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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
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Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,421 Views)
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Jul 28 2008, 02:44 PM
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- ElvisDiMera
- Jul 28 2008, 02:43 PM
I also don't think one altered script with notes by Ed and the actor is proof of Ed taking over the whole show and rewriting everything that comes to him from the writers.
Dena had to be involved up through the John and Ava sex because she crowed about it to SOD. These are her ideas. June and at least most of July were all Dena. There is no way Ed could rewrite the whole show by himself with a couple of actors. Most actors would refuse to write their own stuff. They wouldn't want to get in trouble or they would just know it's not their job and that they are better to do what they do best - acting - not writing.
I could see Deidre giving her input on the Stefano story and the stuff about Samantha since some of it is from over twenty years ago. No one on the writing staff has been involved with the show that long.
I think it's possible all of this is blown out of proportion and what we have is a couple of egos clashing and, personally, I think the person with the track record should win out. Ed Scott has over 20 years of proven success in an Executive Producer type role. Dena is a two time headwriter failure who is hated by actors and fans alike. The only reason she has this third job as a headwriter is Corday, and obviously, because she and her husband were willing to circumvent the rules of the strike in order to produce material for the show during it.
But we'll see how it shakes out. I just don't see that Higley is a victim in this because she seemed very much behind and proud of the 4th of July elevator episodes which were only a few weeks ago. If that was a rewrite, she had no control over, then why would she gush about it to SOD? Headwriters don't have to gush about their storylines. Leave it to the actors, the EP or Ken Corday. She was very proud of it and I think that's a huge reason why ratings are down is viewers not liking to see casual sex, long time beloved characters like Chloe suddenly acting like sluts and non-rooting couples in graphic sex scenes with their interlopers. To get these elevator scenes, she stalled the EJ & Sami love story which has a huge fan following, giving that fanbase nothing to hold onto in the weeks leading up to the elevator stuff.
She alienated fanbases and fanbases who are alienated TUNE OUT these days. In one episode, she alienated four separate fanbases. And most of you who watched OLTL while Higley ran that show know that that is right up Higley's ally and one of th reasons she is so hated. She pretends she cares about the fans but that never shows on screen. Actions speak louder than words as they say. ITA!!!! Great points!!
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e83talus
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Jul 28 2008, 02:46 PM
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- cjknick
- Jul 28 2008, 02:36 PM
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When Nelson said "top star" I immediately went back to Diedre. She's moving into this big story with Stefano.....and if this has just been going on for weeks, it might just now be making it to the screen, and that would also mean Higley did write the "elevator crap" and the "Java mess" that we've been subjected to........
A time line would be helpful - like when did all of this crap start to happen! If we have not seen it yet it could be DH - she is getting a dual role and we all know that sometimes leads to meaty material and an emmy nod! Deidre will be playing a dual role for two days only and then she goes into a coma. Stefano was brought back, not by Deidre but by Ken Corday due to the fans writing in about him. Joe Mascolo indicates in this weeks SOD or SOW that he has been working with the writers about his s/l and character direction because he wants them to get it right this time.
I simply don't see Deidre turning in a 180 degree turn from anything she has ever done and try to write for this show. In every interview she has ever given she says that there are people far smarter than she who are responsible for the s/l's on Days. This same thing can be said for KA, MBE and Allison Sweeney. Why would they decide to do something that they have not tried to do in over 20 years?
This sounds like a younger actress who has a swelled up head about being a "top star", not one of the real top stars that have never behaved in such a way.
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Jul 28 2008, 02:49 PM
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When Nelson said "top star" I immediately went back to Diedre. She's moving into this big story with Stefano.....and if this has just been going on for weeks, it might just now be making it to the screen, and that would also mean Higley did write the "elevator crap" and the "Java mess" that we've been subjected to........
A time line would be helpful - like when did all of this crap start to happen! If we have not seen it yet it could be DH - she is getting a dual role and we all know that sometimes leads to meaty material and an emmy nod!
Deidre will be playing a dual role for two days only and then she goes into a coma. Stefano was brought back, not by Deidre but by Ken Corday due to the fans writing in about him. Joe Mascolo indicates in this weeks SOD or SOW that he has been working with the writers about his s/l and character direction because he wants them to get it right this time. I simply don't see Deidre turning in a 180 degree turn from anything she has ever done and try to write for this show. In every interview she has ever given she says that there are people far smarter than she who are responsible for the s/l's on Days. This same thing can be said for KA, MBE and Allison Sweeney. Why would they decide to do something that they have not tried to do in over 20 years? This sounds like a younger actress who has a swelled up head about being a "top star", not one of the real top stars that have never behaved in such a way. I don't actually see Deidre doing this either! Unless her character was really being written out of character and all wrong she went to Ed and Ed thought so too! I can't however see her bragging about being a "writer"!
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Jul 28 2008, 02:52 PM
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Who said it was one script? Now you guys are making things up. They have scripts, breakdowns, everything including emails!
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Jul 28 2008, 02:53 PM
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- Jul 28 2008, 02:52 PM
Who said it was one script? Now you guys are making things up. They have scripts, breakdowns, everything including emails! Oh shit! It's going down in Burbank! :shithitfan:
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Jul 28 2008, 02:54 PM
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I simply don't see Deidre turning in a 180 degree turn from anything she has ever done and try to write for this show. In every interview she has ever given she says that there are people far smarter than she who are responsible for the s/l's on Days. This same thing can be said for KA, MBE and Allison Sweeney. Why would they decide to do something that they have not tried to do in over 20 years?
This sounds like a younger actress who has a swelled up head about being a "top star", not one of the real top stars that have never behaved in such a way. I don't usually follow backstage stuff, or used to not pre-Internets, so I don't know: who has a track record of behaving this way? Anyone?
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Jul 28 2008, 02:56 PM
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- e83talus
- Jul 28 2008, 02:46 PM
Deidre will be playing a dual role for two days only and then she goes into a coma. Is that a spoiler? If so, can you guys please use the spoiler tags? I'm one of those spoiler free people.
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Jul 28 2008, 02:57 PM
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I simply don't see Deidre turning in a 180 degree turn from anything she has ever done and try to write for this show. In every interview she has ever given she says that there are people far smarter than she who are responsible for the s/l's on Days. This same thing can be said for KA, MBE and Allison Sweeney. Why would they decide to do something that they have not tried to do in over 20 years?
This sounds like a younger actress who has a swelled up head about being a "top star", not one of the real top stars that have never behaved in such a way.
I don't usually follow backstage stuff, or used to not pre-Internets, so I don't know: who has a track record of behaving this way? Anyone? Without quoting Nelson, I do recall one of his hints made it seem like it was the person you'd least expect to be (I'm referring to the "top star").
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Jul 28 2008, 02:57 PM
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- Jul 28 2008, 02:52 PM
Who said it was one script? Now you guys are making things up. They have scripts, breakdowns, everything including emails! If they have scripts, breakdowns, and emails then these rewrites are more than changing dialogue. I would love to be a fly on the wall at NBC studios today. I can't wait to get statements from all parties involved because everyone will be covering their own ass.
Edited by JGG1007, Jul 28 2008, 02:58 PM.
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Jul 28 2008, 02:59 PM
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I can reveal that Josh Griffith is in a whole lot more trouble than this, on the Y&R side of things.
He is repped by Jim Sarnoff, and since he's taken over he's allowed ONLY Jim Sarnoff clients to write for Y&R, regardless of talent. This goes against the best wishes of the show.
Also, most of the writers who went Fi-Core during the strike were Jim Sarnoff clients and I wouldn't be surprised if many Sarnoff clients were secretly doing rewrites for DAYS and Y&R.
Josh Griffith has been pushing an agenda at Y&R FOR MONTHS now, and there's an apparent power struggle between him and Maria (and the best of the Bell's). I certainly can't blame Bloom for wanting him gone after this mess.
Oh, and if you've wondered why the same old hacks get recycled from soap to soap, look no further than Jim Sarnoff himself...
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Jul 28 2008, 03:00 PM
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Who said it was one script? Now you guys are making things up. They have scripts, breakdowns, everything including emails!
Oh shit! It's going down in Burbank! :shithitfan: Indeed. Out of ALL the things that have been put out there regarding Days' behind the scenes debacles, clusterfucks, rumors, rewrites, writer changes, etc....I believe THIS is the deal breaker people. I think Days has been fucked beyond repair.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:04 PM
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Nelson I think people are not wanting to think anything bad about Ed and that is their right.
I felt by what you said that it had to be more than one script - all this shit would not be made over one script. There is a big difference as I have said in interfering and actually doing what Ed is being accused of.
Also I felt most people would understand by what you said that it wasn't necessarily a friend of Dena's. I think you even said in here that it was someone close to Dena. That can mean anything from someone on staff that works close with Dena.
Many insiders are close to their sources but not friends with them.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:05 PM
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- Jul 28 2008, 02:12 PM
Yes, because actors writing STORYLINES, not dialogue, is a HUGE INFRACTION against Guild LAWS. Also, clearly no one on this soap will be allowed to write their own soap as head writer because producers are always interfering. I fear NBC will use this to cancel the show. It can't even afford craft services, let alone fines! This kind of meddling is what is destroying the show and the business! Ed has really improved Days on many production levels, but now if he goes, the soap suffers thanks to his stupidity! Also, the irony involved regarding the possibility that Dena (like Todd Manning getting out of jail for rape because he saved Sarah Roberts) may get a free pass from the Guild is crazy! I don't see why Dena would get a free pass from the Guild because these are two seperate issues. Her getting a free pass because the Guild feels sorry for her seems pretty hypocritical. If she was doing something wrong then she should pay for that...not be given a free pass because she got screwed over too. Maybe some other organization should investigate the WGA if they can handpick who they give free passes to.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:06 PM
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- Jul 28 2008, 02:52 PM
Who said it was one script? Now you guys are making things up. They have scripts, breakdowns, everything including emails! Well, I don't think even a few scripts, breakdowns and emails are automatically proof either. It depends what they contain and pertain to.
Exec. Producers have long interfered with scripts and put their own stuff into them. Ed Scott is definitely one of those types who do that.
Exec. Producers and the network interfere with Days all the time and try to tell the headwriter what to write.
The only thing about this that is new is that at least one actor and reportedly a few more are actually involved too.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:07 PM
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I can reveal that Josh Griffith is in a whole lot more trouble than this, on the Y&R side of things.
He is repped by Jim Sarnoff, and since he's taken over he's allowed ONLY Jim Sarnoff clients to write for Y&R, regardless of talent. This goes against the best wishes of the show.
Also, most of the writers who went Fi-Core during the strike were Jim Sarnoff clients and I wouldn't be surprised if many Sarnoff clients were secretly doing rewrites for DAYS and Y&R.
Josh Griffith has been pushing an agenda at Y&R FOR MONTHS now, and there's an apparent power struggle between him and Maria (and the best of the Bell's). I certainly can't blame Bloom for wanting him gone after this mess.
Oh, and if you've wondered why the same old hacks get recycled from soap to soap, look no further than Jim Sarnoff himself... This gets more insane by the minute.
So does this mean that basically, Maria(much like Dena on Days) has not been behind much the past couple months, and what about Hogan? Is he represented by Sarnoff too or is he like Rick on Days?
Ugh, this is so complex and complicated beyond words. Sony's soaps are in BIG trouble.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:09 PM
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The longer this thread gets the more confused I get.
Edited by leelee, Jul 28 2008, 03:10 PM.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:09 PM
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I can reveal that Josh Griffith is in a whole lot more trouble than this, on the Y&R side of things.
He is repped by Jim Sarnoff, and since he's taken over he's allowed ONLY Jim Sarnoff clients to write for Y&R, regardless of talent. This goes against the best wishes of the show.
Also, most of the writers who went Fi-Core during the strike were Jim Sarnoff clients and I wouldn't be surprised if many Sarnoff clients were secretly doing rewrites for DAYS and Y&R.
Josh Griffith has been pushing an agenda at Y&R FOR MONTHS now, and there's an apparent power struggle between him and Maria (and the best of the Bell's). I certainly can't blame Bloom for wanting him gone after this mess.
Oh, and if you've wondered why the same old hacks get recycled from soap to soap, look no further than Jim Sarnoff himself... :OhMy: .....and the plot thickens.... :popcorn:
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Jul 28 2008, 03:11 PM
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Sharongate, bitches!
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I can reveal that Josh Griffith is in a whole lot more trouble than this, on the Y&R side of things.
He is repped by Jim Sarnoff, and since he's taken over he's allowed ONLY Jim Sarnoff clients to write for Y&R, regardless of talent. This goes against the best wishes of the show.
Also, most of the writers who went Fi-Core during the strike were Jim Sarnoff clients and I wouldn't be surprised if many Sarnoff clients were secretly doing rewrites for DAYS and Y&R.
Josh Griffith has been pushing an agenda at Y&R FOR MONTHS now, and there's an apparent power struggle between him and Maria (and the best of the Bell's). I certainly can't blame Bloom for wanting him gone after this mess.
Oh, and if you've wondered why the same old hacks get recycled from soap to soap, look no further than Jim Sarnoff himself...
This gets more insane by the minute. So does this mean that basically, Maria(much like Dena on Days) has not been behind much the past couple months, and what about Hogan? Is he represented by Sarnoff too or is he like Rick on Days? Ugh, this is so complex and complicated beyond words. Sony's soaps are in BIG trouble. Well, Griffith has been having Maria's material rewritten FOR MONTHS, that's how Y&R is connected to this problem.
And yes, Hogan is a Sarnoff client too, as far as I know.
Sarnoff clients aren't all bad people, it's Sarnoff who is the evil one...
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Jul 28 2008, 03:11 PM
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People once again where you get into trouble is not telling a writer what to do - it is actually doing the writing.
It is not against the law to tell someone what and who to write for. You are not writing. Ed Scott is not a union writer and if he and this actress are writing the show - they overstepped and yes it will get them in big trouble with the WGA and bring big fines to Days.
There is a big difference. A big difference that people either are choosing to ignore because they like Ed and hate Dena.
If you want to call this no big deal then you have to give Dena a pass on the strike because it has been said many times that she only told her husband what to write and didn't do the writing.
There is a big big difference here.
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Jul 28 2008, 03:12 PM
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And the plot thickens.
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