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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,363 Views)
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PhoenixRising05
Jul 30 2008, 12:33 AM
Tom is very passionate and has some great ideas. Of course, I doubt he will ever get a HW's position now. Like King said, he has opened up alot and while that is welcome by us, it's not by the TPTB.

Jiggs, Tom merely said at some point the torch needs to be passed, just like what happened in the 80's when Bope, J&M, and Steve and Kayla came on the scene. Days probably should've did it years ago but it kept milking the supercouples and now it's stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's also got so many fans who want different things. That is one of the big issues along with Corday and the writers.
But Days since the 80's has had a bad record of passing the torch.

Bell and Smith when they worked together in the 70's passed the torch in the proper way. They passed it to Mike and David but kept their stories interacted with the characters that people loved.

When Smith, DePriest and Anderson took over in the 80's, they passed teh torch the wrong way and set off the first mass exodus of Days early fans when they completely wrote out Doug & Julie and the predecessors before them wrote out Bill & Laura, and then even Mike and David.

then come the 90's when Langan tried to pass the torch guess what they tried to pull an 80's and wipe out the older set again.

Hogan and gang whether it was Corday's idea or who's again tried to pass the torch last year by writing out the older set.

Do it the way Bell did in the 70's and passing the torch works. The later ways don't.
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After all... tomorrow is another day!

are people in chat tonight? and if so can someone post the link again?
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Jul 30 2008, 12:47 AM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 30 2008, 12:33 AM
Tom is very passionate and has some great ideas. Of course, I doubt he will ever get a HW's position now. Like King said, he has opened up alot and while that is welcome by us, it's not by the TPTB.

Jiggs, Tom merely said at some point the torch needs to be passed, just like what happened in the 80's when Bope, J&M, and Steve and Kayla came on the scene. Days probably should've did it years ago but it kept milking the supercouples and now it's stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's also got so many fans who want different things. That is one of the big issues along with Corday and the writers.
But Days since the 80's has had a bad record of passing the torch.

Bell and Smith when they worked together in the 70's passed the torch in the proper way. They passed it to Mike and David but kept their stories interacted with the characters that people loved.

When Smith, DePriest and Anderson took over in the 80's, they passed teh torch the wrong way and set off the first mass exodus of Days early fans when they completely wrote out Doug & Julie and the predecessors before them wrote out Bill & Laura, and then even Mike and David.

then come the 90's when Langan tried to pass the torch guess what they tried to pull an 80's and wipe out the older set again.

Hogan and gang whether it was Corday's idea or who's again tried to pass the torch last year by writing out the older set.

Do it the way Bell did in the 70's and passing the torch works. The later ways don't.
Oh, I agree Steve. I don't think any passing the torch process would be accepted now. The fanbases wouldn't have it. Hell, most new characters are rejected.

I was just making the point Days should've done it by now because now most of their canvas consists of characters that have been through almost everything you can think of and that means writing and coming up with stories is even harder.
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They would accept it if it was done right. Last year was not the right way at all.

When Bell and Smith and even Ann Marcus passed the torch taking a big portion of the focus from Bill/Laura, Mickey/Maggie and Doug/Julie they did it by first creating stories for the children with the parents.

David's initial story as well as Mike's were just as much Bill/Laura and Doug/Julie stories as Mike & David stories.

Finally they moved away from the main story into their own stories but they were not at the expense of the veteran couples.

Even when Mary Anderson got her own story, her first 2 stories were with Bob Anderson and Phyllis. Also Bob got the other daughter Brooke who was tied to David and the Doug/Julie story.

But Mary's first story was the flirtation with Neil Curtis who was married to her mother at the time. Then she got her love story with Chris Kositchek.

They were 2 tier stories and used to introduce the next generation. The sad thing was that come the 80's, the generation that had been set up so well was written out by the new writers in exchange for their own characters esp. with Smith's new faves - the Bradys and DiMeras. And all that history was thrown out.

I have often wondered if Smith had hard feelings toward William Bell or something and when she returned on her own - it was as if she set out to wipe out all the history of the show. What NBC and the massacre of 1980 had not already wiped out. She was like a totally different writer. Everything that she had learned from working with Lou Scofield and William J. Bell in the 60's and 70's was done away with and she was only influenced now by her time at GH and working with Gloria Monty.
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Sharongate, bitches!

Steve Frame
Jul 30 2008, 01:12 AM
I have often wondered if Smith had hard feelings toward William Bell or something and when she returned on her own - it was as if she set out to wipe out all the history of the show. What NBC and the massacre of 1980 had not already wiped out. She was like a totally different writer. Everything that she had learned from working with Lou Scofield and William J. Bell in the 60's and 70's was done away with and she was only influenced now by her time at GH and working with Gloria Monty.
I've always said that, it seemed like Pat's stint at GH with Monty had a huge impact of the storylines she would go on to write later in her career. She was one of Bill Bell's proteges at DAYS, yet you wouldn't know it baring her first stint at DAYS. She seemed to be too corrupted by Gloria Monty's liking for over the top romance stories coupled with extremely cartoon-ish villains.

The funny thing I've heard is that Monty HATED Smith, and their realtionship wasn't on good terms, but Smith sure did seem to hold on to Monty's vision for a long time.

DAYS became the biggest GH rip-off in the 80's. Yeah, all soaps tried to copy GH's success then (barring Y&R and AMC to an extent), but it was very overtly obvious with DAYS. They were essentially retelling stories that were already done on GH, just using DAYS couples and characters. It's no surprise that DAYS hired GH Head Writer's almost as soon as Monty fired them in the 80's.
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Jul 29 2008, 11:58 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 11:18 PM
I know some will accuse us of taking things off topic with that last stuff, but to make it on subject for those that get mad about that in this thread.

People say that there is interference now and that is why writers can't write. That has nothing to do with it. There has always been interference and there have always been producers and writers who clashed and ruled their soaps with a tight fist. Soaps prospered under them. People knew their place and they came to work and did their job and did it to the best of their ability. They had the talent to do it.

Today they don't. That is the reason I keep coming back to people using the interference excuse as to why these writers can't write. Of course even though JER was interfered with he isn't given any slack, but Hogan is. But that is another story.

Both fall into the same category. They were too petty and lacked the talent to write anything but what they wanted to write. My guess is that with them and with Higley and others it is not that they really don't have the talent - they are just like the child playing baseball and if it is not done his way by his friends then he is going to take his ball and go home.

JER, Higley and Hogan (if they truly were interfered with) were like that child - well if I can't write what I want this is what you are going to get out of me that that is all. I'll hold back my talent and go home.
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Preach It, Brother Steve, Preach It!!! Irna Phillips and Ted Corday may have hated PGP's Robert Short and Ed Trach at the end of the work day but the audience was never the wiser!!! None of the obvious backstage bullshit didn't end up effecting the final result on screen back then like it does nowadays!!!
I think some of that has to do with fans not knowing backstage gossip as easily as fans do today. It seems in today's world its all about the next scoop, who can find the next juicy scoop. The fans know way too much, spoilers included.
but without spoilers i would not watch at all the spoilers being available is the only reason i decide to ever watch it.....i have to know what days are worth my precious time, i dont like a gamble, i wanna know what i am gonna be supporting before i do it
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Steve, there is no way the fanbases would accept that. Yes, general fans would. There is no way the fanbases would. They have a hard time if their couple isn't in spoilers for one week. I can't imagine the reaction there would be to even a gradual process of passing the torch.

As I said, back then if it was done how you suggested, it would've worked. Days's fan landscape is based mostly on these supercouple fanbases and they will never let it happen and Days is to blame for that. They kept it going for so long and now they are out of ideas but can't backburner the characters without backlash so the result is the same stuff over and over again with a different spin on it.
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Jul 30 2008, 12:19 AM
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I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
His dream storyline is to bring on a female character who interacts with everyone but who is troubled and hooks up with Brady Black and goes to Marlena for counseling and eventually we find out it's really Kristen Blake? That's all he needed to say to seal his fate with me LOL
I would love that! And that would give Marlena ample screen time, isn't that a good thing Jiggs?
I'm a quality fan, not a quantity fan. And since Tom said he didn't *get* Marlena, the story would most likely be all about Kristen. Been there, done that.
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Sharongate, bitches!

Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 01:31 AM
Kirk
Jul 30 2008, 12:19 AM
Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 12:15 AM
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Jul 29 2008, 11:55 PM
Jiggs
Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
His dream storyline is to bring on a female character who interacts with everyone but who is troubled and hooks up with Brady Black and goes to Marlena for counseling and eventually we find out it's really Kristen Blake? That's all he needed to say to seal his fate with me LOL
I would love that! And that would give Marlena ample screen time, isn't that a good thing Jiggs?
I'm a quality fan, not a quantity fan. And since Tom said he didn't *get* Marlena, the story would most likely be all about Kristen. Been there, done that.
I don't think any writer has "gotten" Marlena in the past 20 years...
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
Steve, there is no way the fanbases would accept that. Yes, general fans would. There is no way the fanbases would. They have a hard time if their couple isn't in spoilers for one week. I can't imagine the reaction there would be to even a gradual process of passing the torch.

As I said, back then if it was done how you suggested, it would've worked. Days's fan landscape is based mostly on these supercouple fanbases and they will never let it happen and Days is to blame for that. They kept it going for so long and now they are out of ideas but can't backburner the characters without backlash so the result is the same stuff over and over again with a different spin on it.
for me its not so much an issue of my fanbase its the story they gave my favs got me sucked in, excited to watch, caring again, interested everyday what was next then they just yank it away from me, they can backburn my couple to once a week or twice if i am lucky i just wanna watch them i would watch the rest of the stories just knowing sometime that week i will see my couple so i will support the show more as a general viewer i just need what makes me smile, what gives me that happiness. for that whatever else they show, i will tolerate it
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Tricky
Jul 30 2008, 01:26 AM
Kirk
Jul 29 2008, 11:58 PM
Gregorzick
Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
Steve Frame
Jul 29 2008, 11:18 PM
I know some will accuse us of taking things off topic with that last stuff, but to make it on subject for those that get mad about that in this thread.

People say that there is interference now and that is why writers can't write. That has nothing to do with it. There has always been interference and there have always been producers and writers who clashed and ruled their soaps with a tight fist. Soaps prospered under them. People knew their place and they came to work and did their job and did it to the best of their ability. They had the talent to do it.

Today they don't. That is the reason I keep coming back to people using the interference excuse as to why these writers can't write. Of course even though JER was interfered with he isn't given any slack, but Hogan is. But that is another story.

Both fall into the same category. They were too petty and lacked the talent to write anything but what they wanted to write. My guess is that with them and with Higley and others it is not that they really don't have the talent - they are just like the child playing baseball and if it is not done his way by his friends then he is going to take his ball and go home.

JER, Higley and Hogan (if they truly were interfered with) were like that child - well if I can't write what I want this is what you are going to get out of me that that is all. I'll hold back my talent and go home.
:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:


Preach It, Brother Steve, Preach It!!! Irna Phillips and Ted Corday may have hated PGP's Robert Short and Ed Trach at the end of the work day but the audience was never the wiser!!! None of the obvious backstage bullshit didn't end up effecting the final result on screen back then like it does nowadays!!!
I think some of that has to do with fans not knowing backstage gossip as easily as fans do today. It seems in today's world its all about the next scoop, who can find the next juicy scoop. The fans know way too much, spoilers included.
but without spoilers i would not watch at all the spoilers being available is the only reason i decide to ever watch it.....i have to know what days are worth my precious time, i dont like a gamble, i wanna know what i am gonna be supporting before i do it
While I respect that, even as recent as ten years ago spoilers did not tell you who was going to be on each day or what was going to happen word for word. That is what made soaps great. Any spoilers in the mags or in the media were vague. Just enough to get you to watch but not enough to ruin the event. Now, you can get everything and, as bad as soaps are, I still think that makes them worse to watch because you know everything before it happens. The same impact isn't there. Imagine if Samantha's death on Days had taken place in today's climate. There would not have been any surprise. We all would've known it was Samantha and not Marlena. What about Marlena's levitation scene above the bed? That would've been spoiled in today's climate. There is no surprised now. The only show that had surprises was Passions. JER somehow manages to keep alot of stuff out of the press and that is one thing I applaud him for. Passions is the only show that can pull off a surprise or two at times.

Spoilers, especially the detailed ones nowadays, are a big reason for the fall of soaps.
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I always thought that was funny. In the 70's GH wanted The Doctors writers and ABC also wanted NBC's talent. They snatched up Joe Stuart from The Doctors to work on OLTL. As soon as Courtney and Reinholt became available they snatched them up for OLTL.

They snatched up Gerald Gordon and Anna Stuart, both from The Doctors, for GH.

Of course before that they had stolen Denise Alexander for GH from Days.

Then it turned around in the 80's when Days kept trying to get all of GH's writers as soon as they were fired.

Then AW tried in the late 70's and early 80's to get ABC talent hiring Lee Patterson to hopefully steal some of OLTL's audience.

Then The Doctors had hired Doris Quinlan who had been successful at OLTL and hired ABC talents like Katherine Glass, Doris Belack and Nancy Pinkerton and put them in big stories on The Doctors.

It was weird too that CBS pretty much stayed out of these "fights" for a long time until the last few years when they have seemed to cast many of the fired stars from ABC and Days to try and steal the popularity of them.

Alvin I have even heard at one time that NBC put out a mandate to it's shows to copy Monty's style.

SFT was the most blatant I think when they gave Rod Arrants a perm just like Tony Geary's. But of course that was while it was still on CBS. But it just goes with what we said about all of them trying to copy GH at the time.

You mentioned both AMC and Y&R not doing it. I felt too that GL tried to keep some of it's own identity in the early 80's esp. No one had the stories that Marland was doing then. Of course he had stolen Jane Elliot, but the story was so different. And his Nola story was so different than any thing. I still love to remember her fantasies.
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Sorry, I don´t want to burst your bubble or something, but saying sets and budget aren´t important as long as the story is good is nothing short of naive. There is a lot of people who are even refusing watch the old Oscar movies because they´re black and white only. The soaps simply aren´t appealing enough visually to even attract any new viewers. While the production values on primetime is now almost as good as with movies, soaps are looking ugly. If DAYS really had the visual feel of the summer promo, I´m pretty sure it wouldn´t have trouble to attract the younger viewers they so desperately want even with the same stories and characters featured on screen.

Yes, in some ideal world the story is most important, but in reality the show has to attract the viewer first so he even register the story. And the truth is, 99 percent of viewers change the channel the moment any soap starts because they immediatelly recognize the cheap sets, the not post productioned sound and overacting characters. In 80´s the primetime show looked cheaper too while soaps had budget big enough to even go outside here and there. Now the difference is too blatant. Few obsessed hardcore soap fans might not care, but the majority does. Heck, I have friends who refuse to watch anything what´s not in high definition and with 5.1 sound.
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Jul 30 2008, 12:20 AM
But Jiggs, you should read some of his blogs..The guy is very passionate about Days and about the soap genre..And he actually takes time for chat sessions...He's a really cool guy...And a talented script writer..But i do think the head writer position would probably be too much for him to take on..i just wish he hadn't have been screwed over by the writers strike for Dena Higley and her team..
I've read his blog, and listened to his radio interviews. I'm not saying he's not passionate about soaps or doesn't have some good ideas and opinions, I just don't think I would like him as the head writer of Days. He strikes me as being somewhat similar to Higley in that he's interested in telling stories that he's interested in, but nobody else is. (Thank you Erika Slezak).
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Jul 30 2008, 01:33 AM
Tricky
Jul 30 2008, 01:26 AM
Kirk
Jul 29 2008, 11:58 PM
Gregorzick
Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
Steve Frame
Jul 29 2008, 11:18 PM
I know some will accuse us of taking things off topic with that last stuff, but to make it on subject for those that get mad about that in this thread.

People say that there is interference now and that is why writers can't write. That has nothing to do with it. There has always been interference and there have always been producers and writers who clashed and ruled their soaps with a tight fist. Soaps prospered under them. People knew their place and they came to work and did their job and did it to the best of their ability. They had the talent to do it.

Today they don't. That is the reason I keep coming back to people using the interference excuse as to why these writers can't write. Of course even though JER was interfered with he isn't given any slack, but Hogan is. But that is another story.

Both fall into the same category. They were too petty and lacked the talent to write anything but what they wanted to write. My guess is that with them and with Higley and others it is not that they really don't have the talent - they are just like the child playing baseball and if it is not done his way by his friends then he is going to take his ball and go home.

JER, Higley and Hogan (if they truly were interfered with) were like that child - well if I can't write what I want this is what you are going to get out of me that that is all. I'll hold back my talent and go home.
:hail: :hail: :hail: :hail: :hail:


Preach It, Brother Steve, Preach It!!! Irna Phillips and Ted Corday may have hated PGP's Robert Short and Ed Trach at the end of the work day but the audience was never the wiser!!! None of the obvious backstage bullshit didn't end up effecting the final result on screen back then like it does nowadays!!!
I think some of that has to do with fans not knowing backstage gossip as easily as fans do today. It seems in today's world its all about the next scoop, who can find the next juicy scoop. The fans know way too much, spoilers included.
but without spoilers i would not watch at all the spoilers being available is the only reason i decide to ever watch it.....i have to know what days are worth my precious time, i dont like a gamble, i wanna know what i am gonna be supporting before i do it
While I respect that, even as recent as ten years ago spoilers did not tell you who was going to be on each day or what was going to happen word for word. That is what made soaps great. Any spoilers in the mags or in the media were vague. Just enough to get you to watch but not enough to ruin the event. Now, you can get everything and, as bad as soaps are, I still think that makes them worse to watch because you know everything before it happens. The same impact isn't there. Imagine if Samantha's death on Days had taken place in today's climate. There would not have been any surprise. We all would've known it was Samantha and not Marlena. What about Marlena's levitation scene above the bed? That would've been spoiled in today's climate. There is no surprised now. The only show that had surprises was Passions. JER somehow manages to keep alot of stuff out of the press and that is one thing I applaud him for. Passions is the only show that can pull off a surprise or two at times.

Spoilers, especially the detailed ones nowadays, are a big reason for the fall of soaps.
they should maybe try a short term 3 month stint without any spoilers released and test that theory...it may just have an improvement if the stories were truly compelling with romance and couples that have real natural on screen chemistry, i still sigh in adoration watching the early jack and jennifer stuff and bo and hope.
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You know reading all this drama that happened in the past few days, and these more resent posts of backstage gossip from the past, has really made me miss the days of old before I got online and found out about soap message boards.

I don't mean this as an kind of slam or anything. I am just saying that I truly miss the days where I could look at the clock, watch it strike 1 p.m., and say "Hot damn... my shows are on!". I remember dropping what I was doing and heading right for the tv. Hell I used to skip school so I could watch my shows before I had a VCR lol.

It just makes me realize that, when I found soap message boards, I lost my love of my shows. Before I came online... I honestly didn't give a rats ass if the storyline was stupid or dragged on for weeks, or if the dialogue didn't make a lick of sense. I watched regardless. And now, I can read spoilers telling me whats going to happen weeks from now... or I can read about all the stupid petty shit that goes on behind the scenes... well now I see what has sucked my love of soaps right out of me.

Okay rant over lmao... I just got all nostalgic for a minute lmao ;)
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Jul 30 2008, 01:31 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:31 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 12:19 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 12:15 AM
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Jul 29 2008, 11:55 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
His dream storyline is to bring on a female character who interacts with everyone but who is troubled and hooks up with Brady Black and goes to Marlena for counseling and eventually we find out it's really Kristen Blake? That's all he needed to say to seal his fate with me LOL
I would love that! And that would give Marlena ample screen time, isn't that a good thing Jiggs?
I'm a quality fan, not a quantity fan. And since Tom said he didn't *get* Marlena, the story would most likely be all about Kristen. Been there, done that.
I don't think any writer has "gotten" Marlena in the past 20 years...
I just don't think that Days should hire a head writer who doesn't get who the lead heroine is. Just like Higley doesn't get Marlena, nor did she get Viki. Charles Pratt's recent comments about AMC/Erica make sense to me, I only hope he follows through.
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^I personally don't care about sets and all that but I do recall reading posts in spots about how some liked the look of Days in the Fall and winter and tuned in. They thought the lighting and stuff looked good. Today's audience is so different. So many of us on the DR and SON remember the old days but there are many out there that could care less about much of the stuff we want. There are some out there that are happy just seeing an explosion or sex or pretty location shoots or whatever. Gone are the days where the majority of soap fans want in-depth conversations that move story, family moments, etc. I'm not sure what happened to those fans. I guess they just gave up but there are very few left in the broad scheme of things.
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Jiggs
Jul 30 2008, 01:36 AM
Kevc1980
Jul 30 2008, 12:20 AM
But Jiggs, you should read some of his blogs..The guy is very passionate about Days and about the soap genre..And he actually takes time for chat sessions...He's a really cool guy...And a talented script writer..But i do think the head writer position would probably be too much for him to take on..i just wish he hadn't have been screwed over by the writers strike for Dena Higley and her team..
I've read his blog, and listened to his radio interviews. I'm not saying he's not passionate about soaps or doesn't have some good ideas and opinions, I just don't think I would like him as the head writer of Days. He strikes me as being somewhat similar to Higley in that he's interested in telling stories that he's interested in, but nobody else is. (Thank you Erika Slezak).
See, that has always bothered me.

Everyone has different interests so what is interesting to you or to one group may not be to another. That is the problem at Days right now. Too many fans wanting too many different things. That just adds to the problems because when the show does try to listen to fans, they find a bunch of different answers to what they should do. I think that plays into Corday's reactions all the time. He reacts to whatever fan group is upset and then that reaction pisses off another fan group so he reacts to that and so on. It's endless.

Not everyone will always be happy. No matter who has wrote Days in the past decade it always seems like more then half the audience is unhappy no matter what.
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Jul 30 2008, 01:38 AM
You know reading all this drama that happened in the past few days, and these more resent posts of backstage gossip from the past, has really made me miss the days of old before I got online and found out about soap message boards.

I don't mean this as an kind of slam or anything. I am just saying that I truly miss the days where I could look at the clock, watch it strike 1 p.m., and say "Hot damn... my shows are on!". I remember dropping what I was doing and heading right for the tv. Hell I used to skip school so I could watch my shows before I had a VCR lol.

It just makes me realize that, when I found soap message boards, I lost my love of my shows. Before I came online... I honestly didn't give a rats ass if the storyline was stupid or dragged on for weeks, or if the dialogue didn't make a lick of sense. I watched regardless. And now, I can read spoilers telling me whats going to happen weeks from now... or I can read about all the stupid petty shit that goes on behind the scenes... well now I see what has sucked my love of soaps right out of me.

Okay rant over lmao... I just got all nostalgic for a minute lmao ;)
i love my show just as much now being a member of like ten of these boards as i ever did before i was a member. i have only visited soap opera forums for maybe two years now...never before then, thats not affected my love for the show, i have met lots of wonderful ladies mostly and some gents...i have found people to commiserate and celebrate with...i remember the old days too, when i noticed the clock and knew dool was on and couldnt get that channel up fast enough lol, but even then if 6 months, a year went by without me getting what i expect as a viewer i would tune out for 6 months to a year and come back with renewed hope that they care for me as a viewer....maybe appreciate my loyalty just ever so slightly...
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