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SOD: Another DAYS Shake-up; Ken Corday Speaks - SOW article added
Topic Started: Aug 27 2008, 07:13 PM (5,978 Views)
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Gary did write some pretty decent stuff back in the early 1980s. I'll give him tons of credit because on Search for Tomorrow, he wrote Jo's last really good storyline when she was kidnapped by Vargas, played by the great character actor John Glover. That story was so well written. (Yes, I know it's a different show, but his Days work was actually quite decent too.)

I think about Erika Slezak this way - she rarely gives interviews (not being bitchy, just that she has nothing to say... lol), but when she speaks, it means much more because it comes from her. When Dan Gauthier was fired from OLTL, she let TIIC have it.

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Sharongate, bitches!

Slezak also has praise for Tomlin. The last time she won an Emmy, she thanked both Gary Tomlin and Jill Farren Phelps (I don't know why, JFP's OLTL was atrocious) and said it was a privilege to work for both of them.
Edited by Y&RWorldTurner, Aug 28 2008, 05:07 PM.
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I think Gary is the nice blend of campy/character driven that Days needs. The switch from campy to character driven stuff completely was too much of a shock to Days viewers that the show attracted in the 90's. The majority of fans before that time are gone - there are very very few of us still around - who still watch and care for the show. For many of them the highly campy and supernatural stuff turned them off completely.

Days is one of the few shows in daytime that has more viewers from the 90's than the time before the 90's.

When you poll around on boards most of the shows still have a good set of fans who have watched from the 70's, but Days really alienated those fans in the 90's.

With that those new Days fans actually loved all the campiness of JER and all. The switch at the end of JER's run to the triangles and stuff and then with Hogan not having a lot of camp and all it was too big of a shock.

I personally prefer the character stuff more and would love to see Days go back to the psychological drama it was in the 70's - that is the show I fell in love with. But the majority of fans don't want that. They want the camp. They want the big adventure couple stories. They want stories that are about the couple and not the plot or the story.

Maybe Gary as EP can bring the show around to that. I just hope he concentrates on fixing the stories and not on fixing the look of the show. That was my biggest complaint about Ed - he just made the show look better. And to me that wasn't important at all.

Quit painting the house - fix the structural problems before it collapses. Sure it might look good while it's collapsing but lot of good it will do when it does.
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Steve Frame
Aug 28 2008, 05:24 PM
I think Gary is the nice blend of campy/character driven that Days needs. The switch from campy to character driven stuff completely was too much of a shock to Days viewers that the show attracted in the 90's. The majority of fans before that time are gone - there are very very few of us still around - who still watch and care for the show. For many of them the highly campy and supernatural stuff turned them off completely.

Days is one of the few shows in daytime that has more viewers from the 90's than the time before the 90's.

When you poll around on boards most of the shows still have a good set of fans who have watched from the 70's, but Days really alienated those fans in the 90's.

With that those new Days fans actually loved all the campiness of JER and all. The switch at the end of JER's run to the triangles and stuff and then with Hogan not having a lot of camp and all it was too big of a shock.

I personally prefer the character stuff more and would love to see Days go back to the psychological drama it was in the 70's - that is the show I fell in love with. But the majority of fans don't want that. They want the camp. They want the big adventure couple stories. They want stories that are about the couple and not the plot or the story.

Maybe Gary as EP can bring the show around to that. I just hope he concentrates on fixing the stories and not on fixing the look of the show. That was my biggest complaint about Ed - he just made the show look better. And to me that wasn't important at all.

Quit painting the house - fix the structural problems before it collapses. Sure it might look good while it's collapsing but lot of good it will do when it does.
What a great post Steve. As you know I go way back to the beginning of Days and have stuck with it through all the rough times (yes, even the 90's) and I am still here. BUT, I do prefer the character driven stories. I don't need explosions, earthquakes or people that never die, just give us stories that make sense, movement and don't have our characters act out of character.
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Did Tomlin create Tony DiMera and PFS expound on the family by adding Stefano, or did Tony come on after PFS replaced Tomlin and Lisanti? I know Tony cam first (in 81) and Stefano late (early 82), but I'm just not sure about the time table. Who wrote DJ's crib death? I think Tomlin also crafted the Alex/Marie storyline that involved the discovery of their secret child Jessica and tied it into actual history of the show during the period of time between Marie's discovery that Mark Brooks was really her brother Tommy (when she left town for a brief period) and then became a nun. Did Tomlin write Maggie's surrogacy storyline with Evan Wyland? Or did that come under PFS? I know Sarah was born in 1981, but I'm unsure which writer started the story (maybe it started under one and finished under the other). I know Mickey's presumed death didn't occur until after Stefano came on because he's the reason Mickey went to South America. Did Tomlin write Doug & Julie's garden wedding?

Geez. I'm full of so many questions. lol
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Smith created all the DiMera's. You are right that Tony came first, but that was one of the first things Smith did. Brought Tony in claiming he and Liz were still married making Liz and Don's marriage void plus increasing the time for LIz and Neil to finally get together.

I think Tomlin started the flirtation between Neil and Marie, but Smith finished it.

The crib death would have been in 1980 before Tomlin. That set up the rift between Don & Marlena that allowed him to turn to Liz. That was early in 1980 I think because if I remember correctly the Emmys showed some of it on the Emmys that year. Deidre was nominated that year for Supporting Actress but it was not for DJ's death scenes. DJ died in May of 1980 which would have been Nina Laemmle. Days in 3 writers in early 80 - Harrower, Flippen and Laemmle. Then Lisanti came on and then Tomlin joined her on October 20.

The Jessica Blake story started under Flippen and then onto Laemmle. Tomlin of course is the one who made it more interesting and then had Marie leave the convent finally in 81 I think.

Jessica arrived very early in 1980 with the Chandlers and all of those newbies. She was an orphan right off the bat. Marie was brought on of course at first to replace Laura - even to the point of putting her in the field of psychiatry and taking Laura's office right next door to Marlena. The first new Marie was older but she didn't last long. That was Priscilla Pointer who went on to Dallas as Pamela and Cliff's mother.

As I said Tomlin is the one that made Jessica develop the alter Angel to deal with her sexual repression.

1980 incidentally was when Kevin Costner tried out for Days as Jake Kositchek a role that went to Jack Coleman. Just a piece of trivia.

Tomlin did weed out the worst of the newbies. He got rid of that Leslie character they brought on as a love interest for Chris Kositchek after Mary married Alex Marshall. Tomlin did complete the transformation of Mary from goodie two shoes to bad girl and of course Pat Falken Smith finally just killed her off.

Tomlin also got rid of Woody King and Oliver Martin. he kept their sister Gwen around awhile longer, but I don't remember their story ever getting any resolution. We just knew they were secretly siblings and were using different names to keep their Dad from finding out. It was just all kind of dropped. the characters never clicked anyway.

He made Liz and her brother Todd and Joshua a little more interesting and made Joshua and Todd brothers and rivals for Jessica's affection.

And yes Tomlin did write the Doug & Julie marriage in the garden. If I remember correctly it was a double wedding with David & Renee. Renee had fought Kayla for David's affections and won.
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Oh I do think Tomlin is the one that wrote the flirtation with Chris and Kayla that resulted in Kayla giving her virginity to Chris.
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Aug 28 2008, 02:56 PM
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Aug 28 2008, 01:59 PM
phloeishot
Aug 27 2008, 08:40 PM
I don't see how DH's writing could possibly be good for the future of DOOL. What is KC thinking???

Quotes from Erika Slezak (OLTL) about Dena Higley:

"Dena makes noises of, "Oh yes you are wonderful, this and that" and
then she writes nothing."

"She wants to write for her own characters and she wants to write
stories that she thinks are interesting but nobody else does."

"She doesn't write stories, she writes events. It's like one event -
let's have a bomb, let's have a plane crash - but there is no story."

"It's all out the window. But Dena doesn't care about the rich history
of the show, which is evident in what she writes."
Do we seriously, SERIOUSLY have to see these quotes again?!@ lol. Not just from you. I see them every day.

That was THEN. This is NOW.

If the Dems can forgive Joe Biden for alleged plagiarism, enough time has passed for us to forgive Dena. Especially since, don't you think, she'd straighten her act having been BASHED by a daytime legend in the soap press? I'm sure she learned from that.
I don't get why politics are being brought into this but since they have been I gotta say that Corday reminds me a lot of McCain, changing his stories constantly as well as his alliances to suit the situation.

Biden's alleged plagarism was in college I believe and has nothing to do with his job as a Senator while Higley's inability to write does effect her job as well as my viewing pleasure.
Sorry, but plagiarism is a huge hit to trust (speaking generally, not of Biden). That DOES have to do with his job.
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Rick
Aug 27 2008, 08:03 PM
I'm personally willing to give her another chance. She's not the worst writer in the business. I think a lot of people like to bitch just to be bitching.

I realized a long time ago that the best way to watch and enjoy soaps is to STAY AWAY from spoilers. I hardly ever read spoilers and I enjoy the show much more that way.

It seems that when detailed spoilers come out, people jump the gun because of how it sounds on paper. That's what's killing soaps IMO, the availability of in depth spoilers two or three weeks in advance.

There's no investment anymore, no excitement. Before the internet soaps were an escape and we watched with bated breath to see what was next.

I know I've said this a hundred times, but try watching DAYS or any soap for that matter for two full weeks withouit spoilers and you will get drawn in again.

I'm with you, although I can't stay from spoilers. They don't ruin the show for me anyway. I most of the time forget most of them LOL. We get them so far in advance nowadays and I'm a busy person. I do think not knowing (spoilers and backstage junk) makes things better.

As for Higley, there are worse and we do know she most likely wrote during the strike through her husband and buddy and that stuff was great. She can write good. She had a few moments during her first Days stint and the early part of her OLTL stint was great. She had other good moments there too. Plus, this stint at Days has had many great moments. She's capable. Let's see what happens with this situation. She has no excuses now other then Corday and they both are similar. I tend to think she is gone soon anyway but, even if she's not, she has nothing to save her now.





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Rick
Aug 27 2008, 07:37 PM
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"Well hit 11,000 episodes in January and Im pretty strongly convinced well hit 12,000 four years after that.


Could they be working on a 5 year deal?
That makes me wonder too. That is the most confident he's sounded in awhile. Who knows. King has said they don't care for ratings anymore so, if that is the case, maybe. I would love it but somehow I think it's just Corday hoping.

I have to say that this is the best Corday interview in a long time. He's human here and passionate. He does sound like he's been reading the boards (hopefully, he continues too and hopefully he avoids NBC and other boards like it) but he misses the point in regards to the vacation issue. I'm sure he checks in but he's still not there. I'm sure he does some work while gone. You can't tell, however, what is really going on from a distance though. Without actually being at the studio, you can't know anything for sure so he's wrong to suggest that just because he's on vacation doesn't mean he has no control over things. There is just no way one can.

Good stuff though. I think this can come together nicely. We'll see. The show has been very good for a month now (regardless of who wrote it) and hopefully it continues.

About JER, I don't buy that either. He has to be paid off by now.
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Kevc1980
Aug 28 2008, 09:49 AM
I think Corday feared that Ed was getting too much power behind the scenes, because he was so loved by the cast and crew..Especially with Ed trying to get scribes from Y&R to possibly replace Dena..So Corday fired him to show him who is really in charge..
I think so too. We all know Corday likes being the hero. Look what happened when he fired Langan. He soaked in all the praise of him being a hero even though he encouraged much of the same shit that Langan was churning out.

I think Corday wants to be looked at as captain of the ship and that is fine but he needs to stop interfering to the extent he is. I get that he cares but he makes that a bad thing when it shouldn't be because his caring leads him to do stupid things.
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daisysmommy
Aug 28 2008, 11:53 AM
Nah-- normal. Anyone of any ilk in any industry privvy to non-public info is generally told on a Fri and escorted out by security guards...

Typically, they pack their stuff up and UPS it to the home address.

It's like the most normal thing I have heard surrounding this whole freaking drama.
It happens all over.

The company I work for has done it many times. They do it as a precaution in some places because they don't want you to know certain things or take something with you or back with you that you can use against them. They also don't want you to steal shit, no matter how trusted you are. Even if ways are parted in a kind manner, they do this now. It's procedure. In this case, we know there was some hostility involved so all the more case to do it as a precaution.

I like Ed Scott but I think making this out to be something only Corday has done is wrong. There was nothing malicious about it. It happens in workplaces across America. If you hate this decision and what is going on, fine but I think some are, in Corday's own words, "making a mountain out of a mole hill" with the police escort thing. It's protocol in most places.
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Steve Frame
Aug 28 2008, 05:24 PM
I think Gary is the nice blend of campy/character driven that Days needs. The switch from campy to character driven stuff completely was too much of a shock to Days viewers that the show attracted in the 90's. The majority of fans before that time are gone - there are very very few of us still around - who still watch and care for the show. For many of them the highly campy and supernatural stuff turned them off completely.

Days is one of the few shows in daytime that has more viewers from the 90's than the time before the 90's.

When you poll around on boards most of the shows still have a good set of fans who have watched from the 70's, but Days really alienated those fans in the 90's.

With that those new Days fans actually loved all the campiness of JER and all. The switch at the end of JER's run to the triangles and stuff and then with Hogan not having a lot of camp and all it was too big of a shock.

I personally prefer the character stuff more and would love to see Days go back to the psychological drama it was in the 70's - that is the show I fell in love with. But the majority of fans don't want that. They want the camp. They want the big adventure couple stories. They want stories that are about the couple and not the plot or the story.

Maybe Gary as EP can bring the show around to that. I just hope he concentrates on fixing the stories and not on fixing the look of the show. That was my biggest complaint about Ed - he just made the show look better. And to me that wasn't important at all.

Quit painting the house - fix the structural problems before it collapses. Sure it might look good while it's collapsing but lot of good it will do when it does.
FANTASTIC POST!! :hail:

Although I think Ed did more of that. As I mentioned, I think the best thing for Days is a mix of character-driven with camp and maybe a few plot-driven elements. If it comes together with a mix like that, it can appease more fans. It's the only way because too many groups want different things.

I have alot of confidence in Gary. He has a good track record and has been with the show before and had success. I look forward to seeing what he does.
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Aug 28 2008, 01:46 PM
Matt
Aug 27 2008, 07:38 PM
Why do I think Mr. Corday frequents message boards (this one in particular)? I swear, some of the stuff he said really does sound like it was directed at some of the comments that have appeared here at DR.
Matt, you are NOT alone! lol. The vacation comment was a DIRECT stab at Daytime Royalty, I believe.
I think my post on the vacation issue was the most bitter so he probably was thinking of my post with that jab, that is if we are right in assuming it was a jab at this board. :laugh: .
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Re Pat Falken Smith/Gary Tomlin and their stories.

PFS created the DiMeras.Tony was the first and there were plans for brothers and a sister(Vanessa?)to come to Salem.

She also created the Bradys. I think Kayla was shown at the hospital a few weeks before Roman came on.

The Kayla/David/Renee story played out in 82.

There was no double wedding in 81 with Doug and Julie.

Gwen,Oliver and Woody were not around when Tomlin was writing.Either PFS created some of that fractured family or DePriest was responsible.

PFS disliked the Maggie surrogacy story,which I assume was Tomlin's.

She thought it was ridiculous as Maggie would be the last person to want to be a surrogate,and she would never have been chosen anyway.

I have no recollection of Priscilla Pointer as Marie. I have a SOD from that time that announces that Marie will be returning to Salem played by Lanna Saunders.
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Aug 29 2008, 02:29 AM
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Aug 28 2008, 09:49 AM
I think Corday feared that Ed was getting too much power behind the scenes, because he was so loved by the cast and crew..Especially with Ed trying to get scribes from Y&R to possibly replace Dena..So Corday fired him to show him who is really in charge..
I think so too. We all know Corday likes being the hero. Look what happened when he fired Langan. He soaked in all the praise of him being a hero even though he encouraged much of the same shit that Langan was churning out.

I think Corday wants to be looked at as captain of the ship and that is fine but he needs to stop interfering to the extent he is. I get that he cares but he makes that a bad thing when it shouldn't be because his caring leads him to do stupid things.
I think I need to send Ken notes from the leadership class I have to take for my education specialist degree. :D He's breaking several guidelines. One of which is knowing when and how to delegate, and then, keeping your hands OFF and letting them work!
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Morlock, thanks for correcting some of my memories.

I thought sure that Gwen, Oliver and Woody came on in 80, but it was not until 1982. Next time I will check my facts. The only one of the 3 I liked and had staying power was Gwen. It was a terrible story.

I could not remember on Maggie's surrogacy. I knew it wasn't Smith as Maggie's only story for her was the triangle with Mickey and Don. I knew that Stuart Whyland was already in place as he had not had much to do then Pat Falken Smith tied him to the DiMera's and then just wrote him out.
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Steve Frame
Aug 28 2008, 10:18 PM
The first new Marie was older but she didn't last long. That was Priscilla Pointer who went on to Dallas as Pamela and Cliff's mother.
Steve,are you sure it was Pricilla Pointer? I remember an actress by the name of Kate Woodville taking the role when they first brought her back without Marie Cheatham playing the role! Kate Woodville did RESEMBLE Pricilla Pointer and Marie seemed about to be involved with a stuffy and uptight Doctor and his teen daughter! I can't quite remember the character's names but I think the actor was William Bassett and the character may have been Fred Griffith! I am blanking out totally on the daughter!They didn't last and then I remember Lanna Saunders taking over the part of Marie! I never remember Pricilla Pointer in the role! My memory is a little hazy about this period of the show however!
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morlock sevigny
Aug 29 2008, 05:58 AM


PFS created the DiMeras.Tony was the first and there were plans for brothers and a sister(Vanessa?)to come to Salem.

I have no recollection of Priscilla Pointer as Marie. I have a SOD from that time that announces that Marie will be returning to Salem played by Lanna Saunders.
Well there WAS at least one actress who played Marie in between Marie Cheatham and Lanna Saunders! Her name is Kate Woodville! So it's possible Pricilla Pointer WAS playing the role at some point although I don't recall that at all either! And I am VERY impressed with the mention of VANESSA which WAS the name of a daughter Stefano mentioned early on and she was supposed to be a ballet dancer I believe! There WAS the allusion to several more Dimera children back then!
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Priscilla Pointer was only on for like 1 or 2 days either right before Kate Woodville or right after. She wasn't on long at all. Very briefly. Almost like a temp player.

I had at first last night forgotten about kate Woodville. My sister-in-law and I were talking about Pointer the other night and she remembers her too.
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