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| DAYS:Spoilers & Previews; week of 7/21 *updated 7/22* | |
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| IMissAremid | Jul 9 2008, 12:57 PM Post #101 |
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OK a few points... Well while I agree that it's not the head writer's job to please fanbases I don't think it's the head writer's job to raise ratings either as in my view the head writer's only responsibility is to try their hardest to tell a compelling story that makes sense, offers emotional payoff and remains true to the characters it involves (IMO it's more the producers/studio heads job to worry about ratings which have so many other factors besides story... case in point OLTL getting 0.1 more viewers than DOOL). Now in some cases that runs counteractive to fanbases, but not always and certainly not with skilled, thoughtful writing. Now as for this Java stuff, while I don't have a problem with them really and I like the new Jawn I still would have rather watched a budding love story between John and Marlena where they fall in love all over again despite John being this other person with no old memories OR if they are going to keep them apart then something written with more angst for Marlena and more of her point of view than what we are currently getting. Also would love for her to have a romance that is NOT ROMAN while she is apart from John. I guess I would have found a Victor-Marlena pairing interesting, but since his stroke pretty much prevents that I don't know who else that leaves. Never liked Marlena-Tony... hmmm. Actually I've always thought Marlena and Abe had good friend chem. |
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| Ellie | Jul 9 2008, 01:12 PM Post #102 |
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I think it is the producer's job in that he/she hires the writers (and actors, and directors) who will help the ratings go up, but writers get fired when the ratings go down, not when they fail to tell compelling, character driven stories. (Although those two things usually go together.) |
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| Ponz | Jul 9 2008, 01:42 PM Post #103 |
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IA with Tripp. Writing to screw fanbases over is just as bad as actively pandering to them. I could admire Higley if she was ignoring fanbases for the sake of good story but alot of her stuff is clearly designed to "get a reaction" from them. Java makes a little more sense in the context of the plot but the lack of ANY emotional fallout from Steve/Ava confirms that it wasn't creatively motivated. She just wanted to rile up the S&K fans. |
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| jane1978 | Jul 9 2008, 02:04 PM Post #104 |
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Iīm pretty sure the Steve/Ava stuff was abruptly ended exactly because fans reaction. Letīs not forget there was a casting call for some Avaīs thug and in the scene Max, Stephanie, Nick and Chelsea were all kidnapped too and Chelsea was still sick. Weīve never seen that. I think there were a longterm plans for Ava/Steve and Kayla triangle but were canceled either because Corday caved, or because Ava/Steve really lacked the chemistry together. Thatīs probably also the reason why S/K are storyless right now. As for Java there is not even slightest reason why they shouldnīt or couldnīt sleep together. Itīs pretty character IMO, because John is clearly very interested in sex, Ava is not exactly prudish and they like each other. |
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| Tripp | Jul 9 2008, 02:24 PM Post #105 |
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I think the Steve/Ava stuff was ended due to the fact she had stalled the storyline out a ridiculous amount of time. As for the casting call with Max, Stephanie, Nick and Chelsea, that actually aired but with Steve, Kayla, Bo and Hope, they just changed the names so we wouldn't know who was really in the scenes. |
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| Red Mist | Jul 9 2008, 02:45 PM Post #106 |
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John and Ava make love. So the game of musical beds continues....who is next? |
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| Kevc1980 | Jul 9 2008, 02:47 PM Post #107 |
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Look at any other show, is there a happy supercouple thats together? On Guiding Light, Josh and Reva have each been with other partners..Over at AMC, Jack and Erica aren't together now...Dixie and Tad are separated by death...On ATWT, Holden and Lily are separated right?? At OLTL they've mixed up couples so much over the years that its sometimes hard to keep track of who's together..Back in the 90's Bo and Nora were a very popular couple, now they both have different love interests..On Y&R, Victor and Nikki both have different partners...Sharon and Nick both had affairs and aren't together..The love of Neil's life is dead...On GH, they've also mixed up their couples so much its hard to keep track.. Point being a Days writer has it so hard to come up with stories for all their supercouples: John/Marlena, Steve/Kayla and Bo/Hope..Its a miracle these couples are still on the show after all these years..If they are happy and together, they are barely shown (Steve/Kayla) or they are props for other characters (Bo/Hope)..and this isn't just Dena, its been many other writers over the past 10 years..I'm happy that Hogan started this Jawn story and Dena is running with it..And i'm glad that Ava is representing temporary conflict between John and Marlena, because that will just make their inevitable reunion that much better.. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jul 9 2008, 02:49 PM Post #108 |
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I do too and I think once again Steve and Kyla got screwed over because of a transition/story change. The whole Ava kidnapping story came off like nothing but strike material and as soon as the strike was over, the story came to a quick end. I think between that and fan reaction Days buckled and tossed Ava elsewhere because many liked her. I also want to add that even soaps that write good stories don't always see ratings increases. Just look at OLTL. Two months of quality story and it's only a point ahead of Days. Ratings can't really be the judge of quality, especially with how event and action driven the ratings system is now. I also think that where the characters were in winter is irrelevant because a strike was going on and alot of Hogan's stuff was being wrapped up and new stuff was being set up. Then, once the strike was over, with a writing team in place you could sense the show was feeling for directions with some things. It seems like the last few weeks they have committed finally to most stories. They finally tossed in Kate with Chelsea/Daniel, they had Sami love both men, Ava was added to the J&M story and the story has been rejuvenated, and even Max's story is picking up. We are also seeing Philip/Morgan going full force now and the whole docks story finally is heating up. I've always said it's one thing to have bad stories but to have a show with an extreme lack of direction is even worse. Days had that for May and half of June and it is finally coming out of it. I, personally, can tolerate a bad story or too providing there is a direction. That to me is most important. |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jul 9 2008, 02:54 PM Post #109 |
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Amen! :hail: Seriously, some of these fanbases have to understand that a bulk of the audience doesn't want to see couples fall in love again. Been there, done that. How many times do we have to do this? If these couples have to keep falling in love again, why are they even together in the first place? The couple is diminished by that logic. I don't mind conflict and a couple finding their way back together but the whole falling in love thing on it's own just isn't interesting enough in today's day and age to hold on to an audience. The patience just isn't there anymore. The whole destined couple thing is fine but it also limits a show and makes it too predictable. The end result is always known. You just can't have happy couples and romantic adventures, especially for characters and couples who have done that ad nauseum. I would really like to see some of these fanbases write the showe on a trial basis and see the reactions they get. I have no doubt the ratings would barely respond and people would complain the show is boring still. I know someone will bring up February of this year but that month was driven a big event (the plane crash) which proves my point. Ratings are driven by events and action now, not good story and writing. That in itself is to sad for words. |
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| Ellie | Jul 9 2008, 02:54 PM Post #110 |
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Ummm... who's been unscathed so far... Bo, maybe? I'd say Hope, but in Higley's world, the men are generally the ones to sleep around while the women have to stand back and watch. Not always, but usually. So my money's on Bo. |
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| Ellie | Jul 9 2008, 02:58 PM Post #111 |
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The point I was trying to make in my post, though, was that Higley began her tenure with what seemed like ready-made drama for each of these couples. She's transitioned that into one member of almost all the couples sleeping with someone else, usually with no fallout. I hope you're right about a J&M reunion, but with the way Higley's been avoiding followup for any of the 'sleeping around' she's written, I have no hope that the reunion will be any better because of this. |
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| Alligato | Jul 9 2008, 03:19 PM Post #112 |
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I would have loved to know how that was orginally supposed to turn out because I was totally disappointed in the ending of Santeen...not just Colleen/Santo having John, but how Santo totally lied to Colleen the whole time that his wife died. I thought it could have been really romantic, but instead he was a lying cheating bastard! That whole story confused me! Too bad I hadn't found Daytime Royalty at that time. I would have loved to read what y'all thought. If you have a link to the interview, please PM me. I am dying to know what fanbase they caved to and why it ended the way they did. Totally my opinion and no offense to anyone, but the NBC board is always the most obnoxious/irrational board I read. I can't believe out of all boards, they bow to the posters over there? Why? |
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| Tripp | Jul 9 2008, 03:43 PM Post #113 |
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I thought I wanted to know how it should have come out. Hearing the TRUTH enrages me to the point of madness. What I don't get is if they wanted to expand the story, fine, but why change the ending? |
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| The Room Stops | Jul 9 2008, 04:14 PM Post #114 |
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There's no problem doing something that drives a couple a part, but it needs to NOT be plot driven when its couples like John/Marlena, Bo/Hope, Jack/Jennifer etc, because they're PAST that. They have history to take from. That's what TIIC don't get. I don't know about other supercouple fans, but most J&M fans I've seen have no problem with the seperation in itself, it's about the out of character behaviour. And yes, that goes for NuJawn too. Because up until June 2 or something, he was head over heels for Blondie, now he's behaving like a jackass 100% of the time instead of 50, and he's gone back to being what he was when he first came to after Stefano did what he did. There's no developement, there's no progress... A love story doesn't mean happy happy happy, it does however need both characters to be in character. I love EJ and Nicole, but the writing for them sucks. They're just a busstop on the road to "EJami". And there's barely been any lead up to it, it's not in character either. EJ is madly "in love" with Sami, then one time with Nicole and he's not in love with her? Don't get me wrong, I'll enjoy every second James and Arianne are onscreen together, but it's in spite of the writing, not courtesy of it. |
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| jane1978 | Jul 9 2008, 04:47 PM Post #115 |
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But thatīs the problem. They are supercouples. Whatever conflict they have is always against the character because up to the point when theyīve got together we weīre assured again and again they are perfect for each other, they totally understand each other and there is nothing what could ever come between them. Itīs almost like a beautifull fairy tale which ends with happily ever after, but suddenly there is another chapter and we discover the princess is not at all nice but very shallow and spoiled and the prince lied her because he was secretly in cahoots with the dragon who is not dead at all. No matter what the show tries, people will be always angry because they were promissed happily ever after, not the real stuff. |
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| ladyofthelake | Jul 9 2008, 04:52 PM Post #116 |
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I feel like I need to read an English grammar book the few times I've been there. I'll try to find that summary back, Alligato. Just keep PM'ing me to nag me. :D |
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| IMissAremid | Jul 9 2008, 05:30 PM Post #117 |
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You know I see this argument come up all the time about how DAYS should mix things up since after all other soaps do (the biggest one I could think of that you didn't mention is that they put Laura back in the coma or whatever to keep Tracy and Luke together a little while back), but I have to play devil's advocate on this one a little bit. Just because other soaps break up their couples isn't reason enough for DAYS to do it too. It's that sort of thinking that because GH has a mob war and gets better ratings than DAYS then gosh we need to bring mobsters to Salem too. But what works for one soap doesn't always work for the other soap. Personally I think the presence of supercouples and investing so much in them and their families is one of the reasons I am so sentimental about DAYS and still watching it 15 years since I first started despite all the crazy shit that's gone on both on screen and behind it with this show. I just don't have that same attachment to YandR, which I actually started watching first, and I try to figure out why but I guess it's because as much as I may bitch about storylines and writing on DAYS I do get to see so many of the same people I loved watching so many years ago on DAYS in so many of the same relationships and I don't get as much of the same thing on YandR. So much about soaps and daytime TV in general is sentimentality, at least for me, so in a way it's sort of comforting that Bo and Hope are still together the same way I would want my friends or my parents to still be together and the same way I loved that Bob Barker was on CBS from 10-11 a.m. telling me to come on down for pretty much my entire life until recently. I guess it's just different strokes for different folks who maybe think that is just too boring. Also, at this point it is getting a bit ridiculous with the bedhopping that it seems like that is the only obstacle any relationship can have (I guess aside from whatever Trent nonsense will keep EJole apart) even when there seems to be other angsty obstacles at the writers disposal for the storylines that it just comes across a bit gratuitous. For example, Chan has enough with the age obstacle but we are getting that Daniel is sleeping with Kate? And it's hinted Daniel also may have something with Lexie when her and Abe have enough with Theo's autism? This is not even getting into the Ejamnichlucaphorgan orgy. John and Marlena had a big enough obstacle as is with him being this whole other person without them needing to write Marlena so silly and unyielding taking Phillip's side in the feud and just randomly disappearing off screen for like a week to make room for Ava IMO. Really the buildup time of all that was extremely short for I think the Java and Jarlena storylines to be all they could be. All I can figure is maybe this was originally what the Steve-Kayla story was going to be like and they changed it to keep Jawn going? I don't know. But I'm rambling so I'm just going to shut up and post now. |
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| Mason | Jul 9 2008, 05:35 PM Post #118 |
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Supercouples are a DAYS staple. They're the show's bread and butter, so it would be stupid start mixing and matching with them all over the place. There comes a point when certain couples (not just on DAYS) are simply beyond triangles and it's ludicrous to think that after everything, they could actually be threatened by a third couple (like Bo/Hope, John (oldJohn, particularly)/Marlena, Jack/Jennifer, for examples). I'm not saying there shouldn't be any new couples, but it should be done in moderation, particularly considering DAYS's volatile fanbases. It shouldn't just be a game of musical couples.
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| Alligato | Jul 9 2008, 05:50 PM Post #119 |
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I so miss Bob Barker! Sigh! I'm still bummed that Rod Roddy died! He had the best suits, and I loved his voice! Some things are so hard to let go... But yes, I guess it is kind of comforting to know that Bo and Hope are still together...but I feel they are a bit young to be settled and happily ever after already! But I don't want to see another Patrick Lockhart fiasco...although Patrick and EJ were just two of the finest men opposite each other! I didn't think the TV could handle that hotness! sorry...so off topic here! |
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| Tripp | Jul 9 2008, 06:09 PM Post #120 |
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For anyone interested, the link is here. It isn't just about Santeen and the influence of NBC.com: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/inthezoneradio/2008/07/03/In-The-Zone-Radio-Soap-Talk-w-Tom-Casiello |
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