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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,474 Views)
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OneBadKitty
Jul 27 2008, 11:04 AM
Well, I'm in the "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" camp.

I really think that it doesn't matter who writes for Days because they can't get around Ken Corday's micromanagement. Someone posted on another board that Douglas Marland could rise from the grave and write for Days and fans will still call for his ousting because of Corday not knowing how to run a soap.

I also think that continuous writing transitions only chip away even more at the show's foundation and eventually the show is going to collapse.
That is absolutely true. I can always tell when Corday has returned from one of his many vacations because all of a sudden things change out of the blue and for no apparent reason. Throughout all of the problems Days has had and the changes they have gone through, there has been one constant and that was Corday. Draw your own conclusions from that one.
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My guess is that DAYS is really going to change. I think that Higley wasn't given the opportunity to write what she wanted - the main reason BUDGET! So Higley takes the heat and was frustrated because all along she could not put foward the stories she actually wanted to tell. Plus I don't think she was given the amount of staff she wanted or needed why BUDGET! So hold on to your hats no matter what HW DAYS gets it will still be about the BUDGET! Plus vets cost more to use, they have more vacation time built up in their contracts so if you are looking for Vets to dominate Good Luck with That. More sets not going to happen! More storylines and shorter storylines well it cost more money to produce new storylines. So expect storylines to be longer. Be prepared for cast reduction, production crew reduction - I think a whole lot of changes are going down not just Dena leaving...

Days is in trouble ... it does not bode well to lose a HW only 7 months into her term after firing a string of them in the past 2-3 years. It does not bode well when Days was sitting pretty well in certain demographics a year ago and now they are second to last in those demo's... Days always prided themselves because they had the most loyal viewers ... seems like that's not true anymore!
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cjknick
Jul 27 2008, 11:12 AM
My guess is that DAYS is really going to change. I think that Higley wasn't given the opportunity to write what she wanted - the main reason BUDGET! So Higley takes the heat and was frustrated because all along she could not put foward the stories she actually wanted to tell. Plus I don't think she was given the amount of staff she wanted or needed why BUDGET! So hold on to your hats no matter what HW DAYS gets it will still be about the BUDGET! Plus vets cost more to use, they have more vacation time built up in their contracts so if you are looking for Vets to dominate Good Luck with That. More sets not going to happen! More storylines and shorter storylines well it cost more money to produce new storylines. So expect storylines to be longer. Be prepared for cast reduction, production crew reduction - I think a whole lot of changes are going down not just Dena leaving...

Days is in trouble ... it does not bode well to lose a HW only 7 months into her term after firing a string of them in the past 2-3 years. It does not bode well when Days was sitting pretty well in certain demographics a year ago and now they are second to last in those demo's... Days always prided themselves because they had the most loyal viewers ... seems like that's not true anymore!
I have been a loyal viewer for decades and during the past 5+ years I have felt that my loyalty has been disrespected, abused and mocked by Corday and his pals. I've been lied to time and again by TIIC to the point where I want to kick myself in my own ass if I ever believe a word that comes out of one of their mouths.

I've also been disgusted with the way Corday conducts business and treats his employees. How amoral is a man who signs actors to new contracts only to fire them a few months later? How spineless is a man who doesn't even have the balls to fire someone face to face and then to laugh about it a few weeks later when he rehires them?

All of this is cumilitative and adds to my overall disgust with the show and the decreasing amount of time I spend watching Days.
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cjknick
Jul 27 2008, 11:12 AM
Days always prided themselves because they had the most loyal viewers ... seems like that's not true anymore!
I have to object to this point. It's not that most DAYS fans aren't loyal; why should fans of the show sit back and just watch as some hack decimates the show that we love? As I've said before, it's not the viewers' job to tune in, it's the writers and producers' job to get us to tune in. And when they fail to do their job, this is what happens. I, as a fan, don't owe DAYS a damn thing.
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Mason
Jul 27 2008, 11:27 AM
cjknick
Jul 27 2008, 11:12 AM
Days always prided themselves because they had the most loyal viewers ... seems like that's not true anymore!
I have to object to this point. It's not that most DAYS fans aren't loyal; why should fans of the show sit back and just watch as some hack decimates the show that we love? As I've said before, it's not the viewers' job to tune in, it's the writers and producers' job to get us to tune in. And when they fail to do their job, this is what happens. I, as a fan, don't owe DAYS a damn thing.
EXACTLY!

I've given Days chance after chance after chance but this past year they have gone too far starting with article after article after article about how John Black was gone, Drake wasn't coming back only to find out we had been duped.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a third time, I stop watching.
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FanODays
Jul 27 2008, 11:31 AM
Mason
Jul 27 2008, 11:27 AM
cjknick
Jul 27 2008, 11:12 AM
Days always prided themselves because they had the most loyal viewers ... seems like that's not true anymore!
I have to object to this point. It's not that most DAYS fans aren't loyal; why should fans of the show sit back and just watch as some hack decimates the show that we love? As I've said before, it's not the viewers' job to tune in, it's the writers and producers' job to get us to tune in. And when they fail to do their job, this is what happens. I, as a fan, don't owe DAYS a damn thing.
EXACTLY!

I've given Days chance after chance after chance but this past year they have gone too far starting with article after article after article about how John Black was gone, Drake wasn't coming back only to find out we had been duped.

Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me a third time, I stop watching.
If they just wanted Drake to play a "new" character (like "Jawn"), they should have just kept Roman Roman, kept John dead, and have Drake return (after Marlena's big Kill Bill story that only materialized for... what? A week?) as the real Forrest Alamain. Maybe with Michael Sabatino as Lawrence to re-establish who he is. And you play the same story - Marlena struggling with seeing this man who "is" John, but "isn't" her John at the same time. It preserves John's memory, lets them play this "strong, independent" Marlena story, keeps Drake on the show in a "new" role, and the fans wouldn't feel like it was the SSK/Melaswen all over again.

But that's all irrelevant, just me being goofy. And I'm not saying that's even my ideal! My point is you guys are so right. The duping is so over the top, I don't know why anybody would take this show seriously anymore. All I'm trying to say is that there were other ways to get to this same point besides leading the audience down one path, than bailing at the last minute out of fear or whatever, and lying to them, and totally backtracking. Because now you've just lost our trust.

There's ALWAYS another means to an end. Lying to your audience is NOT the ideal choice. And now they're paying for it.
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cjknick
Jul 27 2008, 11:12 AM
Days always prided themselves because they had the most loyal viewers ... seems like that's not true anymore!
You're right, they did. Untill the last Reilly era totally eroding its audience, Days did have the most loyal fans that would come back when the show would get good. They came back after Langan's dreadful teen invasion of 2001, and they came back after Dena Higley's first awful run, till they saw how bad it was getting again.

You gotta show loyalty to those you expect it from, and they havent done that in a long time.
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cjknick
Jul 27 2008, 11:12 AM
My guess is that DAYS is really going to change. I think that Higley wasn't given the opportunity to write what she wanted - the main reason BUDGET!
I don't buy that at all. This woman has classic Higley trademarks in her writing that are just unmistakable when you spot them... and when you do spot them, there's no mistake as to where the blame lies.

Do I believe that Corday gave her 100% free reign? No. But at the same time, that's probably a good thing.
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It doesn't make a difference to me whether Corday had Higley on a tight leash or not. Either way, her writing sucks. Her return was destined to flop, no matter what, not just because of Corday, but also because Higley couldn't write her way out of a paper bag.
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Mason
Jul 27 2008, 11:51 AM
It doesn't make a difference to me whether Corday had Higley on a tight leash or not. Either way, her writing sucks. Her return was destined to flop, no matter what, not just because of Corday, but also because Higley couldn't write her way out of a paper bag.
Absolutely. Even when she was away from Days and away from Corday, she still sucked. Plain and simple, she's a bad writer.
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jules
Jul 27 2008, 10:29 AM
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Kevc1980
Jul 26 2008, 10:59 PM
A part of me would love to see the beloved Sheri Anderson get the job, mainly because at some point she would piss of the fanbases like every other writer has over the past 10 years..and her fans would turn on her so quickly and want her fired..
:laugh: Perfect! That's what I would totally expect.
No one could be any worse than Dena and what's been on the screen for the last two months IMO. If she thought it was a good idea to have two almost random couples going at it in an elevator during a blackout as just a reason to show sex, to put an actress who comes across as a teeny bopper with a mature doctor, to continue the incestous pairing of Stax, and continuing to show John as an amoral man and shacking up with an equally amoral woman in Ava, then I question her ability to guage what many people want to see. (not all, I know). At least with Sheri some may finally have some hope and if it ends badly, then I'm no worse off than I am right now.
My problem with Sheri is totally irrational, I know, but I'm tired of seeing her name touted all the time. And it's a personal quirk, but I see it touted by some boards people I don't consider very objective and who I think have their own selfish (yes, I said selfish) agenda behind it. I realize there are people whom I KNOW are objective about Sheri and it has nothing to do with their own personal agenda, However, I've had several years of her being shoved down my throat by others who aren't. Her very name just turns me off because of that. The REASONS these unobjective people gave me turned me off even more, because it was all about them and their favorites, instead of giving me a well-rounded, WHOLE SHOW reason.
I'm sure she's a perfectly wonderful writer and it's all me and my perspective, but that's that. And, since I more or less quit watching in the 80's more or less during her heyday, she couldn't have been all that wonderful, or I would have continued watching, at least in the summers! :D
OK, modify that: I loved Bo and Hope and Steve and Kayla when I watched. John and Marlena did nothing for me. When I watched. But, I don't remember much beyond John in bandages. I do recall some of Diana Colville and John and enjoyed them. But, by the mid to late 80's, I pretty much quit. NEVER watched during the 90's.

I need to make one more modification on my rant: :P When I say boards, I mean various boards, not necessarily ONLY this one.
Well considering your aforementioned dislike of J&M, then I am not surprised that you don't want a person who most of their fans like writing the show. We all come from our own personal bias. I admit mine and right now I would take any writer who I think might write well for them and who also wrote well for Payla/Bope.
But my take (as well as the take of quite a few others I've seen on boards is......)
If Sheri Anderson backburnered Doug and Julie, the ultimate supercouple, what makes you think she won't backburner J&M?
And, your assumption of me is rather unfair, to my perspective. I happened to love Steve and Kayla and Bo and Hope, and Sheri Anderson apparently wrote well for them, too. So, no, I doubt my non-hero-worship of Sheri Anderson has anything to do with just my dislike for John and Marlena. They just did nothing for me. I enjoyed Don and Marlena and Roman and Marlena, personally.
Oh, well, time for church.
My assumption is unfair to you LOL! You made many of those about what I wrote. Didn't say she wouldn't bb them, did I? Just said they had a chance with her. You often say how much you don't like J&M, so of course I would assume that colors your opinions. I already admitted my love of them does that for me. And from my perspective there are many fans (besides J&M ones) who would like to see Sheri write for the show again. And for the record, I don't think there is much of a chance that Corday would ever hire her. It's nice to dream though!
You know what? I'm going to stop this game. We have differing opinions, and we're both verging on poster bashing, and I'm not going to get dragged into that anymore just because I don't happen to like John and Marlena. We aren't going to change each others' minds, and insulting each other isn't going to help. So I'm dropping it. If you want to continue, you'll be talking to yourself.
Now, I wonder what Monday will bring????
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Jul 27 2008, 10:53 AM
Well if not Sherri,I would love Tom Casiello,I would say JER cause I am a fan of some of his work,but sometimes I am not a fan of his work,but least with him since I have seen so much of his work,I know how he is with the things he does,I know the type of things he likes to do.
Now come on. The timing is PERFECT for Reilly!! Allison Sweeney is pregnant, and we could bring Stan back! :D
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Yes, Lady I'm DYING to know the rest of the story! People are right when they say a behind the scenes of Days would make a better soap than what we're seeing on the air.

And speaking of which, anything on the actor who was fired from ATWT?
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ladyofthelake
Jul 27 2008, 12:01 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Jul 27 2008, 10:53 AM
Well if not Sherri,I would love Tom Casiello,I would say JER cause I am a fan of some of his work,but sometimes I am not a fan of his work,but least with him since I have seen so much of his work,I know how he is with the things he does,I know the type of things he likes to do.
Now come on. The timing is PERFECT for Reilly!! Allison Sweeney is pregnant, and we could bring Stan back! :D
I loved & enjoyed that storyline. :D
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OneBadKitty
Jul 27 2008, 11:04 AM
Well, I'm in the "been there, done that, got the t-shirt" camp.

I really think that it doesn't matter who writes for Days because they can't get around Ken Corday's micromanagement. Someone posted on another board that Douglas Marland could rise from the grave and write for Days and fans will still call for his ousting because of Corday not knowing how to run a soap.

I also think that continuous writing transitions only chip away even more at the show's foundation and eventually the show is going to collapse.
Amen. They could get Aaron Spelling (if he was alive, that is), Ed Scott, Ron Carvelli (OK, I can't spell), Sheri Anderson, AND Sydney Pollack (Tim Burton...name your great director) all involved, and if KC was still at the helm, it wouldn't really matter. I just wonder what good potential stories have been undone because of him.
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Mason


Knowing what JER likes to write is exactly why I don't want him back.
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Listen, the way I see it, if DOOL was at 2.3MM viewers this week, that is a 1.7 share, and the 18-49 was at all time low of 1.0

The shows get overnights/dailies so they know how bad a disaster it is through last Friday (7/25)

If they are negotiationg, NBC is probably insisting she go!

And they do care about ratings HUGELY-- they not only have to give 'make-goods' to advertisers when they don't hit their guarantee, but they also then need to charge lower rates altogether...so they def care...

As for cutting budgets, that is true-- that's why there's only like 6 sets now and everyone lives at the key set, the Dimera mansion...

That said, the vets will work-- they are not being used! It is FAR cheaper to pay either over an actor's guarantee or give them a fatter contract if they lift ratings by even a tenth of a point! And the DHs (the good ones-- Dee and Drake, not the evil one...DHig-Pig) +other vets front and center had DOOL at 2.2 a mere 5 mos ago-- a freaking 1/2 point difference from where they are now!

Imma say there's gonna be a vet fest-- part true story and part pimping younger cast...

Bottom line-- Sweeney is leaving (for a chunk of time anyway), the fans are leaving cuz they watch for the vets, and their new characters are at best controversial (Dansea stuff) and at worst like watching paint dry (Stax). And Phorgan OR Phloe need some serious support pimping before they even have a shot of people rooting for them in an 'addictive way'. J&M have addicts (many of whom-- myself included-- are tuned out and de-dvr'd in protest-- which DOES impact ratings BTW) and so do Payla and Bope and even LK has a real fan base. And Tanna. Oh, and most 'long-time' viewers see Stephano as the real villain of Salem. Trent/Schment...

YES, James Scott and Brian have fans-- but they are established characters!

DOOL has to change, in a way that actually ATTRACTS (vs repels or bores) eyeballs or they will be history!

So I think this will be real change, and in the direction most loyal viewers WANT...Just an opinion...

Holding weath to see which writer becomes the devil we don't know (or haven't known for at least a little while...) I personally think they have to hire someone who has a history with DOOL-- they won't be able to change things like lightning otherwise...and it isnt like DOOL doesn't have an endless roster to chose from!!!
Edited by daisysmommy, Jul 27 2008, 12:14 PM.
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Nelson posted this at Goldderby... what does this mean??

"This DAYS story is going to break your hearts. It's a sad, sad, world in daytime. There's NO hope."

Okay, THAT doesn't sound good at all.
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Mason
Jul 27 2008, 12:04 PM
Knowing what JER likes to write is exactly why I don't want him back.
OK, I must have a secretly perverted mind, because I started watching again in 2005. Just ran across SoapNet and Days, nothing else on, and thought "What the hell".
Reilly had problems, but his stuff was FUN to snark! I actually loved Dan Wells. I loved Jate. I loved Shimi (they, of course, were sacrificed at the Shelle altar), but I hated the repetitive dialogue:

Mimi: Should I tell Rex (Shawn)? I can't tell Rex (Shawn). OK, I'm going to tell Rex (Shawn)
Rex (Shawn): Honey it doesn't matter what I have to say. I love you.
(Secret comes out another way).
Rex (Shawn) MIMI YOU KEPT THIS FROM ME!!!!! I'M LEAVING YOU!!!

Sami talking to herself constantly.

Demented Claire doll (the scene where Mimi was thinking of THE SECRET while babysitting Claire, and Claire had these big Chucky eyes....pure Passions take-off)

Jack: I'm dying. Therefore, since I'm dying, I have to pretend to die so I don't have to tell Jennifer I'm dying. By the way, I'll push Jen and Frankie together, totally tormenting Frankie and giving him moral quandries.


Ah, Reilly was fun!
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ladyofthelake
Jul 27 2008, 09:41 AM
jules
Jul 27 2008, 09:14 AM
ladyofthelake
Jul 27 2008, 06:30 AM
Kevc1980
Jul 26 2008, 10:59 PM
A part of me would love to see the beloved Sheri Anderson get the job, mainly because at some point she would piss of the fanbases like every other writer has over the past 10 years..and her fans would turn on her so quickly and want her fired..
:laugh: Perfect! That's what I would totally expect.
No one could be any worse than Dena and what's been on the screen for the last two months IMO. If she thought it was a good idea to have two almost random couples going at it in an elevator during a blackout as just a reason to show sex, to put an actress who comes across as a teeny bopper with a mature doctor, to continue the incestous pairing of Stax, and continuing to show John as an amoral man and shacking up with an equally amoral woman in Ava, then I question her ability to guage what many people want to see. (not all, I know). At least with Sheri some may finally have some hope and if it ends badly, then I'm no worse off than I am right now.
My problem with Sheri is totally irrational, I know, but I'm tired of seeing her name touted all the time. And it's a personal quirk, but I see it touted by some boards people I don't consider very objective and who I think have their own selfish (yes, I said selfish) agenda behind it. I realize there are people whom I KNOW are objective about Sheri and it has nothing to do with their own personal agenda, However, I've had several years of her being shoved down my throat by others who aren't. Her very name just turns me off because of that. The REASONS these unobjective people gave me turned me off even more, because it was all about them and their favorites, instead of giving me a well-rounded, WHOLE SHOW reason.
I'm sure she's a perfectly wonderful writer and it's all me and my perspective, but that's that. And, since I more or less quit watching in the 80's more or less during her heyday, she couldn't have been all that wonderful, or I would have continued watching, at least in the summers! :D
OK, modify that: I loved Bo and Hope and Steve and Kayla when I watched. John and Marlena did nothing for me. When I watched. But, I don't remember much beyond John in bandages. I do recall some of Diana Colville and John and enjoyed them. But, by the mid to late 80's, I pretty much quit. NEVER watched during the 90's.

I need to make one more modification on my rant: :P When I say boards, I mean various boards, not necessarily ONLY this one.
:hail:

Everytime I see comments like "Bring back Sheri", "Sheri is the only one that can save the show", etc, I shudder.
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