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DAYS:Spoilers & Previews; week of 7/21 *updated 7/22*
Topic Started: Jul 2 2008, 03:00 PM (13,928 Views)
Hergie23
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Tammy
Jul 9 2008, 09:13 AM
Ponz
Jul 9 2008, 07:57 AM
National Enquirer Spoilers

John and Ava make love.
Prepare for the J&M poo to hit the fan lmfao. :P Please please PLEASE Don't have Marlena sleep with Roman. If she is gonna sleep with someone too I hope it is someone NEW!

I am sooo glad I am not watching anymore
I stopped watching too. And it looks like I won't be coming back for awhile.

I love how they word that. MAKE LOVE?! Are you kidding me? How about the robotic arse and the psycho witch get it on b/c they feel bad for themselves b/c no on else in Salem can stand them?

Since they are leaving Tamara's return open, how much you wanna bet she comes back with a kid?
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Hergie23
Jul 9 2008, 09:23 AM
Tammy
Jul 9 2008, 09:13 AM
Ponz
Jul 9 2008, 07:57 AM
National Enquirer Spoilers

John and Ava make love.
Prepare for the J&M poo to hit the fan lmfao. :P Please please PLEASE Don't have Marlena sleep with Roman. If she is gonna sleep with someone too I hope it is someone NEW!

I am sooo glad I am not watching anymore
I stopped watching too. And it looks like I won't be coming back for awhile.

I love how they word that. MAKE LOVE?! Are you kidding me? How about the robotic arse and the psycho witch get it on b/c they feel bad for themselves b/c no on else in Salem can stand them?

Since they are leaving Tamara's return open, how much you wanna bet she comes back with a kid?
I totally missed that about John and Ava. My eyes skipped right to the Philip spoiler. Wow, John and Ava that is a big surprise. I'm not sure how I feel about it. :OhMy:
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It seems clear to me that someone at DAYS has decided to throw all the fanbases under the bus and just write the show the way they want to write it. Higley is disliked by so many people already, maybe she's decided to just go for it and shake things up real good, since most people hate her writing so much anyway. And I gotta say, although I'm not a Higley fan either, if this is what's happening, I have to--it's hard, but I'm going to say it--admire her for it. A lot of the couples have been so boring and stale and have been through almost everything imaginable, that maybe this is needed to re-invigorate the show. Or, maybe Higley will kill the show completely, as many have predicted. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
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Ellie


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Jul 9 2008, 09:49 AM
It seems clear to me that someone at DAYS has decided to throw all the fanbases under the bus and just write the show the way they want to write it. Higley is disliked by so many people already, maybe she's decided to just go for it and shake things up real good, since most people hate her writing so much anyway. And I gotta say, although I'm not a Higley fan either, if this is what's happening, I have to--it's hard, but I'm going to say it--admire her for it. A lot of the couples have been so boring and stale and have been through almost everything imaginable, that maybe this is needed to re-invigorate the show. Or, maybe Higley will kill the show completely, as many have predicted. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
She does seem to be throwing all the fanbases under the bus one by one, that's for sure. I understand what you're saying, but I personally don't admire her - I think she's being stupid. The head writer truly has one responsibility, and that is to raise the ratings. Higley has not done that at all. In fact, she's lowered them. If she really thinks that this methodical destruction of the couples will improve the situation, then she's even a worse head writer than I'd thought. I would suggest she should go to another show, but I wouldn't wish that on any soap fans.
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Fanbases are tricky. On one hand, they don't want you to do anything that would jeopardize their precious couple. On the other hand, they are YOUR AUDIENCE. And if you don't write good stuff for them, they go elsewhere. Days is seeing the results of that right now.

I like some of the new interaction with characters, especially EJ and Nicole (it's a chance to start EJ's character with a fresh slate), but Lucas and Chloe have all the chemistry of a damp sponge. And John and Ava do have some sparks, but I'm getting tired of RoboJohn.
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Yep, just about every fan base has a reason to complain. Watching that whole "summer of romance" promo just proves how idiotic the writers are right now. Summer of romance? I don't really call ppl doing it in elevators romantic. If you notice, everyone is just doing somebody to get back at somebody they are supposed to love or care about. Yep, that's pretty romantic! The promo makes TPTB look moronic.

Serious, obviously I'm a J&M fan but I feel for everyone. Lemme see, the biggest fanbases would have to be J&M, Bo and Hope, Steve and Kayla, and a mixture between EJ/Sami/Lucas. J&M story is terrible, for obvious reasons. Bo and Hope and Steve and Kayla are practically non-existent. EJ and Lucas are having sex in elevators. More people dislike Daniel/Chelsea and Stephanie/Max than those that actually enjoy the pairings, I think. They didn't even have the common sense to show Tony and Anna get married. Who exactly is she writing for? Is she trying to drive people away?
Edited by Hergie23, Jul 9 2008, 10:37 AM.
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Jul 9 2008, 10:11 AM
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Jul 9 2008, 09:49 AM
It seems clear to me that someone at DAYS has decided to throw all the fanbases under the bus and just write the show the way they want to write it. Higley is disliked by so many people already, maybe she's decided to just go for it and shake things up real good, since most people hate her writing so much anyway. And I gotta say, although I'm not a Higley fan either, if this is what's happening, I have to--it's hard, but I'm going to say it--admire her for it. A lot of the couples have been so boring and stale and have been through almost everything imaginable, that maybe this is needed to re-invigorate the show. Or, maybe Higley will kill the show completely, as many have predicted. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
She does seem to be throwing all the fanbases under the bus one by one, that's for sure. I understand what you're saying, but I personally don't admire her - I think she's being stupid. The head writer truly has one responsibility, and that is to raise the ratings. Higley has not done that at all. In fact, she's lowered them. If she really thinks that this methodical destruction of the couples will improve the situation, then she's even a worse head writer than I'd thought. I would suggest she should go to another show, but I wouldn't wish that on any soap fans.
I see what you're saying and agree to some extent. I don't know if the couple-busting will work or kill the show completely; it's a real gamble. However, I can understand the frustration of a HW who has this show filled with long standing couples with huge fanbases who want nothing but love and happy times--what can be done dramatically? A truly talented writer could come up with stories, I'm sure, but daytime keeps recycling the same writers, who seem to be out of creative ideas. And IMO, Dena Higley is not a talented writer. I've disliked most of what she's ever written on DAYS. The grudging admiration I have for her at this point is that it takes courage to do what she's doing right now--if it works, she will be a hero for saving DAYS; if it doesn't work, everyone hates her--but most people hate her anyway.

I've watched DAYS for long enough that I'm obviously a fan of the overall show and not of any particular couple, although I have my favorites. If the story is good, I'll watch. If it's bad, I'll still watch but keep my finger close to the ff button on the DVR. Dena Higley has forced me to almost wear out that ff button, so I'm skeptical if she'll be able to pull this off and increase ratings. If not, I'm sure Corday will fire her (again) and bring in a new savior, who can then be loved (for awhile at least) for putting all the couples back together again. Maybe that's even the plan. Have Dena break everyone up and set up new pairings, then bring in a new writer to put everyone back together. Nothing surprises me any more.
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Jul 9 2008, 09:49 AM
It seems clear to me that someone at DAYS has decided to throw all the fanbases under the bus and just write the show the way they want to write it. Higley is disliked by so many people already, maybe she's decided to just go for it and shake things up real good, since most people hate her writing so much anyway. And I gotta say, although I'm not a Higley fan either, if this is what's happening, I have to--it's hard, but I'm going to say it--admire her for it. A lot of the couples have been so boring and stale and have been through almost everything imaginable, that maybe this is needed to re-invigorate the show. Or, maybe Higley will kill the show completely, as many have predicted. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
This can be very well coming from Ed Scott. He came from Y/R. His formula for a succesfull show is very different from the usual storylines DAYS tried for the last 15 years with less and less success. Now I wonder if might Corday´s control over the show weekened as a part of the contract negotiation and Scott is trying remodel the show the same way he clearly wanted at the end of last year when a lot of stories suddenly took a direction again. Chloe/Phillip split, Lucas/Sami/EJ triangle being unceremously cut with a really clever move, John allowed to move on, those are things Corday the coward usually never allows.

I must say I really like what is coming. Things are moving again, the stories took directions and it seems like interesting things are ahead. I know people mostly doesn´t trust Highley, but this summer seems so much better than the Santeen/Touch the sky crap we´ve got last year.
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Alligato
Jul 8 2008, 10:36 PM
lady - what is THE TALK about??
Steve and Kayla finally having it out (or discussing, depending on how it goes) the whole Steve in bed with Ava thing.
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Jul 9 2008, 03:13 AM
She is hated by the Steve/Kayla and now John/Marlena fans...I didn't think she worked well with Steve and Kayla, but i think she's the perfect foil for John and Marlena these days..Her involvement in that story has been a breath of fresh air for me..And her and John actually make a hot couple..
I couldn't agree more.
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Jul 9 2008, 09:09 AM
I understand everyone has their opinions about the show, and most of them are pretty negative about Higley's writing, and compared with the history of the show, the writing needs lots of help....but....I am so looking forward to Days! Other than Stax (which was just boring to me), I really don't have a problem seeing all the different hookups.
Chan, while sucks, gives me comfort because I know it isn't going to last, and it looks to end really badly. I love it!

So I know it isn't the best stories they have had, but I am intrigued and excited about many of the spoilers coming up. Just wanted to let a few know that not all are negative! I have been enjoying Days lately! The elevators, the Jarlena disk destroying with Ava, the Nicole/Trent thing, the Max/Trent thing, Phillip/Chloe/Morgan, Victor stuff...very entertaining to me.

I'm not expecting deep, meaningful interactions, just some entertainment to help me get through folding clothes, feeding kids so I can kick my feet up for an hour!

Thanks for the spoils! Love that Phillip will defend Morgan...I have a feeling he is the one who killed Paul! Oh, the guilt!
Alligato, I must say I like your style of thinking!
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Jul 9 2008, 09:49 AM
It seems clear to me that someone at DAYS has decided to throw all the fanbases under the bus and just write the show the way they want to write it. Higley is disliked by so many people already, maybe she's decided to just go for it and shake things up real good, since most people hate her writing so much anyway. And I gotta say, although I'm not a Higley fan either, if this is what's happening, I have to--it's hard, but I'm going to say it--admire her for it. A lot of the couples have been so boring and stale and have been through almost everything imaginable, that maybe this is needed to re-invigorate the show. Or, maybe Higley will kill the show completely, as many have predicted. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
I like this line of thinking, too. "Throwing fanbases under the bus", as you put it, isn't necessarily a bad thing BECAUSE there has been too much fanbase catering in the past and has caused problems because TPTB were trying to hard to make everyone happy, and no one was happy, anyway. Why not go for it, and get back the GENERAL fans who just want a decent show and possibly pull in some new viewers who are more used to other soaps away from the "supercouples and supercouple wanna-be" idea? Not saying that all the supercouples should be pulled apart, but it just doesn't work to try to create some where some don't exist, or going about it in the wrong way (like Lumi and Ejami.)
I haven't been as excited about seeing a potential couple in the making in EJole than I was when Shimi was the thing. Again, it was unexpected, it got a good reaction (except from the die-hard Shelle fans for the most part), and it involved two actors that just clicked and worked well together above and beyond the direction. It was refreshing for all involved.
I think, from interviews, it's be alluded to that Drake Hogestyn is enjoying Jawn right now. I don't want to hear all this stuff about 'we're the customer and he needs to give us what he wants". What good is that if what it was was going stale? And the same with Lumi. The same with each recast of Shelle. The same with Ejami.
I don't know if it's allowed to be mentioned here, but what the hell: Tom Casiello had a web radio interview with another site and it was interesting how he mentioned the original gameplan of Santeen (which sounded a HECK of a lot better than what materialized) was scrapped because some gophers at NBC purused their own board and got all a-twitter by what they read. First of all, do they even note the average intelligence quotient on that board? Second, if they're going to do that, they should go over other boards (like this one or others) to get a better overall viewpoint. As it is, the whole Santeen story was a bust the way it came out.
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Jul 9 2008, 10:11 AM
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Jul 9 2008, 09:49 AM
It seems clear to me that someone at DAYS has decided to throw all the fanbases under the bus and just write the show the way they want to write it. Higley is disliked by so many people already, maybe she's decided to just go for it and shake things up real good, since most people hate her writing so much anyway. And I gotta say, although I'm not a Higley fan either, if this is what's happening, I have to--it's hard, but I'm going to say it--admire her for it. A lot of the couples have been so boring and stale and have been through almost everything imaginable, that maybe this is needed to re-invigorate the show. Or, maybe Higley will kill the show completely, as many have predicted. I guess we'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
She does seem to be throwing all the fanbases under the bus one by one, that's for sure. I understand what you're saying, but I personally don't admire her - I think she's being stupid. The head writer truly has one responsibility, and that is to raise the ratings. Higley has not done that at all. In fact, she's lowered them. If she really thinks that this methodical destruction of the couples will improve the situation, then she's even a worse head writer than I'd thought. I would suggest she should go to another show, but I wouldn't wish that on any soap fans.
This isnt' the only time the ratings hit this low. Plus, why all this insta-result wishes? People tend to forget the whole process of how long it takes from the script to the taping to the actual showing to getting results. Going with the status quo apparently didn't work, so why is she getting bashed for going in a radically different direction now? (Man, I almost sound like a Dena champion!)
There has been too much changing gears in morbid fear of fanbase reactions. Throw them under the bus, I say, and live dangerously! Days was on the brink of extinction before. What the hell do they have to lose?
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Jul 9 2008, 10:21 AM
Fanbases are tricky. On one hand, they don't want you to do anything that would jeopardize their precious couple. On the other hand, they are YOUR AUDIENCE. And if you don't write good stuff for them, they go elsewhere. Days is seeing the results of that right now.

I like some of the new interaction with characters, especially EJ and Nicole (it's a chance to start EJ's character with a fresh slate), but Lucas and Chloe have all the chemistry of a damp sponge. And John and Ava do have some sparks, but I'm getting tired of RoboJohn.
The audience doesn't consist of JUST fanbases. There is such a thing as a general audience. And, unless they're extremely one-track minded, most viewers, I'll wager, are more eager for good, consistent writing, even if that means they don't get their way in the end. Don't you know of viewers who change their way of thinking about a lot of characters, but still enjoy shows?
And what about opposing fanbases? Which one wins? Another reason for problems. Case in point...again....EJami and Lumi. Same thing happened with Shelle and Shimi.
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I admit it is difficult to keep fanbases happy and because of this, the show has fucked up stories just when they were going somewhere interesting and had great potential for awesome emotional payoff. That said, I do think S/K fans have a right to be pissed at lack of Ava fallout and though I know it was a young fanbase, there was no reason to throw Chick under the bus for sucky Chan and to do so w/o giving us any Nick at all is just inexcusable.

I do think though there is a happy medium between happy boring couple for fanbases to fucking the fanbase 100 times over. When you write in strife, there should be a payoff. And as many characters connected should be included (hence the ripple effect), especially that other half of the couple. As much as I hate Marlena, she's not been included (and I know how that feels since Nick is never on) and that does suck, and we should be seeing more of her POV with this Jawn thing instead of sending her out of town on vacation.

Also, you need to spread characters around, not let them be 100% tied to one story which is what we still have happening for MOST characters. That is why Nicole is so popular at the moment (other than AZ really knocking me out with her performances), she's opposite EJ, had many initial scenes with Philip, Chloe and Victor and now she has this Trent story going. This way, you might not be happy to see her in one story (say the EJami fans probably loathe her with EJ) , but you can still root for her in another story (against Trent). Dena needs to learn to do that with other characters as well as make sure that when she does piss off fanbases (which I admit is inevitable in the soap industry), they get a reward for remaining loyal to the show.

Oh, and if she could end Chan immediately that would also give more goodwill from me to her.
Edited by Tripp, Jul 9 2008, 12:10 PM.
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Prepare to be astounded, but, aside from the fact that I think the story is boring as hell, I'm actually not that bothered by John sleeping with Ava, because he's not himself, right now. It's the same reason why I wasn't pissed off by the subsex in 1999. Now, if John WERE himself, believe you me, I'd be shitting bricks too, LoL.
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ladyofthelake
Jul 9 2008, 11:38 AM
sungrey
Jul 9 2008, 10:21 AM
Fanbases are tricky. On one hand, they don't want you to do anything that would jeopardize their precious couple. On the other hand, they are YOUR AUDIENCE. And if you don't write good stuff for them, they go elsewhere. Days is seeing the results of that right now.

I like some of the new interaction with characters, especially EJ and Nicole (it's a chance to start EJ's character with a fresh slate), but Lucas and Chloe have all the chemistry of a damp sponge. And John and Ava do have some sparks, but I'm getting tired of RoboJohn.
The audience doesn't consist of JUST fanbases. There is such a thing as a general audience. And, unless they're extremely one-track minded, most viewers, I'll wager, are more eager for good, consistent writing, even if that means they don't get their way in the end. Don't you know of viewers who change their way of thinking about a lot of characters, but still enjoy shows?
And what about opposing fanbases? Which one wins? Another reason for problems. Case in point...again....EJami and Lumi. Same thing happened with Shelle and Shimi.
AMEN!! :hail:

I agree with all your posts. I am so proud of Days for finally shaking things up. They need to break this mold they are in because it's hard to ever invest in stories when you always know the rooting couple or who will win out in the end. Yes, Days created the issue and that means they also have to be the one to break it.

I think the ratings are passed the point of fanbases having that much control. Not saying they won't have any but I do think the ratings are more event/action driven then story driven, which is stupid but I digress. As was said, Ed Scott comes from a different climate where you just tell good story and that is a climate Days needs. I'm not saying go around breaking up every supercouple. I'm just saying tell a good story and if the story calls for John and Ava to have sex, so be it. The fanbases (not everyone in those fanbases, just in general) are way too fickle to worry about it anymore. Most never seemed pleased no matter what so I think it's smart to attempt to tap into a general audience out there because there are definitely many in that group. I have friends who gave up on Days because it was too predictable. They would say that why should they bother when you know who will ends up with who. Seriously, any show whose EP has to constantly come out in previews and promise that a couple will be together in the end is in a heap of trouble. You can't have that. It takes away the suspense and drama of it all.

One thing about JER's first run is while you knew the rooting couples, you were never sure they would be together in the end and that really helped out his first run. Days needs to just tell good stories and I think it will see success. The catering must stop!

Now, about the spoilers, I like the John/Ava one. I see it as her gaining more control of him and I really think they are setting things up for a return. She will go off for a bit and return just as J&M make major inroads, which will only add to the angst of the story. Love it! Drake rocks love scenes and he and Tamara have great chemistry so I look forward to this. Like Mason said, John is not himself so stuff like this is logical.

Love the Philip one too. It provides yet another step to the Phorgan relationship. The show just keeps getting better and better.

Oh, and Tripp your right that Steve and Kayla fans have a reason to be angry. Bo and Hope fans do also to an extent. I don't mind being upset over stuff like that but when it gets to the point where a fanbase is nitpicking things like scene length, fountains in scenes, and shit like that, it just turns me off to any sympathy I can have for them and I think it turns the show off too. I think the show may be looking at some fanbases and wondering if it should even bother and perhaps that is why the tide may be turning. I do think J&M fans are the most fickle (again not every fan of theirs, just speaking in general). Yes, they've been burned badly but so have other fanbases and they are nowhere near as bad as some J&M fans and fan groups out there.

Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jul 9 2008, 12:20 PM.
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Jul 9 2008, 12:16 PM
Prepare to be astounded, but, aside from the fact that I think the story is boring as hell, I'm actually not that bothered by John sleeping with Ava, because he's not himself, right now. It's the same reason why I wasn't pissed off by the subsex in 1999. Now, if John WERE himself, believe you me, I'd be shitting bricks too, LoL.

ITA! I think this could be some good emotional stuff for J&M. If Dena wrote it right that is,lol.
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Whether it's made up of fanbases or "general viewers", the audience is what determines if a writer is successful. So far, the ratings indicate Higley is not. Not expecting instant results is fine, but trending is important. The ratings have fallen .5 or .6 since February. How long do we wait? Do we really think they'll bounce back up?

Tripp, I agree with a lot of what you're saying. I completely realize I'm watching a soap, not a sitcom. I don't expect to watch each day and see John and Marlena get up, have breakfast together, go to work, come home, eat dinner and go to bed. I realize that soaps need more drama than that.

However, I think we should take a look back at where the characters were this winter. Honestly imo some of these stories could have written themselves.

John & Marlena - Marlena had just found John in Stefano's lab. He didn't remember who she was. This story was originally promoted as J&M finding each other and falling in love again. There's drama in that! And sure, there can be bumps along the way. Where are we now? A computer disk, dock wars, and John in bed with someone else.

Steve & Kayla - Kayla struggled to conceive, then was at the beginning of what would be a high risk pregnancy. I can see drama there! Instead, we had the whole Ava situation, then Kayla gave birth to a very premature baby, and S&K (and their baby) have hardly been seen. Additionally, their daughter is sleeping with Kayla's adopted brother, but that's hardly been addressed.

Bo & Hope - Hope decided to rejoin the police force, and Bo became deathly ill. Sounds like it could be dramatic! That moved into our hardly seeing Hope. Bo's illness turning out to be nothing more than a means to introduce Chelsea's infertility (which also hasn't led to much).

Tony & Anna - I don't remember what they were doing last winter, but since then, they've hardly been seen. They did get married offscreen, a huge missed opportunity for the show.

Shawn/Belle/Philip/Chloe - A love "quad" as the year began. A soap writer couldn't ask for more than that. However, now Shawn and Belle are gone, Philip has been involved with two women (one of whom just slept with someone else), and Chloe has slept with two men in the span of about three weeks.

Sami/EJ/Lucas - We began the year with Lucas heading to prison and Sami dealing with the fact that she'd be alone with her twins, one of whom was fathered by her rapist, who had feelings for her. This has transitioned into Sami's sleeping with EJ, EJ's sleeping with Nicole, Lucas's walking in on Sami and EJ, and then Lucas's sleeping with Chloe.

What I'm trying to bring out is that the drama is there, just waiting to be explored. Viewers don't need their favorite characters to just be shown doing nothing. Couples can face their challenges together, or grow apart because of the bumps in the road. But drama does not mean a third party has to sleep with one member of a couple. That happens sometimes, and when it's part of a well-written love triangle (John/Kristen, as an example), viewers deal with it. But most of the couples on the show now have had a "third party" love scene which didn't fit in with the story as it began. That's why I think Higley is destroying the couples, and with them, the show's viewer base.
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Jul 9 2008, 12:16 PM
Prepare to be astounded, but, aside from the fact that I think the story is boring as hell, I'm actually not that bothered by John sleeping with Ava, because he's not himself, right now. It's the same reason why I wasn't pissed off by the subsex in 1999. Now, if John WERE himself, believe you me, I'd be shitting bricks too, LoL.
Well said Mason, plus this really ups the ante for Marlena...She will have lost Jawn and will most likely have to turn to Stefano to bring him back..
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