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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
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I'm confused about this supposed time change. Days is on at 1pm just like it has been for 28 years.
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I know I was one of those fans that once my favorites left I stopped watching the show. But in all honesty that was just the final nail in the Days coffin for me. I had been stuck in the middle of fanbase wars, watched characters that I loved be completely destroyed, being angry about stupid plot twists but accepting them because I was loyal to the show, been told a story would be about one thing and then it turns out to be something completely different, and read a 100 Plans to Save Days articles. Finally it gets to a point where you say enough is enough.

On several occassions since I stopped watching tuning in again hoping that there would be something that would spark my interest in the show again. But there hasn't been anything to bring back in. Yet during this time there have been two other soaps that I did the same thing and I am enjoying those soaps. I see nothing wrong with mixing up couples or staying with supercouples. Days doesn't have a true identity anymore. For example, one week Ejami is the money couple and the next week it is Lumi. There is no rhyme or reason for the mixing up of couples. Why should I get invested in a pairing I might find interesting like Nicole/EJ when I know at some point EJ will be brought back into Sami's orbit and Nicole/EJ will be gone. It just comes off that each week as they are preparing a new set of shows they throw a bunch of darts and that is the focus of the show for the week.
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e83talus
Jul 30 2008, 07:43 AM
The following is a quote from Tom C.'s goodbye letter to Days fans aftr he was fired in February:

I could probably launch into an essay about the inner workings of a television show... the secret cabals and the backalley strike deals that were made. I could potentially try and analyze the entire situation, try and find out how a writing team that started off the year doing strong, then ended up in LAST PLACE (due to dictates from the higher-ups), then somehow managed to come back and end the year in 4th place in Households and 1st place in the 18-34 demographic were all summarily kicked out at once. But this isn't about asking those questions, or trying to analyze what happened, or why we're not going home to Days again when the strike ends. That's not why I wanted to write this.

Instead, this is a sad goodbye to a town I grew up with. To Tony and Anna, characters I never dreamed would be on my screen again, much less saying the words I wrote. To LeAnn and Lauren Koslow, for letting me write the one and only Kate/Anna scene of 2007 - a story I hoped and prayed would be picked up at one point. And who knows - maybe it still will be? To Julie Pinson, who redefines supporting player, and SHOULD be a leading lady... and whom I always tried so hard to give more to. I'm sorry, Julie - you deserved better. To Bo and Hope, for letting me infuse them with a sense of humor again. and especially Kristian Alfonso, for collaborating with me on one of the most wonderful eulogies at John Black's funeral. To John and Marlena, two characters I struggled with, and were JUST figuring out and finally learning to love again weeks before the strike brought everything to a crashing halt. You taught me how to delve deeper, to see how complex you both were - and how you weren't cartoons at all, but truly detailed, layered characters. To Steve and Kayla, and especially my lovely Judi Luciano (who remembered me from when I was an INTERN at Another World nine years ago!!!), who I had the pleasure of writing for again as Adrienne - the Johnson family are personal favorites of mine. And to write Benjy's death broke my heart and brought tears to my eyes - and I wouldn't have had it any other way. To Nick and Chelsea and Max and Stephanie and Belle and Shawn - for teaching me how to write kids, how NOT to write kids, and especially to Brandon and Martha for letting me move them out of the world of "kids" and into adulthood. And to Sami, Lucas and EJ - three characters who went round and round, and always taught me something new about the power of temptation, redemption and love.

End Quote.

"You weren't cartoons at all."

I stand by my dislike of this clown!
Sorry but I think y'all are being too hard on him....

It has to be tough on a writing team expected to come in immediately and make changes for the better and know every inch of all of the characters and be expected to "get" all of them quickly. JER's writing( and probably a few before him) of J&M didn't do the couple any favors. If you ask any average person about J&M or Marlena...one of the first things out of their mouth will be the devil possession storyline and how much of a "joke" it was. This is in no way to bash the base or anything but it is pure preset notions in the average person's mind and their beliefs that it was a "hokey line to be done and the effects were laughable at best. If you read back in it they were finally getting the couple and if given the chance I bet some great stuff would have been there.

As far as headwriter goes......fine that if you don't want Tom C....I'd like to see fresh blood in the seat with a lot of the compassion,love and understand of the system and characters that he has written about. That's the type of person we need to see in the seat with little to no interference from Corday and that will be impossible because Corday is who he is.
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Jul 30 2008, 10:28 AM
I know I was one of those fans that once my favorites left I stopped watching the show. But in all honesty that was just the final nail in the Days coffin for me. I had been stuck in the middle of fanbase wars, watched characters that I loved be completely destroyed, being angry about stupid plot twists but accepting them because I was loyal to the show, been told a story would be about one thing and then it turns out to be something completely different, and read a 100 Plans to Save Days articles. Finally it gets to a point where you say enough is enough.

On several occassions since I stopped watching tuning in again hoping that there would be something that would spark my interest in the show again. But there hasn't been anything to bring back in. Yet during this time there have been two other soaps that I did the same thing and I am enjoying those soaps. I see nothing wrong with mixing up couples or staying with supercouples. Days doesn't have a true identity anymore. For example, one week Ejami is the money couple and the next week it is Lumi. There is no rhyme or reason for the mixing up of couples. Why should I get invested in a pairing I might find interesting like Nicole/EJ when I know at some point EJ will be brought back into Sami's orbit and Nicole/EJ will be gone. It just comes off that each week as they are preparing a new set of shows they throw a bunch of darts and that is the focus of the show for the week.
If I were a betting person I think that the Nicole/EJ pairing will continue ... my guess is that behind the scenes someone doesn't want the EJ and Sami pairing! :shrug:
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Jul 30 2008, 10:24 AM
I'm confused about this supposed time change. Days is on at 1pm just like it has been for 28 years.
It seems in some places Days changed time slots after Passions left NBC........
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jwilds213
Jul 30 2008, 10:31 AM
e83talus
Jul 30 2008, 07:43 AM
The following is a quote from Tom C.'s goodbye letter to Days fans aftr he was fired in February:

I could probably launch into an essay about the inner workings of a television show... the secret cabals and the backalley strike deals that were made. I could potentially try and analyze the entire situation, try and find out how a writing team that started off the year doing strong, then ended up in LAST PLACE (due to dictates from the higher-ups), then somehow managed to come back and end the year in 4th place in Households and 1st place in the 18-34 demographic were all summarily kicked out at once. But this isn't about asking those questions, or trying to analyze what happened, or why we're not going home to Days again when the strike ends. That's not why I wanted to write this.

Instead, this is a sad goodbye to a town I grew up with. To Tony and Anna, characters I never dreamed would be on my screen again, much less saying the words I wrote. To LeAnn and Lauren Koslow, for letting me write the one and only Kate/Anna scene of 2007 - a story I hoped and prayed would be picked up at one point. And who knows - maybe it still will be? To Julie Pinson, who redefines supporting player, and SHOULD be a leading lady... and whom I always tried so hard to give more to. I'm sorry, Julie - you deserved better. To Bo and Hope, for letting me infuse them with a sense of humor again. and especially Kristian Alfonso, for collaborating with me on one of the most wonderful eulogies at John Black's funeral. To John and Marlena, two characters I struggled with, and were JUST figuring out and finally learning to love again weeks before the strike brought everything to a crashing halt. You taught me how to delve deeper, to see how complex you both were - and how you weren't cartoons at all, but truly detailed, layered characters. To Steve and Kayla, and especially my lovely Judi Luciano (who remembered me from when I was an INTERN at Another World nine years ago!!!), who I had the pleasure of writing for again as Adrienne - the Johnson family are personal favorites of mine. And to write Benjy's death broke my heart and brought tears to my eyes - and I wouldn't have had it any other way. To Nick and Chelsea and Max and Stephanie and Belle and Shawn - for teaching me how to write kids, how NOT to write kids, and especially to Brandon and Martha for letting me move them out of the world of "kids" and into adulthood. And to Sami, Lucas and EJ - three characters who went round and round, and always taught me something new about the power of temptation, redemption and love.

End Quote.

"You weren't cartoons at all."

I stand by my dislike of this clown!
Sorry but I think y'all are being too hard on him....

It has to be tough on a writing team expected to come in immediately and make changes for the better and know every inch of all of the characters and be expected to "get" all of them quickly. JER's writing( and probably a few before him) of J&M didn't do the couple any favors. If you ask any average person about J&M or Marlena...one of the first things out of their mouth will be the devil possession storyline and how much of a "joke" it was. This is in no way to bash the base or anything but it is pure preset notions in the average person's mind and their beliefs that it was a "hokey line to be done and the effects were laughable at best. If you read back in it they were finally getting the couple and if given the chance I bet some great stuff would have been there.

As far as headwriter goes......fine that if you don't want Tom C....I'd like to see fresh blood in the seat with a lot of the compassion,love and understand of the system and characters that he has written about. That's the type of person we need to see in the seat with little to no interference from Corday and that will be impossible because Corday is who he is.
Okay I'm a little behind today. Why are we talking about Tom, is he being consdered for HW or somethng????
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Jul 30 2008, 10:36 AM
Matt
Jul 30 2008, 10:24 AM
I'm confused about this supposed time change. Days is on at 1pm just like it has been for 28 years.
It seems in some places Days changed time slots after Passions left NBC........
Yeah. Its on at 2PM here in NYC. I do know that some Passions viewers are watching DOOL since Passions is no longer on NBC.
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cjknick
Jul 30 2008, 10:36 AM
cubsgirl
Jul 30 2008, 10:28 AM
I know I was one of those fans that once my favorites left I stopped watching the show. But in all honesty that was just the final nail in the Days coffin for me. I had been stuck in the middle of fanbase wars, watched characters that I loved be completely destroyed, being angry about stupid plot twists but accepting them because I was loyal to the show, been told a story would be about one thing and then it turns out to be something completely different, and read a 100 Plans to Save Days articles. Finally it gets to a point where you say enough is enough.

On several occassions since I stopped watching tuning in again hoping that there would be something that would spark my interest in the show again. But there hasn't been anything to bring back in. Yet during this time there have been two other soaps that I did the same thing and I am enjoying those soaps. I see nothing wrong with mixing up couples or staying with supercouples. Days doesn't have a true identity anymore. For example, one week Ejami is the money couple and the next week it is Lumi. There is no rhyme or reason for the mixing up of couples. Why should I get invested in a pairing I might find interesting like Nicole/EJ when I know at some point EJ will be brought back into Sami's orbit and Nicole/EJ will be gone. It just comes off that each week as they are preparing a new set of shows they throw a bunch of darts and that is the focus of the show for the week.
If I were a betting person I think that the Nicole/EJ pairing will continue ... my guess is that behind the scenes someone doesn't want the EJ and Sami pairing! :shrug:
Why? I've been hearing backstage rumblings that phorgan and chucas are a go, but nothing much definitive about EJ
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Jul 30 2008, 10:38 AM
jwilds213
Jul 30 2008, 10:31 AM
e83talus
Jul 30 2008, 07:43 AM
The following is a quote from Tom C.'s goodbye letter to Days fans aftr he was fired in February:

I could probably launch into an essay about the inner workings of a television show... the secret cabals and the backalley strike deals that were made. I could potentially try and analyze the entire situation, try and find out how a writing team that started off the year doing strong, then ended up in LAST PLACE (due to dictates from the higher-ups), then somehow managed to come back and end the year in 4th place in Households and 1st place in the 18-34 demographic were all summarily kicked out at once. But this isn't about asking those questions, or trying to analyze what happened, or why we're not going home to Days again when the strike ends. That's not why I wanted to write this.

Instead, this is a sad goodbye to a town I grew up with. To Tony and Anna, characters I never dreamed would be on my screen again, much less saying the words I wrote. To LeAnn and Lauren Koslow, for letting me write the one and only Kate/Anna scene of 2007 - a story I hoped and prayed would be picked up at one point. And who knows - maybe it still will be? To Julie Pinson, who redefines supporting player, and SHOULD be a leading lady... and whom I always tried so hard to give more to. I'm sorry, Julie - you deserved better. To Bo and Hope, for letting me infuse them with a sense of humor again. and especially Kristian Alfonso, for collaborating with me on one of the most wonderful eulogies at John Black's funeral. To John and Marlena, two characters I struggled with, and were JUST figuring out and finally learning to love again weeks before the strike brought everything to a crashing halt. You taught me how to delve deeper, to see how complex you both were - and how you weren't cartoons at all, but truly detailed, layered characters. To Steve and Kayla, and especially my lovely Judi Luciano (who remembered me from when I was an INTERN at Another World nine years ago!!!), who I had the pleasure of writing for again as Adrienne - the Johnson family are personal favorites of mine. And to write Benjy's death broke my heart and brought tears to my eyes - and I wouldn't have had it any other way. To Nick and Chelsea and Max and Stephanie and Belle and Shawn - for teaching me how to write kids, how NOT to write kids, and especially to Brandon and Martha for letting me move them out of the world of "kids" and into adulthood. And to Sami, Lucas and EJ - three characters who went round and round, and always taught me something new about the power of temptation, redemption and love.

End Quote.

"You weren't cartoons at all."

I stand by my dislike of this clown!
Sorry but I think y'all are being too hard on him....

It has to be tough on a writing team expected to come in immediately and make changes for the better and know every inch of all of the characters and be expected to "get" all of them quickly. JER's writing( and probably a few before him) of J&M didn't do the couple any favors. If you ask any average person about J&M or Marlena...one of the first things out of their mouth will be the devil possession storyline and how much of a "joke" it was. This is in no way to bash the base or anything but it is pure preset notions in the average person's mind and their beliefs that it was a "hokey line to be done and the effects were laughable at best. If you read back in it they were finally getting the couple and if given the chance I bet some great stuff would have been there.

As far as headwriter goes......fine that if you don't want Tom C....I'd like to see fresh blood in the seat with a lot of the compassion,love and understand of the system and characters that he has written about. That's the type of person we need to see in the seat with little to no interference from Corday and that will be impossible because Corday is who he is.
Okay I'm a little behind today. Why are we talking about Tom, is he being consdered for HW or somethng????
I guess I didn't read each page thoroughly enough, because I had the same question. I like Tom C, he's passionate enough, but I'm not too keen on many of his ideas
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Jul 30 2008, 10:39 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 10:36 AM
Matt
Jul 30 2008, 10:24 AM
I'm confused about this supposed time change. Days is on at 1pm just like it has been for 28 years.
It seems in some places Days changed time slots after Passions left NBC........
Yeah. Its on at 2PM here in NYC. I do know that some Passions viewers are watching DOOL since Passions is no longer on NBC.
Days changed time slots in my area - plus viewers like to watch "network" soaps they have a tendency to stay on that channel and catch soap after soap. The one may be their favorite soap but they stay tuned for the other because they are on that channel anyway. Watching it as if it were a block. My daughters watched Days with me and they stayed to watch Passions (I watched Days on my lunch hour and had to leave before Passions came on)

Why did I start with Days - my mom got me hooked and way back when since the NBC affliate was in our area and was the closest tower the reception on NBC was the best! So my mom watched Days and all the other soaps like Another World on NBC thru the years.
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Maybe Tom should be a co-headwriter before he becomes a headwriter. Personally, while he seems like a good guy and very passionate about soaps and is a soap fan himself, I don't like how he sees things or some of his story ideas so I wouldn't want him for Days in the top scribe spots.

But one thing is clear is that THE headwriter or headwriters (sometimes teams work better) need to have a STRONG, CLEAR vision of the show and all its major characters. When they come in, they need to more than brief themselves on who the characters are. They need to talk to the actors in depth about their characters, watch old episodes, read entire old storylines and find out who they are.

If that is not how they see the character working into their plans and want to change the character, they need to transition the character. It can't be a complete 180 practically overnight like how Hogan tried with Sami. That's one of the main reasons the show tanked. Overnight, he tried to make her his heroine and then focused the entire show around her. If you tuned in for Days Jan-May 2007 it was Sami, Chelsea and Belle day in and day out. The problem is that none of these characters are exceptionally likable (and certainly not if they aren't acting like themselves!!!). Then he has all the young men on the show pining for these women like they are goddesses. Come on!!!

I'm sure it was dictated from the higher ups that Lucas and Sami, Belle and Shawn, be end game or that Chelsea needed a love interest and that Hogan could only use the vets so much for the first part of the year due to budget constraints. But the storytelling was all Hogan and his team. And the storytelling sucked and wasn't believable, compelling or entertaining.

We're in the same boat again just with a different writer. The show needs a writer - not an egoist who thinks they don't have to do the work to reap the rewards.
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Jul 29 2008, 04:16 PM
And SOD didn't say it's not true, they said the rumors "appear to be untrue."

I know, I'm reaching here, LOL.
I actually applaud them for adding that line. (We all know I've busted their chops before for journalism faux pas.) But they, as a news organization (in this instance, anyway, reporting news), can't say something is untrue. They can never say that. Saying it 'appears untrue' or some other way of saying that, covers their ass and shows that they're just reporting what they're being told, and how the situation 'appears,' even though reputable sources were addressed.
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Jul 29 2008, 05:42 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 05:29 PM
How come none of TMZ and ET and so on hasn't picked up this big story of Days & Y&R News, thats what I don't get, it just make me wonder, if all this is really true!!!
Soaps are very small potatoes to them unless it's related to Kelly Monaco, LOL, to be honest with you.

And we're pretty certain that this is all true.
The good news, though, is that if the 'diva' is the person whom someone JUST e-mailed me, then this VERY WELL could get primetime coverage on the biggest news outlets, because that star herself has other dealings that have warranted news magazine coverage.
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Jul 29 2008, 06:27 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 06:17 PM
Don't be surprised if Dena Higley is back but then slips out quietly in a few more weeks or months. A little bird has told me that a new head writer is already being considered, and she's NOT from Y&R. She would bring a certain, um, ethnic perspective badly needed on this show.
Oh, you've GOT to be shitting me!
OMG, I JUST got this with mason's post! lol. Didn't look at the sender of the original one. THIS is interesting!
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Jul 30 2008, 02:43 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 02:29 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:29 AM
It's a nice thought but most of today's critics cater to the shows because they don't want to lose access to spoilers and such. That has hurt this industry too. You have critics that don't do their job and justify stuff they admit themselves is garbage. We all have different opinions but some critics will actually say something is garbage and then go on to try to justify why something was done that way or whatever.

I think it all rests on the show. The show needs to make a decision. It needs to take a risk and it needs to commit to one vision. Either everyone is on the same page or they are out. Period. No questions asked. Stick with that vision and see where it leads and only make changes when needed.
Actually there are a couple of good critics that I can think of that don't suck up to anyone: Mimi Torchin and Marlena Delacroix (I'm sure there must be more)... but it's a convention so you could have a panel with people that suck up and those that don't LOL Lynn Leahey vs Mimi Torchin! Woo hoo!

I think what DAYS needs is a strong writer who has a clear vision and knows the history. Then Corday can do what he usually does and let them do their job and go on vacation and write his music.
Oh, I know these are still some good critics but it's likely they won't be invited to such an event. TPTB will just invite their buddies who cater to their every whim.

No matter who is hired as writer, Corday will still be involved, pushing his agenda. That is why the show has lacked vision for so long. There are times when it's cohesive and rolling (most likely when a writer first starts and his free reign) and then everything falls off and you have things sputtering in different directions. If they could just limit Corday to business (since you can never get rid of him) and keep him away from the show and the creative process, I suspect you would see a much more cohesive product with solid direction. Certainly, you would have a show committed to one direction and not all over the place.
You're assuming that the conference would be organized by the shows themselves - that wouldn't be a conference. Perhaps it would be organized and presented by a group of fans from each show. I dunno, it's just a crazy idea I had. :drunk:

As for Corday, I agree he needs to step back and out of the creative position of executive producer, though I suspect it's just a title he carries and doesn't really do much producing. Just let Ed Scott be the sole executive producer and give him full power.
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OMG lmao... EVERYONE LISTEN! The remark about Deidre, Drake, PR and KA WAS NOT TRUE! Someone was using it as a example!
Hey watch out! People who post these comments -- and I do love those people -- need to say they're joking or something. I fell for it too. And was WAY confused about all this shit.
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I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
For some reason the J&M fans hate Tom even though he was one of the writers that wrote great material for Deidre this past winter.
Oh yea, what did he write? BTW, I'm just one J&M fan and certainly don't speak for all of them.
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But Jiggs, you should read some of his blogs..The guy is very passionate about Days and about the soap genre..And he actually takes time for chat sessions...He's a really cool guy...And a talented script writer..But i do think the head writer position would probably be too much for him to take on..i just wish he hadn't have been screwed over by the writers strike for Dena Higley and her team..
I've read his blog, and listened to his radio interviews. I'm not saying he's not passionate about soaps or doesn't have some good ideas and opinions, I just don't think I would like him as the head writer of Days. He strikes me as being somewhat similar to Higley in that he's interested in telling stories that he's interested in, but nobody else is. (Thank you Erika Slezak).
How do you know that? Once again, using the term "nobody" is one that insinuates everyone thinks like you. They don't. I, for one, agree with those who feel Tom's passion is a plus. There IS more to life than Marlena!
And, for the umpteenth time, I will once again give high KUDOS to Tim (Phoenix) and his remarks about the problems with fanbases. Ken Corday's penchance for wanting to cater to all of them has caused a lot of problems. And, then I'll hear someone post "He didn't cater to MINE", and that will prove my point, because he tries to make them all happy. Thus, anything good for any character doesn't last long, because then he has to try to make the other side happy.
I cannot lambast a writer simply because because he/she doesn't cater to my favorites. I would have quit when Marlena and Don Craig broke up. (wait, I DID! LOL. But not for that reason. Real life, no VCR, and realizing soaps are fictional did. I kept up with the newspaper, just enough).
So, I would have quit when they broke up Shimi. BUT, I saw other reasons to watch. Yeah, the writing for Shelligan's Island was pretty bad, but I always managed to find something good in the show. That's part and parcel of being a general fan who realizes that I can't always get my way in life.
I didn't say I knew that... I said that it "seemed to me" that he would be that kind of writer. I couldn't possibly know it since he's never been a head writer. It's my opinion on him based on everything I've heard him say. And it was Erika Slezak who gave me that quote: "She [Dena Higley] wants to write for her own characters and she wants to write stories that she thinks are interesting but nobody else does."

I happen to agree with the actress about Higley, and from what I've heard of Mr. Casiello, he strikes me as the same kind of writer. I could be wrong of course.

And of course passion is a plus, but what's important is that he's passionate about the same things that the audience is passionate about.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to yell "There IS more to life than Marlena!" at me. I don't think I said life or even DAYS had to revolve around Marlena, just that I think it's important that a head writer should get who the main heroine is.

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Jul 30 2008, 07:24 AM
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Jul 30 2008, 01:49 AM
Personally I think the general fans of Days are made up of fanbases, and supercouple fans.
And you base this on what? Message boards? You honestly think the Average Mrs. Joe Cool who records this show just to watch to put her feet up cares about fanbases and supercouples? I'll warrant at least 70% of the folks who watch Days don't even care about message boards.
Even if this is true, what about the fanbases that aren't made up of John and Marlena fans? the Jate fanbase, small as it probably is, still exists. They're not general fans? I can't stand Marlena or old John or that couple. So, I don't warrant a mention? Yes, I like Bo and Hope and Steve and Kayla, but you know, if the writing was good, I would have survived Bo and Billie or even Steve and Billie or Steve and Ava. Oh, yeah, and if there's a couple that's not thrown together just because.
What about Broe versus Phloe versus Phorgan? Two years ago, Shimi versus Shelle? Ejami versus Lumi? Where does it stop?
IF your assumption is true, also, that means catering to these fractured little groups caused the true general fans to leave more and more. MAYBE that's the problem with the ratings (if those can be an accurate measurement.)
But, then again,the problem with ratings is it takes into account a small percentage. SoapNet folks don't count. Non-Tivo DVR recording people like me don't count in the ratings. Regular DVR and VCR people don't count.
OK, I'm getting on my tangent again. I could post a book of disagreement on this, but I'd better stop.
No I don't base it on message boards, LOL I base it on nothing more than my own gut feeling, and the fact that I consider myself to be a general fan. I never said that I think general fans are all J&M fans :lol:
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Jul 30 2008, 02:16 PM
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But Jiggs, you should read some of his blogs..The guy is very passionate about Days and about the soap genre..And he actually takes time for chat sessions...He's a really cool guy...And a talented script writer..But i do think the head writer position would probably be too much for him to take on..i just wish he hadn't have been screwed over by the writers strike for Dena Higley and her team..
I've read his blog, and listened to his radio interviews. I'm not saying he's not passionate about soaps or doesn't have some good ideas and opinions, I just don't think I would like him as the head writer of Days. He strikes me as being somewhat similar to Higley in that he's interested in telling stories that he's interested in, but nobody else is. (Thank you Erika Slezak).
How do you know that? Once again, using the term "nobody" is one that insinuates everyone thinks like you. They don't. I, for one, agree with those who feel Tom's passion is a plus. There IS more to life than Marlena!
And, for the umpteenth time, I will once again give high KUDOS to Tim (Phoenix) and his remarks about the problems with fanbases. Ken Corday's penchance for wanting to cater to all of them has caused a lot of problems. And, then I'll hear someone post "He didn't cater to MINE", and that will prove my point, because he tries to make them all happy. Thus, anything good for any character doesn't last long, because then he has to try to make the other side happy.
I cannot lambast a writer simply because because he/she doesn't cater to my favorites. I would have quit when Marlena and Don Craig broke up. (wait, I DID! LOL. But not for that reason. Real life, no VCR, and realizing soaps are fictional did. I kept up with the newspaper, just enough).
So, I would have quit when they broke up Shimi. BUT, I saw other reasons to watch. Yeah, the writing for Shelligan's Island was pretty bad, but I always managed to find something good in the show. That's part and parcel of being a general fan who realizes that I can't always get my way in life.
I didn't say I knew that... I said that it "seemed to me" that he would be that kind of writer. I couldn't possibly know it since he's never been a head writer. It's my opinion on him based on everything I've heard him say. And it was Erika Slezak who gave me that quote: "She [Dena Higley] wants to write for her own characters and she wants to write stories that she thinks are interesting but nobody else does."

I happen to agree with the actress about Higley, and from what I've heard of Mr. Casiello, he strikes me as the same kind of writer. I could be wrong of course.

And of course passion is a plus, but what's important is that he's passionate about the same things that the audience is passionate about.

I'm not sure why you felt the need to yell "There IS more to life than Marlena!" at me. I don't think I said life or even DAYS had to revolve around Marlena, just that I think it's important that a head writer should get who the main heroine is.

ITA Jiggs! :hail:
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