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Topic Started: Aug 7 2008, 06:58 PM (3,260 Views)
CindyJean
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Tripp
Aug 15 2008, 07:06 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 15 2008, 07:02 PM


I just cannot, in the WILDEST stretch of my imagination, even begin to see the comparison to Doug and Julie, except both couples have a male and female.
Julie was young, but she was already a mom. She was already established, and I don't think she had a hero/savior need issue like Chelsea seems to have. Certainly, Doug wasn't Ghandi and Christian Bernaard rolled into one. Chelsea fell for Daniel at a very weak point in her life.
Chelsea thought it was over for her and Daniel, and who does she run back to? Nick.
What, now we have Kate in the role of Addie? Well, Addie and Doug married. Now, since Addie was killed by a car, I SUPPOSE Chelsea could run over Kate and make the parallels more true.......
BUT, Addie and Doug were written as in love, if I recall.
And, if they put Chelsea and Dan on the cover of Time, I will TRULY be worried about the integrity of journalism.................
Bwah! Well, I know when Chelsea gets behind the wheel of a car I run away. I mean she almost killed Stephanie last year too don't forget.

Julie lied about her son. Julie stole, attempted murder. They eventually fell in love but Doug was hired to win her so she'd stay away from Susan Martin's husband. Julie was very needy. The first episode of Days is her grandpa Tom and uncle Mickey picking up a 16 year old Julie at the police station for shop lifting. She was the bad girl. She had two parents who were neglectful of her and her brother. It took years and years - at least ten as a character on the soap before she began to turn around. She very much had Daddy issues and many of her lovers, both married and unmarried, were older than her.

As you know, SoapCentral has histories. They list her crimes as:

Crimes Committed

Shoplifted from Bartlett's Department Store.
Accused of killing Larry Atwood.

http://www.soapcentral.com/days/whoswho/julie.php

My mother thought I was crazy for loving Julie and Doug as a couple too. There are still people who idolize Addie Horton as if she was a saint. I still don't see it that way. So, Daughter - Man - Mother or Grandmother - Man - Grandmother - sorry, I happen to see similarities.
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ladyofthelake
Aug 15 2008, 07:07 PM


By the way, don't forget at one time, Chelsea was going to sell her own body out on the streets..........or at least pretend to.
Hee, I forgot about that. Her sure fire way to reunite her parents by hooking to get them back together. Yes, that's a good reason for such a life while Kate was at least using her hooking to make a better life for herself and her children (if memory serves).
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Aug 15 2008, 06:54 PM
Why when people don't like Dansea to they feel the need to attack people who do? Kind of like the people who like Lumi and Ejami attack each other.

I don't like Kate. Never have, never will. Lucas was an idiot to let her manipulate him all those years. If Lumi fans want to blame someone for breaking them up - point the finger at that witch.

She was a whore - paid for with money for sleeping with men. It's part of her history. Is she one now... no. She slept with John way more than once...and yes they got engaged. She was after him before that. I am speaking of a character - not a REAL person. Lauren Koslow is wonderful at the character or I wouldn't hate Kate as much as I do. I don't hardly hate any soap character.

Attacking me isn't going to change the fact that Kate was a prostitute in the past or that she sleeps around. She's do it more if given the opportunity. That is my opinion. You have your own. Talk about the character all you want - but stay to history and leave me out of it.

It's like the people who post who is writing Days because they have an opinion and it is all just hot air. We all have our own opinions and they amount to not much more than hot air. What proof does an opinion need? That's rhetorical BTW.
I get my fair share of being attacked as well, which is not what I'm doing. It's not my fault I'm making points that you can't argue with.

Kate and John were my favourite couple, pretty much still are. I think I'd know how many times they had sex together (it was once in the penthouse) Unless you consider making out to be sleeping together, then they slept together a lot.

Kate's history of being a hooker was written in after years of being on canvas. It's a part of her past, (and was never onscreen), and I'm absolutely 100% okay with her. Doesn't bother me about her character, so I feel no need to "attack" you to change that. What I'm trying to explain is that Kate doesn't sleep around. Do people even know what that means? If having sex once a year for the last four years means "sleeping around", a shit-load of people (fictional and in IRL) are sleeping around!

For the record, I'm not trying to change your opinion of Kate, you not liking her is perfectly fine. You're just not willing to like her, so that bias stops me from agruing facts and history with you. Then again, I don't even think you know Kate's history that well...again perfectly fine. I just find it funny that when I offer to bring up actual dates to diffuse your flimsy arguments of her being a whore, I'm attacking you and trying to change your opinion.
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Most of the dicussion was like a debate. NOt all of it was. I didn't think sarcasm over anothers opinion was a part of debate. For instance:

Kate slept with John once in 2005, and they were engaged. What a SLUT! Jesus, you claim she's with "one guy after another" (which she's not) because it never works out, I don't see how that makes Kate a "tramp". Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, people on soaps tend to be with one person after another, it's not that crazy of a concept.

Honesly, I think your reasoning for Kate being such a dirty "whore" makes no sense. It makes about as much sense as Chan.

Do I need to start posting the few and far between dates that Kate has actually gotten laid? Or does proof not matter?
Edited by CindyJean, Aug 15 2008, 07:18 PM.
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CinderAngelkc
Aug 15 2008, 07:15 PM
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Aug 15 2008, 07:06 PM
ladyofthelake
Aug 15 2008, 07:02 PM


I just cannot, in the WILDEST stretch of my imagination, even begin to see the comparison to Doug and Julie, except both couples have a male and female.
Julie was young, but she was already a mom. She was already established, and I don't think she had a hero/savior need issue like Chelsea seems to have. Certainly, Doug wasn't Ghandi and Christian Bernaard rolled into one. Chelsea fell for Daniel at a very weak point in her life.
Chelsea thought it was over for her and Daniel, and who does she run back to? Nick.
What, now we have Kate in the role of Addie? Well, Addie and Doug married. Now, since Addie was killed by a car, I SUPPOSE Chelsea could run over Kate and make the parallels more true.......
BUT, Addie and Doug were written as in love, if I recall.
And, if they put Chelsea and Dan on the cover of Time, I will TRULY be worried about the integrity of journalism.................
Bwah! Well, I know when Chelsea gets behind the wheel of a car I run away. I mean she almost killed Stephanie last year too don't forget.

Julie lied about her son. Julie stole, attempted murder. They eventually fell in love but Doug was hired to win her so she'd stay away from Susan Martin's husband. Julie was very needy. The first episode of Days is her grandpa Tom and uncle Mickey picking up a 16 year old Julie at the police station for shop lifting. She was the bad girl. She had two parents who were neglectful of her and her brother. It took years and years - at least ten as a character on the soap before she began to turn around. She very much had Daddy issues and many of her lovers, both married and unmarried, were older than her.

As you know, SoapCentral has histories. They list her crimes as:

Crimes Committed

Shoplifted from Bartlett's Department Store.
Accused of killing Larry Atwood.

http://www.soapcentral.com/days/whoswho/julie.php

My mother thought I was crazy for loving Julie and Doug as a couple too. There are still people who idolize Addie Horton as if she was a saint. I still don't see it that way. So, Daughter - Man - Mother or Grandmother - Man - Grandmother - sorry, I happen to see similarities.
Ahh, thank you for the Julie insight. Usually, I'm too busy with other things like work details or dishes to worry about doing research on a soap. BUT, you will be relieved to know that I do remember watching Julie as a bad girl way back when. I even remember when Addie died.
I still disagree with you. It's all subjective, BUT I truly don't think you'll change your mind. What might change my mind is better writing and, well, no. You can't manufacture chemistry, and I don't see it. If I change my mind, though, I'll be sure to let you know.
And i still think comparing Chelsea and Daniel to Doug and Julie is a wanna-be comparison. It's the same way I feel when I hear comparisons about Shawn and Belle to Bo and Hope. No way, no how. Ain't the same. It's comparing nickel-plated to sterling silver.
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I've watched for almost 40 years. I remember the first day that Adair woman came on the show very well. Kate was not brought in a sympathetic character then and I don't feel it now. I kid around and say kill her from time to time - but I don't want her off the show. I like the job Lauren does with her and you have to have conflict and characters not everyone likes. I still don't like the thought of her with Daniel in the future. That is all I was every trying to say. And yes, I probably shouldn't have brought up the prostitution thing. But I still think it's ridiculous to try to make herself out as some pure woman who never sleeps with a man. That's all I am saying.
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Aug 15 2008, 07:13 PM
And be careful there as we do not know Dan's full history yet. I'm sure he has some secrets in the closet that could come out. If one's past will always be there with you then who knows what he could be revealed as.
Thank you! In a month from now Daniel could be revealed as a male stripper/escort from back in the day to pay for medical school, and I'm sure people would pull out the "whore" card.

Hardy har har.
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CinderAngelkc
Aug 15 2008, 07:18 PM
Most of the dicussion was like a debate. NOt all of it was. I didn't think sarcasm over anothers opinion was a part of debate. For instance:

Kate slept with John once in 2005, and they were engaged. What a SLUT! Jesus, you claim she's with "one guy after another" (which she's not) because it never works out, I don't see how that makes Kate a "tramp". Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, people on soaps tend to be with one person after another, it's not that crazy of a concept.

Honesly, I think your reasoning for Kate being such a dirty "whore" makes no sense. It makes about as much sense as Chan.

Do I need to start posting the few and far between dates that Kate has actually gotten laid? Or does proof not matter?
I'm looking over the post, I do not see where Fender "attacked" you, unless it's because she says your reasoning makes no sense. That is not attacking you, that's attacking the excuses you lined up for your accusation against Kate.

And I'm really not sure on why that one section is bolded since that certainly supports Fender's claim (and mine and Ladyofthelake) that Kate isn't a whore for having multiple partners over multiple years.
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CinderAngelkc
Aug 15 2008, 07:18 PM
Most of the dicussion was like a debate. NOt all of it was. I didn't think sarcasm over anothers opinion was a part of debate. For instance:

Kate slept with John once in 2005, and they were engaged. What a SLUT! Jesus, you claim she's with "one guy after another" (which she's not) because it never works out, I don't see how that makes Kate a "tramp". Oh, and in case you haven't noticed, people on soaps tend to be with one person after another, it's not that crazy of a concept.

Honesly, I think your reasoning for Kate being such a dirty "whore" makes no sense. It makes about as much sense as Chan.

Do I need to start posting the few and far between dates that Kate has actually gotten laid? Or does proof not matter?
You're asking not to be attacked, and yet you keep bringing up stuff like this? How is what you put in italics any different than saying "Ah, it's a soap?"
And yes, I've been attacked, too. Happened just the other day here, in fact. If you're going to hang around on soap boards, better learn to develop a thick skin. Disagreements happen. Attacks happen (but in this case, I don't think so). If you are going to take this so seriously, then your phrase "It's just a soap" doesn't seem to ring true in regards to your feelings about it.
never mind. This isn't worth it.
For the record, I think Chan is a waste of time. There. I said it. If I change my mind, I'll let you know.
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Aug 15 2008, 07:23 PM
I've watched for almost 40 years. I remember the first day that Adair woman came on the show very well. Kate was not brought in a sympathetic character then and I don't feel it now. I kid around and say kill her from time to time - but I don't want her off the show. I like the job Lauren does with her and you have to have conflict and characters not everyone likes. I still don't like the thought of her with Daniel in the future. That is all I was every trying to say. And yes, I probably shouldn't have brought up the prostitution thing. But I still think it's ridiculous to try to make herself out as some pure woman who never sleeps with a man. That's all I am saying.
Who said that? As in my initial post, I specifically said Kate was not some Salem virgin out there, but to claim she was a whore because she had a nefarious past years ago seems more far-fetched, especially given Kate's recent sexual past.
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Hee, I forgot about that. Her sure fire way to reunite her parents by hooking to get them back together. Yes, that's a good reason for such a life while Kate was at least using her hooking to make a better life for herself and her children (if memory serves).
Oo! You know what this calls for, don't you?! My "John Doe and Suzy Q have a conversation about Kate" blurb!!!

John Doe: You know Kate used to be a hooker right?!
Suzy Q: Ew, like no way!
John Doe: Yeah way, she had, like, a pimp and everything.
Suzy Q: Shut. Up.
John Doe: I'm totally serious, it was Stefano.
Suzy Q: Stefano?! Ew, like, what was she thinking?!
John Doe: She had to support Lucas after being left by her first husband who abused her for years and made her think her first two children were dead, or something I can't remember...
Suzy Q: That tramp!
John Doe: She was high-priced, too, you know that?
Suzy Q: Ew, that's so gross! Kate's like, a total *****.
John Doe: Yeah, a high-priced *****. That's why she sleeps with, like everyone.
Suzy Q: Oh!...Is that why she has like a million kids?
John Doe: Yeah, she's a total ****.
Suzy Q: Ha! That's so funny!!

Sorry Tripp, I just had to.
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I know, you're friends and share opinions and click together. I think it was unnecessary to be sarcastic but again that is my opinion and I don't think I have to go back and bring up everything Kate has ever done. I do not see her as you do. That's that. This is why it's hard to break into new places... I don't have to justify my opinion more than anyone else does. You say - don't bring up history - but then you want proof? That is like saying - don't say it's yes and don't say it's no. No one can break through that. If we can't agree to disagree it is not debate but nasty contention.
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Aug 15 2008, 07:28 PM
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Hee, I forgot about that. Her sure fire way to reunite her parents by hooking to get them back together. Yes, that's a good reason for such a life while Kate was at least using her hooking to make a better life for herself and her children (if memory serves).
Oo! You know what this calls for, don't you?! My "John Doe and Suzy Q have a conversation about Kate" blurb!!!

John Doe: You know Kate used to be a hooker right?!
Suzy Q: Ew, like no way!
John Doe: Yeah way, she had, like, a pimp and everything.
Suzy Q: Shut. Up.
John Doe: I'm totally serious, it was Stefano.
Suzy Q: Stefano?! Ew, like, what was she thinking?!
John Doe: She had to support Lucas after being left by her first husband who abused her for years and made her think her first two children were dead, or something I can't remember...
Suzy Q: That tramp!
John Doe: She was high-priced, too, you know that?
Suzy Q: Ew, that's so gross! Kate's like, a total *****.
John Doe: Yeah, a high-priced *****. That's why she sleeps with, like everyone.
Suzy Q: Oh!...Is that why she has like a million kids?
John Doe: Yeah, she's a total ****.
Suzy Q: Ha! That's so funny!!

Sorry Tripp, I just had to.
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Aug 15 2008, 07:29 PM
I know, you're friends and share opinions and click together. I think it was unnecessary to be sarcastic but again that is my opinion and I don't think I have to go back and bring up everything Kate has ever done. I do not see her as you do. That's that. This is why it's hard to break into new places... I don't have to justify my opinion more than anyone else does. You say - don't bring up history - but then you want proof? That is like saying - don't say it's yes and don't say it's no. No one can break through that. If we can't agree to disagree it is not debate but nasty contention.
I never said you can't bring up history. But if you do, just make sure you get it accurate because Kate's hooking was not a means to push her being a slut or a whore. She didn't wake up and go "I love having sex with men so I'm going to use that to make money". No the show was clear she did it to make ends meet to support her son at the time. Like Fender brought up, she'd been abused by her first husband and already lost two children to adoption to get away from him. She did what she could to keep her next child Lucas.

Compare that to Chelsea trying to hook to reunite Bo and Billie. Or drugging Patrick to sleep with him. Or throwing herself at Dan while she is seeing Nick. Or actually trying to do Nick while Aunt Maggie is downstairs in the house. I'm just saying.
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I know, you're friends and share opinions and click together. I think it was unnecessary to be sarcastic but again that is my opinion and I don't think I have to go back and bring up everything Kate has ever done. I do not see her as you do. That's that. This is why it's hard to break into new places... I don't have to justify my opinion more than anyone else does. You say - don't bring up history - but then you want proof? That is like saying - don't say it's yes and don't say it's no. No one can break through that. If we can't agree to disagree it is not debate but nasty contention.
Sarcasm isn't allowed? I didn't know that.

Oops, there I go doing it again!

Listen, I am sorry if you've felt attacked by me, but I didn't. If anything, I'm being attacked by having someone point the finger at me over and again for seemingly nothing.

I don't remember saying don't bring up history, or anyone else saying that, all we're trying prove is that Kate wasn't lying when she said she "doesn't usually sleep around" (her words). That's because she doens't. In the past when she was a hooker, well yeah, that's kinda stupid to fight with, but I"m talking about now, recently (which you've already agreed to so I don't know why I'm still trying to explain this).
Edited by fenderbabe, Aug 15 2008, 07:41 PM.
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