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Dena is "rooting" for John and Marlena and
Topic Started: Jul 31 2008, 09:00 PM (2,483 Views)
Ellie


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Aug 1 2008, 02:11 AM
I don't think Dee lied, Ellie. I don't think the show even told her. I do think that was the reason but they wouldn't want it getting out anyway. They try their best to cover up their financial mismanagement, although they clearly do a poor job of it LOL. I do think Dee kind of knows now though but at that time I don't think she did.

Having said that, it is possible for actors to lie. I don't care who it is. Maybe Dee was told not to say anything. Who knows. I have my faves too but even I know and understand that they lie at times. It's part of the business. There is just some things shows don't want out and, in some cases, some things actors and actresses don't want out as well.

No problem - we'll just have to agree to disagree again! (Not that everyone lies at certain points in his/her life - I get that, lol.)
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PhoenixRising05
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GET EM STEPH!!

^I think we're used to agreeing to disagreeing by now, Ellie. No biggie :laugh: :smile: .
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Ellie


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Aug 1 2008, 02:25 AM
^I think we're used to agreeing to disagreeing by now, Ellie. No biggie :laugh: :smile: .
Yep! :smile:
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the point of this thread is???????
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e83talus
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Kevc1980
Aug 1 2008, 03:30 AM
the point of this thread is???????
I think it was to sarcastically point out that Dena has stated she is rooting for J&M and S&K.

Wow! Thanks Dena! :frustration:

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Dena didn't say she was rooting for J&M and S&K. She just gave a shout-out to those who are.
Edited by Ponz, Aug 1 2008, 07:31 AM.
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Kyrai


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Aug 1 2008, 12:48 AM
Ellie
Aug 1 2008, 12:40 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 1 2008, 12:37 AM
I know J&M fans are going nuts over Ava but I do think in the long run that can be used to help the story and add some depth to it. They can play off the fact that John turned to her and not Marlena and Marlena can realize she needs to accept John and so on. It still fits nicely IMO.
Do you think they'll do that? These writers have no skills in the 'followup' department. Just look at Steve & Kayla. In fact, in the J&M spoilers, John's over Ava in a second. In my mind, there is zero chance that the writers will use the Ava storyline to strengthen the J&M relationship.
Depends on who is writing :laugh: .

From the looks of upcoming spoilers, things seem to be clicking. Regardless, the reason I have hope it will is because they kept making a big deal out of John being drawn to Ava because she accepts him for who he is. There are no expectations. It's the same thing they mentioned when he flirted with Anna and Nicole before and also it was why he bonded with Claire. None of them had any demands or expectations of him. It's the one part of the story that really has been followed through on IMO so I do have some hope they will at least use the Ava aspect in some respect. Doesn't mean they will but I think there is a good chance.
My take exactly. John only turned to Ava because he needed SOMEONE to accept him as he is. I felt bad for John. Everyone needs someone. I'm glad Ava's leaving, but it's pretty clear to me that was supposed to be her purpose. Sadly, I still think Marlena is too focused on his memories.

I've never understood why Marlena wouldn't try to get to know John vs. focusing on the past. First, take care of him. Then work on the memories. I think they wrote Marlena out of character. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have needed Ava, but I guess they wanted some tension or needed to put Ava somewhere. The real problem I have with it is if they'd written Marlena true to her character, Ava wouldn't have been needed.

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Kyrai
Aug 1 2008, 07:34 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 1 2008, 12:48 AM
Ellie
Aug 1 2008, 12:40 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 1 2008, 12:37 AM
I know J&M fans are going nuts over Ava but I do think in the long run that can be used to help the story and add some depth to it. They can play off the fact that John turned to her and not Marlena and Marlena can realize she needs to accept John and so on. It still fits nicely IMO.
Do you think they'll do that? These writers have no skills in the 'followup' department. Just look at Steve & Kayla. In fact, in the J&M spoilers, John's over Ava in a second. In my mind, there is zero chance that the writers will use the Ava storyline to strengthen the J&M relationship.
Depends on who is writing :laugh: .

From the looks of upcoming spoilers, things seem to be clicking. Regardless, the reason I have hope it will is because they kept making a big deal out of John being drawn to Ava because she accepts him for who he is. There are no expectations. It's the same thing they mentioned when he flirted with Anna and Nicole before and also it was why he bonded with Claire. None of them had any demands or expectations of him. It's the one part of the story that really has been followed through on IMO so I do have some hope they will at least use the Ava aspect in some respect. Doesn't mean they will but I think there is a good chance.
My take exactly. John only turned to Ava because he needed SOMEONE to accept him as he is. I felt bad for John. Everyone needs someone. I'm glad Ava's leaving, but it's pretty clear to me that was supposed to be her purpose. Sadly, I still think Marlena is too focused on his memories.

I've never understood why Marlena wouldn't try to get to know John vs. focusing on the past. First, take care of him. Then work on the memories. I think they wrote Marlena out of character. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have needed Ava, but I guess they wanted some tension or needed to put Ava somewhere. The real problem I have with it is if they'd written Marlena true to her character, Ava wouldn't have been needed.

I agree. What happend to Marlena who shot up Stefano's table? This wishy washy, "need to think" pod person is not Marlena. I hate the way she is being written and I hate that nuJohn has not moved emotionally at all since he was in the hospital in January!

The way each of them are being written right now I don't want them together either and I am a lifetime Jarlena fan! This jerk doesn't desrve Marlena and Marlena needs to stop looking for the stupid disc and move on. I hate that damn disc! :soapbox:
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CatherineEarnshaw


e83talus
Aug 1 2008, 08:57 AM
Kyrai
Aug 1 2008, 07:34 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 1 2008, 12:48 AM
Ellie
Aug 1 2008, 12:40 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 1 2008, 12:37 AM
I know J&M fans are going nuts over Ava but I do think in the long run that can be used to help the story and add some depth to it. They can play off the fact that John turned to her and not Marlena and Marlena can realize she needs to accept John and so on. It still fits nicely IMO.
Do you think they'll do that? These writers have no skills in the 'followup' department. Just look at Steve & Kayla. In fact, in the J&M spoilers, John's over Ava in a second. In my mind, there is zero chance that the writers will use the Ava storyline to strengthen the J&M relationship.
Depends on who is writing :laugh: .

From the looks of upcoming spoilers, things seem to be clicking. Regardless, the reason I have hope it will is because they kept making a big deal out of John being drawn to Ava because she accepts him for who he is. There are no expectations. It's the same thing they mentioned when he flirted with Anna and Nicole before and also it was why he bonded with Claire. None of them had any demands or expectations of him. It's the one part of the story that really has been followed through on IMO so I do have some hope they will at least use the Ava aspect in some respect. Doesn't mean they will but I think there is a good chance.
My take exactly. John only turned to Ava because he needed SOMEONE to accept him as he is. I felt bad for John. Everyone needs someone. I'm glad Ava's leaving, but it's pretty clear to me that was supposed to be her purpose. Sadly, I still think Marlena is too focused on his memories.

I've never understood why Marlena wouldn't try to get to know John vs. focusing on the past. First, take care of him. Then work on the memories. I think they wrote Marlena out of character. If they hadn't, they wouldn't have needed Ava, but I guess they wanted some tension or needed to put Ava somewhere. The real problem I have with it is if they'd written Marlena true to her character, Ava wouldn't have been needed.

I agree. What happend to Marlena who shot up Stefano's table? This wishy washy, "need to think" pod person is not Marlena. I hate the way she is being written and I hate that nuJohn has not moved emotionally at all since he was in the hospital in January!

The way each of them are being written right now I don't want them together either and I am a lifetime Jarlena fan! This jerk doesn't desrve Marlena and Marlena needs to stop looking for the stupid disc and move on. I hate that damn disc! :soapbox:
Ponz, what was the exact quote? Do you know? Thanks.
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"And to those of you rooting for John and Marlena. And to those of you who love Steve and Kayla and all you others. I love your enthusiasm. I care. I really do. I'm doing this for you."
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CatherineEarnshaw


Ponz
Aug 1 2008, 12:01 PM
"And to those of you rooting for John and Marlena. And to those of you who love Steve and Kayla and all you others. I love your enthusiasm. I care. I really do. I'm doing this for you."
Thanks. You are right. It isn't exactly the same quote.
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That's a joke Dena only roots for Dena!! :soapbox:
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Yes, and I'm rooting for Dena!
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Ellie
Aug 1 2008, 01:09 AM
PhoenixRising05
Aug 1 2008, 01:00 AM
Well, I think it could be used to help Marlena come to the realization that John keeps distancing himself from her more and more because she won't even attempt to accept him. She tried briefly but couldn't seem to do it. If they needed too, they could even go back to Marlena leaving twice and use that by having Marlena explain she's scared because she doesn't want to get hurt and she doesn't want to hurt him. She doesn't know what to expect from him or how it would be like being involved with him because he's shady. It's like 1986 all over again. She has to let herself go gradually. She has to learn to trust him and to accept him for all he is and all that comes with him. Meanwhile, he has to learn alot as well.

I know it's hard to trust the show as far as all this goes but I do think the Ava thing will be used as a springboard in some way. I think Marlena will ask John why he turns to other woman and not her after all she's done for him and then it will go from there. I really do think we will at least get that much.
I was semi-agreeing with you till the 1986 sentence, lol. But I think this is nothing like 1986. This should have been written like that, but it hasn't been at all. In 1986, J&M fell in love even though Marlena didn't have the slightest clue who John was. Marlena tried to help John recover his past, and in her doing so, they grew even closer. Here, Marlena isn't trying to accept the new John. She did once - remember that scene where they danced before she left for Colorado the first time? She told John she was falling for him. But then the writers moved away from that entirely. And there is no way that J&M can grow closer when the way Marlena's trying to help John recover his past is by hiring someone to glue together a computer disk.

I really don't think Marlena and John will discuss why he's turned to other women. If the writers have learned anything at all from the Steve/Kayla/Ava story, perhaps they'll put it in, but with these writers, every learning curve seems to be particularly steep.
ITA, Ellie. Plus, this new John isn't anything like the pawn in '86. Yes, back then he was mysterious and she didn't know who he was or what he was capable of, and thought he was Stefano at one point, but he had a personality and a core goodness that she saw and fell in love with. New John is just an annoying robot who wants a woman who agrees with everything he does no questions asked.
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daisysmommy


Ponz
Aug 1 2008, 12:01 PM
"And to those of you rooting for John and Marlena. And to those of you who love Steve and Kayla and all you others. I love your enthusiasm. I care. I really do. I'm doing this for you."
Um, right. That's a cue for HURL. :puke:
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JohnandMarlenaFreak
Jul 31 2008, 10:28 PM
Really?I could never tell that,John is sleazing around with a little girl and Steve and Kayla are rarely on.
John's sleazing around with Chelsea?
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Aug 2 2008, 04:11 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Jul 31 2008, 10:28 PM
Really?I could never tell that,John is sleazing around with a little girl and Steve and Kayla are rarely on.
John's sleazing around with Chelsea?
With whoever is writing it would not surprise me.
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Aug 2 2008, 04:21 PM
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Aug 2 2008, 04:11 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Jul 31 2008, 10:28 PM
Really?I could never tell that,John is sleazing around with a little girl and Steve and Kayla are rarely on.
John's sleazing around with Chelsea?
With whoever is writing it would not surprise me.
They'd have more chemistry than Chelsea and Dan. :tink:
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SpriteEyes
Aug 2 2008, 04:22 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Aug 2 2008, 04:21 PM
SpriteEyes
Aug 2 2008, 04:11 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Jul 31 2008, 10:28 PM
Really?I could never tell that,John is sleazing around with a little girl and Steve and Kayla are rarely on.
John's sleazing around with Chelsea?
With whoever is writing it would not surprise me.
They'd have more chemistry than Chelsea and Dan. :tink:
Please don't give these idiot writers any ideas! :shame:
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e83talus
Aug 2 2008, 04:35 PM
SpriteEyes
Aug 2 2008, 04:22 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Aug 2 2008, 04:21 PM
SpriteEyes
Aug 2 2008, 04:11 PM
JohnandMarlenaFreak
Jul 31 2008, 10:28 PM
Really?I could never tell that,John is sleazing around with a little girl and Steve and Kayla are rarely on.
John's sleazing around with Chelsea?
With whoever is writing it would not surprise me.
They'd have more chemistry than Chelsea and Dan. :tink:
Please don't give these idiot writers any ideas! :shame:
Both couples would suck.

At least John is entertaining.
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