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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
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Tammy
Jul 30 2008, 02:06 AM
In all honesty, if a person can't write someone to be in character, while in the middle of a well rounded, and thought out plot. Then they honestly have no buisness writing.

These people should have learned in middle school the 5 basics elemets of writting a story: The Plot, The Characters, The Setting, The Conflict, The Theme. I honestly think more people, including fanbases, would be happy if these writers could grasp these basic facts and combine them at the same time.

JMO ;)
and tammy if you dont mind may i add a story that has a beginning, middle and end. with some payoff for the loyal fans...not just s/l that start, stall and then get dropped.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:13 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
I'm not saying all supercouple fans are as some are sensible and very rational. But you do have rabid ones out there and they are one a major contributing factor to the fall of soaps, especially Days.

Seriously, I want to know what can be done with some of these couples that hasn't. Romantic adventures? Check. Digging into the past? Check. Affairs? Check. Baby switches? Check. Countless presumed deaths, kidnappings, and rescues? Check.

I don't know what else you can do without Days doing something that is seen as "been there, done that." The only thing that can be done is taking things and putting new spins on the,. This is daytime drama and eventually characters have to move to the background. It's not primetime where the shows last a certain time and bow out. These shows have lasted more then 40 years most of them. Characters are going to reach a point where you have to start moving from to supporting and let the next generation take over. Otherwise, it's just going around in circles and trying to re-create the past and that is not good storytelling. That's just taking stuff already done, adding things and changing it a bit, and throwing it onscreen.


I don't see why you can't do both. Why you can't write intriguing stories for new characters and older characters. These people are suppose to be creative, talented writers, who get paid millions, and they can't come up with anything but triangles and amnesia stories, yet fans can come up with brilliant ideas that build on established history and keep couples interesting and new. I just can't blame the fans. It's the fact that the people in the soap biz are jaded, inept, and hateful of the fans and the genre itself.

Even though I think James Reilly has lost whatever talent he had, at least you knew that he loved the genre. I think the majority of producers and writers in daytime resent that they are stuck in daytime and their lack of love for it keeps them stuck in a rut where they think their only options are triangles, soap cliches and gimmicks and stunts. They don't know how to embrace the fact that they have a special medium where they can tell stories that you can't tell anywhere else. That you can truly create a character and play out their entire life on screen for years and years.
I'm not just blaming the fans but it has to be said that not everyone has the same mind. We all have our faves and I can imagine that if anyone ever got a HW's job at a show they love, they would be tempted to axe who they dislike and write for who they like. We all criticize but people are human and everyone is different. Some are just incapable of writing for a certain character or couple. It is possible for someone to just not get it. What happens then is they know they have to write for that person if they are popular with fans so the results are usually bad and the character is out of character, making the audience mad. Writing is harder then it looks and what may come easy to us may not come so easily to others. Some shows are easier to write then others. At Days, it's difficult because of all the reasons mentioned. Plus, you have to take into account other factors like budget and how much you can balance the cast and so on. Plus, there is set usage and what each story may require. It's not just write any story and go with it. There is more to it. We all want what we want but we forget the process of getting there. It's not that simple.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:14 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:09 AM
Tammy
Jul 30 2008, 02:06 AM
In all honesty, if a person can't write someone to be in character, while in the middle of a well rounded, and thought out plot. Then they honestly have no buisness writing.

These people should have learned in middle school the 5 basics elemets of writting a story: The Plot, The Characters, The Setting, The Conflict, The Theme. I honestly think more people, including fanbases, would be happy if these writers could grasp these basic facts and combine them at the same time.

JMO ;)
AMEN

Today they change the characters way too often. They change them to match the story instead of making the story work with the character.
They really do. I have no doubt that their thinking is completely ass backwards.
I don't think it is a way of thinking as much as just lack of creativity and talent.

It is a lot easier to change things to meet your story than to make the story work with what you have.

It is easier to rewrite the history than to use your brain to make proposed story work with the history of the character that is known.

It is weird that for instance in the ear of SFT that took place during the whole time of creative writers in the industry. You had a character like Joanne who last 35 years - not once did she have her history rewritten.

In this day and age if the same caliber of writers had been working in the industry at the time, Joanne would have had at least 1 or 2 children she never remembered having - not to mention the whole other set of things that would have happened to her.

Back then if they wanted to introduce a new child into their lives often they had them adopt them like Joanne did with Bruce Carson (well she took him in as a foster child).

The thing is they made things work with the existing history and motivation of the character. That took talent. I think the only hack that worked in soaps during those years was James Lipton. He was the only one that seemed to in the first 35 to 40 years of soaps to want to change the whole history of characters or shows. He did it twice that really stood out - AW in 1965 and then Capitol in the 80's.
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It's in such a state that there really *is* no risk in alienating anybody now, IMHO, because everyone has been, already. The ratings are so bad I can't see anything causing them to plummet further, except maybe a return to pure fantasy. But, at least that would be a deliberate commitment to one vision; the way they're floundering now, it's just a discombobulated wreck that no one can appreciate outside of individual scenes or episodes that somehow manage to rise above the mess.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:20 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:13 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
I'm not saying all supercouple fans are as some are sensible and very rational. But you do have rabid ones out there and they are one a major contributing factor to the fall of soaps, especially Days.

Seriously, I want to know what can be done with some of these couples that hasn't. Romantic adventures? Check. Digging into the past? Check. Affairs? Check. Baby switches? Check. Countless presumed deaths, kidnappings, and rescues? Check.

I don't know what else you can do without Days doing something that is seen as "been there, done that." The only thing that can be done is taking things and putting new spins on the,. This is daytime drama and eventually characters have to move to the background. It's not primetime where the shows last a certain time and bow out. These shows have lasted more then 40 years most of them. Characters are going to reach a point where you have to start moving from to supporting and let the next generation take over. Otherwise, it's just going around in circles and trying to re-create the past and that is not good storytelling. That's just taking stuff already done, adding things and changing it a bit, and throwing it onscreen.


I don't see why you can't do both. Why you can't write intriguing stories for new characters and older characters. These people are suppose to be creative, talented writers, who get paid millions, and they can't come up with anything but triangles and amnesia stories, yet fans can come up with brilliant ideas that build on established history and keep couples interesting and new. I just can't blame the fans. It's the fact that the people in the soap biz are jaded, inept, and hateful of the fans and the genre itself.

Even though I think James Reilly has lost whatever talent he had, at least you knew that he loved the genre. I think the majority of producers and writers in daytime resent that they are stuck in daytime and their lack of love for it keeps them stuck in a rut where they think their only options are triangles, soap cliches and gimmicks and stunts. They don't know how to embrace the fact that they have a special medium where they can tell stories that you can't tell anywhere else. That you can truly create a character and play out their entire life on screen for years and years.
I'm not just blaming the fans but it has to be said that not everyone has the same mind. We all have our faves and I can imagine that if anyone ever got a HW's job at a show they love, they would be tempted to axe who they dislike and write for who they like. We all criticize but people are human and everyone is different. Some are just incapable of writing for a certain character or couple. It is possible for someone to just not get it. What happens then is they know they have to write for that person if they are popular with fans so the results are usually bad and the character is out of character, making the audience mad. Writing is harder then it looks and what may come easy to us may not come so easily to others. Some shows are easier to write then others. At Days, it's difficult because of all the reasons mentioned. Plus, you have to take into account other factors like budget and how much you can balance the cast and so on. Plus, there is set usage and what each story may require. It's not just write any story and go with it. There is more to it. We all want what we want but we forget the process of getting there. It's not that simple.
I think a great idea would be to have an annual soap opera convention where you get writers, critics like Mimi Torchin, producers, executives, and fans together to discuss the medium and try to get on the same page. It couldn't hurt :cheers:
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Jul 30 2008, 02:24 AM
It's in such a state that there really *is* no risk in alienating anybody now, IMHO, because everyone has been, already. The ratings are so bad I can't see anything causing them to plummet further, except maybe a return to pure fantasy. But, at least that would be a deliberate commitment to one vision; the way they're floundering now, it's just a discombobulated wreck that no one can appreciate outside of individual scenes or episodes that somehow manage to rise above the mess.
Which is why I say go for it and try something different. Take a risk. They have nothing left to lose at this point. The show is most likely on borrowed time anyway, sadly.
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Tricky
Jul 30 2008, 02:15 AM
Tammy
Jul 30 2008, 02:06 AM
In all honesty, if a person can't write someone to be in character, while in the middle of a well rounded, and thought out plot. Then they honestly have no buisness writing.

These people should have learned in middle school the 5 basics elemets of writting a story: The Plot, The Characters, The Setting, The Conflict, The Theme. I honestly think more people, including fanbases, would be happy if these writers could grasp these basic facts and combine them at the same time.

JMO ;)
and tammy if you dont mind may i add a story that has a beginning, middle and end. with some payoff for the loyal fans...not just s/l that start, stall and then get dropped.
That is true too lol. The five basic parts to writing a story all have parts within themselves that need to be addressed as well.

When you have a plot you have to have : The Exposition, The Conflict, The Climax, The Resolution. They often skip some of these and then the whole plot is for shit.

When you have character you have to stay true to the character's personality. You have to be able to to let the viewer like or dislike, understand, and make a connection with the characters on the screen.

Then you have to make the setting descriptive. It should contain all details that are essential to the viewer. It should explain to the viewer what they must know in order to follow the story.

And so on and so forth. The people who run these shows need to relialize that writing is an art, and not every Tom, Dick and Harry can do it... even if they are in the profession.

I am sorry to ramble... I was a teacher lmao.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:25 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:20 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:13 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
I'm not saying all supercouple fans are as some are sensible and very rational. But you do have rabid ones out there and they are one a major contributing factor to the fall of soaps, especially Days.

Seriously, I want to know what can be done with some of these couples that hasn't. Romantic adventures? Check. Digging into the past? Check. Affairs? Check. Baby switches? Check. Countless presumed deaths, kidnappings, and rescues? Check.

I don't know what else you can do without Days doing something that is seen as "been there, done that." The only thing that can be done is taking things and putting new spins on the,. This is daytime drama and eventually characters have to move to the background. It's not primetime where the shows last a certain time and bow out. These shows have lasted more then 40 years most of them. Characters are going to reach a point where you have to start moving from to supporting and let the next generation take over. Otherwise, it's just going around in circles and trying to re-create the past and that is not good storytelling. That's just taking stuff already done, adding things and changing it a bit, and throwing it onscreen.


I don't see why you can't do both. Why you can't write intriguing stories for new characters and older characters. These people are suppose to be creative, talented writers, who get paid millions, and they can't come up with anything but triangles and amnesia stories, yet fans can come up with brilliant ideas that build on established history and keep couples interesting and new. I just can't blame the fans. It's the fact that the people in the soap biz are jaded, inept, and hateful of the fans and the genre itself.

Even though I think James Reilly has lost whatever talent he had, at least you knew that he loved the genre. I think the majority of producers and writers in daytime resent that they are stuck in daytime and their lack of love for it keeps them stuck in a rut where they think their only options are triangles, soap cliches and gimmicks and stunts. They don't know how to embrace the fact that they have a special medium where they can tell stories that you can't tell anywhere else. That you can truly create a character and play out their entire life on screen for years and years.
I'm not just blaming the fans but it has to be said that not everyone has the same mind. We all have our faves and I can imagine that if anyone ever got a HW's job at a show they love, they would be tempted to axe who they dislike and write for who they like. We all criticize but people are human and everyone is different. Some are just incapable of writing for a certain character or couple. It is possible for someone to just not get it. What happens then is they know they have to write for that person if they are popular with fans so the results are usually bad and the character is out of character, making the audience mad. Writing is harder then it looks and what may come easy to us may not come so easily to others. Some shows are easier to write then others. At Days, it's difficult because of all the reasons mentioned. Plus, you have to take into account other factors like budget and how much you can balance the cast and so on. Plus, there is set usage and what each story may require. It's not just write any story and go with it. There is more to it. We all want what we want but we forget the process of getting there. It's not that simple.
I think a great idea would to have an annual soap opera convention where you get writers, critics like Mimi Torchin, producers, executives, and fans together to discuss the medium and try to get on the same page. It couldn't hurt :cheers:
It's a nice thought but most of today's critics cater to the shows because they don't want to lose access to spoilers and such. That has hurt this industry too. You have critics that don't do their job and justify stuff they admit themselves is garbage. We all have different opinions but some critics will actually say something is garbage and then go on to try to justify why something was done that way or whatever.

I think it all rests on the show. The show needs to make a decision. It needs to take a risk and it needs to commit to one vision. Either everyone is on the same page or they are out. Period. No questions asked. Stick with that vision and see where it leads and only make changes when needed.
Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jul 30 2008, 02:30 AM.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:26 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:24 AM
It's in such a state that there really *is* no risk in alienating anybody now, IMHO, because everyone has been, already. The ratings are so bad I can't see anything causing them to plummet further, except maybe a return to pure fantasy. But, at least that would be a deliberate commitment to one vision; the way they're floundering now, it's just a discombobulated wreck that no one can appreciate outside of individual scenes or episodes that somehow manage to rise above the mess.
Which is why I say go for it and try something different. Take a risk. They have nothing left to lose at this point. The show is most likely on borrowed time anyway, sadly.
Indeed. I really think most people would welcome it... and even if they didn't, well, as it's been said before, they aren't even happy in the first place. Go kamikaze.

Soap execs really do need to stop letting the rabid fans -- nay, fans in general -- dictate. There are plenty of prime-time shows that do things that would completely piss off the type of soap fans who freak out over plot developments they don't like, yet the majority of people still watch because it's a story, a work of *fiction* and the sane people accept it as such, rather than getting butthurt when their couple breaks up or somebody dies.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:34 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:26 AM
koos
Jul 30 2008, 02:24 AM
It's in such a state that there really *is* no risk in alienating anybody now, IMHO, because everyone has been, already. The ratings are so bad I can't see anything causing them to plummet further, except maybe a return to pure fantasy. But, at least that would be a deliberate commitment to one vision; the way they're floundering now, it's just a discombobulated wreck that no one can appreciate outside of individual scenes or episodes that somehow manage to rise above the mess.
Which is why I say go for it and try something different. Take a risk. They have nothing left to lose at this point. The show is most likely on borrowed time anyway, sadly.
Indeed. I really think most people would welcome it... and even if they didn't, well, as it's been said before, they aren't even happy in the first place. Go kamikaze.

Soap execs really do need to stop letting the rabid fans -- nay, fans in general -- dictate. There are plenty of prime-time shows that do things that would completely piss off the type of soap fans who freak out over plot developments they don't like, yet the majority of people still watch because it's a story, a work of *fiction* and the sane people accept it as such, rather than getting butthurt when their couple breaks up or somebody dies.
Fantastic post. :hail: .

Seriously, the show has tried and it's time for something different. It was going in that direction in late 2006 a bit and then at the end of last year. It needs to go in that direction again. There needs to be a commitment to it though. They can't just try it for 3 months and then bail out like they did with John's death. Do something big to alert everyone and show them a new Days and stick with that for awhile and see what happens. Can't do any worse LOL.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:29 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
It's a nice thought but most of today's critics cater to the shows because they don't want to lose access to spoilers and such. That has hurt this industry too. You have critics that don't do their job and justify stuff they admit themselves is garbage. We all have different opinions but some critics will actually say something is garbage and then go on to try to justify why something was done that way or whatever.

I think it all rests on the show. The show needs to make a decision. It needs to take a risk and it needs to commit to one vision. Either everyone is on the same page or they are out. Period. No questions asked. Stick with that vision and see where it leads and only make changes when needed.
Actually there are a couple of good critics that I can think of that don't suck up to anyone: Mimi Torchin and Marlena Delacroix (I'm sure there must be more)... but it's a convention so you could have a panel with people that suck up and those that don't LOL Lynn Leahey vs Mimi Torchin! Woo hoo!

I think what DAYS needs is a strong writer who has a clear vision and knows the history. Then Corday can do what he usually does and let them do their job and go on vacation and write his music.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:29 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
It's a nice thought but most of today's critics cater to the shows because they don't want to lose access to spoilers and such. That has hurt this industry too. You have critics that don't do their job and justify stuff they admit themselves is garbage. We all have different opinions but some critics will actually say something is garbage and then go on to try to justify why something was done that way or whatever.

I think it all rests on the show. The show needs to make a decision. It needs to take a risk and it needs to commit to one vision. Either everyone is on the same page or they are out. Period. No questions asked. Stick with that vision and see where it leads and only make changes when needed.
Actually there are a couple of good critics that I can think of that don't suck up to anyone: Mimi Torchin and Marlena Delacroix (I'm sure there must be more)... but it's a convention so you could have a panel with people that suck up and those that don't LOL Lynn Leahey vs Mimi Torchin! Woo hoo!

I think what DAYS needs is a strong writer who has a clear vision and knows the history. Then Corday can do what he usually does and let them do their job and go on vacation and write his music.
Oh, I know these are still some good critics but it's likely they won't be invited to such an event. TPTB will just invite their buddies who cater to their every whim.

No matter who is hired as writer, Corday will still be involved, pushing his agenda. That is why the show has lacked vision for so long. There are times when it's cohesive and rolling (most likely when a writer first starts and his free reign) and then everything falls off and you have things sputtering in different directions. If they could just limit Corday to business (since you can never get rid of him) and keep him away from the show and the creative process, I suspect you would see a much more cohesive product with solid direction. Certainly, you would have a show committed to one direction and not all over the place.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:29 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:15 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:06 AM
In all honesty, if a person can't write someone to be in character, while in the middle of a well rounded, and thought out plot. Then they honestly have no buisness writing.

These people should have learned in middle school the 5 basics elemets of writting a story: The Plot, The Characters, The Setting, The Conflict, The Theme. I honestly think more people, including fanbases, would be happy if these writers could grasp these basic facts and combine them at the same time.

JMO ;)
and tammy if you dont mind may i add a story that has a beginning, middle and end. with some payoff for the loyal fans...not just s/l that start, stall and then get dropped.
That is true too lol. The five basic parts to writing a story all have parts within themselves that need to be addressed as well.

When you have a plot you have to have : The Exposition, The Conflict, The Climax, The Resolution. They often skip some of these and then the whole plot is for shit.

When you have character you have to stay true to the character's personality. You have to be able to to let the viewer like or dislike, understand, and make a connection with the characters on the screen.

Then you have to make the setting descriptive. It should contain all details that are essential to the viewer. It should explain to the viewer what they must know in order to follow the story.

And so on and so forth. The people who run these shows need to relialize that writing is an art, and not every Tom, Dick and Harry can do it... even if they are in the profession.

I am sorry to ramble... I was a teacher lmao.
i agree wholeheartedly tammy, i am sick to death of storylines that leave too much room for personal interpretation...created to keep pitting fanbases againest each other, with no clear sense of the direction they are headed...i am tired of feeling like tryin to figure out my characters motivations and what goals they are tryin to achieve in what they do and say...its like a guessing game, a maze in the dark, if i want mystery i will turn on masterpiece theater...i like my characters in shades of gray, i need the dialogue to be gripping but at the same time black and white when it comes to showing me where this story is going or at least narrow it down to two or three possible outcomes that could be for this couples or characters storyline...i almost sometimes would love little cartoon bubbles over my favs heads so i know what they are thinking...
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Jul 30 2008, 02:43 AM
i almost sometimes would love little cartoon bubbles over my favs heads so i know what they are thinking...
LMFAO Pop Up Video... DAYS Style :P
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I don't think TPTB need pop up bubbles over a charcter's head to know what they are thinking but the occasional voice over wouldn't hurt.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:37 AM
Fantastic post. :hail: .

Seriously, the show has tried and it's time for something different. It was going in that direction in late 2006 a bit and then at the end of last year. It needs to go in that direction again. There needs to be a commitment to it though. They can't just try it for 3 months and then bail out like they did with John's death. Do something big to alert everyone and show them a new Days and stick with that for awhile and see what happens. Can't do any worse LOL.


It was after the show had started reverting, but the week that Stefano was put into a coma was full of suspense and intense acting. I was glued to my screen on the final episode. Even the eps around where John came back were full of style and flair, and the end of the Ireland storyline, as botched as it was, produced some old-school, deliberately paced, emotional scenes that I still remember fondly. Alas, it was just a string of good scenes, if not good episodes, and it didn't last. I wasn't watching in late '06, but it had to have been better than now!
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Jul 30 2008, 02:26 AM
Fantastic post. :hail: .

Seriously, the show has tried and it's time for something different. It was going in that direction in late 2006 a bit and then at the end of last year. It needs to go in that direction again. There needs to be a commitment to it though. They can't just try it for 3 months and then bail out like they did with John's death. Do something big to alert everyone and show them a new Days and stick with that for awhile and see what happens. Can't do any worse LOL.
It was after the show had started reverting, but the week that Stefano was put into a coma was full of suspense and intense acting. I was glued to my screen on the final episode. Even the eps around where John came back were full of style and flair, and the end of the Ireland storyline, as botched as it was, produced some old-school, deliberately paced, emotional scenes that I still remember fondly. Alas, it was just a string of good scenes, if not good episodes, and it didn't last. I wasn't watching in late '06, but it had to have been better than now!
It certainly was.

It's sad because as botched as the Santeen ending was, the Colleen stuff, especially her death, was heartbreaking and well-done. Days rocked in January and February and I will even say it did in March as Bo's illness involved alot of the cast. It just seems like in April things dragged and then May things transitioned and in the process things were dropped and Days was reluctant to pick a direction on many things. It was seemingly fishing for answers until recently and now most stories seem to have a direction. It's better but I do think the show needs to take a risk and upset the applecart, say we say. In the 90's, it made a commitment to go where it and no other soap had gone before with JER and it worked. While it alienated many fans and even pissed me off a bit too, it brought on lots of new fans. Sure, if you do something like that again the same will likely happen and it will come back to bite you later but Days may not have a later if it doesn't do something drastic. It would be ironic too if after Days went from what it was in the early 90's to what JER made it that it would go back to hints of what it was before JER now to try to save the show again only this time it would be minus an overemphasis on supercouples, rabid fanbase pandering, and so on. There would be a commitment to quality, character-driven material and to simply telling good, dramatic stories that entertain and engross the viewer.
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Jul 29 2008, 06:19 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 06:17 PM
Don't be surprised if Dena Higley is back but then slips out quietly in a few more weeks or months. A little bird has told me that a new head writer is already being considered, and she's NOT from Y&R. She would bring a certain, um, ethnic perspective badly needed on this show.
Not Kola!!
Who is Kola?
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Jul 29 2008, 06:32 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 06:25 PM
Okay....who or what the fuck is Kola Bola??


Hey, has anyone heard from King?
Former Days writer, she was there right around the time Hogan started. She's also the former "sex slave" of Osama bin Laden. He held her captive for like four years or something...

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Anyway, she was a poster at both SON and WoST (World of Soap Themes) when she was at Days. There was tons of controversy surrounding her though, so TPTB at Days let her go. She gave several audio interviews with the people at WoST, and she has a very distinct voice/accent so we know it was definitely her. Anyway, she posted at SON under the name "ErikaKane4Life" but nobody knew it was her. She would post crazy things at SON about herself and then post at WoST pretending to be upset about what was being posted about her at SON. Basically, she pitted the two boards against one another and lots of people who defended her (including myself) ended up with egg on their face in the end. She even brought my ass into it, asking me to push her bullshit "scoops" at SON when it was all a load of self-serving crap designed just to keep her name in the buzz. I figured out what was going on and brought it up to both Errol and Brian at WoST. Eventually SON and WoST put their heads together to find out that ErikaKane4Life was actually Kola and she had been deceiving both sites. Pretty shitty, considering that she had actually forged friendships and gained the trust of many people that she was actually just using to further her ridiculous agenda. Anyway, she was banned, the administrator of WoST cut ties with her and we haven't heard from her since.

Until...
I think I remember some of those things. I was a new member at SON during that time but didn't post much. Did she actually write stuff that we saw on-screen?
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ladyofthelake
Jul 29 2008, 08:29 PM
cjknick
Jul 29 2008, 08:26 PM
no matter who is writing for Days there is a problem - Day's is a writer's nightmare - why...

1. Supercouple Mania - what more can writers do with these supercouples? been there done that. If you break them up you are screwed, if you keep them together it's boring. Past the torch to the younger generation and the writers are accused of backburning the fan favorite couples and the younger more exciting couples get trashed.

2. History - man are the Days fans sticklers for sticking to history. Writer's who fail to know the history are blasted for re-writing history.

3. Tiny weeny Budget - no budget for sets, no budget for extra's, no budget for more breakdown and dialogue writer's, No big events, weddings are to be off screen or limited to 12 guests. No beds - characters have sex on couches in Salem. No real babies. NO BUDGET.... make it work.

4. New storylines cost money - so just make old storylines last FOREVER! And make sure that a day in Salem lasts 3 weeks saves on the costume budget.

5. Remember writers' are lower than dirt if the ratings are in the toliet - expect to be fired!
BUT, the interims between Reilly and Sheffer did OK. And actually, Sheffer was doing OK originally. There are sparks and hints of goodness. I still think Corday has his fingers in too many pies at the wrong time. Perhaps he's not around, and things run smoothly. He shows up and forces his own will.
I don't know. They need to study the formula of OLTL. Granted it's slowed down some, but it's still heads and shoulders above this show.
It just might be too late,period.
IMO the only good writers the show has had for the last 10 years have been Brash and Cwikly.

But are there different kinds of co-headwriters? Because B&C seemed to have 50/50 power while Sheffer seemed to have more power then Kelly.
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