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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,360 Views)
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Dr. Chip
Jul 29 2008, 09:33 PM
You know, I said when I heard that Joe Mascolo was returning that it wouldn't be long until Dena got the boot. Even if Corday is begging her to stay today, he can knife her in the back next week. Joe certainly wasn't a fan after she left him in a coma for all these months and decided not to write for him. I wonder if Dena knows he's coming back yet, because it's only a few days away. Maybe Ed Scott and his pet penned Stefano's return? "Shhh. Joe Mascolo is pissed and said so in public. We're going to bring him back. Shhh. Don't anyone tell Dena."

Who knows what's going on anymore? :-)
Joe said on his site that he had a meeting with Dena about storyline possibilities for Stefano.
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Jul 29 2008, 10:16 PM
Dr. Chip
Jul 29 2008, 09:15 PM
THIS JUST IN: Deidre Hall, Drake Hogestyn, Peter Reckell, and Kristian Alfonso all just walked off the set. They apparently said "screw you" and "sue us" to Ken Corday. It's heartbreaking. They're furious with Ken because he just keeps getting dumber and dumber, and they're sick of it. Ken allegedly told someone close to the actors that he plans to apologize profusely and get them to change their minds.
UPDATE: Other media sources are saying the actors are still working and are still on the show. Well, I told you Ken was going to get them back.

Is this a game anyone can play?

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm beginning to believe a certain columnist has egg all over his face.
WTF, IS THIS REALLY TRUE THESE ACTORS ARE GONE!!!
OH MY GOD, IF IT IS TRUE, WAIT UNTILL IT HITS THE AIR WAVES!!!
IF THEY ARE GONE,THEN DAYS CAN R.I.P. FOR GOOD WITH THE CREATORS OF THE SHOW (MR. & MRS. C.)!!!
I AM SO UPSET!!!
I CAN BELIEVE THIS HAPPEN, THE 2 BEST SUPERCOUPLE GONE!!!
Thanks for confirming what I already knew about a certain fanbase.
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Jul 30 2008, 01:49 AM
Personally I think the general fans of Days are made up of fanbases, and supercouple fans. The problem with soaps now is that they are trying to turn soaps into shows full of random characters that switch partners at the drop of a hat, with no build up and no romance. There is a reason Days brags about its supercouples to this day, and it's because they were the bread and butter of the soap in its heyday... sadly they can't find any writers who know how to write for them anymore. And so they stumble trying to create new supercouples with predestined anointing, and it fails.

I think it's a mistake to blame supercouple fans for the downfall of soaps. It's the writers and producers who have this notion that you can't write for a couple once they are married because that automatically means they are boring. Yet it works on prime time. They lack the creative skills that most fans have.

But, that's a whole other topic :wink:
I agree. If they wrote well-rounded plots for the supercouples and younger actors together, the supercouple fans and new fans alike would get the chance to know the newer couples naturally. Vet vs. young doesn't work. You need synergy between them, growing together, not competing. There are stories out there, they just need a writer who knows how to create them.

Why would I want to root for a newer couple when I know they'll just change partners the next week.
Edited by Kyrai, Jul 30 2008, 05:20 AM.
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Jul 29 2008, 11:18 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 10:34 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 10:32 PM
Tammy
Jul 29 2008, 10:26 PM
OMG lmao... EVERYONE LISTEN! The remark about Deidre, Drake, PR and KA WAS NOT TRUE! Someone was using it as a example!
I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT, WHY WOULD SOMEBODY MAKE A EXAMPLE OUT OF IT AND USING THOSE 4 NAMES, SORRY I DON'T GET IT!!!
Trust me, I think it's a pretty safe bet that it's not really happening, LoL.
OK, I WILL TAKE YOUR WORD FOR IT AND TAMMY'S TOO!!!
I WAS HOPING IT WASN'T TRUE!!!
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Jul 30 2008, 01:38 AM
You know reading all this drama that happened in the past few days, and these more resent posts of backstage gossip from the past, has really made me miss the days of old before I got online and found out about soap message boards.

I don't mean this as an kind of slam or anything. I am just saying that I truly miss the days where I could look at the clock, watch it strike 1 p.m., and say "Hot damn... my shows are on!". I remember dropping what I was doing and heading right for the tv. Hell I used to skip school so I could watch my shows before I had a VCR lol.

It just makes me realize that, when I found soap message boards, I lost my love of my shows. Before I came online... I honestly didn't give a rats ass if the storyline was stupid or dragged on for weeks, or if the dialogue didn't make a lick of sense. I watched regardless. And now, I can read spoilers telling me whats going to happen weeks from now... or I can read about all the stupid petty shit that goes on behind the scenes... well now I see what has sucked my love of soaps right out of me.

Okay rant over lmao... I just got all nostalgic for a minute lmao ;)
lol, you made me nostalgic. I've been thinking the same way. When you used to watch the cliffhangers, you were on the edge of your seat waiting, wondering how it would pan out. Hoping it goes the way you want. When it did, it was great, when they threw a monkeywrench at you, you wanted to throw something at the tv. I'd call my friends, and we'd rant and rave or be excited. It was very different.

Now, I just wait for a scene I think I'll like because I saw previews 2 weeks before. There are pros and cons both ways, but I miss that fun and excitement of the moment.
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Jul 29 2008, 11:55 PM
Jiggs
Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
For some reason the J&M fans hate Tom even though he was one of the writers that wrote great material for Deidre this past winter.
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Jul 30 2008, 12:08 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 12:01 AM
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Jul 29 2008, 06:44 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 06:39 PM
I swear, I wish that half of the shit I know now about Days that I never knew then would just be repressed. I wish I was still a DAYS: Behind the Scenes virgin. There have been some crazy ass people working in and around Days.

So, what?! Now this Koala person is coming back to Days as HW....possibly? Or is this a joke.

Thanks Kenny!
No way she's coming back to the show. I'm pretty sure TPTB at Days know what happened with her because it was a scandal all across the soap web at the time. Plus, she opened her mouth way too much and revealed far too much behind-the-scenes stuff in those interviews with WoST -- no way would they trust her to work at the show again. She's a weirdo and a loose cannon.
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Does he not like J&M or something?

I don't think he would be the best HW of all time like some seem to believe, but what's not to like about Tom Casiello? He loves and has passion for the soap genre, grew up watching soaps, and is very dedicated from what I can tell and just wants a chance at writing good soap. I know if I were hiring someone that's all the qualities I would be looking for.
Tom said he would get rid all the Vets and only have young ones on!!!!
Sorry I won't be watching!!!
You mean like Sheri Anderson did in the precious 80s?
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Jul 30 2008, 01:12 AM
They would accept it if it was done right. Last year was not the right way at all.

When Bell and Smith and even Ann Marcus passed the torch taking a big portion of the focus from Bill/Laura, Mickey/Maggie and Doug/Julie they did it by first creating stories for the children with the parents.

David's initial story as well as Mike's were just as much Bill/Laura and Doug/Julie stories as Mike & David stories.

Finally they moved away from the main story into their own stories but they were not at the expense of the veteran couples.

Even when Mary Anderson got her own story, her first 2 stories were with Bob Anderson and Phyllis. Also Bob got the other daughter Brooke who was tied to David and the Doug/Julie story.

But Mary's first story was the flirtation with Neil Curtis who was married to her mother at the time. Then she got her love story with Chris Kositchek.

They were 2 tier stories and used to introduce the next generation. The sad thing was that come the 80's, the generation that had been set up so well was written out by the new writers in exchange for their own characters esp. with Smith's new faves - the Bradys and DiMeras. And all that history was thrown out.

I have often wondered if Smith had hard feelings toward William Bell or something and when she returned on her own - it was as if she set out to wipe out all the history of the show. What NBC and the massacre of 1980 had not already wiped out. She was like a totally different writer. Everything that she had learned from working with Lou Scofield and William J. Bell in the 60's and 70's was done away with and she was only influenced now by her time at GH and working with Gloria Monty.
I think that's what SSM and LB wanted to do in 1999 with the teens but Corday and Langan did not.
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Jul 30 2008, 01:35 AM
Sorry, I don´t want to burst your bubble or something, but saying sets and budget aren´t important as long as the story is good is nothing short of naive. There is a lot of people who are even refusing watch the old Oscar movies because they´re black and white only. The soaps simply aren´t appealing enough visually to even attract any new viewers. While the production values on primetime is now almost as good as with movies, soaps are looking ugly. If DAYS really had the visual feel of the summer promo, I´m pretty sure it wouldn´t have trouble to attract the younger viewers they so desperately want even with the same stories and characters featured on screen.

Yes, in some ideal world the story is most important, but in reality the show has to attract the viewer first so he even register the story. And the truth is, 99 percent of viewers change the channel the moment any soap starts because they immediatelly recognize the cheap sets, the not post productioned sound and overacting characters. In 80´s the primetime show looked cheaper too while soaps had budget big enough to even go outside here and there. Now the difference is too blatant. Few obsessed hardcore soap fans might not care, but the majority does. Heck, I have friends who refuse to watch anything what´s not in high definition and with 5.1 sound.
Exactly! That's one of the major reasons american soaps are hated by the mainstream viewers here in Sweden. My friends keep asking me how I can watch Days, and they always comment on how bad the picture is since soaps are using other cameras then prime time and movies. But the sets are not only bad on soaps but on sitcoms to.
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Tom C. said he and the other writers on Sheffer's team did not get J&M at first, which is why they were bb from August to October 06 and again from January to June of 07 and then used sparingly as literacy professionals reading those stupid letters all of Summer 07. He also indicated he thought John's character had become a "buffoon". So you will excuse us Marlena, Jarlena, and John fans who don't want this guy who came in with a blatant disrespect for a major fanbase and acted on it.

And yes he did write some of John's funeral scenes however that was one week of a year and a half stint. He did not claim to write Marlena in December so he will not get all of the credit for that either as there was indeed a team in place. He claims to be a fan of Days however any "fan" of the show would know who Bope and Jarlena are to the show. To reduce them to reading teachers to prop Ejami was insulting and they deserved the 1.8's that they got by August 2007.

As far as I am concerned there is good reason for J&M fans not to like him but you all make up your own minds.
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Jul 30 2008, 06:29 AM
Tom C. said he and the other writers on Sheffer's team did not get J&M at first, which is why they were bb from August to October 06 and again from January to June of 07 and then used sparingly as literacy professionals reading those stupid letters all of Summer 07. He also indicated he thought John's character had become a "buffoon". So you will excuse us Marlena, Jarlena, and John fans who don't want this guy who came in with a blatant disrespect for a major fanbase and acted on it.

And yes he did write some of John's funeral scenes however that was one week of a year and a half stint. He did not claim to write Marlena in December so he will not get all of the credit for that either as there was indeed a team in place. He claims to be a fan of Days however any "fan" of the show would know who Bope and Jarlena are to the show. To reduce them to reading teachers to prop Ejami was insulting and they deserved the 1.8's that they got by August 2007.

As far as I am concerned there is good reason for J&M fans not to like him but you all make up your own minds.
Just keeping it real ... the ratings of 1.8 did not actually come until Days switched time slot with Passion after Passion left the network and Days was THEE ONLY soap on NBC that was in Sept. There was one 1.8 during the summer but that was week of the 4th of July heavy vet week and on only 3 days.

Days was actually doing better last year compared to this year. JUST keeping it real!
Edited by cjknick, Jul 30 2008, 06:38 AM.
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Jul 30 2008, 06:29 AM
Tom C. said he and the other writers on Sheffer's team did not get J&M at first, which is why they were bb from August to October 06 and again from January to June of 07 and then used sparingly as literacy professionals reading those stupid letters all of Summer 07. He also indicated he thought John's character had become a "buffoon". So you will excuse us Marlena, Jarlena, and John fans who don't want this guy who came in with a blatant disrespect for a major fanbase and acted on it.

And yes he did write some of John's funeral scenes however that was one week of a year and a half stint. He did not claim to write Marlena in December so he will not get all of the credit for that either as there was indeed a team in place. He claims to be a fan of Days however any "fan" of the show would know who Bope and Jarlena are to the show. To reduce them to reading teachers to prop Ejami was insulting and they deserved the 1.8's that they got by August 2007.

As far as I am concerned there is good reason for J&M fans not to like him but you all make up your own minds.
you realize there's a difference between the head writers who dictate story direction, and the people just writing the scripts based on that, right?
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Jul 30 2008, 06:36 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 06:29 AM
Tom C. said he and the other writers on Sheffer's team did not get J&M at first, which is why they were bb from August to October 06 and again from January to June of 07 and then used sparingly as literacy professionals reading those stupid letters all of Summer 07. He also indicated he thought John's character had become a "buffoon". So you will excuse us Marlena, Jarlena, and John fans who don't want this guy who came in with a blatant disrespect for a major fanbase and acted on it.

And yes he did write some of John's funeral scenes however that was one week of a year and a half stint. He did not claim to write Marlena in December so he will not get all of the credit for that either as there was indeed a team in place. He claims to be a fan of Days however any "fan" of the show would know who Bope and Jarlena are to the show. To reduce them to reading teachers to prop Ejami was insulting and they deserved the 1.8's that they got by August 2007.

As far as I am concerned there is good reason for J&M fans not to like him but you all make up your own minds.
Just keeping it real ... the ratings of 1.8 did not actually come until Days switched time slot with Passion after Passion left the network and Days was THEE ONLY soap on NBC that was in Sept. There was one 1.8 during the summer but that was week of the 4th of July heavy vet week and on only 3 days.

Days was actually doing better last year compared to this year. JUST keeping it real!
I could be off by a month or so but by September days still had 1.8 weeks as shown here http://www.dayscafe.com/ratings.html . They may have done better than this year, but my point about Tom C. still stands.

I was not doing a comparision of whether his year is doing better in the ratings than last but last years was low for days as the summer prior to that was 2.6. Thi simply shows a steady decline each summer. Indeed although I hated last summer, I admit I watched. This summer I quit watching .
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Jul 29 2008, 09:29 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 08:30 PM
. And, of course, Reilly being gone might have brought a lot of fans back. That, and Sheffer's big name.
The ratings doesn't look that way...
I was talking about that interim time in 2006, not now. The ratings from summer 2006 til mid-winter 2007 were pretty good. People were excited about Reilly being gone. They were hyped about the big name writer coming on. They were willing to give the show another chance. THAT'S what I was talking about. 2.6 ratings in 2006 for DAys was pretty doggone good.
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Jul 30 2008, 02:08 AM
I agree with what Gregorzick is saying.

And when you factor in what Jane said, then Days has no chance - so why not get rid of it now.

If fans don't want to watch a show with a lower budget that doesn't look that good then why keep trying. The budgets aren't going to go up. So why try.

I know there are a new breed of fans out there. But it will come a time when fans have to say esp. fans of a couple or whatever is which do they want the show or the couple or whatever.

One has got to go. As the budgets drop the salaries can't be met. Fans as Jane said want the elaborate. So to me soaps have no chance esp. ones that keep getting their budgets cut and are lower rated.

I know that some of what Jane says is true. I just hope that it is not as wide as she made it sound.

I think it is proven by the number of fans that still turn into The Price Is Right with it's still older look and all. I think when they modernize it they will finally put the nail in it that many predicted this year would bring.

People want the familiar more than anything. They want characters they care about. They want good stories. They want excitement. They want cliffhangers. I think soaps would still have a chance if they gave them that. I think there are other ways they can push the envelope too without being as elaborate as some want them to be. None of the HBO and Showtime shows seems to have big elaborate sets and they seem to always be popular. Queer as Folk definitely didn't have great elaborate sets. Neither did Oz and they were both very successful.
You can't compare Oz with Days. Oz was a show about prison, during their six seasons they had very little outdoor scenes, mostly in the prisoners crime flashbacks. But Days is supposed to take place in a whole town called Salem.
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Jul 29 2008, 09:31 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 08:30 PM
. And, of course, Reilly being gone might have brought a lot of fans back. That, and Sheffer's big name.
The ratings doesn't look that way...
They did when Reilly first left.

I think among those of the online crew the news of Reilly's leaving really helped the atmosphere too. It was an upbeat time to be a Days fan - plus that summer was great.

It hasn't been a good thing to be a Days fan (at least not for me anyway) since that summer.
Thank you! :D
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So wait.. Tom C. said that he and the rest of Hogan's team didn't GET J&M and THAT'S why they were backburnered? I thought Corday MADE them bakcburner them... Interesting.. I always suspected Hogan did it himself and he was not pushed into it by Corday...
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Jul 30 2008, 06:44 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 06:29 AM
Tom C. said he and the other writers on Sheffer's team did not get J&M at first, which is why they were bb from August to October 06 and again from January to June of 07 and then used sparingly as literacy professionals reading those stupid letters all of Summer 07. He also indicated he thought John's character had become a "buffoon". So you will excuse us Marlena, Jarlena, and John fans who don't want this guy who came in with a blatant disrespect for a major fanbase and acted on it.

And yes he did write some of John's funeral scenes however that was one week of a year and a half stint. He did not claim to write Marlena in December so he will not get all of the credit for that either as there was indeed a team in place. He claims to be a fan of Days however any "fan" of the show would know who Bope and Jarlena are to the show. To reduce them to reading teachers to prop Ejami was insulting and they deserved the 1.8's that they got by August 2007.

As far as I am concerned there is good reason for J&M fans not to like him but you all make up your own minds.
you realize there's a difference between the head writers who dictate story direction, and the people just writing the scripts based on that, right?
I don't blame him for all of the storylines but he said Sheffers team did not get J&M. So I am basing my judgement as are other J&M fans on what he said. While he doesn't have to like J&M, to disregard the thousands of fans who did and berate the character of John, indicates a lack of respect to us fans. It would be similar to a new writer coming in and saying, I don't like Ejami so I am going to split them up. This would be a lack of respect to those that love and rooted for Ejami for two years. You don't have to like Ejami but you have to know there is a fan base out there that is yammering for them.
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Jul 29 2008, 09:42 PM
I was asking questions, but I'm not intending to attack Nelson or fail to give him credit. I used to be a journalist, and I know the importance of checking your facts and getting your sources together before reporting anything. I'm just wondering if someone jumped the gun and gave him some bad information, and he was eager to report it, and now no one is confirming his story? I can see DAYS/Corday denying that anything's wrong. We all know how Ken's nose grows every time he opens his mouth.

I saw Nelson's post earlier today saying that more was coming, but nothing has come. I'm wondering if DAYS' lawyers, fearful about the WGA mess, have threatened TV Guide Canada and now TV Guide Canada is telling Nelson to keep a low profile until this gets sorted out?
Dr. Chip, I will have to say I can certainly understand your hesitation.
Here's how I see it (and I've mentioned this before): The truth lies somewhere in the middle. To me, I think exaggerated terms were used. Honestly, I don't think the word "diva" works in this context. I'm not so sure "heartbreaking" does, either. When I see "diva", I see a woman demanding the limelight and bottled water for her bath and an entourage. That's an overblown definition, sure. But I don't think the actress in question did this for the limelight. I think she did it because she's sick and tired of a show she loves and a character she practically grew up with going down the toilet.
I honestly think that the actress in question (and probably her acting partner in question) felt frustrated enough with things that, after going through the proper channels and getting no results, went to Ed Scott. He was probably frustrated too, and they took a chance. I'm not even sure about the artifacts in evidence.
If anyone was a diva in this situation, I feel it was Dena Higley. I'm just basing this on the timbre of her blogs. I think Dena could possibly be slightly overly emotional about things. I think she could be the type who would react when her back was against the wall, like the WSA investigation.
So, the SOD blurb is probably damage control, because maybe things are status quo.Dena walked off pissed, and Corday begged her to come back. I mean, I've seen posters at Sony whine about being mad and saying "this is it! I'm leaving" and getting all dramatic only so other posters would beg them to stay.
I have seen other reliable board monitors mention they wouldn't touch this, but they wouldn't deny it. So, there is some truth in there somewhere. The thing is, was the wording enough to get TV Guide into trouble?
The whole thing was probably a series of knee-jerk reactions. Now, the big problem is morale. If people are that whiny over there and if Corday is dumb enough to fall for her bluff (IF my speculations are true), then he's still the biggest problem they have.
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Jul 30 2008, 06:54 AM
So wait.. Tom C. said that he and the rest of Hogan's team didn't GET J&M and THAT'S why they were backburnered? I thought Corday MADE them bakcburner them... Interesting.. I always suspected Hogan did it himself and he was not pushed into it by Corday...
Both are true, but are not both reason for the backburning. Corday told them to back burn the couple, but also the team didn't understand J&M as well. John was actually suppose to die back when EJ shot him. Then THAT was suppose to be the time that Marlena had her character growth that she had after the car accident. But Corday stopped it all when he said Hogan and the team had to back burn the vets. Which lead to Tinda Lao going on as long as it did because they needed to fill the air because it was suppose to be a C or D story. He also has said their team had the idea of killing John Black and bringing him back...but that would have been for at least a year.
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