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| Red Mist | Jul 30 2008, 08:42 AM Post #2481 |
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Well at the end of the day this is just entertainment...There are other things one can do with an hour....Like Clean. I still watch, but I do decide it based on spoilers. I know what DAYS to tune in and what days to tune out. The DAYS I do not watch can be eaily recapped for me from several sites. DOOLS is not food or water...we think we may not, but we can live without it.And if watching it gives you no pleasure, why bother? I will always be loyal to the show, but there is more out there then tv.Anymore I hardly watch Tv. I get more pleasure from doing something enjoyable or reading....DAYS was my guilty pleasure that I was hooked on...right now, not so much. I guess for me it comes and it goes, and it is all based on the story telling. Right now I am just sitting back and waiting....All the while hoping Steffy's return can capture my interest, because right now nothing much does. Nothing I am seeing right now makes sense to me. And it is quite honestly boring....If Any other show on tv was this drab I would have given up on it and assumed it was headed for canned city. IMO DOOLS is very lucky to have the fans it does...Even when we tune out we do not give up, we wait, and we hope. |
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| Pearly | Jul 30 2008, 08:45 AM Post #2482 |
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:hail: MY GOD!!! This has sooooo much WORD!!!! :hail: |
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| SoapGal1 | Jul 30 2008, 08:47 AM Post #2483 |
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I thought I would chime in here in regards to "supercouples". Over the years, I've had my favorites. Bo & Hope, Steve & Kayla, John & Marlena, etc. But I watched even when my favorites weren't together. Because the writers kept me interested in the favorites AND in other storylines. As far as my favorites went, when they weren't together, the writers had ways of letting you know where their heart really was, by looks, little things they would say, etc. With the writing of the past two years, you have no idea what the characters are thinking or feeling. Take Sami for instance, she's completely off the charts...no one knows what is really in this characters mind. Does she love EJ or is she still in love with Lucas? Who knows???? And this current crap of "Summer of Romance"....ARE YOU KIDDING ME?? Why didn't they call it "Summer of Screwing Random People"? Someone, either DH or ES and his "diva" don't know Sh#t from shinola. And the ratings are proving it. One more point, true there are many of us fans who have one particular couple that we LOVE, but most of us like other couplings as well and will watch those when ours aren't together. But, when you split up 75% of them and all you have left is uncle/niece love, a contrived EJ/Nicole mess, NuJohn w/Spice girl???? Who wants to watch that crap??? Apparently not many!! The only couple I could see coming out of this mess of a summer with any hope is Lucas/Chloe, and that's IF someone gets in there and really writes some good stuff for them, otherwise the whole summer is a bomb!!! And that's the end of my rant!! |
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| Kenny | Jul 30 2008, 08:53 AM Post #2484 |
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Oh, and I just wanted to say that my hands aren't clean, either. I complain about stories just as much as the "supercouple fans" do, so I'm far from perfect, LoL. I didn't wanna seem like I was coming across as holier-than-thou or anything. |
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| Ponz | Jul 30 2008, 08:58 AM Post #2485 |
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That's complete nonsense. I have magazine clippings from the mid-90's where SOD acknowledged fans campaigning for Lucas/Sami even though there was no movement to the pairing on the show. On the web, the first Lucas/Sami forum was launched in early 2000. In any case, it's irrelevant to the point I was making. I don't believe any fanbase (including those I've been a member of) is "entitled" to their pairing regardless of how long they've been shipping the couple. Any story that avoids the directionless "middle road" Kenny referred to is going to piss off some loyal viewers. DAYS has the most polarised vioewership of all the soaps. I'd have far more respect for a writer who accepts this rather than trying to cater to everyone. |
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| Red Mist | Jul 30 2008, 09:03 AM Post #2486 |
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Well ponz, I would LOVE to see those clippings, because I have never seen them. I saw nothing romantic or interesting between Lucas and Sami until about 5 yrs ago. That is when it was all over soap net interviews etc. Like I said at one point I really enjoyed them but to me compared to other Sami love pairings Lumi falls short. |
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| FanODays | Jul 30 2008, 09:04 AM Post #2487 |
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But fans think they are entitled to something because of their often years of loyalty to the show. I can't even guess how many fans, myself included at times, have ranted how their couple deserves happiness, payoffs, etc. As a fan of this show for longer than many of you have been alive, I can tell you that I didn't always feel that way. The internet has played a role in the change becuase now I live under the delusion that I have a voice that some soap god will listen to. I think what is playing a bigger role in this though is the overall quality. I lived through Doug and Julie breaking up and my heart because there was another romance blooming. I could live with hating some stories because there were others that I rushed home to watch. That hasn't been the case in years and it breaks my heart. |
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| ges | Jul 30 2008, 09:05 AM Post #2488 |
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I don't have the wealth of knowlege you guys have here about who wrote the show in the past, I only took an interest in these things when Jer came on board, for obvious reasons. But I have to say that I still think Higley threw a smoke bomb in the air to in order to get out her whiny little message that the writing stinks and it isn't my fault because people have been tampering with my wonderful scripts and I work so hard and I keep getting sabotaged, blah blah blah. When I watch what has happened to the show under her reign it makes me sick. Yesterday had to be the perfect example of her garbage. Marlena as the cell-phone police, Just facinating. Stephanie and Max in Paris with the cheesy map finally gone replaced by the shiteous "french" music that we will have to endure. Nicole as leading lady who is being woven into every story possible, and frankly I don't remember any more of it becauase I was bored out of my skull. The show is dull, the characters have been ruined, and she thinks elevator sex is the summer of love. If you look at the promo, (which was embarrassing) of the actors in bumper cars laughing and acting like they were just having the time of their lives, I am willing to venture that if it weren't for the scandal they would need toothpicks to prop open their eye-balls just like the audience. The ratings are low because even people like me that have an enormous capacity for hanging in, no longer believe that she can bring the show out of the toilet. She knows the show is in the toilet and so she takes her frustrations out on Ed Scott and anybody else that is at least trying to throw water on the flames. I don't blame him for trying. She gave the autism story to the wrong couple for starters. Nobody cares about Abe and Lexie's marriage so therefore anything that happens within the context of that marriage short of one of them murdering the other in cold blood would not be interesting. Had she waited patiently and given it to Steve and Kayla it may have worked because Mary Beth is so good with this sort intricate thing. Bad decision imo. And she told two completely different stories in interviews. One, how it was a page out of her own life and how honored she was to be able to bring attention to this condition, for lack of a better word. And in another interview she said how shocked and suprised that she was given an opportunity to do a story on autism. Wasn't even her idea. Came out of left field. Which is it? It goes to credibility. One day Dr. Perv is licking donut powder off of Lexie's nose and the next day he is banging Kate because he is in a state of drunken angst over her grandaughter. wth? They go through all the trouble of slowly redeeming E.J. and writing some of the most romantic diologue for him about his unwavering love for her, no matter what she does or how she acts and then one day, he is indifferent to her and in love with the town skank. At least Lucas has been allowed to stop screaming. He seems happy as an actor. He seems psyched to be working with the gorgeous Chloe for a change of pace. All you feel when you watch the show is a bunch of writers grabbing the pen out of each others hands and changing things. This scandal didn't have to happen for people to know that 48 people are trying to write the show. You can tell. Corday is a wimp for putting up with this and hiring her in the first place. I thought we emerged as a show with possibilites after the strike, unlike some other shows which were ruined or cancelled. What they did with what they had from that point on is a crying shame. They all share the blame for it, but she didn t complain until the ratings are so low that they can no longer be ignored, she knows her job is in jeopardy, and then she cries foul and points fingers. She is not very good at what she does. And after this stunt, she will never work in the industry again and she knows it. She leaked these accusations imo in order to divert responsibility for the disaster that this show has become from herself. I cannot believe that nothing good is going to come of this. I am going to cling to the hope that she is waiting to get fired so that she can collect unemployment. Surely, the actors have to hate her guts at this point. Even John's one-liners are fading into the background. I am going to hang around to see if Stephano is written properly this time, unlike his last time in which they made him a buffoon. It may bring the ratings up and the interest level up. Watching Marlena get a little payback may be interesting. They jerked around the Lumis and the Ejamis to the point of complete alienation. I can't think of any fanbase that is happy. This has already been pointed out. Trying to please everyone pleases no one. But, some people cling to hope. I liked Jherico. Alot. Sent in the nuts and the whole nine yards. The second season was very good. But the ratings were not good enough to save it. By comparison Days sucks and has bad ratings. And Higley has given NBC an easy out, bad ratings and shady goings on. So, I will prepare myself. I will hope for the best, but I do not expect it now. To me, their silence is not a good thing. A house divided cannot stand. A big cliche I know. But I imagine you are either with her or against her at this point. Which cannot be a very pleasant working environment, When I watch the actors I think about how they can stand to read their lines. It's distracting. It's a credit to their professionalism that their disappointment doesn't show in their acting. Their the ones who may lose their jobs over this. Sorry for the doom and gloom. :drunk: |
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| Red Mist | Jul 30 2008, 09:10 AM Post #2489 |
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^ So true about all fan bases being unhappy....I always felt it should be a rollersoaster of sorts, but not a complete break down....In the past I always liked at least one sl even I hated all others...Maybe this couple was apart, but another was together etc....Right now there just seems to be a huge void...a nothingness. No romance unless you count the incest affair...Love BOPE, but they have been reduced to enviro mouth pieces....I miss their adventure....Kayla is so boring its crazy, who would have thought?......We just need a new writer...and one who watches the show, will watch the show they write and one that LOVES DAYS with all their heart. Sad, because I fear that we will not get that. |
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| SoapGal1 | Jul 30 2008, 09:11 AM Post #2490 |
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Good post ges!!! :hail: |
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| Hergie23 | Jul 30 2008, 09:18 AM Post #2491 |
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I will admit I am full-fledged a part of a fanbase. I can't change that now. It's too late. I can't get into the rest of the show. Nor do I really have time, being as I am in the Army and all. I look forward to the days that J&M are on and that they are in a good storyline. I am not asking for them to be together and happy. I'm asking for a good storyline. But every freakin time they are apart, they have John go off and sleep with someone else. Hope, Kate, Ava...for crying out loud. Is that really necessary? Can't they come up with something other than that? It is torture to me, and I'm sorry if I refuse to watch it happen over and over. It seems like the writers are TRYING to make me turn my TV off. Give me a good, solid, emotion-driven story and some, dare I say, ADVENTURE and I will tune in every day. West Virginia, Maison Blanche, The Affair, Aremid, The Possession, Paris Cage, Secret Room. John and Marlena weren't TOGETHER in any of these stories but I was glued to my seat. All this bed-hopping (and I'm not just talkin J&M) is just not good story for me. Edited by Hergie23, Jul 30 2008, 09:21 AM.
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| Red Mist | Jul 30 2008, 09:25 AM Post #2492 |
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^ I feel ya Herg, more then anything I miss the adventures....To me the bed hoping is a weak and easy plot twist....it takes no talent to put that in a script. It is an easy way out. |
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| e83talus | Jul 30 2008, 09:28 AM Post #2493 |
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Sums up my feelings about the show right now. |
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| Steve Frame | Jul 30 2008, 09:29 AM Post #2494 |
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As I pointed out earlier in this thread all the things going on in the years 1978 & 1979 you had so many things going on that there was something everyone could relate to and find interesting. At most now Days runs about 2 to 3 stories at one time. and the rest of the cast just has nothing. You had something you could find to watch and to love. Just like last summer all you had was Touch the Sky or The Vendetta and nothing else. In the past writers were told to stretch stories out all the time for sweeps or whatever, but they had other stories to fall back on. Last year if the writers were told to stretch out Tinda Lau or whatever they didn't have anything else to keep the show going because they didn't try to have anything else going. ****************************** I am a longtime fan too and I don't feel like the show owes me anything for my couples or anything, but I do feel like if the show expects me to be loyal to them then they need to give me something in return. And I hate when online fans call me disloyal because I quit watching and that I am to blame for Days low ratings and it's impending cancellation. Days has given so many of it's fans a big fuck you for several years now and they can't expect fans to stay loyal when they have done that. IN particular they and the industry have made it clear that they are only interested in certain viewers and as long as they are happy then that is great. And I am talking about age groups here. Advertisers have been interested in those same age groups since the beginning of ratings, but never did any of the shows go out to cater to them so much as they have in recent years. That in itself has helped to polarize the audience and create division and ill feelings. |
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| jwilds213 | Jul 30 2008, 09:43 AM Post #2495 |
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I don't remmeber him saying he'd get rid of the Vets but that it would be EXTREMELY tough to write for them especially J&M and Bo/Hope because it would be a repeat of stuff done. I mean how many situations and stuff have they been through and how many times can Marlena be kidnapped etc. |
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| Kyrai | Jul 30 2008, 09:43 AM Post #2496 |
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I so totally agree. I have been thru the ringer with the Jarlena storyline, but I'm enjoying it. With all the ups and downs (often incredibly frustrating as things change from day to day), I still see potential for a great story in the making. I'm still hoping EJ and Sami get together in the end and rooting for them. Big fan of Payla and Bope also. I don't view the contention as a problem. I like that they are getting a story and hope somewhere in the future they will be together and that I can enjoy the moments getting there. But when I go to boards to discuss and vent (because hey, just because I understand we need conflict doesn't mean I have to love it), I see people trashing the actors for going with the storyline they were given, saying they'll never watch again, etc. It's obvious they want things to change asap and are trying to dictate the change vs. let the story evolve. It's equally obvious that NO ONE sees the same scene the same way. I love being able to discuss with other fans, but hate this power play that goes on with some fans thinking they should force things to be their way vs. open discussion and patience. I'm fully aware that if I lose all hope that my fav supercouple doesn't make it, there's a good chance I'll tune out if the other stories don't make up for it, but I don't think that fear should control the storylines. Bumps and turns mean I'm seeing my favorite actors more, and done well, there's still alot to enjoy. Much as I hated the Kristen s/l, I loved it as well. Some of my favorite scenes happened during that s/l. I'm glad writers didn't get scared and just plop J&M together because fans were griping. I think they got them together because there was no denying that chemistry. If they hadn't, I probably wouldn't be watching, but perhaps others would. There's just no way to please everyone, you have to have a little faith and hope that good story and good actors will win out. Fear of writing for supercouples creates issues with developing new couples, which negatively affects the growth of the show. I know it's not this simple. Bad writing derails a lot, but you have to hope for good writers and give them a chance to tell what they are trying to tell. Feedback on the message boards can be great if the honest discussion allows the writer to see that he may have legitimately missed the boat, but it shouldn't dictate the stories. |
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| Sariah | Jul 30 2008, 09:49 AM Post #2497 |
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There are only a handful of original plots in this world, and every book/TV/movie that comes out is just a spin on one of those. The problem isn't coming up with something new - the problem is the execution. It doesn't matter as much what the plot is as how it is portrayed. A writer can make anything seem new and fresh if they're talented enough. |
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| phloeishot | Jul 30 2008, 10:12 AM Post #2498 |
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Hey, does anyone know if Nelson has any more info for us yet? |
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| cjknick | Jul 30 2008, 10:19 AM Post #2499 |
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Basically last Summer the ratings were steady at 2.0 to 2.2 (which was an increase of April and May's 1.9 ratings) there was a 1.8 but that was a three day week (4th of July and Tennis) Ratings started to go down in September after the time change and the fact that Passions, Days sister soap left NBC. Plus we have the added fact that NBC also announced that it may not even carry Days after 2009! This Summer after steady numbers leading into the summer 2.0 to 2.2 - we have a decline starting the last week of May until the 1.8 we just had...So this summer is worse than last summer ... last summer rebounded from a bad April and May and this summer it declined from April and May ratings. The Summer of 2006 the ratings increased from previous Spring numbers - and held steady until Hogan's writing started to appear in October! then then started to decline a little until rapid declines in Feb March April May of 2007... again noting that in Jan 2007 NBC announced Passion is being dropped and it may not renew Days after 2007. |
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| daisysmommy | Jul 30 2008, 10:22 AM Post #2500 |
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Agree- the problem here is writing/casting TALENT. Look at how Brady and Belle were built...before Chloe or Shawn became their central story... And as for no new stories for the vets-- give me a break!! Example: the J&M one was a layup-- have them fall in love in a new way all over again, before he gets his memories back...instead, they made John a one-note, flat,zero depth jerk...he devolved vs evolved...which is completely out of character ...and Marlena has become a wishy washy shadow-- not the strong, conflicted woman she once was...and as for them as a couple-- it has been written SO poorly...throwing Ava into the mix was so inconsistent I just tuned out. Bope and Payla need an adventure, or conflict that is not rooted in others, but in their essence as a couple. The fans root for character complexity-- at least on DOOL. People are always evolving-- and the fans are vested in watching how their characters evolve together... I don't see a prob with pimping younger couples-- so long as they have an identifiable persona first, and the couple aspect grows gradually as the audience begins to feel familiar with the character. Who had time to figure out anything about Morgan? And the musical porking of late-- what really IS there to root for? |
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