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| Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED | |
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| Tricky | Jul 30 2008, 09:55 PM Post #2561 |
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because they are a cornerstone supercouple of the whole show and have been for years, building many many fans.... :applause: |
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| Red Mist | Jul 30 2008, 09:58 PM Post #2562 |
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I think it will fade. If it is good for the show then I am ok with it. I still wish we knew more about the situation though. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 30 2008, 10:30 PM Post #2563 |
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OK, after seeing Tuesday's show (finally) I wonder if the 'leak' (whoever it was), if this is true, said it was the 'diva' we all (by now) have heard it is, just to cover up THE REAL diva: Deidre Hall. Come on, what was with Marlena kicking butt and taking names for almost no reason? First, the one that REALLY sent up a red flag: chewing out Trent just because he skipped a girl in the goddamn coffee line. Some of her scenes with EJ were quite melodramatic and over-the-top too. I don't know; I just thought some things were off about that episode. As if they clearly were written to make the character more 'strong' these days, and a vibrant player. |
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| Hergie23 | Jul 30 2008, 10:47 PM Post #2564 |
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Do you seriously think after over 30 years on the soap and at the age of 60 that she would be runnin around the studio claiming that she is co-writing the show? Come on. Check her out. She's just havin fun. http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Soaps-News/Days-Lives-Preview/800044137 |
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| Ives | Jul 30 2008, 10:55 PM Post #2565 |
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I have to ask this again because my first post about this got lost in the shuffle a gazillion pages back. As I read Nelson's report, all that it says to *me* is this actress rewrote dialogue for her and her scene partners. Is THAT such a crime? As I listened to Tom's Buzzworthy radio interview, it is not that uncommon and dialogue rewrites normally do not go through the head writer unless if the Executive Producer is concerned that they may affect future storyline directions. Frankly, the fact that *she* was reported to allegedly have said by another party that she is a head writer along with Ed just sounds it could be some kind of fluff - I definitely did not get the impression it was a literal statement by Nelson Branco that she is actually fulfilling head writing duties. What was the context in what she said it? Was she making an off hand joke? Was the person who heard someone who has an agenda against her? Based on that one statement in the article, I just don't see how there is enough information to really make a judgment about what this person has done (even without knowing who it is). Otherwise, I just saw the report making claims about dialogue rewrites and that does not seem so offensive to me. At least an actor is looking at and thinking about their lines ahead of time. Which, unfortunately, may not occur as much as it should among the actors. Edited by Ives, Jul 30 2008, 10:57 PM.
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| Matt | Jul 30 2008, 10:59 PM Post #2566 |
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Well, the rumor that has come out from other sources state that it's not just a case of rewriting a scene here and there and a couple of lines of dialog. It also includes rewriting lines for scene partners that make this performer look better than them as well as (if I remember what I've heard correctly) cutting scenes of other performers this particular performer believes they are now in competition with. |
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| JustJo | Jul 30 2008, 11:00 PM Post #2567 |
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Deidre Hall is one smart lady with lots of experience in several phases of the business. She would never go around bragging that she was co-head writer, and she would never write such crap for her character as we've seen. |
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| Ives | Jul 30 2008, 11:02 PM Post #2568 |
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I don't think and I haven't seen any proof of anyone literally doing that. As I mentioned before, it is like Mary Beth Evans getting raked over the coals for a JOKE she made (in a private conversation overhead by a reporter and not a joke made to the press) about maybe she should have stayed at ATWT after they won the Emmy. The context for the headwriting comment and the actual actions behind it are WAY, WAY more relevant than hearsay from someone who talked to Nelson. And I haven't seen any reporting of either the context or the actions. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 30 2008, 11:05 PM Post #2569 |
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Exactly. The 'diva' could have been in some producer's office or something when someone walked by, and she joke to HIM, "oh, I guess I'm the head writer or something." A laugh between friends is overheard by someone walking by, and it becomes something far bigger than it was. And maybe some think Marlena's material was crap but come on; what WAS that on Tuesday? I believe it was Tripp who called her "defender of the people." That was SO pro-Marlena. In the most obviouos way. |
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| Ives | Jul 30 2008, 11:09 PM Post #2570 |
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But is that rumor any different than the blind item stuff being thrown around. I have been to so many other boards where they are basically stating that this actress is "writing the show" as if that is a fact that has been reported. A rumor is a rumor and if people want to label someone or make a judgment from it, that is certainly their right. I just feel like this "rumor" or educated guess has been blended in people's minds as if that is what has actually been reported on. Kind of like how for quite awhile a few days ago, people were pretty sure that the cokehead blind item should be blended with this "overblown diva" report. I am not trying to criticize people - I guess for me it is important to distinguish between what has been *reported* because the reporter felt the facts and information has been substantiated, and what is more or less a rumor in the sense that it seems like it has not been sufficiently confirmed or trusted to rise to level of someone actually coming out and reporting it. |
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| Deleted User | Jul 30 2008, 11:13 PM Post #2571 |
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I agree that we shouldn't blend the cokehead and diva rumors. I have no reason to believe they're the same person (especially if the diva is who I think it is!) And I think it's fun just to speculate. I'm not damning Dee (my guess, after Tuesday's RIDICULOUS episode! :lol:), and I know this may all be just a rumor. But if you watch the show, it's fun to put two and two together and try to make your best guess on the 'diva.' It's like a much more fun, REAL version of "the gloved one." |
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| Hergie23 | Jul 30 2008, 11:20 PM Post #2572 |
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I don't disagree. The scenes were very out of place. But she's been written terribly for months. She has had a few pointless scenes. The ones with Dr. Dan, Victor at the bar, Stephanie at the pub. Pointless. They are just trying to throw her in places b/c she's not with John. Besides that, I don't think she would write that dialogue for herself. I love Marlena but she came off as bitchy and pompous. Even I was like, WTF Doc? Chill out. Although I would be a bitch too if my back from the dead love of my life husband was doing the deed with another woman and pretty much rubbin it in my face. Obviously, I am biased. But I would bet money that this diva isn't Deidre. I have followed her very closely over the years. I have met her in person and have probably listened to or read every interview she has ever done. She has NO interest in writing for herself. She is also Days of Our Lives biggest supporter, as evidenced by her interviews. She speaks positively about it even when it sucks. And, if you know what is going on with her now, she's happier than she's ever been. I guess I'lll look pretty stupid if I'm wrong. But, like I said, I'd put money on it. Edited by Hergie23, Jul 30 2008, 11:20 PM.
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| Ives | Jul 30 2008, 11:35 PM Post #2573 |
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I totally get the fun in speculating or even joking about the situation. That doesn't make me think twice. It is just when I see a bunch of real venom being aimed at this actress (which is really happening on a lot of boards), based on a rumor and a potentially very non-literal comment, that I get a little uncomfortable that the line between truth and speculation is getting blurred and forgotten in the hype of the overall story/scandal. And just a disclaimer, I am not a huge fan gurl of this actress . Edited by Ives, Jul 31 2008, 12:19 AM.
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| Jiggs | Jul 31 2008, 12:06 AM Post #2574 |
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Ok, seriously is Alison Sweeney the diva-who-must-not-be-named? I love how nobody will say her name but if they think it's Deidre Hall or someone else, the name is typed out :laugh: |
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| deefanUBS | Jul 31 2008, 12:35 AM Post #2575 |
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Yeah, it definitely wasn't Deidre Hall. I actually have a hard time believing any of the actors working for DAYS or any other television program would do such a thing. Maybe some scripts were changed and maybe there was a casual conversation where this presumed actress stupidly joked with a friend, "yeah, I am writing the show. haha" and maybe someone overheard that. (they really should make a movie out of this) But to do as Nelson paints it...I just find that a wee bit hard to believe. |
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| Ellie | Jul 31 2008, 02:00 AM Post #2576 |
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You know what's funny? This episode had actually been posted here mid-June as a casting spoiler for "Evan", the guy behind the counter. All of his lines were posted, including the Marlena/Evan discussion about Trent and his ego. I think the point of the scenes was to highlight Trent's ego, of course at the expense of Marlena's character. Except this time, she was written as a bitch rather than as a doormat. Soon, maybe someone will get it right! |
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| PhoenixRising05 | Jul 31 2008, 02:06 AM Post #2577 |
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I hate to go back a bit but I want to touch on this. Just because a HW is paid to write does not mean they will get every character, family, or couple. You can watch all the clips and do as much research as you want but sometimes you still just don't get it. Just like many fans still don't get Steve and Kayla. Yes, if you were a fan of them in the 80's or just a Days fan back then, you get it (or a fair percentage does). More recent fans don't and no amount of clips, flashbacks, research, or whatever can change that. These writers are human and many often forget that. I'm sure they know who is important to the show and fans but some are just incapable and you can't just keep changing writers because every writer will have someone or some couple they just don't get it. There is no such thing as a perfect writer just like there is no such thing as a perfect person. No one knows it all and nothing can change that. Most writers will make an attempt at writing for a popular duo or character despite any difficulties they have because they know of the importance but the results often times aren't very good. Hogan's staff did that. When they took over, J&M were a mess. Both characters were destroyed by JER and many forget the wonderful stuff Hogan gave J&M in Fall 2006 (Smokey Robinson adventure, Italy and another wedding, a love scene). It was said that the story we got in Fall 2007 and winter 2008 was supposed to happen after EJ shot John but it got changed and Corday did not want J&M used. That is why the crappy dream thing was started and why they were backburnered for so long. At the end of their run, they went ahead with the idea they had wanted to initiate before and gave Marlena great stuff and then decided to make John into someone different because his character had been damaged by JER's run. Drake even confessed he hated what the character became. John and Marlena both were rejuvenated as characters and as a couple. Many fans who started disliking them began to like them again so Hogan and his team were cut just as they had things rolling. They still managed to work it all out despite all the interference and despite the fact they had a hard time grasping their characters. Just because a writer can't write for a character or couple doesn't mean they suck. It just means they are human. I just hate the whole "I just want my couple on all the time or together or doing this or doing that or whatever" mentality. It's contributed hugely to why the show is in trouble. Too much fanbase catering because SOME fans take things to the next extreme and feel they are entitled to whatever they desire. Not everyone will always be happy. We all are different. It's impossible to please everyone and Days' problem is there is so much division among fans that one action pisses off a group who wanted something different. It's an endless cycle and someone is always getting disappointed. It doesn't matter who writes as more then half the audience will always be unhappy. I've seen it over the past decade or more. I hate that what used to be a desire by the consensus to just want a good show that entertains and provides solid, character-driven drama has turned into more or less many different groups wanting different things and SOME fans running around acting like they are entitled to things. Whoever said that Days has the most polarizing fans hit the nail right on the head. I think the only thing Days fans and soaps fans in general are entitled to is getting a show that does it's best to give as many fans as it can what they want (because it's impossible to give everyone what they want) and that entertains and provides solid drama that respects the fans' intelligence and respects the history of the show and characters. That is what fans are entitled to IMO. It's not pushing one couple or fanbase over another or dropping potential stories out of fear of fanbases and so on. It's doing what is best for the show and trying to put on a good show. It's taking risks that may or may not lead to rewards. It's taking hold of an audience and engrossing them in the world each show should create. Days and all soaps need to get back to that because that is what most fans want or what they should want. It is all this that should supercede anything else. Edited by PhoenixRising05, Jul 31 2008, 02:08 AM.
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| Kevc1980 | Jul 31 2008, 02:59 AM Post #2578 |
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Thanks for the clip..It looks like Deidre is very excited about this..And i personally can't wait.. |
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| King | Jul 31 2008, 03:17 AM Post #2579 |
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If I were the headwriter of DAYS, there are three people I'd let re-write their dialogue - Dee, Suzanne, and Frances. Everyone else, read what is on your damn page. :lol: |
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| JGG1007 | Jul 31 2008, 04:01 AM Post #2580 |
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LMAO I totally agree & I like AS. Every other actress but Alison was named during all the speculation but now no one wants to say her name? IMO She is fair game in all this., Alison, Alison Alison! My final thoughts on this story is that it was all a SET-UP. That's right, call me CrAzY but you heard it hear first. I think DOOL set this all up to try and increase ratings. I think Dena set up the Canadian who reported this (sorry forgot his name at the moment) because she knew it would all blow up and in turn grab ratings. Why and how you ask because: 1) Alison Sweeney is a "top Star" and if she did change lines and do some writing think about it, how many will tune in to see if they can recognize changes? I already see posts about it on the boards. 2)Dena is still the headwriter 3)Ed Scott is still the Exec. producer 4)WGA will do nothing about it and they all knew this. Nothing else will come out of this but ratings. 5)The only one who may go down and look bad when all is said and done is the reporter and isn't that they way it has always been in journalism. **OF COURSE I just said all this w/o reading the thread since page 150 so if anything has changed my theory may be totally off!!LOL Edited by JGG1007, Jul 31 2008, 04:04 AM.
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