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SOW: John saves Marlena
Topic Started: Aug 7 2008, 07:55 AM (2,930 Views)
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I love that John and Stefano are again battling it out and the twist with why John will protect people. I like that he's not doing it to be some type of hero but rather just to piss Stefano off. How the J&M stuff is going to play out, well I have no idea so I will wait and see.

My big concern is that while I like the sounds of all of this will I actually like the scenes given how shitty the writing is lately?

I hope so but I have serious doubts.
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Aug 8 2008, 02:28 PM
If J&M can be reunited and be together without sacrificing their respected individual characters then I'm for it.

I don't want what we got from 1999-2007, which was Marlena either being a raging bitch or a victim and John getting more purpose then Marlena. Seriously, Marlena's only consistent purpose in those years was to be by John's side and make out with him, with the exception of the SSK mess. I want to see the Marlena of late 2007/early 2008. That is who Marlena is and I hope we can get that and the current version of John (only soften him a bit). That would be ideal for me, personally.
I REALLY hope they go the route of Marlena learning to accept John for what and who he is now and as a result, John possibly mellowing without losing the snark. One of the things I cannot stand about Marlena is how she tries to force her will on others. Trying to INSIST that John get his memory back before he's ready (if he's ever ready) is just wrong. However, having Marlena trying to meet him halfway and coming to terms with things HERSELF would go far for me. The show has to admit ON the show that Marlena is NOT the omnipresent Pillar of Strength and not admit her weaknesses. I LOVED, loved how John called her out on drugging Stefano. I loved it. That's one thing I like about this new John. He doesn't let Marlena get away with her attitude. He tells her her shit stinks. (This is what I like about Bo and Hope, especially with Hope. She lets Bo know when he's stupid. THIS is more like a real married couple!!)

Example:One of the things I couldn't stand about Belle was how everyone kowtowed to her, no matter how she might have hurt other people. The only people who called her on her shit were "secondary" characters like Mimi and Bonnie. Having Hope (judgemental as she was) call Belle on her stuff went a long way in redeeming this character for me. TWoP likes to call it "the glittery hoo-ha". So many people loved Sami because she DIDN'T have this glitter. She made mistakes...she was called on those mistakes...she rose from the ashes and went on. During the past few months, she's been glitter-fied, and she's an absolute bore. I've seen glimmers of redemption from that, and I hope it continues.

Now, if Marlena can just come around to accepting John where he is, now, right now, and use this to start a whole new relationship, I might just be able to watch without wanting to throw something. (I rarely FF the show itself, just because I feel it's important to watch in order to discuss a show with any semblance of intelligence. ;) )
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daisysmommy


ladyofthelake
Aug 10 2008, 12:14 PM
deefanUBS
Aug 7 2008, 05:54 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 7 2008, 05:39 PM
Well, even though I do NOT want them together, I would say "It's a start, isn't it?"
Bringing bad ass Stefano back to seek revenge on Marlena...that's a step in the right direction.

Having John say that he doesn't want Marlena to leave him, as he gives her CPR...that's a step in the right direction.

John saying he only cares for Marlena because Stefano went after her...that's not what I would call a step in the right direction. We're 8 months into this story. It's time John admit he has feeling for her, as playing that emotionless card is gettin' just a wee bit old.
But there are people still enjoying the emotionless card, and actually, John is not emotional-less. Claire proved that.
What emotions would you say would lead him to blow his wife off at pub, ask her to dinner, then pork other chick? [Aside from a high-paid guest actress' guarantee?]

And what twisted condition would lead one to order liver smothered in assorted fruit?

Look, it is a soap, and we are dealing with laveneder shit coming out of hospital vents-- I don't wanna be too serious.

But John, I am not computing. I have watched the dude for MORE than half my life and this is the first time I found myself going, 'wha'???? ' one day. Then then next day, I was more confused and thinking, 'but didn't you say,wha????' And in the back of my mind I started thinking, 'No, I mean the empty skulls in the writers room couldn't let you say this, even before the ratings for this week were aggregated, could they? They gotta track the stuff that works and doesn't by the numbers, no?''

And then, 'wha?????????' eventually got followed by a 20+ yr historic first-- I pressed off. [More modernly, I also cancelled my season pass DVR program]. John started to make me think my own mother sounded sane by comparison. Lemme just say, that is saying sumptin'.

Honest-- I can see him being hurt, even can see the producers trying out how the porking w the high paid guest actress worked-- but I CANNOT understand his motivation or character integrity from one SCENE to the next-- much less one show or one twist to the next.

Cheers to hoping the damage is spackled and patched starting Monday.

Either that, or I have a bad feeling those sands gonna run dry f-a-s-t.
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daisysmommy
Aug 10 2008, 05:21 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 10 2008, 12:14 PM
deefanUBS
Aug 7 2008, 05:54 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 7 2008, 05:39 PM
Well, even though I do NOT want them together, I would say "It's a start, isn't it?"
Bringing bad ass Stefano back to seek revenge on Marlena...that's a step in the right direction.

Having John say that he doesn't want Marlena to leave him, as he gives her CPR...that's a step in the right direction.

John saying he only cares for Marlena because Stefano went after her...that's not what I would call a step in the right direction. We're 8 months into this story. It's time John admit he has feeling for her, as playing that emotionless card is gettin' just a wee bit old.
But there are people still enjoying the emotionless card, and actually, John is not emotional-less. Claire proved that.
What emotions would you say would lead him to blow his wife off at pub, ask her to dinner, then pork other chick? [Aside from a high-paid guest actress' guarantee?]

And what twisted condition would lead one to order liver smothered in assorted fruit?

Look, it is a soap, and we are dealing with laveneder shit coming out of hospital vents-- I don't wanna be too serious.

But John, I am not computing. I have watched the dude for MORE than half my life and this is the first time I found myself going, 'wha'???? ' one day. Then then next day, I was more confused and thinking, 'but didn't you say,wha????' And in the back of my mind I started thinking, 'No, I mean the empty skulls in the writers room couldn't let you say this, even before the ratings for this week were aggregated, could they? They gotta track the stuff that works and doesn't by the numbers, no?''

And then, 'wha?????????' eventually got followed by a 20+ yr historic first-- I pressed off. [More modernly, I also cancelled my season pass DVR program]. John started to make me think my own mother sounded sane by comparison. Lemme just say, that is saying sumptin'.

Honest-- I can see him being hurt, even can see the producers trying out how the porking w the high paid guest actress worked-- but I CANNOT understand his motivation or character integrity from one SCENE to the next-- much less one show or one twist to the next.

Cheers to hoping the damage is spackled and patched starting Monday.

Either that, or I have a bad feeling those sands gonna run dry f-a-s-t.
it doesn't necessarily have to compute with you to mean that others can't enjoy this new John, including the actor himself. A lot of John's inner turmoil, it seems to me, is confusion, which is an emotion. He's also pissed at people trying to tell him what he's supposed to be. Claire never did that. Claire just accepted him for him. Reminds me a lot of the kids at school who rebel when trying to be shoehorned into something they're not.

And, yeah, it's a soap. So there's over-reaction. And? Other characters over-react all the time. I was never so madly in love with the old John that I can't accept this new John. In fact, old John's simpering over Marlena just.....blech. It was a huge turn-off to me. But, I suppose I can understand why J&M fans are upset. Agree with it? Naw.

And, maybe, just MAYBE if they write Marlena starting with him from WHERE he is and taking him at that value, she might go further with him. There's some good potential storytelling here. Remember Marlena and Alex North? She wasn't exactly evil, but she was turning John away. A lot of similiarities here. Oh, yeah, and Marlena the serial killer? Marlena the possessed? Those Marlenas were evil. More stories of love redeeming all. It's just John's turn to be saved, but not by force. As a psychiatrist, Marlena should know better.

By the way......a lot of what he is doing is because of Stefano's treatment of him (I'll wager). So, now John wants to the be the boss and in control because he WASN'T in control when Stefano took his memories.

Sometimes, you just need to delve into the human psyche a little bit more.......... ;) (note I said PSYCHE, not PSYCHO!) :P

And, yeah, I'm gonna keep enjoying Jawn, even though I do wish Claire was still here for him.
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daisysmommy
Aug 10 2008, 05:21 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 10 2008, 12:14 PM
deefanUBS
Aug 7 2008, 05:54 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 7 2008, 05:39 PM
Well, even though I do NOT want them together, I would say "It's a start, isn't it?"
Bringing bad ass Stefano back to seek revenge on Marlena...that's a step in the right direction.

Having John say that he doesn't want Marlena to leave him, as he gives her CPR...that's a step in the right direction.

John saying he only cares for Marlena because Stefano went after her...that's not what I would call a step in the right direction. We're 8 months into this story. It's time John admit he has feeling for her, as playing that emotionless card is gettin' just a wee bit old.
But there are people still enjoying the emotionless card, and actually, John is not emotional-less. Claire proved that.
What emotions would you say would lead him to blow his wife off at pub, ask her to dinner, then pork other chick? [Aside from a high-paid guest actress' guarantee?]

And what twisted condition would lead one to order liver smothered in assorted fruit?

Look, it is a soap, and we are dealing with laveneder shit coming out of hospital vents-- I don't wanna be too serious.

But John, I am not computing. I have watched the dude for MORE than half my life and this is the first time I found myself going, 'wha'???? ' one day. Then then next day, I was more confused and thinking, 'but didn't you say,wha????' And in the back of my mind I started thinking, 'No, I mean the empty skulls in the writers room couldn't let you say this, even before the ratings for this week were aggregated, could they? They gotta track the stuff that works and doesn't by the numbers, no?''

And then, 'wha?????????' eventually got followed by a 20+ yr historic first-- I pressed off. [More modernly, I also cancelled my season pass DVR program]. John started to make me think my own mother sounded sane by comparison. Lemme just say, that is saying sumptin'.

Honest-- I can see him being hurt, even can see the producers trying out how the porking w the high paid guest actress worked-- but I CANNOT understand his motivation or character integrity from one SCENE to the next-- much less one show or one twist to the next.

Cheers to hoping the damage is spackled and patched starting Monday.

Either that, or I have a bad feeling those sands gonna run dry f-a-s-t.
great recap! Thank you for putting all that together. :)
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ladyofthelake
Aug 10 2008, 06:03 PM
daisysmommy
Aug 10 2008, 05:21 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 10 2008, 12:14 PM
deefanUBS
Aug 7 2008, 05:54 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 7 2008, 05:39 PM
Well, even though I do NOT want them together, I would say "It's a start, isn't it?"
Bringing bad ass Stefano back to seek revenge on Marlena...that's a step in the right direction.

Having John say that he doesn't want Marlena to leave him, as he gives her CPR...that's a step in the right direction.

John saying he only cares for Marlena because Stefano went after her...that's not what I would call a step in the right direction. We're 8 months into this story. It's time John admit he has feeling for her, as playing that emotionless card is gettin' just a wee bit old.
But there are people still enjoying the emotionless card, and actually, John is not emotional-less. Claire proved that.
What emotions would you say would lead him to blow his wife off at pub, ask her to dinner, then pork other chick? [Aside from a high-paid guest actress' guarantee?]

And what twisted condition would lead one to order liver smothered in assorted fruit?

Look, it is a soap, and we are dealing with laveneder shit coming out of hospital vents-- I don't wanna be too serious.

But John, I am not computing. I have watched the dude for MORE than half my life and this is the first time I found myself going, 'wha'???? ' one day. Then then next day, I was more confused and thinking, 'but didn't you say,wha????' And in the back of my mind I started thinking, 'No, I mean the empty skulls in the writers room couldn't let you say this, even before the ratings for this week were aggregated, could they? They gotta track the stuff that works and doesn't by the numbers, no?''

And then, 'wha?????????' eventually got followed by a 20+ yr historic first-- I pressed off. [More modernly, I also cancelled my season pass DVR program]. John started to make me think my own mother sounded sane by comparison. Lemme just say, that is saying sumptin'.

Honest-- I can see him being hurt, even can see the producers trying out how the porking w the high paid guest actress worked-- but I CANNOT understand his motivation or character integrity from one SCENE to the next-- much less one show or one twist to the next.

Cheers to hoping the damage is spackled and patched starting Monday.

Either that, or I have a bad feeling those sands gonna run dry f-a-s-t.
it doesn't necessarily have to compute with you to mean that others can't enjoy this new John, including the actor himself. A lot of John's inner turmoil, it seems to me, is confusion, which is an emotion. He's also pissed at people trying to tell him what he's supposed to be. Claire never did that. Claire just accepted him for him. Reminds me a lot of the kids at school who rebel when trying to be shoehorned into something they're not.

And, yeah, it's a soap. So there's over-reaction. And? Other characters over-react all the time. I was never so madly in love with the old John that I can't accept this new John. In fact, old John's simpering over Marlena just.....blech. It was a huge turn-off to me. But, I suppose I can understand why J&M fans are upset. Agree with it? Naw.

And, maybe, just MAYBE if they write Marlena starting with him from WHERE he is and taking him at that value, she might go further with him. There's some good potential storytelling here. Remember Marlena and Alex North? She wasn't exactly evil, but she was turning John away. A lot of similiarities here. Oh, yeah, and Marlena the serial killer? Marlena the possessed? Those Marlenas were evil. More stories of love redeeming all. It's just John's turn to be saved, but not by force. As a psychiatrist, Marlena should know better.

By the way......a lot of what he is doing is because of Stefano's treatment of him (I'll wager). So, now John wants to the be the boss and in control because he WASN'T in control when Stefano took his memories.

Sometimes, you just need to delve into the human psyche a little bit more.......... ;) (note I said PSYCHE, not PSYCHO!) :P

And, yeah, I'm gonna keep enjoying Jawn, even though I do wish Claire was still here for him.
Great post!

I loved Old John, but I love New John too. I don't blame John for how he is. I blame Stefano, AND the friends who didn't stand by him after what Stefano did to him. He wasn't bad just emotionless (and programmed to kill Colleen) after he was rescued. (Neither of which were his fault).

His friends told him they were his friends, but they cuffed him to a hospital bed for how long because he attacked Stefano, the man holding him hostage and deleting his memories? I think I'd be suspicious of what they tell me too. Heck, if they had arrested him at least he could have got out on bail, but they can keep him locked to a hospital bed indefinitely? I think based on that auspicious start, I don't blame John for being defensive and I think he's done the best he can with very little real support and no memories to guide him. The empathetic kind loving Marlena that I know and love and who could reach John has been long gone (imo due to bad writing). I don't blame him for letting her go after she keeps telling him she can never love him and telling him how disappointed she is in him all the time. It's a shame that a man that has done so much for everyone in Salem only had his baby granddaughter and someone who didn't even know old John give him emotional acceptance.

I'm really hoping the story is going to turn around now, and Marlena and his friends and family will start to accept him for who he is. Then I think that acceptance will lead John into being more of the man we know and love. And hopefully, I'll get the wonderful love story I've been dreaming of ever since Jan of this year.
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