa Barbara. I was willing to give Wheeler a chance, but myself and others were let down. And IMO Wheeler should have known better as someone who worked at GL before as a director and had been on AW/AMC when they were strong programs.
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Personally, I'd take Conboy's productions values combined with the HW team of Taggert/Culliton. IMO, that very brief period of overlap was the last time GL was consistantly good.
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I just think they're hiring twentysomethings who are fresh out of college and desperate for work. I agree age really doesn't have anything to do with it. That's not really what I meant by my post.

I mean if they were all 25 who had been watching soaps their entire life (like us, haha)...that's different than hiring an average joe who has never watched a soap before his interview with P&G, which is what I heard they do, and they're paying for it.
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Matt
Jun 10 2008, 09:06 PM
The funny thing (and what a lot of people fail to remember) is how GL fans pretty much *lobbied* for EW as EP when Conboy was EP. Everyone pretty much theorized that since she had such a solid background in soaps (2 Emmy Awards for acting -- AW & AMC) and how long she'd been in the genre, she had a grasp on things. Apparently everyone was wrong.
I really thought Wheeler would be good because she made a very good director on ATWT and she served as a producer for GL. That on top of her acting roles on AMC and AW,I thought she'd make a good EP. I was wrong.

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Personally, I'd take Conboy's productions values combined with the HW team of Taggert/Culliton. IMO, that very brief period of overlap was the last time GL was consistantly good.


I totally agree with you there!
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Wow...now their issues are getting mainstream press?!

I hate to say it but the P&G soaps are done. It just seems like no one wants to help them. They just don't seem to care what fans think or what people in the know think.

This is just a damn shame.
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