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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,356 Views)
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Alrighty then I was reading thru the post and man did we get way off subject matter ... from what I can tell the scoop is out there and is in sort of a holding pattern ... don't know what the WGA is doing, haven't heard any concrete information on who the actress was who was re-wrting material .... not sure if Higley is still the HW or if there has been any fall out really! No word for Corday! No more info from Nelson .... so could this all just pass?
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Steve Frame
Jul 30 2008, 07:31 AM
People keep throwing up the budget - the biggest problem with all the soap opera budgets is not necessarily the amount of money they have but it is more to do with how they spend what money they have.

As I have said before, they could use less writers than they do. That would save them money.

They can cut back on the wardrobe. Let the actresses and actors wear outfits more than once. Do as they did in the 60's and 70's when it was reported that the costumers dressed the performers in clothes that the average housewife could afford to buy in her local stores in the mid-West.

They can better use the actors and actresses they have. Instead of using someone who has a 3 day guarantee more often than they are supposed to, but that person back to what they are paying them for.

Instead of paying actors for work like the vets and never using them - actually use them for what they are getting paid for. Some actors get paid for months and you don't even see them.

And stop bringing in people like Shirley Jones when you can get someone cheaper and promote the story and not the hiring of an actress or actor for way more than you can actually afford.

Those right there would save the shows alot of money.
Great post! ITA! I see so much waste on this show.
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I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
I think he mentioned in an interview once that Hogan's team didn't understand J&M or it took him a while to understand them or something... and with J&M fans, that's the bottom line. You don't understand J&M and you're a terrible writer, apparently, LoL.
Only problem with your theory is, if he doesn't get J&M, and doesn't get Marlena, then it's a good bet that he doesn't get a lot of other characters and couples either. I wouldn't want to take that chance.
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Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
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Jul 30 2008, 07:43 AM


"You weren't cartoons at all."

I stand by my dislike of this clown!
Yea, standing right next to you LOL
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ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 02:59 PM
Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
Wow! 169 pages of discontent, tears, stress and speculation for nothing!???
Not that I wish for anything to explode or any drama for Days, but if this was just a false news item, I will feel like such a fool for wasting all of this time on nothing.
I wish someone would say something soon...even if it is "my mistake".

It was nice to see everyone on here listening to all the theories and being pretty decent to one another. That's a plus!
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Jul 30 2008, 09:49 AM
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I don't know what else you can do without Days doing something that is seen as "been there, done that." The only thing that can be done is taking things and putting new spins on the,.

There are only a handful of original plots in this world, and every book/TV/movie that comes out is just a spin on one of those.

The problem isn't coming up with something new - the problem is the execution. It doesn't matter as much what the plot is as how it is portrayed. A writer can make anything seem new and fresh if they're talented enough.
Thank you, Sariah! :hail:
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"Beginning on August 11, things are going to look a whole lot different in Salem, as DAYS will offer special programming because of NBC"s Olympic coverage.

Two limited story arcs will play out. One will will in the hospital and will center around Stefano , and the other will be Nicole's Drunken fantasy that takes place in the 1940's and will have a film noir feel.

After the two weeks, DAYS will pick up where they left off with bigger, ongoing stories.

The hospital story will feature Kayla/Steve/EJ/Sami/Nicole/Tony/Anna/ John/Marlena. Nicole sees something shocking in the hospital that kicks off her "film noir" fantasy that will focus on Lucas/Sami/Chloe/Nicole/EJ."

Ljacks13 posted this earlier today. So I wonder who wrote these arcs? And why is it that the regular stories weren't good enough to lead into the Olympics? Someone remarked that this has the NBC suits' fingerprints all over it, and I agree. Maybe it's time for one of the other networks to pick up DAYS and start making big and important changes. Of course, with the way things are looking and smelling right now, who would want to touch it?

ABC has been interested for a long time, but who wants to pick up a show with all this stuff going on behind the scenes?
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Jul 30 2008, 03:06 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 02:59 PM
Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
Wow! 169 pages of discontent, tears, stress and speculation for nothing!???
Not that I wish for anything to explode or any drama for Days, but if this was just a false news item, I will feel like such a fool for wasting all of this time on nothing.
I wish someone would say something soon...even if it is "my mistake".

It was nice to see everyone on here listening to all the theories and being pretty decent to one another. That's a plus!
Don't get too upset. I was just throwing stuff out there. :D
The topic seemed to be getting askewed, and other wild things are going on out there on this discussion on other boards.
I heard at the chat that someone said this was a jealousy issue about NB? I find that hard to believe.
Ah, the truth...will it ever be known????
On to mundane things like folding towels.
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Dr. Chip
Jul 30 2008, 03:16 PM
but who wants to pick up a show with all this stuff going on behind the scenes?
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ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 02:59 PM
Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
Whether or not that has happened, this is far different from spoilers. I'm not sure why the studio would ever put out a false item making their head writer and one of their actresses look this bad.
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ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 03:17 PM
I heard at the chat that someone said this was a jealousy issue about NB? I find that hard to believe.
Why?


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Ah, the truth...will it ever be known????
Probably!
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Jul 30 2008, 07:36 AM
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I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
I think he mentioned in an interview once that Hogan's team didn't understand J&M or it took him a while to understand them or something... and with J&M fans, that's the bottom line. You don't understand J&M and you're a terrible writer, apparently, LoL.
Only problem with your theory is, if he doesn't get J&M, and doesn't get Marlena, then it's a good bet that he doesn't get a lot of other characters and couples either. I wouldn't want to take that chance.
Not necessarily. I've always understood Bo, Hope, Steve and Kayla's appeal (as well as other couples that are off the show - like Jack & Jennifer), Sami and Lucas, etc. But I have never really understood John and Marlena's appeal to fans. Why they are so popular and whatnot. I mean, I can kinda understand Marlena being as popular as she is. I mean when she's written well, Deidre hits it on all cylinders and makes the character worth watching (eg. late last year).. but John? Well he never appealed to me until they infused some character and personality into him with NuJohn.

For all the stuff Casiello, Sheffer and the rest of that writing team are getting, no one's pointed out that they may not have gotten John and Marlena, but they did find a way to make it so they would want to write for them. And in a way that played on history (ie. Stefano's mind-warping of John) and evolved a character into something interesting (ie. milquetoast John into robotic, brutally honest and witty John) that they would want to write for. So I think they deserve a little bit of credit for trying on that end. It makes me wonder about what would've happened had the strike been averted and the direction Sheffer would have taken them in.
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So this thread has kind of fizzled...nothing new huh?
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Ellie
Jul 30 2008, 03:20 PM
ladyofthelake
Jul 30 2008, 02:59 PM
Back to the original topic of discontent....is it possible, JUST possible that Nelson (and others) got one of those false news items that the studio sometimes puts out to see who might be leaking stories? The things I think of while I do dishes.....just curious as to someone's thoughts on that.
I've heard of that happening with spoilers.
Whether or not that has happened, this is far different from spoilers. I'm not sure why the studio would ever put out a false item making their head writer and one of their actresses look this bad.
To answer your two questions:
#1. Even if said actress in question was jealous, do you honestly think Ed Scott would jeopardize his career to cater to her in that capacity? I mean, after all, you question whether a false blind rumor would go out and how it would jeopardize the reputations of all involved. Why would this be any different?
#2. How do you document the reasoning behind "Said Actress did this because she was jealous of NB's screentime?" How do you prove that?
#3. Doesn't sound more logical that said actress and Ed Scott would risk ethics and legalities to pull the show out of a quagmire because the more appropriate avenues didn't work, rather than some actress being pissed because she was jealous of someone's screen time?
#4. Why are you so ready to believe this about said actress (or at least question my doubts about it) when you jumped my ass a week or so ago when I brought over gossip that included tidbits about YOUR favorite actress, accusing me of saying this merely because I don't LIKE your favorite actress's character? (OK, I'm backing off on this one, because I'm not ready to fling any more shit, but that has to be said. That seems like a double standard to me).
#5. I threw that out there as a possibility. I'm looking at all avenues and reasons as to why things are suddenly quiet. Actually, except for NBC and Sony (to a point), other boards aren't jumping so hot and heavy on this bandwagon.
#6. Actually, I still hold to my original theory, with the added bonus of Ken Corday talking Dena into staying and that she just threw one of those damn "I'm walking! Talk me out of it so you can show me you love me!" hissies. I don't have proof of that. I just base it on the tones of her blogs...the tone that she seems to be asking for validation and attention. I also still hold to my theory that said actress and Ed Scott did this to help pull the show out of a shithole, not to give the actress more screen time. Hell, how could she have TIME to have more screentime?
#7. I also hold to the theory that the truth lies in the middle and that the word "diva" was probably not the appropriate word to use. Neither was "heartbreaking" IF my theory is true.
#8. If said actress is jealous, so be it. She's human. But I don't want to be jumped on if that speculation ever comes up about anyone else and it gets mentioned. All these actors, then, must be fair game.
#9. Damn, I keep coming up with more points! Said actress does not have a HISTORY of this type of attitude, at least not from what I've read from the past few years. I have heard of her going on boards to DEFEND her fellow actors. Case in point: a time when someone bashed Drake H. for some possible misperceived rudeness on an airplane. I dunno. It was on a board where actor bashing wasn't allowed anyway. If this wasn't said actress, it was a very good imitator who came to his defense. Until just now, I haven't heard anything about her being a bitch or rude to anyone. A few are now saying she's a bitch in person...but I've heard that about others, too. OThers have said she's as sweet as can be. Could be a matter of perception? Could be the actress was having a bad day? I don't hear these negative comments about her, as a whole. Just a few random ones that are thrown in there to supposedly back up any negative comments about her, such as this.
There, I've said my peace and counted to 10. (Or is it 5? What was it that Holly Hunter's character said in "O Brother Where Art Thou?")
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Well, I think we just have to wait until Nelson has something to report.
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LadyoftheLake, you're misunderstanding my question. My question was actually not related to our discussion last week. I was neither sticking up for Nadia nor saying I agreed with the gossip about her. I was simply asking why someone would have a hard time believing that one actress is jealous of another. To me, that seems a pretty innocuous thing to say about an actress, or anyone, for that matter. You seemed to think it wouldn't be plausible. (Though perhaps I was misunderstanding your post as well.) Again, given that my question was one word, I'm not sure how you read into it that I'm "so ready to believe this" about her or that I'm accusing you of anything.

As for the 'false rumor' parts of your post, that's fine, we can agree to disagree. You said, "just curious as to someone's thoughts on that", so I provided mine. :smile:
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Jul 30 2008, 03:29 PM
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Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
I think he mentioned in an interview once that Hogan's team didn't understand J&M or it took him a while to understand them or something... and with J&M fans, that's the bottom line. You don't understand J&M and you're a terrible writer, apparently, LoL.
Only problem with your theory is, if he doesn't get J&M, and doesn't get Marlena, then it's a good bet that he doesn't get a lot of other characters and couples either. I wouldn't want to take that chance.
Not necessarily. I've always understood Bo, Hope, Steve and Kayla's appeal (as well as other couples that are off the show - like Jack & Jennifer), Sami and Lucas, etc. But I have never really understood John and Marlena's appeal to fans. Why they are so popular and whatnot. I mean, I can kinda understand Marlena being as popular as she is. I mean when she's written well, Deidre hits it on all cylinders and makes the character worth watching (eg. late last year).. but John? Well he never appealed to me until they infused some character and personality into him with NuJohn.

For all the stuff Casiello, Sheffer and the rest of that writing team are getting, no one's pointed out that they may not have gotten John and Marlena, but they did find a way to make it so they would want to write for them. And in a way that played on history (ie. Stefano's mind-warping of John) and evolved a character into something interesting (ie. milquetoast John into robotic, brutally honest and witty John) that they would want to write for. So I think they deserve a little bit of credit for trying on that end. It makes me wonder about what would've happened had the strike been averted and the direction Sheffer would have taken them in.
The difference is you are a viewer, not the head writer. I don't get all the characters or couples either, but I'm not hoping to be the head writer either. They are paying this person millions to know this stuff... if they don't get a well established character or couple then they oughtta do a little research and try to figure it out.

As for them changing John into a character they want to write for, that's fine if they choose to do that and they get some new fans for the character, but they risk alienating the fans that did love the old John. I mean, why don't they do that to all the established characters? Kill off Bo and bring him back with a new fun personality that snarks at all the Brady's and throws Hope's head into a door? Since I'm not necessarily a Bo fan, I might enjoy that! But I doubt long time Bo fans would like it. And that's the risk they take.

Of course they could have pleased all fans by bringing back this nuJohn and also keeping it a J&M story and slowly integrating new and old John together and showing the connection J&M have had no matter what his name has ever been. But they chose not to go that route, and so you have J&M fans tuning out because they don't like nuJohn and can't root for him, but you have a smaller group who finds the character entertaining but who probably aren't that invested in him in the long run.

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Jul 29 2008, 11:54 PM
I hope the same goes for Tom Casiello.
Why? What did he do that was so terrible?
I think he mentioned in an interview once that Hogan's team didn't understand J&M or it took him a while to understand them or something... and with J&M fans, that's the bottom line. You don't understand J&M and you're a terrible writer, apparently, LoL.
Only problem with your theory is, if he doesn't get J&M, and doesn't get Marlena, then it's a good bet that he doesn't get a lot of other characters and couples either. I wouldn't want to take that chance.
Not necessarily. I've always understood Bo, Hope, Steve and Kayla's appeal (as well as other couples that are off the show - like Jack & Jennifer), Sami and Lucas, etc. But I have never really understood John and Marlena's appeal to fans. Why they are so popular and whatnot. I mean, I can kinda understand Marlena being as popular as she is. I mean when she's written well, Deidre hits it on all cylinders and makes the character worth watching (eg. late last year).. but John? Well he never appealed to me until they infused some character and personality into him with NuJohn.

For all the stuff Casiello, Sheffer and the rest of that writing team are getting, no one's pointed out that they may not have gotten John and Marlena, but they did find a way to make it so they would want to write for them. And in a way that played on history (ie. Stefano's mind-warping of John) and evolved a character into something interesting (ie. milquetoast John into robotic, brutally honest and witty John) that they would want to write for. So I think they deserve a little bit of credit for trying on that end. It makes me wonder about what would've happened had the strike been averted and the direction Sheffer would have taken them in.
The difference is you are a viewer, not the head writer. I don't get all the characters or couples either, but I'm not hoping to be the head writer either. They are paying this person millions to know this stuff... if they don't get a well established character or couple then they oughtta do a little research and try to figure it out.

As for them changing John into a character they want to write for, that's fine if they choose to do that and they get some new fans for the character, but they risk alienating the fans that did love the old John. I mean, why don't they do that to all the established characters? Kill off Bo and bring him back with a new fun personality that snarks at all the Brady's and throws Hope's head into a door? Since I'm not necessarily a Bo fan, I might enjoy that! But I doubt long time Bo fans would like it. And that's the risk they take.

Of course they could have pleased all fans by bringing back this nuJohn and also keeping it a J&M story and slowly integrating new and old John together and showing the connection J&M have had no matter what his name has ever been. But they chose not to go that route, and so you have J&M fans tuning out because they don't like nuJohn and can't root for him, but you have a smaller group who finds the character entertaining but who probably aren't that invested in him in the long run.

There's nothing wrong with taking a character that is bland and trying to make something of him.
I could be wrong, but I don't think head writers make "millions".

And yeah, I'm a viewer. But how else do you start to understand a character than by watching them? I've never seen John's appeal. I mean, I understand he's a good guy with a pretty interesting history and his feuding with Stefano is pretty entertaining.. but. I just never understood why he alone appealed to anyone.

I was just saying that they took a stale character and injected new life into him without changing history or anything of the usual "change the character to fit the story" stuff that has been done with others in the past. They, at least, gave a good reason as to his change in character and personality. And I'm sure there's many interesting avenues they could go with him regaining his memories, while maintaining the entertaining qualities he got as a result of his change.

Bo doesn't need that. Nor does Steve. The history and character traits of those two are interesting and the actors play it up as they should... I mean. Well, look. John's always been a big part of the show and he has this cool history to his character that's undergone so many things.. but the performance, execution and writing of John Black never achieved the heights of cool and edgy that his history should warrant. He was a conman, assassin, mercenary used by Stefano to get what he wanted. He probably lived a thousand lives before he came to Salem and it just never came across on the screen. He came off artificial and fake, like some kinda uncle at a family reunion.. but now? He's pretty awesome. Witty as fuck, dresses sharp, and just has this blunt attitude about all things. And he has that villainous edge.
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Some head writers do make millions or close to it.

William J. Bell was clearly nearly a million in 1976 working for 2 shows. I know he had ownership in Y&R and that helped.

But others over the years have gotten close to that number.
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