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DAYS: Weekly Discussion; Week of July 14
Topic Started: Jul 14 2008, 02:34 AM (4,309 Views)
Miss Rhi
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"If Sami can't find happiness with a Martian, then she can't find happiness with anyone."

Who is Sami to talk about competent caregivers for kids?

If her children weren't her own people wouldn't want her taking care of them either.....


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Mason
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Jul 15 2008, 01:45 PM
Who is Sami to talk about competent caregivers for kids?

If her children weren't her own people wouldn't want her taking care of them either.....


I agree. Sami was totally the pot calling the kettle black when she was talking about what a bad influence Nicole would be to children.
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IMissAremid
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

Paxton
Jul 15 2008, 01:39 PM
IMissAremid
Jul 15 2008, 01:00 PM
That St. Lucas is so wonderful because he deigns to accept and love the extremely flawed Sami Brady is not romantic or accurate to the characters.

I mean the writing bears out that Sami has delusions about what Lucas is capable of and puts him on the pedestal when she confronted EJ about sleeping with Nicole she threw her belief that Lucas would never screw some tramp in an elevator in his face, while at the same time he was having sex with Chloe.

So that is why I was expecting more from Sami after finding out the truth about Lucas.
I completely agree. I think Lucas and Sami are toxic with each other, and I feel the same way about EJ and Sami, just for different reasons. Sami alone is what I'm hoping for; that, or she can go surfing with Dr. Dan.

I agree that Sami should be more angry with Lucas, and I haven't seen today's show yet so I don't know what she says, but it doesn't strike me as too bad that she hasn't yet blamed Lucas. She hasn't seen him, nor has she really had time to really confront what he did. She automatically freaked out with Chloe, then was angry at EJ because he was pointing out how attractive Chloe is and that basically Sami has nobody but herself to blame for both men seeking out other women. Then Sami threw out her threat (which is vintage) that she's taking the children and leaving, and the focus shifted there.

I have to believe, I guess because I'm trying to be optimistic here, that Sami will confront Lucas and honestly face what's going on with them. I'm no Lucas fan, but I really don't think he was leading her on that they were together or going to be together soon. I'm not excusing the elevator romp, which I hated because I thought it was extremely unfair to Chloe, but Sami doesn't have much ground to stand on when it comes to thinking Lucas should have waited in celibacy for her, when she knew he was still dealing with a lot of anger.

To me, though, what makes the most sense is to have Sami light into him for risking going back to jail and losing the next nine or so years with Allie. She should rightfully castigate him for his wrongful prioritizing, plus she could ask, like Philip did, what was wrong with the telephone if he needed a friend.
That is what I want Sami to be mad at Lucas at more than the sex and that's why I don't totally accept the show's BS that this is ALL Sami's fault and she brought it on herself because Sami just being fickle about EJ doesn't justify Lucas breaking house arrest and throwing away a life with his daughter any more than it justified Lucas throwing away his life with his daughter the first time by trying to kill EJ, although if she can be mad at EJ for sleeping with Nicole after Sami dumped him why wouldn't Sami be just as irrationally possessive about Lucas and be mad that he slept with Chloe?

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Sami does want to blame everyone except herself and Lucas. Wow blaming EJ for Lucas doing the nasty with Chloe was beyond stupid. Lucas was in prison for months and my guess he has been thinking about doing Chloe every since Chloe suggested they be friends!

Sami is about to lose everything ... I wonder how she is going to react!
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Mason
Jul 15 2008, 01:49 PM
Rhiannon
Jul 15 2008, 01:45 PM
Who is Sami to talk about competent caregivers for kids?

If her children weren't her own people wouldn't want her taking care of them either.....


I agree. Sami was totally the pot calling the kettle black when she was talking about what a bad influence Nicole would be to children.
I was hoping that EJ would throw that back in her face...Sami is not a really good roll model for children either...case in point, all of the pie on EJ's jacket. Ej had a wonderful case against Sami there and he didn't even use it!

I also find it odd that Sami has all of this ammo on EJ about bribing the judge, the court order, her feelings about everything, yet she brings up Nicole again. There was nothing at all that they were talking about that had anything to do about Nicole! But she focuses her energy on EJ and Nicole being the next power couple?

I have no clue if Sami loves EJ or not. At this point, I don't really care because I am so sick of it/her denial/whatever they want to call it.

Phillip and Morgan annoyed the shit out of me today. It took the WHOLE DAMN episode for her to open the package! I remember Morgan being this tough chick who threw a dart at Phillip's shirt. Now she is sniveling and whiny. I know her dad is missing, but come on! He left her something that might help him out...and she is shaking because someone MIGHT be following her, then doesn't want to open it? GMAFB!!! Open it for your dad!

Hope and Bo also pissed me off. I can't stand it when Bo or Hope blows steam up each other's ass! "oh, Fancy Face, you are the most amazing woman ever!" "oh, Bo, you are such a strong detective". Ugh! They always do shit like that, and some may love it, but I can't stand their constant perfection!

And Hope dumping off Ciara to go "help" Bo? Like he couldn't go to the post office himself? I am not a fan of having kids on soaps for reasons like this...parents just look like total idiots when it comes to them. It's late at night, and Hope is mad that the baby sitter was sick because she is stuck with Ciara and can't go play detective with Bo?

I'm a little grumpy today, and I really didn't like the show. I guess as far as movement goes, we got somewhere, but all of the characters annoyed me. EJ/Sami did really good today, and I enjoyed their back and forth!
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cjknick
Jul 15 2008, 03:18 PM
Sami is about to lose everything ... I wonder how she is going to react!
Probably the way she always reacts. Have a tantrum, alternating between whining and shrieking, and of course, blaming everyone else.

At age 16, it's annoying but understandable. At 30-something, it's just annoying. :hmmph:
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FanODays
Jul 15 2008, 01:32 PM
IMissAremid
Jul 15 2008, 01:00 PM
FanODays
Jul 15 2008, 10:12 AM
Days4Life
Jul 15 2008, 09:25 AM
psychofan
Jul 15 2008, 08:15 AM
I love the writing for Sami lately. I felt like I was watching a JER episode on Monday and it made me extremely happy. Sami going off on anyone who will listen and taking no responsiblity...that's the character I love! :D
I agree; it felt like we got some old school Sami on Monday. I hope the trend continues.

Like others, I was also wondering why Sami wasn't putting any of the blame on Lucas for the elevator sex with Chloe, but I decided it was because he wasn't there at the time and Chloe was so she got the brunt of Sami's anger. If Lucas was available and not locked up in jail, I think he would have had something thrown at him also. Although there is a trend for Sami to look at Lucas through rose-colored glasses. Like EJ mentioned, she's built up this false vision of perfection in her head, where her life will be perfect if she and Lucas are together with their children.
But that comment of EJ's was total bull because Sami and Lucas, at least according to the actual history of these characters and not some rewrite to fit the plot, know each other oh so very well, the good and the bad and everything in between. Lucas and Sami did nasty things to each other which was what made their long awaited declarations of love so good. Now I feel as if I don't know either of these characters.

Lumi should not be together because its the 'right' thing to do because given their past in many ways Lumi is wrong, yet there is a powerful love there if neither of them destroys it because of their own insecurities and issues. That is the story, not Lucas being a saint in Sami's eyes because he isn't. Far from it.
But that is the story this show has been telling when it comes to Lumi for the last year and a half or so and that is what makes Lumi so repulsive to me.

That St. Lucas is so wonderful because he deigns to accept and love the extremely flawed Sami Brady is not romantic or accurate to the characters.

I mean the writing bears out that Sami has delusions about what Lucas is capable of and puts him on the pedestal when she confronted EJ about sleeping with Nicole she threw her belief that Lucas would never screw some tramp in an elevator in his face, while at the same time he was having sex with Chloe.

So that is why I was expecting more from Sami after finding out the truth about Lucas.
Which is why I like Sami less and less as each day passes. They have turned her relationship with Lucas into the one she had with Austin and its simply incorrect.
A very true statement FanODays. I have felt for a long time that the writers (I think it was JER's last run) have turned Lucas into "Austin light" and it doesn't work.
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jane1978


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Jul 15 2008, 03:37 PM
Phillip and Morgan annoyed the shit out of me today. It took the WHOLE DAMN episode for her to open the package! I remember Morgan being this tough chick who threw a dart at Phillip's shirt. Now she is sniveling and whiny. I know her dad is missing, but come on! He left her something that might help him out...and she is shaking because someone MIGHT be following her, then doesn't want to open it? GMAFB!!! Open it for your dad!
Well, people were complaining there are no cliffhangers so I quess the show listened and now tries to compose the show more carefully, but of course it means drag the revalation till the end. Today during Morgan/Phillip scenes I was really wondering if Rick Draughon isn´t some Reilly´s apprentice because it so reminded me his writing school. The only thing missing was Phillip talking to himself in each segment how important the package is and how it can destroy him and entire family.

On the other side, the final was nice, with Phillip giving his confession to Victor immediatelly intercuted with Bo playing the tape. Very suspensefull, so I forgived for the post office stuff.
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I agree on the point about Morgan. I want them to give her backbone back to her. That chick was strong. I mean, in character and personality. A breath of fresh air for the show, I think. If they'd keep her like that, while having her show SOME vulnerability during this storyline without going overboard.. She'd be the perfect partner for Phillip (at least down the road after this is all resolved).

The one thing that pissed me off about this show was the one preview for tomorrow. "Damnit, Paul. Do this or I will kill you." is something that Phil said to Paul? I mean. We've seen them going back and forth quite a bit and Phillip has been a lot more sly than to leave himself exposed like that verbally. It just seems out of character for Phillip to do that. Couldn't they have made the death threat more.. subtle? I mean. Not outright saying he's going to kill him, but "sleeps with the fishes" type of subtle? Couldn't they have had the message be something about Phil doing something he'll regret if Paul didn't follow his orders?

It's just way too damning. It should have been a strong message, with subtle phrasing. Enough so that Bo thinks it could really screw his brother over, but not strong enough that Phillip can't be all "Well, I didn't mean I would kill him."

God. That's one small detail of this story that they fucked up and I just downright loathe that they did this.
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Oh, don't even get me started on Higley's shitty writing for Morgan. Ugh...

Would you just get off your ass and fire this woman already, Corday?
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squee
Jul 15 2008, 03:59 PM
cjknick
Jul 15 2008, 03:18 PM
Sami is about to lose everything ... I wonder how she is going to react!
Probably the way she always reacts. Have a tantrum, alternating between whining and shrieking, and of course, blaming everyone else.

At age 16, it's annoying but understandable. At 30-something, it's just annoying. :hmmph:
I remember saying something to someone a while ago about Sami never having been able to grow up on her own terms, because she always has to live up to other people's. Not an excuse for her actions, but whenever she makes progress.. it always gets messed up due to one person or another. See: Sami making progress with EJ and confessing her feelings (completely, not just for him, but about what went down between them) then Lucas comes back and she's all sorry and regretful and hurtful to EJ and pushing him aside and contradicting everything that she said to him earlier.

I wish more of an issue would be made about how detrimental Lucas is to Sami's maturity. Lucas has always been judgmental and overbearing to her, while EJ has nurtured who she is (probably because they're a lot alike). She feels she needs to comply to Lucas' wants and needs for her (be perfect, don't ever do anything wrong, and if she doesn't fit into that - then he lashes out at her and demeans her), whereas EJ just wants her to be honest with herself and do things according to how she really feels.. not doing things in accordance to how she thinks other people expect her to feel.. and how they expect her to be as a person.
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Jul 15 2008, 05:04 PM
I agree on the point about Morgan. I want them to give her backbone back to her. That chick was strong. I mean, in character and personality. A breath of fresh air for the show, I think. If they'd keep her like that, while having her show SOME vulnerability during this storyline without going overboard.. She'd be the perfect partner for Phillip (at least down the road after this is all resolved).

I never thought of Morgan as a strong character. She was strictly a minor player up until this docks war storyline. She certainly went along with the girls when it came time to decide whether or not to hide Ford's body. She hasn't struck me at any time as independent or even all that interesting. I did like her with Max, though, and she was cute with Nick--they could explore that and I'd be fine with it; she just has no chemistry whatsoever with Philip in my opinion, and since he's my favorite I want to watch him with someone I like. And I still don't see how any woman would ever want to be with a man who got her father into such trouble, refused to help him and used her. But then, I used to ship EJami so it's not like I've never rationalized a guy's bad behavior in favor of a couple. :shrug:

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EJ just wants her to be honest with herself and do things according to how she really feels.. not doing things in accordance to how she thinks other people expect her to feel.. and how they expect her to be as a person.


Sure, as long as it fits in with EJ's agenda. Didn't he just take out a court order preventing her from taking the children from the house even though that's what she really wants and how she really feels?
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Jul 15 2008, 05:11 PM
I wish more of an issue would be made about how detrimental Lucas is to Sami's maturity. Lucas has always been judgmental and overbearing to her, while EJ has nurtured who she is (probably because they're a lot alike). She feels she needs to comply to Lucas' wants and needs for her (be perfect, don't ever do anything wrong, and if she doesn't fit into that - then he lashes out at her and demeans her), whereas EJ just wants her to be honest with herself and do things according to how she really feels.. not doing things in accordance to how she thinks other people expect her to feel.. and how they expect her to be as a person.
Lucas has always wanted Sami to turn into a Carrie clone. He has an image of how he wants her to be, but Sami is not that person and never will be. That's why I've never seen the great Lumi love match that others see. He's always put Carrie on a pedestal and set her up as the ideal woman and expected Sami to live up to that, instead of appreciating her for herself. I hate the way he's demeaned her over the years and will probably never forgive him for flashing that enormous diamond he gave Carrie in Sami's face, knowing that the one he had given her was much smaller. IMO, that's the Lumi relationship in a nutshell--Carrie is the desired one he can't have, Sami is the leftovers he's stuck with.
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Jul 15 2008, 05:08 PM
Oh, don't even get me started on Higley's shitty writing for Morgan. Ugh...

Would you just get off your ass and fire this woman already, Corday?

ICAM! The writing for Morgan right now is awful! She is so annoying!!!

Thanks alot Dena, you're really doing an AMAZING job with the females on the show right now!
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I never thought of Morgan as a strong character.

I meant.. she had character. Like, strong character. A strong personality. As in she doesn't generally take bullshit. He was trying to flirt her a couple of times and she deflected. When she's written right, she seems to be a tough cookie. Tougher than most of the other women on the show.

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Sure, as long as it fits in with EJ's agenda. Didn't he just take out a court order preventing her from taking the children from the house even though that's what she really wants and how she really feels?

That's more of a petty dispute between them. I'm talking more being true to herself emotionally and mentally. Example: She goes honest with EJ, and he to her, about everything that happened between them. They admit their feelings and are going to give their marriage a try. They make love.. then Lucas comes in, and suddenly all that is washed away, just because King Lucas showed up? That's what I mean.
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peaches179
Jul 15 2008, 06:11 PM
Mason
Jul 15 2008, 05:08 PM
Oh, don't even get me started on Higley's shitty writing for Morgan. Ugh...

Would you just get off your ass and fire this woman already, Corday?

ICAM! The writing for Morgan right now is awful! She is so annoying!!!

Thanks alot Dena, you're really doing an AMAZING job with the females on the show right now!
The only female on the show she's done anything significantly good with is Nicole. God, I didn't like her that much when she was on the show last and she was a pretty one-note character. Now? Oh boy. I think she's probably the most layered, sympathetic character on the show. Not to mention her sense of humor. I love it.

It almost makes up for how bad most the other women are written.. almost.
Edited by Shylock, Jul 15 2008, 07:52 PM.
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IMissAremid
Jul 15 2008, 01:22 PM
Norma Bates works at the post office since Passions got cancelled? :(
That was a very pleasant surprise! I was unspoiled and had no idea I'd be seeing the divine MARIANNE MUELLERLEILLE (sp? lol) on my screen! Incredible.
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Jul 15 2008, 05:08 PM
Oh, don't even get me started on Higley's shitty writing for Morgan. Ugh...

Would you just get off your ass and fire this woman already, Corday?
I'm thinking by the end of the year DH will be gone or there will be some other headline grabbing 'BIG PLAN TO SAVE DAYS'. Days is stupid enough though to keep Higley and let Scott go and let him take They've got plenty of excuses for bad ratings during the summer, Wimbledon, the Olympics, etc. but when Nov. sweeps hits and if Days is still at the bottom, then something is going to change.

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I think (and pray) that Scott is safe. I imagine Sony would be pissed if Corday let him go when they specifically brought him over to help keep the show afloat. Then again, Corday isn't exactly known for acting like a rational human being...
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Jul 16 2008, 01:49 AM
IMissAremid
Jul 15 2008, 01:22 PM
Norma Bates works at the post office since Passions got cancelled? :(
That was a very pleasant surprise! I was unspoiled and had no idea I'd be seeing the divine MARIANNE MUELLERLEILLE (sp? lol) on my screen! Incredible.
LOL IMA

LOL Me 2.
I was expecting her sometime though because VincentCraneFan on NBC said to watch out for her on DOOL.
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