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I COULD HAVE WRITTEN IT BETTER; MARLENA'S DISAPPEARANCE
Topic Started: Jun 15 2008, 12:10 AM (1,275 Views)
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Anyone else disappointed with the way in which Deidre Hall's disappearance was written?

I would have written it exactly the same EXCEPT when she returned it could have been revealed that she did, in fact, go out and find evidence of John's innocence.

Maybe not that the Kiriakis' were involved but enough to show John that she didn't just abandon him.

He still could be in two minds because he "thought" she had left him and decided that she obviously didn't love me enough scenario only to find that she did love him and that she would do anything for him (within the boundaries of the law).

I find it "weird" that after everything that Marlena has been through to find and get John back she could just "walk away".

OK she's back but then she's now considering divorce? I give up - none of this makes any sense.

I love that John has another focus and it's not all about Marlena but they are going to end up back together so why not make it interesting, right now John & Ava are more interesting.

[By the way does John's Memory loss remind you of another soap character - namely Jason Morgan on GH?] or is it just me scratching at straws?
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Ellie


Wow great thread! :smile:

First of all, just making sure you know that "Deidre Hall's disappearance", as you put it, did not have to be written at all. Deidre was not on vacation, contrary to what SOW said. It was apparently a writing decision to take Marlena off the canvas for two weeks.

That being said - I like your scenario! That would have been great, to have had Marlena out looking for ways to clear John's name. Though I think Marlena would have told John or contacted him in some way.

That's what I hate about this whole thing. Marlena left with no buildup at all, she doesn't tell John she's leaving, and she returns expecting John not to be upset. The writing for her has just been so terrible. I agree with you about the divorce aspect. As Deidre Hall said, "It comes out of the blue."

I hope the J&M story starts making progress - SOON. With these writers, I sincerely have my doubts.
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Mason


LoL, I think a blind monkey could have written it better.
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I didn't mind the reason for the exit (Eric) but these exits aren't even that big of a deal. The first one she went away to clear her head and it lasted all of one week as far as airtime. Same here. She goes to be there for Eric and it really was a little over a week since we last saw her. Really, only one day passed in Salem time both times so it's stupid in that sense. I would've rather they kept Marlena offscreen from the time of her first exit until this point. That would make more impact and would fit the story. She went away to clear her head in Colorado but claims to have stayed because Eric was in an accident but it wasn't a major accident so she's using as an excuse to buy more time. Plus, hearing what happened to John with the drug trafficking situation kept her away as well. This is the same thing they have us only we don't get the stall period we got from the period after she left town the first time until now. That and this awould allow them to limit Dee's appearances (since that is what I think they are doing so they don't go over her guarantee given she was on every day pretty much of the first two months of 2008) and use her for the good stuff as we go forward instead of having her leave for a week here and a week there and so on.
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Actually anything that wreaks of pointless idiocy IS a big deal
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Amello
Jun 15 2008, 02:17 AM
Actually anything that wreaks of pointless idiocy IS a big deal
Amello, I think you misunderstood. It is a big deal from a story standpoint and in how poorly it was handled. No doubt about it.

The length of the exits is what I was talking about, meaning that the story made them out to be more then they were (as in the length and so on). I mean, one day passed in Salem in the time it took Marlena to clear her head and one day passed in Salem in the time she left and saw her son, who had been in a car accident. It's just too big a pill to swallow. That is what I meant and why I proposed the idea I did in my last post. It would've accomplished the same thing and limited Dee's appearances for a bit (since that is probably their motivation with these little trips).

It's not a big deal that they gave her time off. That isn't the problem IMO. The problem is how they did it and how it was all executed.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jun 15 2008, 02:26 AM.
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Ellie


^^ Deidre knows how much she's worked, and she is a professional who has been on the show for about thirty years. I'm sure she wouldn't have told SOD that her time off was for no reason if it was because of her guarantee.

I can't say it would have been a good idea for the show to have taken her off for six weeks, as you're suggesting. I've read many posts from fans and non-fans that the J&M story is the only one they're even semi-enjoying right now. Removing the "M" from the story for that long would have been completely counterproductive imo.

This little break they took seems to have been to try John with Ava. I know John & Ava have their fans, but I don't think they have many. The ratings were horrendous for the first week of 'Java'. Obviously that's not the only factor, but I think it was a contributing one. I think the writers should admit they made a mistake here, and bring the story back to the J&M relationship.
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Ellie
Jun 15 2008, 02:46 AM
^^ Deidre knows how much she's worked, and she is a professional who has been on the show for about thirty years. I'm sure she wouldn't have told SOD that her time off was for no reason if it was because of her guarantee.

I can't say it would have been a good idea for the show to have taken her off for six weeks, as you're suggesting. I've read many posts from fans and non-fans that the J&M story is the only one they're even semi-enjoying right now. Removing the "M" from the story for that long would have been completely counterproductive imo.

This little break they took seems to have been to try John with Ava. I know John & Ava have their fans, but I don't think they have many. The ratings were horrendous for the first week of 'Java'. Obviously that's not the only factor, but I think it was a contributing one. I think the writers should admit they made a mistake here, and bring the story back to the J&M relationship.
I've also read many posts from general fans that indicate a lot of people want her off-canvas.
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ladyofthelake
Jun 15 2008, 06:56 AM
Ellie
Jun 15 2008, 02:46 AM
^^ Deidre knows how much she's worked, and she is a professional who has been on the show for about thirty years. I'm sure she wouldn't have told SOD that her time off was for no reason if it was because of her guarantee.

I can't say it would have been a good idea for the show to have taken her off for six weeks, as you're suggesting. I've read many posts from fans and non-fans that the J&M story is the only one they're even semi-enjoying right now. Removing the "M" from the story for that long would have been completely counterproductive imo.

This little break they took seems to have been to try John with Ava. I know John & Ava have their fans, but I don't think they have many. The ratings were horrendous for the first week of 'Java'. Obviously that's not the only factor, but I think it was a contributing one. I think the writers should admit they made a mistake here, and bring the story back to the J&M relationship.
I've also read many posts from general fans that indicate a lot of people want her off-canvas.
ITDA with that statement, but everyone interprets things differently. I noticed the ratings went down last week and I am not saying it was because of her disappearing. But if the opposite happened I know some posters would attribute it to that.
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Jun 15 2008, 12:10 AM
Anyone else disappointed with the way in which Deidre Hall's disappearance was written?

I would have written it exactly the same EXCEPT when she returned it could have been revealed that she did, in fact, go out and find evidence of John's innocence.

Maybe not that the Kiriakis' were involved but enough to show John that she didn't just abandon him.

He still could be in two minds because he "thought" she had left him and decided that she obviously didn't love me enough scenario only to find that she did love him and that she would do anything for him (within the boundaries of the law).

I find it "weird" that after everything that Marlena has been through to find and get John back she could just "walk away".

OK she's back but then she's now considering divorce? I give up - none of this makes any sense.

I love that John has another focus and it's not all about Marlena but they are going to end up back together so why not make it interesting, right now John & Ava are more interesting.

[By the way does John's Memory loss remind you of another soap character - namely Jason Morgan on GH?] or is it just me scratching at straws?
Love it! However, that would have required some thought, planning and investment in good storytelling!
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It would have made a heck of a lot more sense just having Marlena come home, find John with Ava (and do it as it is now, he's putting on a show for her, to provoke her because he feels she hurt him), they have an argument which ends with Marlena deciding as she did, to leave the mansion... but not before leaving a gift on his bed... the disc Phillip stole from John. John goes to find her, finds her on the pier and it's finally time for a deep conversation.
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jules
Jun 15 2008, 08:02 AM
ladyofthelake
Jun 15 2008, 06:56 AM
Ellie
Jun 15 2008, 02:46 AM
^^ Deidre knows how much she's worked, and she is a professional who has been on the show for about thirty years. I'm sure she wouldn't have told SOD that her time off was for no reason if it was because of her guarantee.

I can't say it would have been a good idea for the show to have taken her off for six weeks, as you're suggesting. I've read many posts from fans and non-fans that the J&M story is the only one they're even semi-enjoying right now. Removing the "M" from the story for that long would have been completely counterproductive imo.

This little break they took seems to have been to try John with Ava. I know John & Ava have their fans, but I don't think they have many. The ratings were horrendous for the first week of 'Java'. Obviously that's not the only factor, but I think it was a contributing one. I think the writers should admit they made a mistake here, and bring the story back to the J&M relationship.
I've also read many posts from general fans that indicate a lot of people want her off-canvas.
ITDA with that statement, but everyone interprets things differently. I noticed the ratings went down last week and I am not saying it was because of her disappearing. But if the opposite happened I know some posters would attribute it to that.
I don't attribute the ratings going up or going down to ANY one person. As a matter of fact, was it last year or two years ago (I lose track) when we were in between Reilly and Sheffer. Drake and Dee were off canvas for a couple of months, and the ratings were 2.6. I don't think ANYONE on Days is that popular, even James Scott.

And yes, I still see boards and columns where people would like to see Marlena off the canvas for a good while. Why would I say so otherwise?
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ladyofthelake
Jun 15 2008, 06:56 AM
Ellie
Jun 15 2008, 02:46 AM
^^ Deidre knows how much she's worked, and she is a professional who has been on the show for about thirty years. I'm sure she wouldn't have told SOD that her time off was for no reason if it was because of her guarantee.

I can't say it would have been a good idea for the show to have taken her off for six weeks, as you're suggesting. I've read many posts from fans and non-fans that the J&M story is the only one they're even semi-enjoying right now. Removing the "M" from the story for that long would have been completely counterproductive imo.

This little break they took seems to have been to try John with Ava. I know John & Ava have their fans, but I don't think they have many. The ratings were horrendous for the first week of 'Java'. Obviously that's not the only factor, but I think it was a contributing one. I think the writers should admit they made a mistake here, and bring the story back to the J&M relationship.
I've also read many posts from general fans that indicate a lot of people want her off-canvas.
That would be me, I want her AWAY from Jawn but off the canvas works too!
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Naughty Eskimo
Jun 15 2008, 08:59 AM
It would have made a heck of a lot more sense just having Marlena come home, find John with Ava (and do it as it is now, he's putting on a show for her, to provoke her because he feels she hurt him), they have an argument which ends with Marlena deciding as she did, to leave the mansion... but not before leaving a gift on his bed... the disc Phillip stole from John. John goes to find her, finds her on the pier and it's finally time for a deep conversation.
You truly do know how to write for John and Marlena.
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Not ONE aspect of this sl makes sense to me... nor is it entertaining IMO. I am all for drama, angst and all that soapy goodness... but this is just BORING to me.
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ladyofthelake
Jun 15 2008, 06:56 AM
I've also read many posts from general fans that indicate a lot of people want her off-canvas.
I've read many posts from fans that want, Trent, Ava, Chelsea, Dan, Lexie, Tony, Anna, Roman, Kate, Rolf, Max, Stefanie etc. off canvas. It depends on who you ask. :)

First of all, I don't think a third party is needed in this story. I would have kept Stefano. He would have had some kind of secret the audience would have been let in on in due course, and he would have 'woken' up eventually. I would have liked for John and Marlena to go after that disk themselves. I also like what Linn said. I think there should have been few a scenes where we see what Marlena is going through, her termoil.


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Naughty Eskimo
Jun 15 2008, 08:59 AM
It would have made a heck of a lot more sense just having Marlena come home, find John with Ava (and do it as it is now, he's putting on a show for her, to provoke her because he feels she hurt him), they have an argument which ends with Marlena deciding as she did, to leave the mansion... but not before leaving a gift on his bed... the disc Phillip stole from John. John goes to find her, finds her on the pier and it's finally time for a deep conversation.
:) and that would only be the beginning.
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