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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,370 Views)
LorrieOw
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If the wiriter's had put a little more thought into what they had to work with, the fans could have what they want, and have it be interesting.

Going back to the Ireland story, instead of having John's mom die off, along with OMB, they could have brought her back to Salem, and had John and Marlena side off against Stefano. Marlena could have helped John work through his identity issues, with the help of his mother, and new uncle Shawn.

Instead of killing off Ava's dad, and having come off her drugs and leave Steve alone, they could have kept her father alive, had Ava off the drugs, but still obsessed with Steve, and trying any way she can to win him back. Causing problems and tension between Steve and Kayla, and have a bog dose of Ava's daddy helping her along.

Hope and Bo could have been busy investigating the Vitali's, etc.

There are so many ways this could have gone, that would have made the fans happy, and kept the ratings going up. IMO
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ladyofthelake
Jul 29 2008, 08:10 PM
LorrieOw
Jul 29 2008, 08:05 PM
Mason
Jul 29 2008, 07:59 PM
LorrieOw
Jul 29 2008, 07:56 PM
Mason
Jul 29 2008, 06:53 PM
If they promoted from within instead of hiring an outside writer, I would imagine Rick Draughon (Higley's current Co-HW) would get the HW job.
So what is the deal with RD? Is he any good? Could he bring Days out of the shitter if allowed to take over?
Eh, I doubt it, personally. Except for an online soap, he's never been a HW before, so there's really no past work to go on.
Couldn't that be a positive though, especially if he is an actual fan of the show. He could bring a freshness and new ideas to the writing.

I have been watching this show since I was six or seven years old, with my mom. I can remember Marie as a nun, for Pete's sake. I remember Dee Hall's real sister actually on the show. I can remember Marlena married to Don Craig, and the SIDS s/l. I still download songs by Gloria Loring to listen to just for nostaligia. I can't stand the thought of Days going off the air.
Wow. We must be about the same age. Remember Maggie's dancing shoes? Addie's death? Wow....good stuff..........
LOL, we all must be around the same age. I remember all that very vividly. And that's the thing: If you're a Days fan, you're a Days fan for life. That's why many of us veteran watchers are so extremely upset over this mess. We have a long and vested interest in Days and hate to see what it has become. Maybe it's better to prepare for the worst but hope for the best.
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Athena


Thanks for the welcome! This seems like a really great board.

By the way, this may be a really stupid question, but why do new storylines cost more money to produce?
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Mason


The thing about Milstein, though, is that she was only really wrapping up the climaxes to JER's stories, and it's not that hard to make that exciting. We never really saw any of her own work. Granted, I liked what I saw, but I'm not sure I'd want her to be the sole HW without an equal Co-HW partner (and not JER, LoL).
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Jul 29 2008, 08:28 PM
Beth Millstein was acting headwriter between Reilly and Hogan and I think she did an amazing job. Her stories were witty and fast moving and romantic. I would love to see her back in the top spot. I'll probably get completely attacked for saying this but I think a co-head writing team of Beth and JER would save the show as long as the producers actually let them write the show. By himself, JER does stupid things but he did seem more in tune with the fans - he just needed someone to toss out his really stupid ideas and inject a little wit and SPEED into his storylines and dialogue and I think Beth would do that.
Beth wrote this - one my all time favorite scenes ... now this was romance at its finest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpVczRaRUpA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m9_wixnCEo&feature=related
Edited by cjknick, Jul 29 2008, 08:49 PM.
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Mason
Jul 29 2008, 08:41 PM
The thing about Milstein, though, is that she was only really wrapping up the climaxes to JER's stories, and it's not that hard to make that exciting. We never really saw any of her own work. Granted, I liked what I saw, but I'm not sure I'd want her to be the sole HW without an equal Co-HW partner (and not JER, LoL).
When was the last time Days had co-Headwriters? How did that work?
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Mason


ladyofthelake
Jul 29 2008, 08:48 PM
Mason
Jul 29 2008, 08:41 PM
The thing about Milstein, though, is that she was only really wrapping up the climaxes to JER's stories, and it's not that hard to make that exciting. We never really saw any of her own work. Granted, I liked what I saw, but I'm not sure I'd want her to be the sole HW without an equal Co-HW partner (and not JER, LoL).
When was the last time Days had co-Headwriters? How did that work?
The last time DAYS had equal Co-HW's was during B&C's 2002-2003 run. Sometimes a HW will have a Co-HW (like Hogan had Meg Kelly, and Higley has Rick Draughon), but they won't necessarily be equal in terms of control of the story (if that makes any sense, LoL).
Edited by Mason, Jul 29 2008, 08:50 PM.
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Jul 29 2008, 08:30 PM
powermouse
Jul 29 2008, 08:28 PM
Beth Millstein was acting headwriter between Reilly and Hogan and I think she did an amazing job. Her stories were witty and fast moving and romantic. I would love to see her back in the top spot. I'll probably get completely attacked for saying this but I think a co-head writing team of Beth and JER would save the show as long as the producers actually let them write the show. By himself, JER does stupid things but he did seem more in tune with the fans - he just needed someone to toss out his really stupid ideas and inject a little wit and SPEED into his storylines and dialogue and I think Beth would do that.
I agree. The ratings during the interim between Reilly and Sheffer were terrific. Granted, that's not a total measure, but they were great. And, of course, Reilly being gone might have brought a lot of fans back. That, and Sheffer's big name.
I can only speak for myself as a longtime viewer (I started watching around the time that RKK was playing Bo) but I enjoyed the summer of 2006 more than I had enjoyed the show in probably about 5 years at that point. My return to active Days watching duty had nothing to do with JER leaving or Hogan arriving. The show was just better and I saw a huge change in quality the minute Hogan's stories started airing. He was all about women being weak, dependent victims or hookers. I just cringed at his portrayal of female characters. I will never ever forget the dialogue between Belle and Shawn when Belle revealed that she was going to become a nurse instead of a fashion designer and how she needed Shawn's permission to go back to school. First of all, why not a doctor? Secondly, it came off as a bad 50s era scene. I was disgusted. Never mind the ridiculous 12/29 attempt to kill EJami by having Sami become a hooker to save Lucas or Hope becoming a gossiping, meddling mother.

When Ed Scott came on board, I definitely saw improvement but it wasn't until the writer's strike that I really started enjoying Days again (the dialogue was terrible but the storylines were consistent and made sense) and it got better and better until May and then it has been all downhill since then with schizophrenic stories and characters. NuJohn has been one of the few constants on the show and it is no wonder that he is one of my favourite characters right now.

I just hate that I don't even know who to blame or whether to have any hope that things will improve. As far as Ed Scott re-writing scripts, I read the blurb over on the WGA site about what is part of an Executive Producers job and it clearly states that Executive Producers are well within their rights to rewrite scripts. It does also say that they have an obligation to discuss changes with the writers though and give them the opportunity to fix the scripts.
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powermouse
Jul 29 2008, 08:50 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 29 2008, 08:30 PM
powermouse
Jul 29 2008, 08:28 PM
Beth Millstein was acting headwriter between Reilly and Hogan and I think she did an amazing job. Her stories were witty and fast moving and romantic. I would love to see her back in the top spot. I'll probably get completely attacked for saying this but I think a co-head writing team of Beth and JER would save the show as long as the producers actually let them write the show. By himself, JER does stupid things but he did seem more in tune with the fans - he just needed someone to toss out his really stupid ideas and inject a little wit and SPEED into his storylines and dialogue and I think Beth would do that.
I agree. The ratings during the interim between Reilly and Sheffer were terrific. Granted, that's not a total measure, but they were great. And, of course, Reilly being gone might have brought a lot of fans back. That, and Sheffer's big name.
I can only speak for myself as a longtime viewer (I started watching around the time that RKK was playing Bo) but I enjoyed the summer of 2006 more than I had enjoyed the show in probably about 5 years at that point. My return to active Days watching duty had nothing to do with JER leaving or Hogan arriving. The show was just better and I saw a huge change in quality the minute Hogan's stories started airing. He was all about women being weak, dependent victims or hookers. I just cringed at his portrayal of female characters. I will never ever forget the dialogue between Belle and Shawn when Belle revealed that she was going to become a nurse instead of a fashion designer and how she needed Shawn's permission to go back to school. First of all, why not a doctor? Secondly, it came off as a bad 50s era scene. I was disgusted. Never mind the ridiculous 12/29 attempt to kill EJami by having Sami become a hooker to save Lucas or Hope becoming a gossiping, meddling mother.

When Ed Scott came on board, I definitely saw improvement but it wasn't until the writer's strike that I really started enjoying Days again (the dialogue was terrible but the storylines were consistent and made sense) and it got better and better until May and then it has been all downhill since then with schizophrenic stories and characters. NuJohn has been one of the few constants on the show and it is no wonder that he is one of my favourite characters right now.

I just hate that I don't even know who to blame or whether to have any hope that things will improve. As far as Ed Scott re-writing scripts, I read the blurb over on the WGA site about what is part of an Executive Producers job and it clearly states that Executive Producers are well within their rights to rewrite scripts. It does also say that they have an obligation to discuss changes with the writers though and give them the opportunity to fix the scripts.
I completely agree. The show holds no interest to me anymore. I love NuJohn but I don't find the time to tune in and just watch him. It does seem like that during the strike, the writing improved through May. Then it was all down hill. Unwatchable to me. Remember we all wanted to hire the strike writers!
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hberg
Jul 29 2008, 08:54 PM
powermouse
Jul 29 2008, 08:50 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 29 2008, 08:30 PM
powermouse
Jul 29 2008, 08:28 PM
Beth Millstein was acting headwriter between Reilly and Hogan and I think she did an amazing job. Her stories were witty and fast moving and romantic. I would love to see her back in the top spot. I'll probably get completely attacked for saying this but I think a co-head writing team of Beth and JER would save the show as long as the producers actually let them write the show. By himself, JER does stupid things but he did seem more in tune with the fans - he just needed someone to toss out his really stupid ideas and inject a little wit and SPEED into his storylines and dialogue and I think Beth would do that.
I agree. The ratings during the interim between Reilly and Sheffer were terrific. Granted, that's not a total measure, but they were great. And, of course, Reilly being gone might have brought a lot of fans back. That, and Sheffer's big name.
I can only speak for myself as a longtime viewer (I started watching around the time that RKK was playing Bo) but I enjoyed the summer of 2006 more than I had enjoyed the show in probably about 5 years at that point. My return to active Days watching duty had nothing to do with JER leaving or Hogan arriving. The show was just better and I saw a huge change in quality the minute Hogan's stories started airing. He was all about women being weak, dependent victims or hookers. I just cringed at his portrayal of female characters. I will never ever forget the dialogue between Belle and Shawn when Belle revealed that she was going to become a nurse instead of a fashion designer and how she needed Shawn's permission to go back to school. First of all, why not a doctor? Secondly, it came off as a bad 50s era scene. I was disgusted. Never mind the ridiculous 12/29 attempt to kill EJami by having Sami become a hooker to save Lucas or Hope becoming a gossiping, meddling mother.

When Ed Scott came on board, I definitely saw improvement but it wasn't until the writer's strike that I really started enjoying Days again (the dialogue was terrible but the storylines were consistent and made sense) and it got better and better until May and then it has been all downhill since then with schizophrenic stories and characters. NuJohn has been one of the few constants on the show and it is no wonder that he is one of my favourite characters right now.

I just hate that I don't even know who to blame or whether to have any hope that things will improve. As far as Ed Scott re-writing scripts, I read the blurb over on the WGA site about what is part of an Executive Producers job and it clearly states that Executive Producers are well within their rights to rewrite scripts. It does also say that they have an obligation to discuss changes with the writers though and give them the opportunity to fix the scripts.
I completely agree. The show holds no interest to me anymore. I love NuJohn but I don't find the time to tune in and just watch him. It does seem like that during the strike, the writing improved through May. Then it was all down hill. Unwatchable to me. Remember we all wanted to hire the strike writers!
ICA!!! Things were better then.....then June came and everything went straight to HE**!!! :soapbox:
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Dr. Chip


It seems odd to me that Nelson is nowhere to be found. It has been a long time since we've heard anything at all from him. We haven't even heard another "Wait till tomorrow." I wonder if a) he and/or TV Guide Canada have been threatened with legal action for what he has reported or b) the information he received was erroneous?

Someone on another board today described Nelson as "a blind squirrel who occasionally comes across a nut." I enjoy reading his columns, but his spoilers never seem all that spoilerish. Or if they're spoilers, they're given out about the same time other sources come forward with spoilers as well. Any thoughts on this?
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Mason
Jul 29 2008, 06:13 PM
If Corday really wanted to fix this show, he'd start by announcing his imminent retirement.
:hail: :hail: :iloveyou:

That would be the biggest first step to getting this fixed!!!
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cjknick
Jul 29 2008, 08:48 PM
powermouse
Jul 29 2008, 08:28 PM
Beth Millstein was acting headwriter between Reilly and Hogan and I think she did an amazing job. Her stories were witty and fast moving and romantic. I would love to see her back in the top spot. I'll probably get completely attacked for saying this but I think a co-head writing team of Beth and JER would save the show as long as the producers actually let them write the show. By himself, JER does stupid things but he did seem more in tune with the fans - he just needed someone to toss out his really stupid ideas and inject a little wit and SPEED into his storylines and dialogue and I think Beth would do that.
Beth wrote this - one my all time favorite scenes ... now this was romance at its finest!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpVczRaRUpA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-m9_wixnCEo&feature=related
Ahh...the good ole days....wonder if we'll ever get those back???
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Well the reality has been more interesting than the show - as of late! :popcorn:

I keep wondering if this is the point where the :shithitfan: has hit the fan and it will get better from here OR is this just the beginning of the end? I mean doesn't days just keep coming back like the energizer bunny? Can anyone remember a time worse then now?
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Sharongate, bitches!

Nelson posted this at The Envelope:

http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1206019864/m/725107202/p/3
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I said on SATURDAY that Dena was going to come back thanks to Ken; no surprise! "Business as usual," yep, thanks! We already know that. When you hire a scab, u pretty much aren't credible.
Edited by Y&RWorldTurner, Jul 29 2008, 09:04 PM.
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Mason


GOD DAMN IT!

FUCK YOU CORDAY! I hope your tires get slashed!

:soapbox: :flipoff:
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Come on peeps WHO are we kidding here? It makes no difference WHO writes for this show, as long as Corday has the slightest bit of control! There could be a monkey writing this show and Corday would still his banana!

They could have a Pulitzer prize winning writer and it wouldn't make a DAMN bit of difference IMO! ;)
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Y&RWorldTurner
Jul 29 2008, 09:04 PM
Nelson posted this at The Envelope:

http://goldderbyforums.latimes.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1206019864/m/725107202/p/3
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I said on SATURDAY that Dena was going to come back thanks to Ken; no surprise! "Business as usual," yep, thanks! We already know that. When you hire a scab, u pretty much aren't credible.
Wow. After all that crap that is alledgedly going down - she came back @*$&#$? Yeah if that is not a "hostile" work environment, I don't know what is. It stands to reason the Exec. Prod. or the HW have to go. I can't see this going on like this with so much bad blood. Way to CYOA, Nelson, by the way.

and wait just a cotton pickin second, is that baby in Tammy's avatar givin me the finger? :laugh:
Edited by hberg, Jul 29 2008, 09:08 PM.
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SON.

OF.

A.

BITCH!


Go to hell, Days. Do not pass "GO," do not collect $200!
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Mason


If Corday really is keeping Higley after EVERYTHING, then DAYS deserves whatever it has coming its way, as far as I'm concerned.
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