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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,349 Views)
OneBadKitty
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Gregorzick
Jul 31 2008, 06:55 PM
OBK, I understand how you feel but I don't think we've heard the last of this!!!
Hey, it was a nice thought anyway.
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OneBadKitty
Jul 31 2008, 06:51 PM
To be perfectly honest, I hope this whole thing just kind of dies. I hope and pray that the pet actress story was overexaggerated. I hope Nelson is not in hot water for publishing any of it. I hope the WGA shakes a warning finger and nothing else. I hope Ed Scott is here to stay.

And Days goes on just fine.

OBK, you just summed up my feelings with your post. I can not help it, I love ED. I think he has done more good then harm during his time on DOOLS.
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I don't even think majority should rule. Again I think it should be what is best for the show.

If majority ruled then many of the people who have been fired over the last few years would still be on the show in stories that are only being written because the majority ruled - and most likely those stories wouldn't be good.

In the end the producers and writers have got to first and foremost make the decision that is best for the show even if a majority does want things one way.

Right now the biggest problem that we have is esp. at Days they are trying to straddle the fence instead of making a decision.

One thing about the majority rules thing is that even though there might be a majority on one side of things - often times with Days there are quite a few viewers on the other side of the issue. They have to look at what is best for the show and which of those viewers do they want to anger enough to say goodbye to.

If you take into account the Internet and the people I know there are just as many people who want Stefano back and who feel Stefano's ship has sailed.

Well they listened to that group once again and brought Stefano back and I don't feel it is what is best for the show and many don't either. The same with John - they listened to the majority and did more damage to the show's credibility in the long run.

Even with the majority often times it is the majority's agenda that is being pushed and not the agenda of what is best for the show.

I think many times I could take more of the "pleas" from the couple, character, or performer fanbases more to heart if it was more about what was best for the show and not what was best for the fan base. Occassionally it is, but most of the time it is not. It is the same as those stupid focus groups that they listen too way too much. Those focus groups 9 times out of 10 don't have the shows best interest at heart at all.
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Some ejamis fans feel threatened by Nicole, so they like to bash her. Just like J&M fans like to attack Ava.
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Sindacco
Jul 31 2008, 06:59 PM
Some ejamis fans feel threatened by Nicole, so they like to bash her. Just like J&M fans like to attack Ava.
Just like how Lumi fans like to bash EJ. It goes for all fan bases not just 2 of them!
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Steve Frame
Jul 31 2008, 06:59 PM
I don't even think majority should rule. Again I think it should be what is best for the show.

If majority ruled then many of the people who have been fired over the last few years would still be on the show in stories that are only being written because the majority ruled - and most likely those stories wouldn't be good.

In the end the producers and writers have got to first and foremost make the decision that is best for the show even if a majority does want things one way.

Right now the biggest problem that we have is esp. at Days they are trying to straddle the fence instead of making a decision.

One thing about the majority rules thing is that even though there might be a majority on one side of things - often times with Days there are quite a few viewers on the other side of the issue. They have to look at what is best for the show and which of those viewers do they want to anger enough to say goodbye to.

If you take into account the Internet and the people I know there are just as many people who want Stefano back and who feel Stefano's ship has sailed.

Well they listened to that group once again and brought Stefano back and I don't feel it is what is best for the show and many don't either. The same with John - they listened to the majority and did more damage to the show's credibility in the long run.

Even with the majority often times it is the majority's agenda that is being pushed and not the agenda of what is best for the show.

I think many times I could take more of the "pleas" from the couple, character, or performer fanbases more to heart if it was more about what was best for the show and not what was best for the fan base. Occassionally it is, but most of the time it is not. It is the same as those stupid focus groups that they listen too way too much. Those focus groups 9 times out of 10 don't have the shows best interest at heart at all.
Regarding the focus groups, is that how Days conducts its chemistry tests, just using the focus groups?
I know that execs at ABC live and die by those darn focus groups, lol.
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Rakesh198
Jul 31 2008, 07:02 PM
Sindacco
Jul 31 2008, 06:59 PM
Some ejamis fans feel threatened by Nicole, so they like to bash her. Just like J&M fans like to attack Ava.
Just like how Lumi fans like to bash EJ. It goes for all fan bases not just 2 of them!
I never said it was just the two of them, I simply used those two as an exampel, my god, do I really have to write down every fanbase that hate a character in "their" couples storyline to get my point through?
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Jul 31 2008, 01:17 PM
Dragonish1
Jul 31 2008, 12:59 PM
Oh, I think TPTB should listen to fans. After all this is a show, its entertainment....its not a work of art by one for one...its something that is supposed to hold your interest and if the show can not do that then it is a failure.... it dies...If they want to keep a show on the air they have to keep ppl watching, and therefore they must listen to the audience.
Which fans are they supposed to listen to? The ones that want Lumi or the ones that want EJami or the ones that want neither? Do they go by volumne of mail, campaigns, etc? That is my problem with listening to the fans, who do you listen to?
THAT has been my source of frustration about this. Who do they listen to? So many people feel they are OWED. Personally, I think they should weigh a balance of things: letters that set a general mood and feel (and letters that can EXPLAIN their side instead of the vague mantras often chanted), input from respected actors (read: actors that aren't just concerned for their screentime), plus, they need a writer who actually WATCHES the end result. What a miracle it would be if the the producer (Ed) and the writer and director occasionally watched some episodes together to see the end results.................
AND, if they go to boards, they need to reach beyond NBC and Sony,both of which are heavily (and yes, sometimes unfairly) monitored. This board, SON, Television without Pity......getting a wide variety of posting input is beneficial. Personally, if I was a power, I would read posts that go into explanations and give opinions based on good old-fashioned debate skills rather than wahh-wahh, me-me posts and na-na-na-na-boo-boo posts. If a fan doesn't even try to take all points and factors into consideration as much as possible, that fan is rather unfair.
Aww, I might be slightly grumpy because I just got back from knee surgery,but shoot, what the heck. I can't do much beyond sit on my keister for a few days! :D
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Jul 31 2008, 11:55 AM
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Jul 31 2008, 10:24 AM
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Jul 31 2008, 10:14 AM
Dragonish1
Jul 31 2008, 09:10 AM
You know after reading upcoming spoilers about Steffy...I am starting to think I may actually like the work of ED and PET....If Higs wrote what I saw the other day when I tuned in I am sorry, but she stinks and did need tweaking with her work. I have heard it said before that Higs is a lazy writer and to me much of what has taken place over the summer is very lazy storytelling....I can see why ED may have been desperate to stop her before she put us all into acoma like Steffy's.


I am actually feeling some hope about the coming weeks....But I am very SAD that Higs is not gone. The woman came in with a bang, then got bored and began to just twang. I think I'd prefer JER over her...And that mountain was one I was so happy to hear got moved out of Salem yrs back....but so far everyone else since has either pissed me off more, or bored me to death with their sls....Not good....Not Good at all.
i agree if ali did take part in this i would not blame her one bit, especially if it gets me being able to tune in every single day again, i really miss my show, but as a fan i want to be heard. shutting down the mailroom and ignoring the very people who make or break you doesnt seem like a great idea, if its true and ali made changes and in two weeks from now i get ej and sami having an intimate moment i will not only applaud her i will encourage it to continue...no matter how unethical it might be....the person writing the last two months has created a ratings fiasco...they needed to be stopped...whoever it was...
I'm fairy certain that wouldn't be the direction Ali would take the story if she had any say in the matter.
I have heard something similar about AS' personal choice about whom she wants to be paired with. And there isn't an E or a J in his name ;)
so since things are still brimming for ejami i guess ali cant be the one who has written or re-written some scripts...i am just gonna keep watching for ej and sami till they make me go away...whoever wrote the material coming up 2-3 weeks is the writer i want.
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And what about all the outcry from fans, message-board posts, e-mails, etc., from people who sometimes aren't even watching the show? :-)
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Dr. Chip
Jul 31 2008, 07:36 PM
And what about all the outcry from fans, message-board posts, e-mails, etc., from people who sometimes aren't even watching the show? :-)
i do that if the show is not giving me what makes me happy and excited and interested to watch, i spend that hour writing out letters/emails/phone calls...i cant just stay silent and go away or i might never achieve what i need to see on dool.
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ladyofthelake
Jul 31 2008, 07:32 PM
If a fan doesn't even try to take all points and factors into consideration as much as possible, that fan is rather unfair.
WORD, WORD AND WORD!!!!

Lady, I hope your recupe is short and sweet. :tink:
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i dont think i am being unfair, just cause i dont watch something that upsets me, make me sad sometimes even has depressed me totally, i watch a soap for the happy factor if i dont watch cause its not giving entertainment i hope that dont make me unfair....they should write things better.
Edited by Tricky, Jul 31 2008, 07:42 PM.
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Tricky
Jul 31 2008, 07:41 PM
i dont think i am being unfair, just cause i dont watch something that upsets me, make me sad sometimes even has depressed me totally, i watch a soap for the happy factor if i dont watch cause its not giving entertainment i hope that dont make me unfair....they should write things better.
I don't think Lady was specifically calling you out Tricky, IMO.
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DolceDiMera
Jul 31 2008, 01:37 PM
I guess my problem with this is that mail volume does not reflect what the majority of fans want, because the majority of fans don't write in. I know I sure dont!
EXACTLY!!! I daresay most viewers don't post on boards, either. Or buy SOD.
Plus (and yes, I'll get reamed for it, but big deal).......I'm willing to bet the SAME people post, write, and call MULTIPLE times. I know there's someone who calls every day. ;)
Yes, on boards there are people who more than one username. There are people with more than one e-mail address. (Terry, anyone?). What's to keep someone really, er, 'passionate' from writing multiple letters, using the names of relatives and their addresses?
I think, if I was a power-that-be, letters than have one tone or negative letters would go in the trash. If a viewer can't get beyond one character or couple and are negative in their tone, do they really have the show's best interest at heart? Or their own agenda? I would think people who constantly harangue the studio without even considering the fact that these things take at least a month to execute don't have the show's best interest at heart. That's just my viewpoint. But again, bringing in my life as a teacher, the parent who barrages us about their kid without listening to all sides, or without hearing what the child can do to improve, or gets all bully and defensive...that parent doesn't get very far.
Whereas (back to TV), viewers who write in starting with a compliment on what they like then making positively toned suggestions.....viewers who acknowledge other characters....viewers who know how to criticize without being mean or snarky....I'll bet their views go a lot further.
Sure,people have the right to criticize and use a nasty mean tone BUT does that necessarily make it right?
OK, off the soapbox again.
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OneBadKitty
Jul 31 2008, 06:51 PM
I hope and pray that the pet actress story was overexaggerated.

Most likely

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I hope Nelson is not in hot water for publishing any of it.

I hope just the opposite. The man had no business shooting his mouth off the way he did - making such drama out of something that isn't anything close to what he made it out to be. This sort of attention certainly isn't anything DAYS needs right now. And really, all he did was make allegations. Show me the proof and maybe I will listen!

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I hope the WGA shakes a warning finger and nothing else.

I hope they come after Higley. She needs to accept that fact that she can't write sh*t and should just walk away quietly. Instead, not only did she screw DAYS over by driving their show into the ground, but now she's trying to get them involved in yet another legal mess when all they did was try to clean up HERS!

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I hope Ed Scott is here to stay.


So do I
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Steve Frame
Jul 31 2008, 06:59 PM
I don't even think majority should rule. Again I think it should be what is best for the show.

If majority ruled then many of the people who have been fired over the last few years would still be on the show in stories that are only being written because the majority ruled - and most likely those stories wouldn't be good.

In the end the producers and writers have got to first and foremost make the decision that is best for the show even if a majority does want things one way.

Right now the biggest problem that we have is esp. at Days they are trying to straddle the fence instead of making a decision.

One thing about the majority rules thing is that even though there might be a majority on one side of things - often times with Days there are quite a few viewers on the other side of the issue. They have to look at what is best for the show and which of those viewers do they want to anger enough to say goodbye to.

If you take into account the Internet and the people I know there are just as many people who want Stefano back and who feel Stefano's ship has sailed.

Well they listened to that group once again and brought Stefano back and I don't feel it is what is best for the show and many don't either. The same with John - they listened to the majority and did more damage to the show's credibility in the long run.

Even with the majority often times it is the majority's agenda that is being pushed and not the agenda of what is best for the show.

I think many times I could take more of the "pleas" from the couple, character, or performer fanbases more to heart if it was more about what was best for the show and not what was best for the fan base. Occassionally it is, but most of the time it is not. It is the same as those stupid focus groups that they listen too way too much. Those focus groups 9 times out of 10 don't have the shows best interest at heart at all.
I agree with you 100%. I also say if a show is really weel written, and well acted, people are going to tune in and watch. If characters and s/l's are organized correctly, you can eventually "hook" the viewers into what you are writing.
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Jul 31 2008, 05:42 PM
This listening to the fans thing is what is the biggest thing wrong with soaps now.

Yes they do need to listen to fans to see what is working and what is not.

But in the end they need to have the brains enough to know they need to decided what is best for the show in the long run. They are now making way too many decisions by letting the fans hold the show hostage and changing things for them when they are not good for the show.

Irna Phillips listened to her fans and so did Irving Vendig and others, but they did not let them control the show.

When Irna killed off Kathy on GL in 1958, that was the first big fan outcry - millions of letters and phone calls stormed the studio in protest to bring her back or undo it somehow. Today a producer would change that but Irna and Lucy Ferri didn't. They addressed the situation that death happens in life and that it happens there too.

The same things happened when Sara Karr was killed on EON in the early 60's, and then the biggest outcry ever was when Jeff Baker was killed in a car crash on ATWT in 1962. That was termed by the newspapers - one of the first times that soap news was picked up by the mainstream press - they called it the car crash heard around the world or something to that affect.

Today the outcry would have caused those deaths to be undone - story rewritten and the like. But it didn't back then. They stood firm with the decision.

As Matt said many times fans think they know what they want and what is best for the show, but many fans have their own agenda at heart and not what is best for the show overall.
"Mr. Frame', this is excellent. Excellent!!!!
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Jul 31 2008, 07:32 PM
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Jul 31 2008, 01:17 PM
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Jul 31 2008, 12:59 PM
Oh, I think TPTB should listen to fans. After all this is a show, its entertainment....its not a work of art by one for one...its something that is supposed to hold your interest and if the show can not do that then it is a failure.... it dies...If they want to keep a show on the air they have to keep ppl watching, and therefore they must listen to the audience.
Which fans are they supposed to listen to? The ones that want Lumi or the ones that want EJami or the ones that want neither? Do they go by volumne of mail, campaigns, etc? That is my problem with listening to the fans, who do you listen to?
THAT has been my source of frustration about this. Who do they listen to? So many people feel they are OWED. Personally, I think they should weigh a balance of things: letters that set a general mood and feel (and letters that can EXPLAIN their side instead of the vague mantras often chanted), input from respected actors (read: actors that aren't just concerned for their screentime), plus, they need a writer who actually WATCHES the end result. What a miracle it would be if the the producer (Ed) and the writer and director occasionally watched some episodes together to see the end results.................
AND, if they go to boards, they need to reach beyond NBC and Sony,both of which are heavily (and yes, sometimes unfairly) monitored. This board, SON, Television without Pity......getting a wide variety of posting input is beneficial. Personally, if I was a power, I would read posts that go into explanations and give opinions based on good old-fashioned debate skills rather than wahh-wahh, me-me posts and na-na-na-na-boo-boo posts. If a fan doesn't even try to take all points and factors into consideration as much as possible, that fan is rather unfair.
Aww, I might be slightly grumpy because I just got back from knee surgery,but shoot, what the heck. I can't do much beyond sit on my keister for a few days! :D
Sorry about your knee surgery, hope you recover well :) , and a big fat word to this post :rockon:
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Sindacco
Jul 31 2008, 07:31 PM
Rakesh198
Jul 31 2008, 07:02 PM
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Jul 31 2008, 06:59 PM
Some ejamis fans feel threatened by Nicole, so they like to bash her. Just like J&M fans like to attack Ava.
Just like how Lumi fans like to bash EJ. It goes for all fan bases not just 2 of them!
I never said it was just the two of them, I simply used those two as an exampel, my god, do I really have to write down every fanbase that hate a character in "their" couples storyline to get my point through?
It seemed like that so I was just letting you know. :D
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