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Dena Higley QUITS — SUDS REPORT EXCLUSIVE; Breaking News — TVGC; ATWT actor FIRED
Topic Started: Jul 26 2008, 06:10 PM (133,389 Views)
mbdimera
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Good morning everyone!

Looks like I missed some more excitement last night. :popcorn:

I'm almost afraid of what today will bring in this saga. :scared:
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WOW!! I caught up this morning, and I must say I'm in total disbelief!! If, and that's a BIG IF to me, the actress being referred to here is the one in question, I am in total shock!! How could she find the time to write on top of all her other duties?? I'm a really big fan of hers, so I feel like I'll need more than heresay to actually accept this as fact. On the other hand, I can't say I would blame someone for wanting things to change for this character....the writing for this particular character has been everywhere since Hogan came on board. It looked more promising in the first part of the year, thru most of May and then all the sudden she was bi-polar....so I could see the frustration on the part of the actress playing the part. Having said that, it would not excuse not going thru the proper channels to rectify the problem....I'm just going to wait to see what else Nelson has to say before I speculate any further....
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luvpumpkns
Jul 28 2008, 11:44 PM
jcar03
Jul 28 2008, 11:30 PM
luvpumpkns
Jul 28 2008, 11:18 PM
jcar03
Jul 28 2008, 11:07 PM
The blind item involving coke has NOTHING to do with it. And that blind item was poorly written if this site is so credible they would of done some fact checking to realize that NBC only has one soap so saying "This NBC actress..." was dumb. They clearly thought NBC had more then one soap so they must of though Passions was still on NBC.
well, i'm still sticking by CD&N's credibility on this one. they just said this actress on an nbc soap.... yea sure, maybe they thought they were being more vague since most networks have several soaps and not just one, but the BI couldn't have been about a passions actress. they were done filming that show well before this was posted.

i'm not sure that this has anything to do with what's going on now, and i feel bad for speculating that it was RM if she's totally innocent, but i still think there's something to that BI. it wasn't made up out of nowhere.
The show is still on the air. I read gossip shit all the time and have never heard of this site but if they are so great they would of written their blind item better.
yes, passions is on the air, but it finished taping long, long ago. like back in april or may or something. they're only showing like 2 or 3 epis a week on direct tv so they can stretch them out until august. ergo, the BI couldn't be about a passions actor.

and it's not about writing it better. they're not going to come out and say "this DOOL actress," or what-have-you.... they always try to make things vague for liability reasons. so they say crap like, this a-list actress who was recently divorced, or this cbs prime-time star, etc etc. they don't deal with soap stuff unless it's really juicy, and like i said, the blogger most likely assumed that nbc had more than one soap on at the time of the posting.
Passions finished taping on March 28th, 2008.

If that BI is true, then it cannot be about a Passions actress. Lindsay Hartley has always been front & center of that show along with Lzia Huber and Eric Marsolft.
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angmc
Jul 29 2008, 12:51 AM
PhoenixRising05
Jul 29 2008, 12:35 AM
jcar is right. We may not be alone...
I thought you were talking about aliens :lol:
ROFL
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annalee003
Jul 29 2008, 07:52 AM
Sindacco
Jul 29 2008, 07:19 AM
Why were several posts removed earlier today? I mean it's okey to say she's on biggest loser and is blonde so why not just say Alison Sweeneys name?
Because its just a rumor and its not confirmed. I don't think thats even okay because its probably not true.
This whole thread is full of rumors and speculation and many of the other actress's have been mention but I haven't seen any of those posts get deleted.
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So it's a new day and more news should be coming. I really hope we begin to hear the other side of the story because so far it's one sided and unfair. I'm trying not to make any judgments on anyone yet because I don't think we have enough facts. It's been fun reading all the speculation, although the "pet" rumor is a stunner. I don't know how she has the time, which is more reason for me to believe some parts of this have been blown out of proportion. For instance, the claim she has been claiming to be the HW. Maybe she was doing a scene with an actor and they were handed a script with some handwritten notes or tweaking or whatever we want to call it. He jokingly says "Hey, "pet", this looks like your writing on my script--are you Dena's assistant now?" To which she jokingly replies "Yeah, didn't you hear--I'm the new HW now!" Then everyone laughs but later, when Dena gets mad and quits and allegations of script tampering/non-WGA writing start flying around, someone remembers that innocent joke and passes it on to someone else, who passes it to someone else.... That's just one among a million possibilities. Maybe there's real proof behind all this, maybe there's not (did Nelson say he had seen the evidence or just heard about it?), but I don't know enough to made any judgment yet.

I also find it hard to believe we've seen much, if any, non-DH work yet. She previewed blackout/elevator sex/Java sex and that just aired earlier this month. So I'm still blaming Dena for a lot of the mess the show has become. If this stuff isn't hers, that means she hasn't been writing for a very long time, more than just a few weeks.

I wish DH had been fired after the strike was settled or better yet never hired in the first place, and then we wouldn't have had all this mess. Corday had to have known how universally disliked she is--what was he thinking? Rhetorical question because, obviously, he wasn't thinking very clearly or he would have known this was all a recipe for disaster. Whether you liked Hogan's writing team or not, firing them during a strike was wrong and karma's coming after Corday Productions.

Now I'll go back to waiting for the next update.
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Jul 29 2008, 12:42 AM
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Jul 28 2008, 12:05 PM
I'm fairly certain that the two others to rewrite their story is Steven and Mary Beth, but I'm not sure about the overblown diva.

if steven and mary beth had a hand in having the ava in bed with steve addressed i for one am glad, fans wanted it, mary beth i was told wanted that for her character and fought hard for it, i dont believe she is sleeping with ed...or steven either...but the way they went about it is where i have issue... if rewrites needed to happen then dena should have been the one they went to so SHE could make the changes, if not willing to do it then pay a writer that will.
What storyline are Steve and Kayla in that could even be rewritten? lol They have basically had NO storyline in the past month or more and I don't see them in any spoilers for the next few weeks.

Unless if the one day of dialogue about the Ava situation equates to writing their own storyline.

I listened to Tom C.'s interview last night. He talked a bit about rewriting of dialogue, etc. He specifically talked about the process. He said that if an actor has a concern - they will go to the *Executive Producer* to talk about it. In nearly all cases, if the change to the dialogue, scene or even whole series does not change the *storyline*, then it is not seen as a problem if the changes are made. Then if the Executive Producer feels he or she should talk to the head writer to make sure the changes will not conflict with future storyline direction, the EP will make the call. Tom noted that at the time of filming, the head writer is weeks ahead with the writing and would not usually care or be bothered with the dialogue changes - as long as they do not change the storylines.

In fact, it was interesting to hear him talk about how a lot of the actors would regularly tweak their dialogue and he specifically referred to two people (I forgot their names - they are not with Days) who changed nearly every dialogue word he wrote. Tom was not criticizing it and was really laughing about it and sharing how it was not done with a mean spirit.

Frankly, I was glad to hear these things from him because it is a sad day if the actors are not allowed collaboration or freedom in adlibbing their lines. They often know the characters the best and it can show a real thoughtfulness and dedication to keeping a character "in character" so to speak. It would be ridiculous if they had to run every dialogue rewrite by the *head writer.*

And I think that most of the vets are keenly aware of what dialogue changes are easily acceptable and which ones they have to be careful about because of future storylines. As an example, Stephen Nichols was talking about how he found some of the early dialogue he got in the Ava storyline to be really awkward and hard to work with (this is shortly after the dialogue writers were fired/replaced). It was particularly frustrating because he did not know what he could or could not tweak because they were not given any information about future story direction - so he just had to go with what was given to him.

Of course soon after the news from one side breaks there is a hype of sympathy for Dena and the indignation over the actor(s) involved - I think that could be expected. At the end of the day, though, I hope this does not turn into a backlash against actors who want to fight for their characters integrity. With all of the change over and infighting among TPTB the last few years and I assume the year ahead, we are probably going to find that the best defenders for the show's and characters' integrities are the actors who know and love their characters as much as we do.

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Ives
Jul 29 2008, 08:48 AM
I listened to Tom C.'s interview last night. He talked a bit about rewriting of dialogue, etc. He specifically talked about the process. He said that if an actor has a concern - they will go to the *Executive Producer* to talk about it. In nearly all cases, if the change to the dialogue, scene or even whole series does not change the *storyline*, then it is not seen as a problem if the changes are made. Then if the Executive Producer feels he or she should talk to the head writer to make sure the changes will not conflict with future storyline direction, the EP will make the call. Tom noted that at the time of filming, the head writer is weeks ahead with the writing and would not usually care or be bothered with the dialogue changes - as long as they do not change the storylines.

Thanks for the info Ives. Sounds like it was a good interview.

It sounds like as long as the basic storyline isn't changed, it's not a problem what ES and the actors/actresses in question did.
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Oh my God.

I left last night and it was 60-something pages. I have so much reading to do!
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Jiggs
Jul 28 2008, 02:17 PM
When I think of Days top star, I think Alison Sweeney. She's all over the NBC site.
LoL, c'mon now. You're one of Deidre's biggest fans, and you consider Ali Sweeney to be the show's top star?
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jcar03
Jul 29 2008, 12:07 AM
I guess the food fight was rewritten.
That was my first thought. Why not have fun while you are at it!
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This news kept me up all night.

Why?

Because something still doesn't add up for me. Something doesn't feel right.

Sorry, there's more to this story. Nothing is ever leaked without a purpose. I'd say the purpose is being served if someone who was formerly vilified is now seen as a victim and someone formerly beloved is now seen as something other. Something ain't right. I'm not saying that what has been reported on isn't true, but how much of the truth is the question. And it's not the reporter who I'm questioning. It's person who spilled to the reporter.

I have a relative who is in the public spotlight, not in entertainment, but business. And I will tell you this much, there is not a day that goes by when he/she isn't fighting some untrue rumor on the internet, or some news blown up out of proportion in a newspaper. And the newspapers are the biggies, the ones with massive resources and circulation. His/her lawyers are working 24/7. And this relative is a man/woman of integrity. But that doesn't stop people from trying to destroy him/her. You may wonder why I use him/her. Because it's so bad, I can't risk being more specific.

The press doesn't play. And once it commits words to ink, it is one hell of mess to get a person's name exonerated. It's all part of the game though and anyone in the public spotlight has to sadly accept this.

I would suggest to everyone to wait until more details emerge before condemning someone.
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Jiggs
Jul 28 2008, 02:26 PM
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Jul 28 2008, 02:22 PM
hunterforrester
Jul 28 2008, 02:12 PM
Yes, because actors writing STORYLINES, not dialogue, is a HUGE INFRACTION against Guild LAWS.
I'm confused as to how an altered script would constitute evidence of that, though. Changing the long-term direction of a story as opposed to dialogue requires intervention much earlier in the writing process (i.e. outlines and breakdowns). It can't be accomplished merely by taking a red pen to a script.
Very good point! Writing a full storyline is something that really has to be done well in advance of taping, because it would require changes in set and even scene partners.
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Thanks, Ives, on the info from the Tom C interview. I wasn't able to join in last night and missed it...by the time I got connected, it was over. I love learning about the behind the scenes stuff...especially from the insider.

I just want to say that I have read all 125 damn pages of this thread...and aside from speculating from what we know and maybe spinning a few things to meet our opinions, there was hardly anything mean and spiteful that I came across. Just some speculation about certain actresses even actors, along with the producers.
And even if there was harsh words, it was usually contradicted by other poster with another possibility. Out of all the boards I read, this one is unusually respectful especially with our "freedom of speech" policy...because nothing is more irritating that only reading a board with "I love him...he is so wonderful" crap.

And I am totally surprised if we had a visitor last night because the least was said about her, and if it was, it wasn't accusing her of being a coke head whore (BI words, not ours!). Most people sympathized.

Just a crazy couple days, eh?
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Ives
Jul 29 2008, 08:48 AM
Tricky
Jul 29 2008, 12:42 AM
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Jul 28 2008, 12:05 PM
I'm fairly certain that the two others to rewrite their story is Steven and Mary Beth, but I'm not sure about the overblown diva.

if steven and mary beth had a hand in having the ava in bed with steve addressed i for one am glad, fans wanted it, mary beth i was told wanted that for her character and fought hard for it, i dont believe she is sleeping with ed...or steven either...but the way they went about it is where i have issue... if rewrites needed to happen then dena should have been the one they went to so SHE could make the changes, if not willing to do it then pay a writer that will.
What storyline are Steve and Kayla in that could even be rewritten? lol They have basically had NO storyline in the past month or more and I don't see them in any spoilers for the next few weeks.

Unless if the one day of dialogue about the Ava situation equates to writing their own storyline.

I listened to Tom C.'s interview last night. He talked a bit about rewriting of dialogue, etc. He specifically talked about the process. He said that if an actor has a concern - they will go to the *Executive Producer* to talk about it. In nearly all cases, if the change to the dialogue, scene or even whole series does not change the *storyline*, then it is not seen as a problem if the changes are made. Then if the Executive Producer feels he or she should talk to the head writer to make sure the changes will not conflict with future storyline direction, the EP will make the call. Tom noted that at the time of filming, the head writer is weeks ahead with the writing and would not usually care or be bothered with the dialogue changes - as long as they do not change the storylines.

In fact, it was interesting to hear him talk about how a lot of the actors would regularly tweak their dialogue and he specifically referred to two people (I forgot their names - they are not with Days) who changed nearly every dialogue word he wrote. Tom was not criticizing it and was really laughing about it and sharing how it was not done with a mean spirit.

Frankly, I was glad to hear these things from him because it is a sad day if the actors are not allowed collaboration or freedom in adlibbing their lines. They often know the characters the best and it can show a real thoughtfulness and dedication to keeping a character "in character" so to speak. It would be ridiculous if they had to run every dialogue rewrite by the *head writer.*

And I think that most of the vets are keenly aware of what dialogue changes are easily acceptable and which ones they have to be careful about because of future storylines. As an example, Stephen Nichols was talking about how he found some of the early dialogue he got in the Ava storyline to be really awkward and hard to work with (this is shortly after the dialogue writers were fired/replaced). It was particularly frustrating because he did not know what he could or could not tweak because they were not given any information about future story direction - so he just had to go with what was given to him.

Of course soon after the news from one side breaks there is a hype of sympathy for Dena and the indignation over the actor(s) involved - I think that could be expected. At the end of the day, though, I hope this does not turn into a backlash against actors who want to fight for their characters integrity. With all of the change over and infighting among TPTB the last few years and I assume the year ahead, we are probably going to find that the best defenders for the show's and characters' integrities are the actors who know and love their characters as much as we do.

Excellent post!! Given this insight, I am more convinced this is completely overblown, possibly a terrible misunderstanding, a ploy to save one's career after intense scrutiny by the WGA or even just plain old sour grapes.

There have been lots of claims that Dena doesn't like and has never liked who many are claiming is now the overblown diva. So if the accusations are being made by Dena and made against the overblown diva, then it makes one wonder if it's just not retaliation because Ed is staunchly supporting and values the overblown diva more than Dena and her whole team of writers.

Dena and her team have made the overblown diva's character into an unlikable mess, trashing her unnecessarily in several regards possibly for the sake of a story that only she finds interesting or maybe it's more personal??? Always that possibility that Dena is jealous of the attention this overblown diva gets and how most of the fan mail is in regards to her character in some respect.

There is obviously a lot more to this story and we've only heard one side and it doesn't appear we're going to get to hear anything but that side's take for now even if Nelson provides more info later today.

Knowing that, I'm still going to keep supporting the people involved in this story that I have respect for and believe want the best for the show.
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Jul 29 2008, 09:10 AM
Thanks, Ives, on the info from the Tom C interview. I wasn't able to join in last night and missed it...by the time I got connected, it was over. I love learning about the behind the scenes stuff...especially from the insider.

I just want to say that I have read all 125 damn pages of this thread...and aside from speculating from what we know and maybe spinning a few things to meet our opinions, there was hardly anything mean and spiteful that I came across. Just some speculation about certain actresses even actors, along with the producers.
And even if there was harsh words, it was usually contradicted by other poster with another possibility. Out of all the boards I read, this one is unusually respectful especially with our "freedom of speech" policy...because nothing is more irritating that only reading a board with "I love him...he is so wonderful" crap.

And I am totally surprised if we had a visitor last night because the least was said about her, and if it was, it wasn't accusing her of being a coke head whore (BI words, not ours!). Most people sympathized.

Just a crazy couple days, eh?
I cannot agree more. Bravo! :rockon:
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I'm on page 68 of this, and I'm realizing that it may have been a real blessing in disguise for Martha Madison to be let go when she was. What a colossal mess.
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http://www.monstersandcritics.com/people/news/article_1325012.php/Nadia_Bjorlin_spares_no_details_Bruce_Willis_smashing_sex

She talked HERSELF to multiple outlets (not just the ones quoted here) about breaking ornaments and lamps and shit.

And I still think its her...however, those thinking it is RM may have a point...how in holy hell did she score an emmy nod? And also...I ABSOLUTELY think Dena's plans were to have Lexie have an affair with Daniel...part of the whole 80% of couples with autistic kids divorce piece of the story. Then they totally backed away from that and centered the story around RM...and she sure has been getting attention and airtime...

I guess that's plausible.

"We had not even made it into the bedroom when we started tearing each other's clothes off. We were romping on the sofa, clawing at each other when my bare bottom crashed into a lamp behind us. As it came smashing down around us Bruce jumped up to make sure it had not cut my butt. It did not stop us - but then again nothing ever did."

HOLY HELL! How am I just hearing about this? LoL

Call me crazy though, but that doesn't sound natural. Who talks like that? Bare bottom? Romping at the sofa? LoL It's clever in writing form, I suppose... but nobody actually speaks like that. It just doesn't flow off the tongue.
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Kenny, I'm thanking my lucky stars (on his behalf) that Blake Berris has something to fall back on. I wonder how many of the Days actors are secretly putting out feelers.......
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ladyofthelake
Jul 29 2008, 09:20 AM
Kenny, I'm thanking my lucky stars (on his behalf) that Blake Berris has something to fall back on. I wonder how many of the Days actors are secretly putting out feelers.......
I know. What's very sad and pathetic is I bet Marcus Patrick (provided he reads) is sitting in his stripper shorts glad he isn't working there anymore.
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