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DAYS: Weekly Discussion!; Week of 9/1
Topic Started: Sep 2 2008, 02:25 PM (4,288 Views)
Tripp
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<furious>Can someone explain to me why they chose to make Melanie under 18? I finally get a new girl for Nick only now she is JAILBAIT? I bet she's a virgin too. What possible good does it to to have her under 18? The actress in RL is 20 and she's living on her own already in Europe (practically) so why not just go the extra mile and make her legal.</furious>

I think EJ and Tony should install a sign that says "Number of days since Stefano disowned" so they can keep a running total. Nevertheless that scene was fun and I enjoy all three Di-men talking. Now John at the jail I could have done without. I'm getting kind of tired how he seems to be upset with all the establishments in Salem are run by incompetent fools. I mean, he's right, but his old character is what helped set them up to begin with. Plus, I don't get how he should see this as a failing since this same system will not punish John keeping Paul as a prisoner or Marlena put Stefano in a coma.

I'm loving the shaggy Paul but I do wish they would give us some information on how he escaped and what he did.

Today should be the last Chan episode now that Chelsea is "leaving town". Today I feel like RM played the scenes more while SC just slept through it. He hardly even looked awake. The lines he said were "ok" if you liked the couple but I felt no emotion from the actor at all. As clear as RM has made it to her fans she wishes the Chan story could go on, I feel like SC has done the opposite by showing he much prefers working with LK. Anyway, glad its over.

Did anyone else notice how many people were in this episode today? Even Nick had a short scene at the end.
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I Love Stefano!
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Tripp
Sep 3 2008, 01:01 PM
<furious>Can someone explain to me why they chose to make Melanie under 18? I finally get a new girl for Nick only now she is JAILBAIT? I bet she's a virgin too. What possible good does it to to have her under 18? The actress in RL is 20 and she's living on her own already in Europe (practically) so why not just go the extra mile and make her legal.</furious>

I think EJ and Tony should install a sign that says "Number of days since Stefano disowned" so they can keep a running total. Nevertheless that scene was fun and I enjoy all three Di-men talking. Now John at the jail I could have done without. I'm getting kind of tired how he seems to be upset with all the establishments in Salem are run by incompetent fools. I mean, he's right, but his old character is what helped set them up to begin with. Plus, I don't get how he should see this as a failing since this same system will not punish John keeping Paul as a prisoner or Marlena put Stefano in a coma.

I'm loving the shaggy Paul but I do wish they would give us some information on how he escaped and what he did.

Today should be the last Chan episode now that Chelsea is "leaving town". Today I feel like RM played the scenes more while SC just slept through it. He hardly even looked awake. The lines he said were "ok" if you liked the couple but I felt no emotion from the actor at all. As clear as RM has made it to her fans she wishes the Chan story could go on, I feel like SC has done the opposite by showing he much prefers working with LK. Anyway, glad its over.

Did anyone else notice how many people were in this episode today? Even Nick had a short scene at the end.
Tripp, I haven't seen today's show, but do they really say that Melanie is younger than 18? Drat.
I feel like you do that SC really doesn't care for the Daniel/Chelsea pairing. He may feel uncomfortable in the love scenes. I know I do. And, no, it isn't the age factor. Why shouldn't John and Marlena get away with the things they have done if Stefano can always get away with his stuff?
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Yeah, Melanie said she is not yet 18. I got the impression though she is really close.
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Sep 3 2008, 01:38 PM
Tripp
Sep 3 2008, 01:01 PM
<furious>Can someone explain to me why they chose to make Melanie under 18? I finally get a new girl for Nick only now she is JAILBAIT? I bet she's a virgin too. What possible good does it to to have her under 18? The actress in RL is 20 and she's living on her own already in Europe (practically) so why not just go the extra mile and make her legal.</furious>

I think EJ and Tony should install a sign that says "Number of days since Stefano disowned" so they can keep a running total. Nevertheless that scene was fun and I enjoy all three Di-men talking. Now John at the jail I could have done without. I'm getting kind of tired how he seems to be upset with all the establishments in Salem are run by incompetent fools. I mean, he's right, but his old character is what helped set them up to begin with. Plus, I don't get how he should see this as a failing since this same system will not punish John keeping Paul as a prisoner or Marlena put Stefano in a coma.

I'm loving the shaggy Paul but I do wish they would give us some information on how he escaped and what he did.

Today should be the last Chan episode now that Chelsea is "leaving town". Today I feel like RM played the scenes more while SC just slept through it. He hardly even looked awake. The lines he said were "ok" if you liked the couple but I felt no emotion from the actor at all. As clear as RM has made it to her fans she wishes the Chan story could go on, I feel like SC has done the opposite by showing he much prefers working with LK. Anyway, glad its over.

Did anyone else notice how many people were in this episode today? Even Nick had a short scene at the end.
Tripp, I haven't seen today's show, but do they really say that Melanie is younger than 18? Drat.
I feel like you do that SC really doesn't care for the Daniel/Chelsea pairing. He may feel uncomfortable in the love scenes. I know I do. And, no, it isn't the age factor. Why shouldn't John and Marlena get away with the things they have done if Stefano can always get away with his stuff?
It was an easy "miss it" scene, especially since it fell right in with boring Max talking to Melanie. It was easily missed cause we had to listen to Max talk about his life which we've heard a dozen times (it seems). She stated the reason she couldn't break away from her Dad was because she wasn't 18 yet.

And I wasn't saying John and Marlena SHOULDN'T get away with their crimes (though I'd love for them to get into some kind of trouble, it's tough when their no consequences to a person's actions) but John needs to let it go that Stefano "walked" when his crime is much more timely and wound up having an impact on several lives (Morgan's, Philip's, not to mention Paul's).

I forgot to add I did love Stefano and Victor's (short) conversation. I wasn't expecting them to be talking like they are old war buddies. My dream is to see them get into their own dock war and see how it falls out. The Brady's never make any kind of dent into the Dimera empire but I'd like to see what the Kiriakii can do.
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Man today was another snooze episode.
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Mitchapalooza
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Can we please kill off Stephanie/Max/Melanie/Nick/Chelsea/Daniel.

They have been SOOO overkill for the last 6 months I just want to punch someone!
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DAYS really needs to move the character of Daniel AWAY from the younger set. He is being COMPLETELY wasted in that group.

Can we please have more John/Marlena/Stefano/Tony/Anna again. Those few weeks where these characters dominated the show were the best of the entire summer.
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Tripp
Sep 3 2008, 01:58 PM
ArizonaDaze
Sep 3 2008, 01:38 PM
Tripp
Sep 3 2008, 01:01 PM
<furious>Can someone explain to me why they chose to make Melanie under 18? I finally get a new girl for Nick only now she is JAILBAIT? I bet she's a virgin too. What possible good does it to to have her under 18? The actress in RL is 20 and she's living on her own already in Europe (practically) so why not just go the extra mile and make her legal.</furious>

I think EJ and Tony should install a sign that says "Number of days since Stefano disowned" so they can keep a running total. Nevertheless that scene was fun and I enjoy all three Di-men talking. Now John at the jail I could have done without. I'm getting kind of tired how he seems to be upset with all the establishments in Salem are run by incompetent fools. I mean, he's right, but his old character is what helped set them up to begin with. Plus, I don't get how he should see this as a failing since this same system will not punish John keeping Paul as a prisoner or Marlena put Stefano in a coma.

I'm loving the shaggy Paul but I do wish they would give us some information on how he escaped and what he did.

Today should be the last Chan episode now that Chelsea is "leaving town". Today I feel like RM played the scenes more while SC just slept through it. He hardly even looked awake. The lines he said were "ok" if you liked the couple but I felt no emotion from the actor at all. As clear as RM has made it to her fans she wishes the Chan story could go on, I feel like SC has done the opposite by showing he much prefers working with LK. Anyway, glad its over.

Did anyone else notice how many people were in this episode today? Even Nick had a short scene at the end.
Tripp, I haven't seen today's show, but do they really say that Melanie is younger than 18? Drat.
I feel like you do that SC really doesn't care for the Daniel/Chelsea pairing. He may feel uncomfortable in the love scenes. I know I do. And, no, it isn't the age factor. Why shouldn't John and Marlena get away with the things they have done if Stefano can always get away with his stuff?
It was an easy "miss it" scene, especially since it fell right in with boring Max talking to Melanie. It was easily missed cause we had to listen to Max talk about his life which we've heard a dozen times (it seems). She stated the reason she couldn't break away from her Dad was because she wasn't 18 yet.

And I wasn't saying John and Marlena SHOULDN'T get away with their crimes (though I'd love for them to get into some kind of trouble, it's tough when their no consequences to a person's actions) but John needs to let it go that Stefano "walked" when his crime is much more timely and wound up having an impact on several lives (Morgan's, Philip's, not to mention Paul's).

I forgot to add I did love Stefano and Victor's (short) conversation. I wasn't expecting them to be talking like they are old war buddies. My dream is to see them get into their own dock war and see how it falls out. The Brady's never make any kind of dent into the Dimera empire but I'd like to see what the Kiriakii can do.
I certainly wanted this Hollingsworth mess wrapped up (ages ago). I like John and Phillip, so I don't really want them going to jail, but I hated the way this was rigged. Stefano blackmailing John was lame. Phillip smiling smugly after Vic told him he'd fixed things bothered me. So why exactly were we even subjected to this god-awful storyline?

Roman being so happy about John being tortured was annoying. I'm sick of John imitating Stefano. We finally get past this awful Phil vs. John thing, and John is for starting it back up again... He should be worried about Stefano, not taunting Phillip...

Do I really buy that all-powerful Stefano, can't kick EJ and Tony out of the mansion? His scenes with EJ and Tony were ridiculous today. Instead of a super villain, he looked weak.

I couldn't even get into Stefano and Vic teaming up because like every other s/l lately, it will be much ado about nothing.

The rest I pretty much FF'd thru.

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There were episodes this week? Oh, yeah, I had them on and tuned them out. The superficial shallow part of me noted EJ's sweater. Yeah, he can handle horizontal stripes!
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Mitchapalooza
Sep 3 2008, 05:38 PM
Can we please kill off Stephanie/Max/Melanie/Nick/Chelsea/Daniel.

They have been SOOO overkill for the last 6 months I just want to punch someone!
I can see how Stax have been and Chan to an extent but earlier in the year the young cast was hardly featured and Chan and Stax have been cut down on alot until recently. Chan was only on alot last week because their story came to an end. As for Stax, they aren't really being forced on us anymore. Nick has barely been on and Melanie is new so I can't say that is overkill.

John/Marlena/Tony/Anna/Stefano are getting good airtime right now. Sure, it's different now because other stories are being featured too unlike during the Olympics where it was only one story but I see that as a good thing. Having only one or two stories gets old quick.

Before talking about today's show, I kind of want to go back to the points being made earlier about Higley. I think Higley basically is lazy and far too sensitive. She clearly wants to be catered too and if one thing goes wrong, things veer off course. I didn't get that feeling in her last stint because, more or less, I think she was nothing but a seat-filler. I'm convinced they knew JER was going to be forced on the show before she even penned her first show. I think Higley can write. She's showed that. She has alot of years of experience at Days and has penned some good stuff. Her first few months at OLTL were great. She even wrote some good story climaxes especially to the Daniel Colson stuff and, despite it being a ripoff of Sami's execution, she was behind Todd's execution story which was great. During her first stint at Days, she wrote a good ending to Sami/Brandon/Lexie and set up Lumi very well. She can do it. I think she just isn't as passionate as she should be. I think she's still used to just being a writer but not a head writer. As I said, it seems like she's too temperamental and finicky for the position. I also think that Tomlin bringing some organization to the writing team will help. Since April, it's been more or less a free for all but now they will each have defined roles. Higley's second stint has suffered from bad breakdowns and pacing at times. That should help. I'm not saying she is the best for the job but I think the situation will get better and one thing about her is that her stories never lacked direction like they have this stint. I blame that on backstage shit. Her stories aren't always good or executed right but they never lack direction like they have. I still think she will be out though soon.

Now, about today, with the exception of Lucas and Chloe popping in and out (it was story movement in a way but felt out of place), I felt the show had more cohesion today. I did think it was funny how Stefano dealt with them and I enjoyed his continued scenes with Tony and EJ too. Loving this power struggle. Nice touch too having Stefano notice the painting John put up.

Stefano/Victor was great to see. I just love them being allies and love how they tied it to the Paul story. It leaves a lasting ramification in that Victor owes Stefano. I can see some potential down the road here where one of them double-crosses the other. They seem to have the type of relationship where they have both targeted each other and each other's loved ones but they still manage to do business. I think it's more or less they are to not target each other's loved ones right now and things will be civil, which is an agreement that can implode at any moment. I did like how Stefano pulled the strings and let Victor know what was going on. It definitely filled some things in and Stefano helping John out was clever. John is sort of under his thumb again and I like how it was used to prevent John from going after Stefano. Nice ending too with the John/Philip stuff.

The cop shop stuff was ok. Philip/Morgan feels like a waste now after the latest news.

Max/Melanie was very enjoyable. I hope they don't let her go. She's far too talented and she's made Max interesting to me. I find the character interesting. Loved the little Nick appearance.

I did enjoy the Chan scenes today knowing it was the end and RM did seem to wake up today but, as someone else mentioned, SC was not into it at all. You do get the feeling he wanted out of the story and wanted more with LK while RM wants Chan. Melvin was better today and I'm glad it's over. The Chelsea/Theo moment was cute. I like her working at the hospital in this role. I guess we know who Marc was in the casting call. He's Theo's counselor and I can see how he would know Brandon (as was mentioned in the casting call in the scene with Nicole) as Brandon was a pediatric counselor. Nice seeing Lexie too. Too bad whatever she had to do involving her father never made it onscreen. I watched tomorrow's show and it's the next day and Lexie is with Theo, Abe, Steve, and Kayla and Stefano is in scenes with Tony and EJ again. I guess that is yet another consequence of the behind the scenes shit.

I think this has been a very good week despite the disjointed feel and obvious influences stemming from the drama behind the scenes. I'm shocked some don't like it or find it boring as some of the stories many hated are finishing and the vets and Dimera stuff is center stage. I should say that RJ gives a great performance tomorrow and the Nicole/John stuff is fun. The Dimera scenes are very good too tomorrow.
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I just want to thank Dena Higley for already ruining Stefano. She is turning him from the demented megalomaniac uber villain into Martha Stewart. :flipoff:
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I disagree. I'm LOVING Stefano!
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Sep 3 2008, 10:08 PM

I think this has been a very good week despite the disjointed feel and obvious influences stemming from the drama behind the scenes. I'm shocked some don't like it or find it boring as some of the stories many hated are finishing and the vets and Dimera stuff is center stage. I should say that RJ gives a great performance tomorrow and the Nicole/John stuff is fun. The Dimera scenes are very good too tomorrow.
I'm very happy Chan is over and the Hollingsworth saga has finally ended; my issue is the way those stories ended. We've been subjected to them for months and both were boring to me; however, I feel the viewers at least deserved a decent payoff, which we didn't get. Instead both stories just fizzled out, making me (and many others, I'm sure) feel it was all just a big, giant waste of time. What was the purpose of it all? I'm sure a lot of what's happened was the result of all the backstage goings on, but knowing that doesn't make me give the show a pass on this week. The only things I've enjoyed so far have been the Dimeras and Victor...everything else has been a mess. I hope Tomlin is able to give Higley a kick in the ass and get her writing some decent stuff, or else kick her out the door and into the street. This show has to get some direction and focus so I don't feel I'm wasting my time every day.
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PhoenixRising05
Sep 3 2008, 10:08 PM

I think this has been a very good week despite the disjointed feel and obvious influences stemming from the drama behind the scenes. I'm shocked some don't like it or find it boring as some of the stories many hated are finishing and the vets and Dimera stuff is center stage. I should say that RJ gives a great performance tomorrow and the Nicole/John stuff is fun. The Dimera scenes are very good too tomorrow.
I'm very happy Chan is over and the Hollingsworth saga has finally ended; my issue is the way those stories ended. We've been subjected to them for months and both were boring to me; however, I feel the viewers at least deserved a decent payoff, which we didn't get. Instead both stories just fizzled out, making me (and many others, I'm sure) feel it was all just a big, giant waste of time. What was the purpose of it all? I'm sure a lot of what's happened was the result of all the backstage goings on, but knowing that doesn't make me give the show a pass on this week. The only things I've enjoyed so far have been the Dimeras and Victor...everything else has been a mess. I hope Tomlin is able to give Higley a kick in the ass and get her writing some decent stuff, or else kick her out the door and into the street. This show has to get some direction and focus so I don't feel I'm wasting my time every day.
Exactly, I'm very glad these storylines are over, but it's they way they were just tossed.

I don't want to keep getting invested into meandering meaningless storylines. I expect the writers to be going somewhere, not just start writing, realize the s/l is lame, and punt it. That's my issue.

I love the Dimera stuff. All that hotness under one mansion roof has great potential. Drake is doing an amazing job as John, imo. I love watching him, EJ, Tony, and Stefano.

But I don't want a bunch of pointless big dramatic scenes that mean nothing in the way of story. I've been wondering what John's big plan for Paul was ever since we discovered he was in John's basement. Now I guess I can assume there never really was a plan and Higley couldn't come up with one, so she just dropped it and made John 'owe' Stefano one. That just pisses me off.

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Sep 3 2008, 10:08 PM
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Sep 3 2008, 05:38 PM
Can we please kill off Stephanie/Max/Melanie/Nick/Chelsea/Daniel.

They have been SOOO overkill for the last 6 months I just want to punch someone!
I can see how Stax have been and Chan to an extent but earlier in the year the young cast was hardly featured and Chan and Stax have been cut down on alot until recently. Chan was only on alot last week because their story came to an end. As for Stax, they aren't really being forced on us anymore. Nick has barely been on and Melanie is new so I can't say that is overkill.

John/Marlena/Tony/Anna/Stefano are getting good airtime right now. Sure, it's different now because other stories are being featured too unlike during the Olympics where it was only one story but I see that as a good thing. Having only one or two stories gets old quick.

Before talking about today's show, I kind of want to go back to the points being made earlier about Higley. I think Higley basically is lazy and far too sensitive. She clearly wants to be catered too and if one thing goes wrong, things veer off course. I didn't get that feeling in her last stint because, more or less, I think she was nothing but a seat-filler. I'm convinced they knew JER was going to be forced on the show before she even penned her first show. I think Higley can write. She's showed that. She has alot of years of experience at Days and has penned some good stuff. Her first few months at OLTL were great. She even wrote some good story climaxes especially to the Daniel Colson stuff and, despite it being a ripoff of Sami's execution, she was behind Todd's execution story which was great. During her first stint at Days, she wrote a good ending to Sami/Brandon/Lexie and set up Lumi very well. She can do it. I think she just isn't as passionate as she should be. I think she's still used to just being a writer but not a head writer. As I said, it seems like she's too temperamental and finicky for the position. I also think that Tomlin bringing some organization to the writing team will help. Since April, it's been more or less a free for all but now they will each have defined roles. Higley's second stint has suffered from bad breakdowns and pacing at times. That should help. I'm not saying she is the best for the job but I think the situation will get better and one thing about her is that her stories never lacked direction like they have this stint. I blame that on backstage shit. Her stories aren't always good or executed right but they never lack direction like they have. I still think she will be out though soon.

Now, about today, with the exception of Lucas and Chloe popping in and out (it was story movement in a way but felt out of place), I felt the show had more cohesion today. I did think it was funny how Stefano dealt with them and I enjoyed his continued scenes with Tony and EJ too. Loving this power struggle. Nice touch too having Stefano notice the painting John put up.

Stefano/Victor was great to see. I just love them being allies and love how they tied it to the Paul story. It leaves a lasting ramification in that Victor owes Stefano. I can see some potential down the road here where one of them double-crosses the other. They seem to have the type of relationship where they have both targeted each other and each other's loved ones but they still manage to do business. I think it's more or less they are to not target each other's loved ones right now and things will be civil, which is an agreement that can implode at any moment. I did like how Stefano pulled the strings and let Victor know what was going on. It definitely filled some things in and Stefano helping John out was clever. John is sort of under his thumb again and I like how it was used to prevent John from going after Stefano. Nice ending too with the John/Philip stuff.

The cop shop stuff was ok. Philip/Morgan feels like a waste now after the latest news.

Max/Melanie was very enjoyable. I hope they don't let her go. She's far too talented and she's made Max interesting to me. I find the character interesting. Loved the little Nick appearance.

I did enjoy the Chan scenes today knowing it was the end and RM did seem to wake up today but, as someone else mentioned, SC was not into it at all. You do get the feeling he wanted out of the story and wanted more with LK while RM wants Chan. Melvin was better today and I'm glad it's over. The Chelsea/Theo moment was cute. I like her working at the hospital in this role. I guess we know who Marc was in the casting call. He's Theo's counselor and I can see how he would know Brandon (as was mentioned in the casting call in the scene with Nicole) as Brandon was a pediatric counselor. Nice seeing Lexie too. Too bad whatever she had to do involving her father never made it onscreen. I watched tomorrow's show and it's the next day and Lexie is with Theo, Abe, Steve, and Kayla and Stefano is in scenes with Tony and EJ again. I guess that is yet another consequence of the behind the scenes shit.

I think this has been a very good week despite the disjointed feel and obvious influences stemming from the drama behind the scenes. I'm shocked some don't like it or find it boring as some of the stories many hated are finishing and the vets and Dimera stuff is center stage. I should say that RJ gives a great performance tomorrow and the Nicole/John stuff is fun. The Dimera scenes are very good too tomorrow.
Stax has been featured heavily off and on throughout the year and Chan since its inception and both were ratings disasters. The Chan story has come to an end??? Stax isn't being forced on us anymore??? I'd have to disagree. As for Melanie, well I can say newbie overkill!

The only time that John, Marlena, Tony, Anna and Stefano were receiving good airtime was during this all too brief respite of the Olympic storyline and now that it's over it's readily apparent things are speedily headed south once again.

Having one main story with one or two smaller satellite stories is precisely how Days used to operate once upon a time. Unlike the current style which is to put everybody and their brother in a storyline and give them airtime. Devoting five minutes a week to most of the stories in meaningless and forgettable scenes that pointlessly drag on for eternity or fall by the wayside, entirely forgotten. This is supposed to keep people interested and tuning in??? That might work well for the short attention span generation but it doesn't work for me.

I agree that Higley is beyond lazy but as far as her being sensitive I would have to disagree and the writing reflects that. I don't really care about Higley as a person, I don't care to read about her daily life on her blog. Because it isn't about her it's about the job she was hired to do. If anything I think Higley has shown what a talentless hack she truly is. After being spoiled for that short period of time, when things were moving in the right direction with all the right players in the forefront, now that we're back to Higley's writing the differences are dramatic and not in a good way.

I didn't watch OLTL so I can't comment on her writing there but her first tenure at Days wasn't any better than it is now. I didn't like her writing then and I don't like it now. She certainly isn't head writer material and I wouldn't even want her on staff unless well supervised. I seriously doubt things will get much better with Tomlin in charge he can't make Higley be talented.

I thought the opposite, the show was a jumble. Far too many characters saying very little, much too confusing and disjointed and Stefano's abrupt change today saddened me.

I wouldn't think of Stefano and Victor as allies, they're both using each other to obtain something they want, but both men were always rivals in the past. Moving the story in that direction particularly at this juncture is ridiculous to say the least, Stefano has so much more to focus on right now. No need to add anymore layers to the story. I can't see the trees for the forest as it is now. Save it for another storyline, you can't included every single character in every story or feature them all weekly.

Phillip and Morgan were a waste long before now. Knowing that I won't have that newbie shoved down my throat any longer is a godsend.

Max and Melanie send me seaching for the mute button. The entire plot is a snore and the dialogue is insipid and there is far, far too much Melanie. Higley has no clue how to introduce a new character. I've always found Max a little boring since they brought him back, I could tolerate him as a supporting character much better than as a lead character.

Unlike you I'm not so sure this is the end of Chan, but one can only hope. But that type of uber ickiness is right up Higley's alley. No I didn't get that SC wanted out of the story and wanted more with LK, that's reading a lot into just a rather lackluster performance. Perhaps he's bored with the material he's being given or maybe he just isn't that great of an actor. Everyone in those scenes looked bored and just like they were going through the motions rather than putting forth any real effort.

I'm not a Chelsea fan and this autism story is going now where fast and has very little to with Abe and Lexie or even Theo really, just Higley trying to showcase her favorite cause and going about it all wrong.

Higley's work always leaves me with a disjointed feeling, now and before. She cannot write anything indepth, only discombobulated events that never tell the whole story, and lack any real emotion. So therefore the stories never suck you into and keep you there.

For a fleeting moment we saw all the right people featured center stage. Now we're back to throwing as many characters as possible into as many scenes as possible even if they don't belong or serve no real purpose in being there. It's distracting and so makes it a little harder to notice just how bad the writing really is. You really need a scorecard to keep up with all the characters in all the storylines that Higley tries to do all the same time.

One thing I've learned from all the backstage drama is who Higley likes to write for and who she doesn't like to write for and that differs radically from what the majority of the audience wants. Once again it isn't about Ms. Higley, who she is or what she wants, or what her personal causes are she was hired to write a good show that will bring in viewers and raise the ratings and she doesn't know how.
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Sep 4 2008, 09:10 AM
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I think this has been a very good week despite the disjointed feel and obvious influences stemming from the drama behind the scenes. I'm shocked some don't like it or find it boring as some of the stories many hated are finishing and the vets and Dimera stuff is center stage. I should say that RJ gives a great performance tomorrow and the Nicole/John stuff is fun. The Dimera scenes are very good too tomorrow.
I'm very happy Chan is over and the Hollingsworth saga has finally ended; my issue is the way those stories ended. We've been subjected to them for months and both were boring to me; however, I feel the viewers at least deserved a decent payoff, which we didn't get. Instead both stories just fizzled out, making me (and many others, I'm sure) feel it was all just a big, giant waste of time. What was the purpose of it all? I'm sure a lot of what's happened was the result of all the backstage goings on, but knowing that doesn't make me give the show a pass on this week. The only things I've enjoyed so far have been the Dimeras and Victor...everything else has been a mess. I hope Tomlin is able to give Higley a kick in the ass and get her writing some decent stuff, or else kick her out the door and into the street. This show has to get some direction and focus so I don't feel I'm wasting my time every day.
I see your point, especially since I was one of the few who actually liked the Paul/dock wars story. I probably should be more upset then I am but I didn't think the end was that bad, especially with how they tied in the Victor/Stefano angle and used Paul for Stefano to get leverage over John. That is a good example of taking what was seen by many as lackluster story and making it worth it in a way. I'm not saying give the show a pass because the behind the scene upheaval is their own fault. I'm just saying many should have expected this and now it should be understood why they did this with Renton on her way out. I guess since most didn't care for the Paul/dock stuff or Chan, I expected people to just be happy it's over and move on. I mean, maybe you were one that came to enjoy the story. I don't remember. if you did, then I can see your point but if you were one who wanted it over and done and hated it, then I guess I can't understand what difference it makes :laugh: .
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The problem is that I do expect it now. Anytime a new storyline starts up that doesn't immediately become the best storyline ever written, I totally expect it to be fiddled with numerous times to the point that it doesn't make any sense and then fizzle out with no actual payoff or fallout. And, I'm pretty sure that it would happen to the best storyline ever written as well. They didn't wrap this up because KR was out, they wrapped it up because somebody decide to do something different and KR was a consequence of that just like the storyline.

Unlike a lot of folks, I do make an attempt to follow every story. Sometimes I don't like them at all (Chan), sometimes I think I'm going to hate it and end up liking it a lot (EJ/Nicole, sorority storyline, Melanie/Max/Steph/Nick), but I try to give them all a chance. But it's getting really old to follow these storylines and get a little invested in them only to have them repeatedly changed at the drop of the hat and then just dropped altogether with no real wrapup or anything that gives me any reason to believe there was any point in that storyline.

I freely admit that there are times when a storyline is so bad, the show is better off wrapping it up and moving on. But that should not be the case with EVERY storyline on a show. And it shouldn't even be the case for every storyline that doesn't immediately catch fire. Not every storyline works for every fan and that's been the case since the inception of soaps. So, commit to them and let them play out. Because the people that don't like them aren't watching them anyway and by ending them badly, you're just alienating the folks who have made the attempt to like them.
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Can we please kill off Stephanie/Max/Melanie/Nick/Chelsea/Daniel.

They have been SOOO overkill for the last 6 months I just want to punch someone!
I can see how Stax have been and Chan to an extent but earlier in the year the young cast was hardly featured and Chan and Stax have been cut down on alot until recently. Chan was only on alot last week because their story came to an end. As for Stax, they aren't really being forced on us anymore. Nick has barely been on and Melanie is new so I can't say that is overkill.

John/Marlena/Tony/Anna/Stefano are getting good airtime right now. Sure, it's different now because other stories are being featured too unlike during the Olympics where it was only one story but I see that as a good thing. Having only one or two stories gets old quick.

Before talking about today's show, I kind of want to go back to the points being made earlier about Higley. I think Higley basically is lazy and far too sensitive. She clearly wants to be catered too and if one thing goes wrong, things veer off course. I didn't get that feeling in her last stint because, more or less, I think she was nothing but a seat-filler. I'm convinced they knew JER was going to be forced on the show before she even penned her first show. I think Higley can write. She's showed that. She has alot of years of experience at Days and has penned some good stuff. Her first few months at OLTL were great. She even wrote some good story climaxes especially to the Daniel Colson stuff and, despite it being a ripoff of Sami's execution, she was behind Todd's execution story which was great. During her first stint at Days, she wrote a good ending to Sami/Brandon/Lexie and set up Lumi very well. She can do it. I think she just isn't as passionate as she should be. I think she's still used to just being a writer but not a head writer. As I said, it seems like she's too temperamental and finicky for the position. I also think that Tomlin bringing some organization to the writing team will help. Since April, it's been more or less a free for all but now they will each have defined roles. Higley's second stint has suffered from bad breakdowns and pacing at times. That should help. I'm not saying she is the best for the job but I think the situation will get better and one thing about her is that her stories never lacked direction like they have this stint. I blame that on backstage shit. Her stories aren't always good or executed right but they never lack direction like they have. I still think she will be out though soon.

Now, about today, with the exception of Lucas and Chloe popping in and out (it was story movement in a way but felt out of place), I felt the show had more cohesion today. I did think it was funny how Stefano dealt with them and I enjoyed his continued scenes with Tony and EJ too. Loving this power struggle. Nice touch too having Stefano notice the painting John put up.

Stefano/Victor was great to see. I just love them being allies and love how they tied it to the Paul story. It leaves a lasting ramification in that Victor owes Stefano. I can see some potential down the road here where one of them double-crosses the other. They seem to have the type of relationship where they have both targeted each other and each other's loved ones but they still manage to do business. I think it's more or less they are to not target each other's loved ones right now and things will be civil, which is an agreement that can implode at any moment. I did like how Stefano pulled the strings and let Victor know what was going on. It definitely filled some things in and Stefano helping John out was clever. John is sort of under his thumb again and I like how it was used to prevent John from going after Stefano. Nice ending too with the John/Philip stuff.

The cop shop stuff was ok. Philip/Morgan feels like a waste now after the latest news.

Max/Melanie was very enjoyable. I hope they don't let her go. She's far too talented and she's made Max interesting to me. I find the character interesting. Loved the little Nick appearance.

I did enjoy the Chan scenes today knowing it was the end and RM did seem to wake up today but, as someone else mentioned, SC was not into it at all. You do get the feeling he wanted out of the story and wanted more with LK while RM wants Chan. Melvin was better today and I'm glad it's over. The Chelsea/Theo moment was cute. I like her working at the hospital in this role. I guess we know who Marc was in the casting call. He's Theo's counselor and I can see how he would know Brandon (as was mentioned in the casting call in the scene with Nicole) as Brandon was a pediatric counselor. Nice seeing Lexie too. Too bad whatever she had to do involving her father never made it onscreen. I watched tomorrow's show and it's the next day and Lexie is with Theo, Abe, Steve, and Kayla and Stefano is in scenes with Tony and EJ again. I guess that is yet another consequence of the behind the scenes shit.

I think this has been a very good week despite the disjointed feel and obvious influences stemming from the drama behind the scenes. I'm shocked some don't like it or find it boring as some of the stories many hated are finishing and the vets and Dimera stuff is center stage. I should say that RJ gives a great performance tomorrow and the Nicole/John stuff is fun. The Dimera scenes are very good too tomorrow.
Stax has been featured heavily off and on throughout the year and Chan since its inception and both were ratings disasters. The Chan story has come to an end??? Stax isn't being forced on us anymore??? I'd have to disagree. As for Melanie, well I can say newbie overkill!

The only time that John, Marlena, Tony, Anna and Stefano were receiving good airtime was during this all too brief respite of the Olympic storyline and now that it's over it's readily apparent things are speedily headed south once again.

Having one main story with one or two smaller satellite stories is precisely how Days used to operate once upon a time. Unlike the current style which is to put everybody and their brother in a storyline and give them airtime. Devoting five minutes a week to most of the stories in meaningless and forgettable scenes that pointlessly drag on for eternity or fall by the wayside, entirely forgotten. This is supposed to keep people interested and tuning in??? That might work well for the short attention span generation but it doesn't work for me.

I agree that Higley is beyond lazy but as far as her being sensitive I would have to disagree and the writing reflects that. I don't really care about Higley as a person, I don't care to read about her daily life on her blog. Because it isn't about her it's about the job she was hired to do. If anything I think Higley has shown what a talentless hack she truly is. After being spoiled for that short period of time, when things were moving in the right direction with all the right players in the forefront, now that we're back to Higley's writing the differences are dramatic and not in a good way.

I didn't watch OLTL so I can't comment on her writing there but her first tenure at Days wasn't any better than it is now. I didn't like her writing then and I don't like it now. She certainly isn't head writer material and I wouldn't even want her on staff unless well supervised. I seriously doubt things will get much better with Tomlin in charge he can't make Higley be talented.

I thought the opposite, the show was a jumble. Far too many characters saying very little, much too confusing and disjointed and Stefano's abrupt change today saddened me.

I wouldn't think of Stefano and Victor as allies, they're both using each other to obtain something they want, but both men were always rivals in the past. Moving the story in that direction particularly at this juncture is ridiculous to say the least, Stefano has so much more to focus on right now. No need to add anymore layers to the story. I can't see the trees for the forest as it is now. Save it for another storyline, you can't included every single character in every story or feature them all weekly.

Phillip and Morgan were a waste long before now. Knowing that I won't have that newbie shoved down my throat any longer is a godsend.

Max and Melanie send me seaching for the mute button. The entire plot is a snore and the dialogue is insipid and there is far, far too much Melanie. Higley has no clue how to introduce a new character. I've always found Max a little boring since they brought him back, I could tolerate him as a supporting character much better than as a lead character.

Unlike you I'm not so sure this is the end of Chan, but one can only hope. But that type of uber ickiness is right up Higley's alley. No I didn't get that SC wanted out of the story and wanted more with LK, that's reading a lot into just a rather lackluster performance. Perhaps he's bored with the material he's being given or maybe he just isn't that great of an actor. Everyone in those scenes looked bored and just like they were going through the motions rather than putting forth any real effort.

I'm not a Chelsea fan and this autism story is going now where fast and has very little to with Abe and Lexie or even Theo really, just Higley trying to showcase her favorite cause and going about it all wrong.

Higley's work always leaves me with a disjointed feeling, now and before. She cannot write anything indepth, only discombobulated events that never tell the whole story, and lack any real emotion. So therefore the stories never suck you into and keep you there.

For a fleeting moment we saw all the right people featured center stage. Now we're back to throwing as many characters as possible into as many scenes as possible even if they don't belong or serve no real purpose in being there. It's distracting and so makes it a little harder to notice just how bad the writing really is. You really need a scorecard to keep up with all the characters in all the storylines that Higley tries to do all the same time.

One thing I've learned from all the backstage drama is who Higley likes to write for and who she doesn't like to write for and that differs radically from what the majority of the audience wants. Once again it isn't about Ms. Higley, who she is or what she wants, or what her personal causes are she was hired to write a good show that will bring in viewers and raise the ratings and she doesn't know how.
Wow...do we differ alot.

Stax was being forced on us earlier this year for sure but now? July and August were hardly Stax or Chan dominated. Hell, we never even saw Chan do anything until they broke up last week. Surely, the Stax/Trent/Melanie stuff will be on more now because the story is ending but after an August full of vets, I just can't see how anyone can say looking at the past two months that Stax/Chan/Nick/Melanie were forced on people. Not in those two months.

In this day and age, you can't just have one story. Days did that last year with the Vendetta and Touch the Sky and it crashed and burned. What happens if you have one story and it bombs? There is nothing to keep people watching. Even a good story won't be liked by someone so if some don't like that one story, you lose them. You can have several stories and still make it work. In fact, most fans enjoy having it work like that because it provides something for everyone. Unless you only watch for one or two people or a couple, I can't see how anyone can say not having multiple stories going on is a good idea. Every soap has been doing that for decades, except PC when it went to the arc format. I don't know what Days your talking about but I've been watching since the early 80's and back then it still had multiple stories sharing the spotlight.

I know many disagree on the fact that Higley can write but I do think if people looked back, they can see that. I'm not saying I want her on Days and I still doubt the autism stuff was her idea. I think that was all NBC and Corday. I don't care how terrible a writer is. If your writing someone that is very personal, you give it more focus and more attention and that isn't happening. Dena did not seem like someone who was inspired to write the story. She came off forced. You can always tell when someone is into what they are doing and it was clear that Dena was not the one who wanted the story. If she wanted it, she would be more into it. Just trying to be fair.

People also don't understand it can't be about who you want on everyday. You have to think about the big picture and also about others. everyone has their favorites and why should their wants be slighted just so some can get what they want? Alot of today's fans are selfish. They are even as bad as TPTB who are accused of forcing their own agendas. The fans that run around pushing for what they want without even thinking about those who have other ideas of what they want are just as bad as the producers and writers who force things on fans. It's the same thing. Fans try to force the show's hand and the show forces things on the fans. It's a shame because not only has the quality of each soap gone downhill but, in some ways (and I'm not saying every fan is like this), the quality of the fan has gone downhill too. It's all about "Me" or "I" and not enough about what is good for the show and it's fans as a WHOLE.

it's ok though. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree because you obviously don't like the show at all right now :laugh:


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The problem is that I do expect it now. Anytime a new storyline starts up that doesn't immediately become the best storyline ever written, I totally expect it to be fiddled with numerous times to the point that it doesn't make any sense and then fizzle out with no actual payoff or fallout. And, I'm pretty sure that it would happen to the best storyline ever written as well. They didn't wrap this up because KR was out, they wrapped it up because somebody decide to do something different and KR was a consequence of that just like the storyline.

Unlike a lot of folks, I do make an attempt to follow every story. Sometimes I don't like them at all (Chan), sometimes I think I'm going to hate it and end up liking it a lot (EJ/Nicole, sorority storyline, Melanie/Max/Steph/Nick), but I try to give them all a chance. But it's getting really old to follow these storylines and get a little invested in them only to have them repeatedly changed at the drop of the hat and then just dropped altogether with no real wrapup or anything that gives me any reason to believe there was any point in that storyline.

I freely admit that there are times when a storyline is so bad, the show is better off wrapping it up and moving on. But that should not be the case with EVERY storyline on a show. And it shouldn't even be the case for every storyline that doesn't immediately catch fire. Not every storyline works for every fan and that's been the case since the inception of soaps. So, commit to them and let them play out. Because the people that don't like them aren't watching them anyway and by ending them badly, you're just alienating the folks who have made the attempt to like them.
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I too try to follow every storyline (though I admit Chan was something I hated from the onset). Even stories I don't care for like Stax can turn interesting (Ford murder, France). Heck, John's return shocked me into enjoying it most of the time though now I"m ready for it to get resolved (but not dropped).

I just wish for once when starting a new story, they commit to it and allow it to move forward as scheduled, at least until a milestone happens further down so they can then reanalyze and decide if it's working.
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